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Joel @storywonker.bsky.social

It is very funny that in casual parlance Petrarch's own time is commonly considered part of the Dark Ages

aug 27, 2025, 11:43 am • 13 1

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Stephen Bush @stephenkb.bsky.social

Would I rather live under Charlemagne or in any of his dominion in the 14th century: not a headscratcher!

aug 27, 2025, 11:49 am • 11 0 • view
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Library Lagomorph @bunnyjadwiga.bsky.social

The Hundred Years' War has entered the chat.

aug 30, 2025, 6:01 pm • 0 0 • view
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Richard J @preachypreach.bsky.social

"Am I a Saxon or not?"

aug 27, 2025, 11:50 am • 6 0 • view
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Richard J @preachypreach.bsky.social

(Mild historical peeves - that modern Saxony is nowhere near early medieval Saxony)

aug 27, 2025, 11:54 am • 3 0 • view
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John @johnlk.bsky.social

The center of gravity of "Saxony" moved gradually up the Elbe from what is now Niedersachsen (under the Ottonian and Guelph Dukes of Saxony) to what is now Sachsen-Anhalt (under the Ascanian and Ernestine Dukes and Electors) to the modern state under the Albertine electors in the 16th century

aug 27, 2025, 12:35 pm • 3 0 • view
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John @johnlk.bsky.social

And then of course Friedrich August I lost the Wittenberg area after the Congress of Vienna, which was the connection between late medieval and early modern Saxony.

aug 27, 2025, 12:37 pm • 2 0 • view
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John @johnlk.bsky.social

PEDANT VOICE: "Technically, they should really call it Meissen and Lower Lusatia"

aug 27, 2025, 12:38 pm • 2 0 • view
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Richard J @preachypreach.bsky.social

it's all very untidy, really. What are they, Poland?

aug 27, 2025, 2:00 pm • 1 0 • view
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Joel @storywonker.bsky.social

Dunno, a fair few bits of Italy weren't that bad in the 14th century

aug 27, 2025, 11:51 am • 4 0 • view
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Joel @storywonker.bsky.social

Al-Andalus was still pretty decent at that point too, if you were down south.

aug 27, 2025, 11:51 am • 2 0 • view
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Marwood @marwoodlennox.bsky.social

But there was also that whole bubonic plague thing

aug 27, 2025, 11:53 am • 2 0 • view
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Marwood @marwoodlennox.bsky.social

Also on the OP, I have noticed that certain Americans strongly react against any idea that history is more complicated than the image portraited in Victorian lessonbooks for schoolchildren. I am not sure where this comes from, video games?

aug 27, 2025, 12:06 pm • 7 0 • view
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Stephen Bush @stephenkb.bsky.social

I think it’s the broad curriculum at undergrad level. People who do not study history often have a V elevated idea of what “if only people knew about X!” and/or regard all attempts to complexify history as a bit seditious.

aug 27, 2025, 12:14 pm • 6 0 • view
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theangelofhistory.bsky.social @theangelofhistory.bsky.social

The worst thing about the US education system is the 101 courses which enable too many people to think they know loads off the back of a single course which should just be an gateway to other courses rather than an idiots guide

aug 27, 2025, 12:29 pm • 3 0 • view
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Library Lagomorph @bunnyjadwiga.bsky.social

Every single time I read in fiction or nonfiction that it was considered witchcraft to wash oneself in the Middle Ages, it turns out the author went to Cambridge. Very odd.

aug 30, 2025, 6:04 pm • 1 0 • view
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Joel @storywonker.bsky.social

Which is weird because I'd say the most popular historical vidya franchises do go into that complexity!

aug 27, 2025, 12:08 pm • 2 0 • view
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Joel @storywonker.bsky.social

The last Assassin's Creed game delved into the status of women and foreigners in Sengoku Japan! The one before that was set in Abbasid Baghdad!

aug 27, 2025, 12:08 pm • 2 0 • view
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Left-neoplatonist @yungdreyfusard.bsky.social

well yes but that happens in the early middle ages once too

aug 27, 2025, 12:03 pm • 1 0 • view
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Marwood @marwoodlennox.bsky.social

Or Late Antiquity if you will

aug 27, 2025, 12:07 pm • 1 0 • view
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Joel @storywonker.bsky.social

14th century gets you the Black Death, but then the Carolingian period gets you Justinian's Plague (probably also the Balck Death) still kicking around

aug 27, 2025, 11:54 am • 1 0 • view
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Miguel Gómez @prplmnkydw.bsky.social

Good luck with the fourteenth century.

aug 27, 2025, 1:04 pm • 3 0 • view
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Eric Wolever @ewolever.bsky.social

In common parlance and in the writings of Petrarch himself(!): "there was a more fortunate age and probably there will be one again; in the middle, in our time, you see the confluence of wretches and ignominy". (Petrarch, Epistolae metricae 3.33, ll.4-6.)

aug 27, 2025, 5:45 pm • 1 0 • view