We talking about YouTube or a backflip? Because TBH sometimes doing a backflip is more useful than YouTube

The go-to site for accurate accounts of the Soviet Union in WW2 or the Japanese invasion of Manchuria. Or the Korean War. The Disney versions don't cut it. My y-t suggested sites list consists entirely of links to radical political current affairs or pol philosophy. Not scary at all.

Or, indeed, maths: m.youtube.com/@misterwootube

So it should add it.

Also... I think we can all agree YouTube has played a huge part in radicalising young people, actively peddling the likes of Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson to literal children...and we might also talk about how Australia should be boycotting the tech oligarchs who openly support US fascism.

I get that it can be useful, but honestly I think schools (especially primary) would be better off without YouTube, for various reasons. I worked at schools as an electrician for a while and witnessed a kindy class watching a YT video on how to count to 100. Surely teachers can manage this?

I helped out at schools in the IT department and saw a lot of teaching methods that I didn't understand because I lacked both the context and the years of training that the teachers had. What I didn't have was an opinion on what those professionals should or should not do.

Wow, people really love jumping on this anecdote while completely ignoring the main reason I don't think YouTube should be in schools. Refer to all my other messages in this thread for more info. All these YouTube shills acting like I need to be an expert to oppose YouTube. Pretty fucking silly.

I do get what you're saying, but in that case it should be an individual choice for the school/teacher. A blanket ban is going to harm those that use it responsibly, saying as someone in a uni course with plenty of useful demonstrations for units on YouTube.

Fair point, although I don't think the ban would affect uni students? It makes most sense to me if they just keep it out of primary school.

..or rather, that would be a priority in my opinion, but really, YouTube and Google both deserve corporate death penalty at this point.

No denying there.

How would an electrician listening in to one lesson know anything about the teacher’s planning? Please give teachers the professional credit they deserve.

It's just one example of something I can't imagine being necessary under ANY conditions, but please enlighten me if you have examples. My second comment is more to the point why I think YouTube should be boycotted and especially not used in schools.

I taught both my grandchildren how to count using Sesame Street videos. Yes teachers can manage it but what's wrong with making learning fun?

How about teaching kids that learning, and life in general, can be fun without staring at a screen?

That's what the matches and the bunsen burners are for.

... used and abused

I love all the responses on here who assume the way YouTube works is the *only* way YouTube can work. They've built it this way to make the most money. Governments are allowed to tell them to do it differently. And I promise you don't have to worry about them, they'll still make money.

Yes. Good. Maybe this will bring Alphabet to the table to talk about the actual problem - YouTube Shorts.

Be reasonable Greg, USA managed to ban alcohol from its shore in the 1920s & look at the magnificent results in mental stability. Say after me 'Prohibition works' fine. I wonder if education, close society & experimentation would work? I heard that there is a culture on earth 60,000 years old!

Banning dangerous corrupting propaganda from… Hugh White, Dawkins, the Pope etc .. great idea.. not !

Richard Dawkins is a transphobe and a bit of a tit. But I like the pope 'cause the pope smokes dope!

Mediate while breathing in that Vatican white smoke.

As a teacher, I used it often for historical information. Even embedded clips into ibooks. Adding questions for students to answer. Clips are good as not as long and focus on a particular point. Great for research tasks. Although my 7 year grandson watches a lot of rubbish on it. It has changed.

I never cease to be amazed how a predominantly Gen X government, so people for whom computers have been an everyday thing for at least half their lives, and "online" the same for not much less, are more utterly shit at tech policy than my Silent Generation parents would be.

I find it difficult to believe that Australian politicians were born.

By Julie Inman Grant's reasoning any site with a comments section should be subject to the social media ban and thus require every user to log in to view it. She is advocating an Internet Licence that will effectively force sites to profile and track Australian users. It is insanely unsafe.

If I can't trust social media not to scrape my posts/photos for AI, I sure as hell can't trust the tech chuds with my government ID This isn't a can of worms it's a bloody great big hole full of them

Sadly there is a great deal of unfactual stuff on YouTube

No youtube, but chatGPT is the future

Step one: have a viable, usable and stable method of verifying age Step two: use the viable method to enact a chosen policy direction. Performing step two first is embarrassing to those of us with minds who have to watch this fustercluck being discussed as if it can work.

The eventual climb down from all of this is going to be excruciating to watch. Or maybe they'll just go the GWB "mission accomplished" approach of declaring victory in the face of all the evidence

Exactly what I said! Schools use YouTube for student learning so how’s that going to work?

Maybe the teachers can teach like they did before YouTube.

