Corbyn did NOT support brexit. He campaigned harder than most politicians for staying in the EU. But he wasn't a giddy EU-idolate. He recognised the innate power structures of the EU favouring wealth and corporations.
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Did he buggery.
jul 24, 2025, 12:03 pm • 0 0 • view
Harder? I really don’t think so. At best lukewarm. His heart was definitely not in it
jul 24, 2025, 11:16 am • 2 0 • view
He was an old Bennite. So it's not surprising. Plus Cameron's exploitation of Labour in the Scottish referendum was very recent.
jul 24, 2025, 12:52 pm • 0 0 • view
Well he clearly undermined the Remain campaign. Refusing to do an event with previous Labour leaders is the one that sticks in my head. He spent a lot of time doing events to the converted in the evenings as well, after the news agenda was already set for the day.
jul 24, 2025, 10:07 am • 12 0 • view
Objectively he campaigned harder with more meetings and speeches than any of the other party leaders. That hard fact I consider more prudent than your gossiping and interpretations based on 1 event. The previous leaders hated him and meant to grandstand and blindside Corbyn on policies. Why join?
jul 24, 2025, 10:20 am • 7 0 • view
Objectively bollocks. He was lukewarm throughout, and literally went on his holidays halfway through. Then he couldn't accept the result quickly enough.
jul 24, 2025, 10:35 am • 2 0 • view
Corbyn was a fence sitter during brexit. He always saw the EU as a capitalism enterprise.
jul 24, 2025, 11:12 am • 1 0 • view
Nah, it is your interpretation. Because MSM spread it and you swallowed it. I lived through that period, Corbyn was clear. For EU, but the EU has its flaws. As I said in another post: Austerity is the root cause of Brexit. Not Corbyn. He just handled it differently than you would handle it.
jul 24, 2025, 10:56 am • 0 0 • view
That's right, whereas you lived through that period I am only eight years old and reliant on "MSM" for my "interpretation". Definitely wasn't a middle-aged, UK-resident EU national for whom this mattered and matters a great deal. Presumptuous arsehole.
jul 24, 2025, 12:21 pm • 2 0 • view
Yep, this is how I remember the UK. The entire political and media establishment all pointing fingers at Corbyn and misrepresenting his policies. Whilst not going after the real Brexit culprits. I may be an arsehole but I do know that Britain is a shithole because britains do not live in reality.
jul 24, 2025, 12:38 pm • 0 0 • view
...and I am free to disagree with the way Corbyn handled it. He made a mess, as did the entire political establishment for a decade. As for the MSM, they were pretty much in favour of leaving the EU, their lies were mainly about the supposed joys of leaving the EU with no negative consequences.
jul 24, 2025, 11:02 am • 1 0 • view
It's not one event, there's whole chapters on it in the Shipman book. I just gave an example that stuck in my mind. Cameron quite clearly got more eyeballs. I remember the news coverage basically showing Tory Vs Tory for chunks of the campaign.
jul 24, 2025, 11:02 am • 3 0 • view
ah well if murdoch hack tim shitman said it....
jul 24, 2025, 11:26 am • 0 0 • view
Is this the Cameron who caused Brexit by setting up the vote? And there is the Sun and Daily Mail who relentlessly lied for decades against the EU. And Farage who's pet project it was. And Cambridge Analytica who allowed voter manipulation. Yet you blame Corbyn.....
jul 24, 2025, 1:03 pm • 1 0 • view
You compared him to other party leaders. Their character is not relevant to your "fact". There's plenty of blame for Brexit to go round. Corbyn certainly gets some. The worst possible Labour leader to have in charge during the Brexit years.
jul 24, 2025, 1:06 pm • 3 0 • view
You are not talking facts but interpretation. I read a lot about why Corbyn did what he did and the Labour circumstances. Corbyn made sense to me. Delicately supporting EU but coaxing a democratic proces. But the PLP were stupid and sabotaged it and the rest is history. And a bancrupt UK.
jul 24, 2025, 1:32 pm • 1 0 • view
Corbyn wasn't really interested in Brexit. He went on holiday, he let others drive, you make it sound like he had big plans & was an architect of stuff, he's just into his pet things and the EU wasn't one. He was making jam down the allotment. (You used the word fact, I was just referring to that)
jul 24, 2025, 2:57 pm • 1 0 • view
That is your interpretation based on 1 holiday and a lot of spin. I was amazed at the time of other available data and stories giving a much clearer picture of Corbyn's plans but the media were only obsessed with spin and lies. That spin got through to you, not the rest.
