Support for Labour is paper thin, their election victory last year was based on less than 34% of the popular vote. The @libdems.org.uk could become the progressive choice with policies free of political dogma and vested interests. A people focused compassionate politics. news.sky.com/story/lib-de...
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Need to spend a lot of time explaining LibDem positions on issues to public, educate them on where LibDems are on their priorities & issues..... there's millions of voters closer to LibDems than they are Labour who traditionally bypass them straight to Cons
Maybe they should stop acting like Tories then.
With the @greenparty.org.uk
They have a head start in opposing Israel's genocide but it is a shame that they have ruled out nationalising water even Thames Water
'Could become' doing a lot of heavy lifting. Very few 'cut through' policies. Only one I can think of is 'Rejoining the EU' which is about attractive to past centrist Conservative voters as a lead balloon. Squeezed between Labour and the Greens - not a good place to be 🤔
I’m curious to see what the new leader of the @greenparty.org.uk will do…..I’m presuming it’ll be @zackpolanski.bsky.social
He’s certainly the favourite, but he’s more likely to have a working relationship with Corbyn rather than the Lib Dem’s (despite being a former party member).
Me too, I assume Zack wants the Greens to be a socialist party like the new Corbyn party. They would be foolish to compete against each other.
I agree. I think there is political capital in @greenparty.org.uk and @libdems.org.uk working together.
I think @greenparty.org.uk should join @libdems.org.uk and have some of their MP hold environmental portfolios. Greens could then shape the policy they are most passionate about.
That was suggested on Compass away days.
They regularly do in local elections. Many voters also vote tactically between them.
That's very true. Even in GEs. At the last election, Lib & Green hardly dented Lab in my constituency. Not even taken together. I really hate #FPTP. My vote disappeared.
Especially in GEs. In local elections some parts of Bracknell Forest elected mainly Lib Dem and Green councillors, while Bracknell itself tended towards Labour (huge swing away from Conservatives everywhere.) In the GE the only way to oust the Tories was for most LDs & Greens to vote Labour.
And the pattern is set to continue till #FPTP goes. I would dearly welcome an alliance that breaks the mould at the next GE.
Quite extraordinary, really.
I’d be happy with that.
It was the loveless landslide for Labour, they weren’t popular it was just the fact (finally) the public were fed up with the Tories. The Lib Dem’s can take advantage of their unpopularity this time, hopefully reform and the Tories (with the DUP) don’t have the numbers to form a government.
What a shame that the media would prefer to highlight a party with four only seats.
Im looking at becoming more active in politics, so interested in how Greens will shape up or Libdems. How best do we fight the rising tide!
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In the current political environment which is divisive, angry and full of misinformation and hate, the libdems seem to be the kinder, more ethical voice. If only we could see more of them and less of Reform, we'd all be better for it!
Lib Dems have X 18 more MPs than Reform. We should hear and see them 18 times more than Reform. Lib Dems have 72 MPs, Reform have 4. The media and press are biassed, notably the #BBC @bbcbreaking-bot.bsky.social @bbcnewsnight.bsky.social national broadcaster.
The old adage "empty vessels make the most noise" sums it up.
They are loud and amplified by the press. My street is flag and protester free. Occasional rally in city centre. I imagine this is like it is across the country.
A flag has arrived in our village FFS🤬
I agree of course
Simple arithmetic, which the press, media and the £BC need to learn.
A fair chunk of Labour votes were 'get the tories out' votes rather than 'get Labour in' votes.
I just wish the LibDems would deemphasise the care home stuff and focus more on re-joining the EU starting with SM+CU. This is the only way we can grow our GDP and that's essential so we can fund everything else. It'd also help if they dropped their war on motorists in Cambridge.
Next election with Tories gone all those many thousands of Labour voters who lent their votes to oust the Tories will return home. 😊✊
4 more years ✊
I've switched my vote
More likely @greenparty.org.uk under @zackpolanski.bsky.social.
Perhaps there’s some mileage for the LDs in this, but their main job is holding the seats they won last time. It will be easier for the Greens to pick up some (most?) of these, esp if Polanski wins. Quite hard for one party to do both.
Labour knows this. Starmer wants to cut off any gains the Greens and LDs make by reinforcing the two party system. Starmer panders to ReFUK in the hope that a blackmail situation will arise that dictates, "vote for Labour or else you'll get ReFUK". As if we have no other choice. 🟩 🟧
Unfortunately the grim mechanics of FPTP makes that the case. Smaller parties need way more votes to win a seat. LDs are best placed, but I think many lefties will waste their vote on the Greens, because they still can't forgive the LibDema for the Tory Coalition betrayal.