Yes, and let's get rid of calculators and bring back the abacus while we are at it.

Yeah because calculators have algorithms to influence teens. Fucking moron.

Maybe with the teacher logging in... like happens now...

I guess it depends on what the law says but students also learn through self directed learning accessing resource links and outside learning programs. Not everything is done via the in school class room.

They might actually have to get their parents involved.

So this might be the end of "flipped learning" where students watch the relevant content at home and then discuss it in class?

Yes self directed learning that doesn’t always occur in class. External program providers also use YouTube. There’s so much available to teachers to share with their students on that platform. I also understand the other perspective of the rabbit holes on YouTube & the negative impacts it can have.

Greg Click-View is moderated and used by safety conscious educators. There needs to be a moderation tool between you-tube and children. We can do better than giving children unfettered access to you-tube where they can watch the likes of Andrew Tate

Andrew Tate is a stain on society. My cousin left a school due to his ilk's influence. About 1/3 of the boys in every class wouldn't listen to her, treated the girls like objects and used discourse directly stolen from him. But I fear they'll still access him if YouTube is banned.

It's Tate and his ilk who are the problem. Where are the targeted take downs on them? The fines for ISP and search engines and VPNs that allow his content? Where is the funding for counter narratives? Remove YouTube and you slash access to Eddie Woo too: m.youtube.com/@misterwootube

Hence the need for an app between you-tube and children. This can be done and could be run by state government entities sifting through you tube to allow selected content from you tube on to its platform.

With the "flipped learning" paradigm, almost all watching of content is done at home rather than in the class. Take down YouTube for kids who aren't able to avoid the take down and government removes a solid source of material for teachers.

Also www.crikey.com.au/2025/06/23/e...

This has all the hallmarks of Stephen Conroy's Great Firewall. They got a sweeping majority, now just let it die a quiet death.

Remember #nocleanfeed ? The idiocy is constant.

they have no clue what they’re doing and it’s so fucking obvious

They're forcing large multinational corporations to consider their business model in Australia. Exactly what they should be doing.

It’s about time we dropped this ridiculous ‘Sleeping Beauty’ idea of hiding the spindles to avert danger. What we need is education of our young- in critical thinking, in forming healthy relationships and understanding how the world works.

Or maybe we could do both.

So long as the spindle hiding is accurate and appropriate and not rushed through to meet a deadline.

Nothing is forever. Can't we just unhide them if we make a mistake in the deadline rush?

Yes once something is on the Internet it is forever. So mistakes made now will effect generations to come.

In my experience, using facial recognition technology to discriminate on specific parameters is never walked back, and can be used in other situations that the general population isn’t quite so keen on.

Good point. But to be fair that experience is not very long. We are only in the paddling pool of technology change. Most of us were alive before the internet was invented!

Get it right, first.

Or we could set a deadline and just get it done. We have lost a generation already. Why lose more kids?

Can't wait to submit my fucking ID to access like half the fucking internet

vpn, always be seen online as in a different country, and change location in social media platform settings. Then just wait for the governments of the world to ban vpn's...

If Labor backflip, they would end up in the same position, facing the same way.

bsky.app/profile/vale...

So, the villain is the government which is responding (accurately) to community concerns. Not the profit-driven social media platforms flouting their social licence? As I’ve been saying for a decade or more, it’s time the clever people who created the Internet fixed its fixable flaws.

Teachers can still access it.

How is YouTube social media?

I have a 6yo who is high needs ASD and mostly non verbal. YouTube has been an extremely important learning tool for her.

Cocomelon stocks plummet

Rewrite for the 1960s: We're banning encyclopedias.

and overhead projectors.

Death to the Gestetner stencil!

No electricity for the projector on the trolly table!

I hear many negative remarks about YouTube’s monetisation platform from independent creators. The platform provides such an incredibly broad & unique education experience across so many topics from academics to passionate & evidence based reports. This further undermines independent journalism.

The only harmful content I've seen on YouTube are ads for gambling and Fox News.

You're algorithm has been very kind to you then...

Again ... my kids use my Google/YT login, so my algorithm is looking at quite a diverse range of content. My kids have/use ChatGPT for school. They can produce fake content within seconds that is much worse than YouTube. This sounds like a beef between the Aust Govt and YT.

I agree, I think it is the Government opening negotitions with YouTube. Which is warrented because they have a big business and some of what they serve up is unsuitable for kids. Eg YouTube Shorts is built as their TikTok. Maybe they start there.

You have only scratched the service then.

I'm on it virtually all day. What should I look out for? Sure you can search for content, much in the way that AI can be used to generate content that is harmful within moments. What is it about YouTube that's so precarious? Because as far as I care, the 2 things I quoted are the worst for kids.

