Zack Polanski wants the UK to quit NATO. That puts him on the side of Russia. There can be no progressive alliance to resist Farage if he continues to hold such a stance. bsky.app/profile/nick...
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He wants out because you NAFO cunts post so much cringe
sep 2, 2025, 5:50 pm • 5 1 • view
Why have you included two pictures of what "stop the war" was doing? Is there a connection there I don't know about?
sep 2, 2025, 5:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you think Labour are progressive?
sep 2, 2025, 4:03 pm • 1 0 • view
It's all relative isn't it?
sep 2, 2025, 5:29 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you think the people currently running an Enoch Powell wet dream are progressive?
sep 2, 2025, 5:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Relative to Reform or Conservative, obviously yes by any agreed definitions of the term.
sep 2, 2025, 5:34 pm • 0 0 • view
No. In fact, they are explicitly TO THE RIGHT of Reform. www.scenemag.co.uk/labour-mp-la...
sep 2, 2025, 5:36 pm • 0 0 • view
And what exactly is 'progressive' about proscribing anti-genocide protestors, creating a new Section 28 and legally creating trans apartheid?
sep 2, 2025, 5:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Furthermore, members of this Labour government brag about being more effective conservatives than the Tories. x.com/breeallegret...
sep 2, 2025, 5:38 pm • 0 0 • view
You want our foreign policy to be aligned with the US. That puts you on the side of Trump. Atlanticism is dead as long as Trump is in power
sep 2, 2025, 3:10 pm • 15 0 • view
What you just said makes zero sense.
sep 2, 2025, 6:57 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t think you’re aware of what Polanski actually said. Do you want me to provide you with it?
sep 2, 2025, 7:00 pm • 1 0 • view
What did he say.
sep 3, 2025, 3:43 am • 0 0 • view
Pretty much the same as what Merz said: bsky.app/profile/greg...
sep 3, 2025, 7:22 am • 0 0 • view
Whilst there is a reasonable question as to whether Tump works for Putin then NATO has been neutered. What Zack is saying is that a new alliance must be formed to counter Putin. Is that so unreasonable?
sep 3, 2025, 9:54 am • 1 1 • view
It's naive at best, and when combined with speaking on an STW platform and being recommended as a good guy by Corbyn, it becomes downright creepy. Thus far, Trump hasn't destroyed NATO, and he has forced the Europeans to up their defence spending.
sep 3, 2025, 10:10 am • 0 0 • view
north atlantic fuckheads organisation
sep 2, 2025, 3:33 pm • 2 0 • view
Keir Starmer is a racist. I’d rather vote for Polanski, who isn’t a racist who pushes the disabled into poverty
sep 2, 2025, 3:30 pm • 9 0 • view
Racism would be bad for one group of people but leaving NATO would be even worse and bad for everyone.
sep 2, 2025, 5:33 pm • 1 0 • view
The "one group of people" meaning "anyone that isn't white". The group that consists of the vast majority of the people on Earth
sep 2, 2025, 7:37 pm • 0 0 • view
Not sure how tbh. The US leads NATO and Trump is currently in bed with Putin. European countries are disengaging from the US, and their militaries will do the same.
sep 2, 2025, 5:54 pm • 3 0 • view
Yes but you would never dream of leaving NATO just because of the current US president…whom is a temporary occurrence versus NATO which has been around for decades! Just wait until the next one.
sep 2, 2025, 6:21 pm • 1 0 • view
Hi, me again—you ignored me before, funny that—regarding ‘Never dream of leaving NATO because of current President’, what do you know that the current Chancellor of Germany doesn’t?
sep 2, 2025, 6:25 pm • 8 0 • view
You understand that when the Head of Government of the largest economy in Europe talks about achieving ‘real independence from the USA’ that that necessarily includes NATO and a leader of that import doesn’t say stuff like that for shits and giggles? It was pretty big news.
sep 2, 2025, 6:26 pm • 3 0 • view
EU countries are scrambling to find alternatives to US technology too.