A wasted vote is one where a party hasn't earned your vote. ReFUK is a protest vote and now seen as a threat to the mainstream. Why can't this be the case for Greens and/or LDs? Labour has no right to political hegemony, just ask the Tories.
In an ideal system yes. But we're in the very dangerous situation now where actual fascists are taking power. We are living in the final days of the Weimar Republic, and we must not allow the fascists to gain more power.
That's a global phenomenon, no doubt promoted by Russia in a sustained economic downturn. The system won't change until we vote differently. The overhyped ReFUK with a grand total of 4 MPs and falling have a vote share about the same as UKIP. Only Starmer wants to copy them. Consequences.
Party before country as always. Majority of Labour members back Proportional Representation. It's totally undemocratic that Starmer ignores this.
Absolutely correct. Labour members, who support PR, should seriously consider whether their continued membership can be justified, especially as FPTP could very well hand the keys to Number 10 to Farage, based on current polling.
I think (or at least hope), the more savvy members of the Labour party realise PR represents their best chance at holding on to any sort of power after the next election. The rise of the far right needs to be checked now, before it is too late.
I know it's boring now under FPTP but the emphasis has to be to keep Farage out of number ten.
Not convinced that's going to work under FPTP for Lab this time. LD's, Greens SNP and Plaid combined offer a viable alternative (1st + 2nd places),in many seats, and in red wall seats I'm not sure there are enough people willing to vote tactically for Lab to keep Reform out.
You may be right, but we can only influence what happens in our constituency. I'd even say vote conservative at this point. In my constituency it's going to be Labour or Reform possibly Conservative in waiting to see polling but I'll be voting Labour. I encourage my children in Stockport to vote LD.
Assuming that lab polling doesn't recover, or even gets worse, it's far from clear here who will be best placed to keep Reform out, with all 3 parties having held the constituency in recent memory.
True, my gut feeling is that mine will be a fight between Labour and deform. The tory vote may hold up though, yes, who knows. I can even see a scenario where the right wing vote is split between tories and deform allowing Labour to sneak in. So many variables though and 4 years to go.
We should prepare ourselves for a coalition.
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Tell starver that. Tell him to stop positioning himself as right of deform. HE is putting fartrage in no 10 just as much as the media.
I agree of course, but he listens to no one except the Irish ☘️ man who will (of course) go back to beautiful Ireland once this is all over.
And yourself. You want Farage for PM, carry on bashing the government. That'll do it.
When are you centrists going to accept responsibility for what is happening to vulnerable people NOW? I WILL continue to bash this fascist government while they enact policies that YOU insist we won't see the likes of until fartrage is in. Who is deporting and vilifying asylum seekers NOW? Starver.
Who is disenfranchising trans folk NOW? Starver. Who is taking money away from sick and vulnerable people NOW? Starver. Who is refusing to lift the two child cap and indeed putting MORE kids into poverty NOW? Starver.
Who is supporting, through financial aid/weapon provision/tactically an actual genocide and criminalising those protesting against it NOW? Starver. Who is carving the uk up into freeports and sezs and giving control of huge areas and cities to corporations NOW? Starver.
And I suspect YOU put him there. Like the other commenter said, he doesn't automatically GET votes, he needs to EARN them if he wants to win. He's shitting all over mine, HE doesn't want it, that is NOT *my* fault, so you can place your blame where it belongs... on YOUR last ballot paper. 👋🏽
Starmer is not the charismatic, dynamic, progressive, ambitious leader to have earned my vote. His backroom comms and policy staff, including McSweeny and Glasman, have successfully repelled many progressive voters. Simply being not Farage is insufficient. Votes must be earned.
Exactly 👌
Looks like he's distancing himself from Blue Labour, that can only be a good thing.
Where does it look like that? If he's distancing himself from blue labour he could do with also stopping validating the racist 'legitimate concerns' propaganda before he appears even more to be aligning labour with fartrage. Any signs of that?
Can't see any point talking to you, your mind is made up. Just glad that your lot don't make any difference electorally.
And that, unfortunately, is idealistic. He is, however, that guy who goes to the office and deals with issues without dogma which is the kind of PM I want especially after 15 years of tory. Breath of fresh air for me. Looks like we're going back to scandals all over the front pages in 4 years time🤷
So 'pragmatic left' is like 'national socialist'. Got it.
I worried about that too, but apparently it keeps him in check by the prevalence of other parties
I don't have any other choice, it's either Labour or deform and I'll be damned before I vote in a way that ushers in NF.
Starmer got in on GTTO. Produced redlines. Vote in fear of worse won't work here again.
Retribution/punishment is a strong driver for some voters. Much stronger than the pragmatic "vote this our you'll get that". Tactical voting punished the Tories at the last GE giving Labour a stonking majority. Those votes to Labour were on loan, which they've defaulted on.