I have had to take devices off the children I have at work because of the sexual nature and filthy derogative language they have stumbled upon on youtube. Same when my son would watch the youtubers who live stream gaming. Some of it suggested, some of it just blatant offensive. Kids gravitate to it.

I'm probably 'lucky' that my kids look away from the boofheads who spread dangerous information etc. But there are also podcasters doing the same thing. I won't name them, you know who they are. Banning the platform isn't the answer. Making the tech company's accountable is.

I agree the companies should do more, but no other country is holding them to account. The next step would be to ban them from here, but no one wants that. Kids can access Youtube for education through teachers and their parents. People act like we have never survived without it, just hyperbole.

And the success rate of banning will be negligible as the current technologically advanced youth from the age of five upwards will circumvent all hurdles put in their way......... simples! We need to educate students on the use of platforms, and hold the platforms to account for what they publish.

Ha ha ha, great joke there, mate

Thankfully the kids are still free to watch all the gambling ads.

Gotta hook them young

It's just a bit of fun. A flutter! Funny how our kids could be so badly affected by YouTube videos because they might see Andrew Tate among the 14.8 billion videos on there. But they don't need protection from the insidious normalisation of gambling by the predatory, destructive gambling lobby.

It's good to see Albo finally standing-up and showing some spine for the big issues.

War on guitar lessons?

Certainly a war on learning.

There’s a kids version too.

A social media ban will undermine the education of children for a world where we need to get much better at adapting and adopting new technology.

I only wish I had YouTube as a kid ! The likely main effect on the young people in my circle of banning their YouTube will be a permanent and long-lasting disrespect for government and those that support it.

There are lots of way to get around the bans. It can't work.

Technology has issues but banning has been tried many times it doesn't work. Educating kids to crically question as we did for newspapers and TV when they when accused of polluting young minds. Schools can only do so much others have responsibility such as the tech companies, parents and community.

OMG, YouTube!!! My kids are out of school now but, honestly, it was in use all the way through school and was often better (integrated graphics!) than the teacher. We gave Eddie Woo a (well deserved) award for this: m.youtube.com/@misterwootube

Inman Grant is just unfit for that role. She's never adjusted to the reality that being a government regulator of technology is different from being a tech executive in cyber safety where you only have to implement things within one company and have senior executives who can ditch any bad ideas.

Yeah, it's strange. Of course, the teacher could stream to the class with smart boards, but that depends on every room having them.

And every teacher knowing how to use them. And for them to be in working order.

They certainly do in science labs.

You Tube is useful for demonstrating science experiments without the kids blowing themselves up.

But that takes the fun out of playing with bunser burners 😁

Can’t chuck a bit of sodium down the sink if it’s on YouTube!

magnesium flare on the big screen! :)

Better in the school science lab 😄

Oh they still do that stuff.

The reasoning is wild

I wonder if the Australian government has considered the impact that this will have on international tourism? I doubt international visitors will appreciate not having access to social media while they are in Australia, unless they provide ID. Does the Australian government have a plan for this?

Curious how many adults have joined the dots, and realised that they will have to provide ID to social media companies to continue using them? I don't see how else this can work? Imagine providing ID to Mark Zuckerberg, and Elon Musk How wonderful.

I won't even use my ID to verify my LinkedIn - they want my Passport FFS (For anybody familiar with LinkedIn no I won't be using my work email as I'm there for my career as an author, which is separate to where I work)

Instagram once banned me and 'forced' me to send in an ID photo. I sent them a stupid photo of stupid Trump, and they accepted it. Your mileage may vary with this method...

I'm ambivalent to LinkedIn anyway, but it's my secondary after Bluesky because I quit Meta when they decided to allow open slather on queer people (including me) and I wasn't hanging around for that shit Maybe when I can afford to do emails from WordPress and use that instead

I only keep Instagram so I can add a couple of motivational comments every day. My motivation is politicians being arseholes.

FfS YouTube is a blessing for teachers

You don't need an account to watch You Tube videos in a browser and the algorithm will still build you a toxic feed.

Youth are heavily skewed liberal. How do they get this way? Education, social media which refutes the old school mainstream bullshit. Isolation is how abusers work.

Won't teachers login using their own or a school account, if Youtube is used in the classroom?

FYI I know senior US tech ppl; their kids not allowed near YT. They insist on kids' shows being played through Disney+ or whatever other chosen platform because some really awful crap gets through on YouTube and sometimes it's embedded as quick flashes in kids' shows. Not worth the risk.