sep 2, 2025, 6:28 pm • 0 0 • view
And Vice President JD Vance as well as the ascendant far-right wing of the GOP represented by the Claremont Institute and Heritage Foundation are both deeply isolationist and hostile to America footing the bill for global security interests, so the idea this issue is ‘one and done’ is juvenile.
sep 2, 2025, 6:32 pm • 2 0 • view
Europe can, and should develop a fully independent defence capability, but that can be done while remaining in NATO. It means having a NATO which can operate in the European sphere without US participation.
sep 2, 2025, 6:39 pm • 5 1 • view
There is nothing that either Polanski or Friedrich Merz said that is in contravention with that sentiment unless what is more important to you is said arrangement being called NATO as opposed to the substance of the security arrangement agreed therein.
sep 2, 2025, 6:47 pm • 7 0 • view
So you agree with Polanski in principle then, just not on semantics
sep 2, 2025, 6:53 pm • 4 0 • view
Where does Polanski talk about a European equivalent of NATO?
sep 2, 2025, 7:24 pm • 0 0 • view
“We clearly need to be making sure that our policy is meeting the moment,” If you want to be super uncharitable you can interpret that as him suggesting no security arrangements whatsoever would meet the moment, but I think that would be so uncharitable as to be not serious.
sep 2, 2025, 7:25 pm • 5 0 • view
Given that the Green Party and Polanski both have a history of talking about wanting to leave NATO for the sake of it, I am not prepared to give any of this non-committal language the benefit of the doubt!
sep 2, 2025, 7:28 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s pretty implicit unless you take the worst faith interpretation of his words possible
sep 2, 2025, 7:27 pm • 3 0 • view
Lmao I need something more than "pretty implicit" as an alternative if we are talking about the end of NATO…! No, he has been talking about leaving NATO for the hell of it for ages and not once has he been serious about an alternative defence arrangement.
sep 2, 2025, 7:30 pm • 0 0 • view
zack just did an interview with channel four news where he talks about his position on nato youtu.be/1KsgxOrgbOA scroll to 26min
sep 2, 2025, 8:00 pm • 5 1 • view
Good answer! Seems very similar to what I was explaining before! Odd!
sep 2, 2025, 8:06 pm • 1 0 • view
Thanks for that. This is a lot more clear but unfortunately he again talks about an alliance based on "peace and diplomacy" which is Corbyn/Trump language on this issue and does not at all sound like a strong defensive alliance to me.
sep 2, 2025, 8:25 pm • 0 0 • view
The Greens are traditionally terrible on NATO. An easy target unless they change.
sep 2, 2025, 7:25 pm • 1 0 • view
That's what Europe is doing currently, just as they're trying to detach themselves form US tech, with both initiatives being driven by security concerns about the US. It's no longer contentious to talk about leaving NATO.
sep 2, 2025, 6:45 pm • 1 0 • view
"Leaving NATO" and "developing an alternative just in case" are very very different things. The first one is a dangerous idea to just be bandying about without talking about a strong alternative.
sep 2, 2025, 7:25 pm • 0 0 • view
Which he does, in the statement, when he talks about ‘clearly [needing] to be making sure that our policy is meeting the moment.’
sep 2, 2025, 7:26 pm • 3 0 • view
The NATO-forever faction will never accept any alternative to NATO regardless, but the fact that European leaders are considering this is a major shift.
sep 2, 2025, 7:30 pm • 0 0 • view
Merz is clearly desperate to preserve NATO based on what he said a couple of days ago.
sep 3, 2025, 11:31 am • 1 0 • view
And when he says, “If we hadn’t done X it would have disintegrated that day,” he’s indicating how delicate the balance of maintaining it right now is – which raises imminent questions about its long term efficacy, however necessary right now. Both things can be true.