jul 24, 2025, 3:15 pm • 1 0 • view
🥴 - "The media". It's not interpretation, I don't think anyone's ever argued against much of what was documented in detail in the Shipman book. It's who Corbyn is, more bothered about Cuba than the EU. It's been great reliving the campaign with you and have a great evening.
jul 24, 2025, 4:05 pm • 0 0 • view
Never trust one book. Good evening too.
jul 24, 2025, 4:10 pm • 0 0 • view
Yep. When interviewed, he kept sitting on the fence over Brexit, refusing to commit either way. While he was/is an idealist and activist - valuable in any party - he wasn't a leader.
jul 24, 2025, 11:38 am • 0 0 • view
Gossiping? I acknowledge that Corbyn campaigned harder than the guy who was supposed to have done, Alan Johnson if I remember right, but his decision to immediately campaign to trigger Article 50 is not 'gossip', it had a profound, negative effect. He lost a lot of support that day.
jul 24, 2025, 10:33 am • 0 0 • view
Gossiping because you cannot look into Corbyn's head for his intentions. Corbyn was far ahead of the pack and had a lot of feelers uit with counterparts in the EU for a soft Btexit. He wanted speed to minimize damage. AGAIN he was proved right. Alas, the establishment fcuked him/UK over with lies.
jul 24, 2025, 10:40 am • 0 0 • view
I wasn't discussing Corbyn's intentions, I was noting what he did & why I was upset with that decision he made. You don't agree & that is fine, but I don't try to undermine any argument you make by calling it 'gossiping', I just don't agree with you.
jul 24, 2025, 10:48 am • 1 0 • view
Somehow nobody observed this campaigning
jul 24, 2025, 3:02 pm • 1 0 • view
It wasn't shown to you. A different picture was spun to you. That is UK establishment for you.
jul 24, 2025, 3:17 pm • 1 0 • view
He campaigned in private. Very effective strategy
jul 24, 2025, 3:50 pm • 1 0 • view
Stop lying to yourself, is my advice
jul 24, 2025, 3:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Rich of you to believe yourself to be in a position to offer unsolicited advice
jul 24, 2025, 3:56 pm • 0 0 • view
I am rich. And I am giving you unsolicited advice. Because your repeated statement that Corbyn campaigned in private is objectively false.
jul 24, 2025, 3:59 pm • 0 0 • view
You're a nobody without a clear grasp on reality.
jul 24, 2025, 4:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Hihi. I have predicted exactly current fcuked up outcome for the UK and this shitty Labour government and the march of Reform after Corbyn's policies got rejected by the establishment ('Centrists', Tory, MSM). Because I grasp how fcuked up UK politics is. You clearly not. Good luck in Poverty UK.
jul 24, 2025, 4:08 pm • 1 0 • view
Yeah this is total bollocks. He was overwhelmingly luke warm. It was his usual warm equivocal piss. He went on holidays during the run up ffs. “I give the EU seven out of ten” Unbearable toss pot.
jul 24, 2025, 1:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Well, I call bollocks on you, you uninformed git. Do read for a change, something other than Harry Potter. You might actually learn how dirty, stupid and shortsighted UK politics and media is. 7 out of 10 for EU is entirely correct. I give my job less and still would advocate to stay. Worse outside
jul 24, 2025, 1:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Wow. Now you are not being 'direct', you are being rude. All the people in the UK are not as ill informed as you suppose & Corbyn is not the shining knight you pretend he is. This isn't Twitter/X, stop shouting at people as if it is please.
jul 24, 2025, 7:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Did you read the post I responded to?
jul 24, 2025, 7:09 pm • 0 0 • view
I read the entire thread as it heated up for no apparent reason. You support Corbyn, oppose 'centrists' & have no time for anyone that doesn't agree with you rather than accepting they just have a different POV & maybe a different experience. Reminds me of Brexit campaigners back in the day.
jul 24, 2025, 7:19 pm • 1 0 • view
I got no time for smears. And if one insults me, quid pro quo. Thats it. Usually if you support Corbyn policies, the snears come out instantly. It got me pretty cynical about centrists. Not from you, and I respect that.
