That’s frightening. A friend’s sister was killed in a similar accident. She was sitting on a bench in front of her little boutique shop when an out of control car drove through her and into the shop. They’re lucky to be alive.
That’s frightening. A friend’s sister was killed in a similar accident. She was sitting on a bench in front of her little boutique shop when an out of control car drove through her and into the shop. They’re lucky to be alive.
I'm glad they are okay.
that sounds awful ugh
It was devastating and still wrecks me when I think of the hurt it caused.
I have never been able to figure out why some motorists drive fast through centers that have street side restaurants or shops. The towns and cities need to put up speed limit signs and double fines for anyone who go 5mph over the limit.
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an accident is when a kid wets the bed. an out of control car that could be slowed by speed governors - but isn't - isn't an accident, it's a deliberate choice that leads to statistically predictable outcomes.
I am not against limiting the speed of cars but this crash could've just as easily occurred while traveling at legal speed
geofencing
lmfao this is the funniest response I got in this whole thread
bollards
thanks for your suggestion I'm going to implement it immediately
sweet
Lol
There seemed to have been two impacts on the building by the vehicle. Unless the vehicle was a big hauling truck (dump truck, food delivery truck, package delivery truck), a double impact says that the driver was driving too fast for safety.
If that is the case then the “legal” speed is way too high.
Car crashes are more likely to occur at higher speeds, so while it is possible that the driver wasn’t speeding, speeding would make this crash more likely.
thank you wikipedia
if you want to learn more about this than what you'll find on Wikipedia, I highly recommend There Are No Accidents by Jessie Singer.
Thank you wikipedia
Bingo!
Now they’re pretending that isn’t what they said.
It's amazing you can even read the above post when you couldn't read mine through the deep red haze 😂
That’s not how physics works tho.
F = ma Big mass of car means even 20mph -> 0 acceleration is a large force. A friend of mine once had an incident where they drove an old car into a brick wall while going less than 15mph. It still tore a hole in the wall. Store fronts are less strong than brick walls. QED.
I’m not going to argue with someone who thinks a smart car going 30 hits just as hard as an f150 going 40. Says nothing of the fact that it’s easier to stop, turn, and just spot hazards from lower speeds. I don’t know where this idea that faster is safer comes from; but it’s fucking stupid
Assuming a 1s acceleration, 1mph ≈ 1.6kph (as Newtons are metric), rounding up the weights of the latest Smart Car models to around 800kg, and the F150 to around 1900kg: 800kg * (30mph * 1.6) ≈ 38,600N 1900kg * (40mph * 1.6) ≈ 115,900N So actually the F150 here hits about 3x harder. Simple physics
This reinforces exactly what I *actually* said, if you would've read it before responding, which is that massive vehicles moving at legal road speeds still produce a lot of force on impact.
That isn’t what you said though. Maybe you think you did, but you didn’t. What you said is that lowering speeds doesn’t make a difference
I never said that anywhere. You imagined I said that because in the haze of being mad on the internet you lost your ability to read. Try looking at my posts again when they aren't shaded in all red lmfao
Don’t try and gaslight me now. If your response to we should slow cars down Is Actually slowing them won’t make a difference Then what you’ve said is that you don’t believe in physics. If you acknowledge more speed and more weight is worse in every single scenario; then nothing else to say.
i too can drive into a wall while going the speed limit. i also can prevent driving into a wall by paying attention, or if I'm not at fault, the other person needs to pay attention. 99.99 percent of people go their entire lives without driving into a restaurant
cool
Ban cars
And restaurants
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I’m completely serious ban cars
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Your mom would benefit, that’s for sure.
That's great, now can you try reading the post this person was replying to
Why is my bed soggy?
There was not a driver in this car.
What a weird thing to say
every restaurant is a drive thru if you try hard enough. chase your dreams.
Then change the way the roadway is built. There is no excuse for this behaviour.
you can still die in a crash while wearing a seatbelt, yet we mandate seatbelts because they significantly reduce the risk of injury. your point is not relevant here.
You're not very smart
why do you say that?
the point is that the presence of a speed governor is completely irrelevant to this accident, unless you know it was cause by speeding. and most of these types of crashes are not caused by speeding, they're elderly people putting their car in drive instead of reverse and accelerating from park
Untrue, speed is the factor in every collision. You cannot plow through a wall at 5 km/hr with the same force as you can at 20 km/hr. It’s just physics.
Ignore this user @peek.bsky.social they are illiterate 💔
Maybe I was just typing too fast given that you told me speed couldn’t have been a factor.
I never said speed cannot be a factor I said that such a collision could've also happened at legal speeds. You then had a psychotic break and imagined I said something else and you have yet to exit the red mist
"the point" is that it's wrong to call this an accident and even if we assume you're right about all that stuff you made up, we can just ask "why are elderly people, who are at elevated risk of crashing, being allowed to drive?"
If it wasn't intentional, and we don't know that it was, then it's an accident
all streets are designed with known design choices that literally eliminate all fatal crashes (see: vision zero). street designers choose to ignore these options in favor of letting drivers arrive at their destination faster (assuming no traffic, which the design also encourages). it's intentional.