sep 3, 2025, 11:35 am • 1 0 • view
Yes, because he believes it’s vital. A unilateral policy to leave NATO is foolish. That does not preclude other military alliances. Polanski appears to be the only leader advocating for trans rights, which makes the Greens a strong choice, but this makes me pause.
sep 3, 2025, 11:40 am • 2 0 • view
Fortunately a ‘unilateral policy’ is not even remotely close to what Polanski advocated for literally yesterday, and when pressed on it provided an answer that both engaged with the immediate security concerns of today while asking pertinent questions about the future of European security interests.
sep 3, 2025, 11:42 am • 4 0 • view
Corbyn's done it three times in the last fortnight. Sultana's done the same.
sep 3, 2025, 11:54 am • 1 0 • view
I see what you're saying however their positions are very different. Polanski is much more absolute on the idea that "we must leave NATO" and I do not see him talking about a European alliance. Instead he talks about "forming new international alliances based on “peace”" which is nonsense.
sep 2, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view
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sep 2, 2025, 7:30 pm • 1 0 • view
No it isn’t, because Polanski affirms that the party he now leads voted to remain in NATO and reform it from within while expressing personal doubts. Friedrich Merz, as Head of Government of Germany, is duty-bound to operate within NATO while trying to reform it from within, while expressing doubts.
sep 2, 2025, 7:24 pm • 3 0 • view
Let the "Polanski wants to leave NATO" whack-a-mole begin!
sep 2, 2025, 7:33 pm • 2 0 • view
It certainly has been around for decades! So many decades in fact that one of it's founding members was an OG fascist state that only became democratic in the middle '70s.
sep 2, 2025, 7:34 pm • 0 0 • view
That's before we get onto the fascist terrorist cells that NATO set up across Europe...
sep 2, 2025, 7:34 pm • 1 0 • view
European leaders are seriously looking at ways to reduce their reliance on the US for both tech and military. Leaving NATO wouldn't be the end of the world.
sep 2, 2025, 6:26 pm • 0 0 • view
Leaving NATO being worse than overt racism is such a Labour brained line of argument I have to commend you. That would also be the NATO certain European leaders are actively tying to find an alternative to.
sep 2, 2025, 6:32 pm • 1 0 • view
That's his opinion, I don't think it's Green Party policy
sep 2, 2025, 3:55 pm • 1 0 • view
Well…as he is the actual leader and was voted in with knowledge of those views…it kind of reflects on the party even more so than it did when he was a deputy.
sep 2, 2025, 5:30 pm • 1 0 • view
Do any of you want to explain the difference between Polanski’s comments and Friedrich Merz’s or are you all just going to wave ‘NATO’ around like a Shibboleth that neatly ties up more complex security discussions lol
sep 2, 2025, 5:36 pm • 8 0 • view
Like you all keep holding up NATO as this totem of guaranteed security when Europe’s most powerful economy has said it can’t be relied on, its main military backer is repeatedly trying to disentangle from it and Norway is now buying ships from the U.K. because it doesn’t trust them.
sep 2, 2025, 5:39 pm • 5 0 • view
And before you all make this about Trump, may I remind you of the leaked signal chat in which is VP expressed resentment at the US being mobilised to defend Suez Canal shipping routes when it was not a large concern for US trade. This problem is not going away. Sorry.
sep 2, 2025, 5:40 pm • 6 0 • view
This policy worries me, as does his talk of leftist populism.
sep 2, 2025, 2:25 pm • 8 0 • view
To the extent he has a ‘policy’ vis-a-vis NATO, it largely mirrors the statements made by German chancellor Merz earlier in the year; that the US is no longer a reliable partner for European security and that Europe needs to begin pursuing an alternative arrangement. Which is just realism.
sep 2, 2025, 3:06 pm • 32 3 • view
I’m sympathetic to concerns about European security but the cold hard reality is that if NATO was the catch-all guarantee of security it’s sold as, we wouldn’t have just had eight European leaders flying to Washington to sit opposite their largest partner while he slunk off to check in with Vlad!