jul 24, 2025, 7:26 pm • 0 0 • view
One of the huge problems right now is that people that would largely agree with each other are being encouraged to fight with each other instead. The labels come out, the insults fly, everything is seen as a simplistic yes/no issue. Life is not like that as the whole brexit debate so clearly shows
jul 24, 2025, 7:29 pm • 0 0 • view
Agreed
jul 24, 2025, 7:40 pm • 1 0 • view
Not this again. As soon as the 52/48 result came in he immediately asked for Article 50 to be triggered. No question of challenging the notion that such a close run result demanded that we leave the EU, no protections for our EU citizenship & rights or for EU citizens living in the UK. Nothing.
jul 24, 2025, 10:02 am • 7 0 • view
He is a democrat and accepted this democratic result. I applaud him for it. He is also a realist knowing it would tear the country apart trying to overturn this result. And again, he was proven right: now even Keith accepted Brexit after a lot of splutter, confusion and hapless virtue signalling.
jul 24, 2025, 10:11 am • 2 0 • view
The result was far too close to demand the UK leave the EU & that assessment has since proven to be correct. It should have been a trigger to analyse what was going wrong & work out a plan to put it right. Instead we got a hugely divisive, failed Brexit that compounded the problems, not cured any.
jul 24, 2025, 10:30 am • 0 0 • view
So if the Tories win by 1 vote, you go into the same undemocratic stance? There are 2 principal causes for Brexit: - David 'pigshead' Cameron for calling it. - MSM for (not challenging) lies about the EU. And the root cause for Brexit is 40y of austerity politics. Don't blame Corbyn for it.
jul 24, 2025, 10:48 am • 0 0 • view
This was an advisory referendum, not a general election. I don't blame Corbyn for Brexit, I blame him for the part he played in it. Of course the primary blame goes to the successive Tory governments & their client press. Why are you being so aggressive in the way you argue your case? No need.
jul 24, 2025, 10:54 am • 0 0 • view
I am Dutch, we are just very direct. No offense meant. I am just tired of all the lies spread about Corbyn. (I used to live in the UK)
jul 24, 2025, 10:59 am • 0 0 • view
I am not telling lies about what Corbyn did.
jul 24, 2025, 11:00 am • 0 0 • view
Corbyn had little to no say in the course of Brexit. The path was set by vested Tory interests and their hangers-on the media. Corbyn never had a majority. I understand you do not like it. I understand technically the brexit vote could have been ignored. But it would be fundamentally undemocratic
jul 24, 2025, 11:10 am • 0 0 • view
Corbyn had a part to play and he fluffed it, losing a lot of Labour support in the process. The referendum was advisory, not binding & too close to a 50/50 split, the resulting brexit is certainly undemocratic which is partly why it has failed.
jul 24, 2025, 11:15 am • 0 0 • view
I lived in the UK from 1993 till 2005. It was a lovely country. Warm, funny, vibrant, rich, free. It has turned into a shithole, getting worse everytime I visit. That is not Corbyn's fault. It sits WAY deeper. It is a failing 'Centrist' clique who loathes ordinary people and squanders its wealth.
jul 24, 2025, 1:21 pm • 0 0 • view
But that democratic process got sabotaged by Labour 'Centrist' who do not give a jot about democracy. They used Corbyn's tightrope dance on eggshells as a means to undermine him and democracy. And they succeeded. To the detriment of the UK.
jul 24, 2025, 1:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Corbyn had a very difficult part to play because Labour voters were badly split over Brexit: 1/3 for, 2/3 against. But loosing Labour brexiteers would loose 2/3 of Labour seats in d house because of where the brexiteers resided. So Corbyn wanted a democratic process shape Labour's official policies
jul 24, 2025, 1:11 pm • 0 0 • view
There's nothing democratic about removing citizenship & rights from millions of people I direct opposition to their stated wishes. That decision has caused a deep wound across the UK that is showing no signs of healing.
jul 24, 2025, 10:31 am • 0 0 • view
That exactly IS democracy. A majority rules, a minority licks their wounds.
jul 24, 2025, 10:50 am • 1 0 • view
Great. You’re a Corbynite. Enjoy.
jul 24, 2025, 1:37 pm • 0 0 • view
He had an opportunity to question why the Tory government launched in, I the way they did, and instead he jumped right I with them. I'll never forgive him for that.
jul 24, 2025, 10:03 am • 5 0 • view
Tbf I don't think a Right - wing Labour leader would have behaved any differently.
jul 24, 2025, 10:05 am • 1 0 • view