wrong! "accident" suggests we can't do anything about it. did you know that native Americans are 3x more likely to die in a crosswalk than whites? did you know you're 2x more likely to die in a house fire in West VA than in VA? please read this book to understand why this distinction is important:
i already think that. try and keep up
lol why so glib today? just gonna make people feel sorry for you. i mean, i do. i'm not sure why you're quibbling with me about specifics instead of just agreeing that crashes like this should not happen. and speed is certainly a factor. youtu.be/Ra_0DgnJ1uQ
mostly because you are being condescending and insulting me, for example by accusing me, a person who *agrees with you*, of making things up for trying to gently point out why the person you were responding to was reacting the way they were
actually it looks like hitting the gas by mistake is a bigger cause than gear confusion but the point stands. the sources i can find from quick googling suggests that speeding accounts for only around 3-5% of vehicle crashes into buildings
Beck is not just referring to circumstances where speeding was the primary cause of the accident, but also circumstances where it was a partial cause (it’s easier to recover from a driver error or unexpected swerve if going at slower speeds)
Actually speed is as big a factor in crashes as driving drunk, so no, actually, someone going the speed limit is more likely to retain control of their car
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do you realize that a lot of words in english have many polysemic meanings that we can all tell apart? nobody hears "accident" in the context of cars and thinks it literally means there were no deliberate choices involved
sorry, I don't follow. what uh polysemic meaning of "accident" are we all understanding?
nobody hears "accident" in the context of a car crash and thinks that means it's an "accident" in the general sense. we just use it as a synonym for crash.
man there's so much wrong with what you've said that i don't even know where to start. you seem to both believe that words have multiple meanings but also that they have no meaning. the "n" word may just mean "a black person," but there are huge reasons why we don't use that word anymore.
I can promise you, when Exon Valdez had the ”accident”, I didn’t think to myself “just an accident, they’re not responsible” I actually understand your point. However, you’re unwilling to get that some people know negligence requires accountability regardless of what word is used.
anyway if you want to stop being oblivious to this topic, you should read There Are No Accidents by Jessie Singer. they explain why "accident" is such a nefarious word.
words mean what people mean when they say them and what people think when they hear them. have you ever met anyone who's heard "car accident" and inferred anything from that beyond just that there was a crash? in my own head it is completely semantically distinct from the general meaning of accident
like, i get that there may be a nefarious historical reason for its use, and maybe it used to mean something else. but now it's just a synonym for car crash. it's a little silly to compare it to a slur whose meaning is basically what it's always been.
They’re saying that most people are smart enough to infer that just because the word “accident” was used, doesn’t mean that there is an absence of guilt and that the examined facts would determine that. But then … there’s maga reminding us all that odds can be defied. Release the Epstein files.
How is this an "accident"?
Technically someone could have a seizure and lose control or some other element could come into the situation that makes it an accident
this does not account for the statistical significance of the outsized number of deaths (and building crashes) in the US and Canada. these numbers are the result of systems, not individuals having health episodes.
there are many reasons why car crashes are so common and deadly here, but one of the reasons is: we don't do anything about it, because the general public has accepted these deaths as "accidents."
Crash is the proper word. I never understood why the word accident got popular.
Probably just because of what words mean in English
right, "accident" can be used to say both "I accidentally stepped on a Lego" and "BP accidentally dumped 134 million gallons of oil in the Gulf." a lot of weight that word "accident" carries!
Americans used to die by "accident" a ton in factories in the early 20th century. and the owners of the factories used that word to blame the deaths on the workers. it took a concerted effort from workers unions to show that the factories were unsafe, and significantly reduce workplace injuries.
This car wasn't even powered. If it was then these people wouldn't be walking away from this. This was someone thinking they put a car in park instead of neutral and it slowly backing into the building.
buildings getting hit by cars is very common in the US. you're saying it's always the result of someone leaving the car in neutral? does that account for why it rarely happens in other countries like NL? their cars can't go in neutral?
What are you talking about? I described what happened in the video. It's in the news. Someone left their car in neutral and it drifted into the building.
leaving aside that I was replying to someone describing a friend who died in a similar crash, what is the point of bringing that up? I'm talking about factors that cause this sort of thing to happen more frequently than it should. describing these crashes as "accidents" is one such factor.
so please tell me why you think it's necessary to respond to my point with a statement that, in this one specific case, it was not the result of a speeding driver? I'm not the police. I wasn't there. so what the fuck does it matter to me exactly how this one crash happened? I'm talking statistics.
Sometimes the regionality of vocab really helps out. I remember seeing cars at a stop in an intersection before I realized there had been an accident, when my friend's Texan mother, said, "oh, it's a wreck." And I thought, "that is exactly what it is."
What happens when a kid, in the process of wetting his/her/their bed, gets hit by an out of control car?.
I’ll do you one better. It’s a fuck up. They didn’t “accidentally“ drive through the front of the building. They FUCKED UP. Almost all automobile “accidents “ are preventable mistakes. People can’t drive for shit anymore and they are killing others, and far too seldom, themselves.
I completely agree. Unless something horrible like a malfunction happens, it’s nearly always recklessness. I once had brakeline fail in a 1 ton van coming off hghwy 60mph on a downhill ramp. I maneuvered around cars at bottom, ran light, got through another intersection, then rode the curb to stop.😰
Or we have a word for unintentional misfortune already and no amount of proscriptive Newspeak is going to make anyone any safer
it is worth looking at the drivers, but it is a mistake to put all the blame on them. we know that humans fuck up. that isn't unexpected. if there's a popular photo op on a bridge, and kids keep falling off and dying - you could say "well they should have known better" or you could put up a railing
is there more information about what actually happened? Because you can be involved in a crash like this and it could truly be an accident, i.e. a medical emergency renders the drive unconscious or something. I have no idea what the circumstances are, which is why I'm asking.
it doesn't matter what the specifics of this crash are, at least not regarding what i'm talking about. what matters is it's surprisingly common in the US, and there are steps to reduce this kind of thing that are not being taken. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_0...
...all I did was ask for more information, jfc calm down.
?? all i did was answer your question.
You really didn't
I've been trying to learn how to not respond in anger, so it took a lot to not reply back to them at the time, so I'm glad at least one person saw it my way. Sadly, I did respond in anger but luckily I caught myself and deleted it. I should really just delete my account, social media sucks.
no, you didn't.