sep 2, 2025, 3:11 pm • 22 1 • view
It sounds like the pro-Russian Corbynists have found a new home in the Green Party.
sep 2, 2025, 2:41 pm • 6 0 • view
Yes, I thought at first it was more 'Stop the war nonsense' but it is more looking towards a Europe version of NATO. The Ukrainians think the last country to leave NATO will be 🇬🇧, due to the 🇺🇸 relationship. Meanwhile, Europe has nothing, 🇺🇸 is not reliable and Putin is going to test Article 5. 🫣
sep 2, 2025, 3:10 pm • 3 0 • view
europe has plenty though, look at all the arms manufacturers here and ramping up daily why talk us down ... US under trump is more than unreliable but a traitor BTW
sep 2, 2025, 3:14 pm • 3 0 • view
I hope that's the case, but he has turned up to STW rallies, apparently.
sep 2, 2025, 3:12 pm • 1 0 • view
I hope that is the case aswell. 🤞🫣 The MOD think Putin will test Article 5 in the next five years, probably via Svalbard island or Estonia and nobody trusts the Yanks. 🙁
sep 2, 2025, 3:18 pm • 1 0 • view
All the more reason to crush Putin in Ukraine.
sep 2, 2025, 3:19 pm • 1 0 • view
I got all of this information from the daily Telegraph podcast on Ukraine. It is really stange how The Telegraph are batshit crazy on most things but very good on Ukraine. 🙃🤷♂️ Ukraine: The Latest podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/u...
sep 2, 2025, 3:29 pm • 1 0 • view
Surprised, as I always thought that they were Russia boosters (business-wise, at least).
sep 2, 2025, 3:32 pm • 2 0 • view
There never were any pro-Russian Corbyn supporters; that's just how centrists chose to describe left-wingers who dared to mention that the war in Ukraine was a proxy war brought on by decades of American interference. I've got news about the centrists' antisemitism claims too if you're interested?
sep 2, 2025, 5:57 pm • 1 0 • view
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sep 2, 2025, 3:03 pm • 4 0 • view
This is an incredibly embarrassing thing to post.
sep 2, 2025, 5:33 pm • 4 0 • view
We must vote for parties that want NATO. The ones that • plunged thousands into poverty and continue to do so. • demonised & ostracised trans, migrants, the disabled, benefit claimants and so many more • allow profiteering, pollution & the trashing of the environment NATO is far more important🤪
sep 2, 2025, 3:53 pm • 10 0 • view
Tell that to the Ukrainians. Without NATO, all our democracy, freedom, and human rights will be just waiting to be crushed by brute military force or the threat of such force. The world is becoming a very dangerous place, and we have been complacent for far too long.
sep 2, 2025, 3:57 pm • 6 1 • view
Your continued objective support for Trump is a form of that complacency. Although if you're going to play the "Tell that to the..." card I suggest you talk to some Kurds about how trusting the US turned out.
sep 2, 2025, 7:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Supporting Ukraine is not contingent on being a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which is led by a Trump administration that really is on Putin’s side
sep 2, 2025, 5:45 pm • 6 0 • view
It is if you want it to be successful
sep 2, 2025, 7:17 pm • 0 0 • view
You think our democracy, freedoms and human rights aren’t already being crushed? You’re not poor, trans, disabled or a migrant, an independent journalist, a political activist or any one of the groups that are having their rights and freedoms removed are you?
sep 2, 2025, 4:05 pm • 7 0 • view
Even if the world order weren’t at stake (which it very much is, btw - I still haven’t found a better explanation than the one Jay gives in the first two minutes of this video), don’t you think Ukraine should receive some (mil.) help? And isn’t NATO a useful tool for that? bsky.app/profile/jayi...
sep 2, 2025, 5:13 pm • 1 0 • view
I don’t understand why Ukraine deserve help when other countries don’t? What makes it so special? And don’t say because Russia will eventually invade us all because that is crap
sep 2, 2025, 5:26 pm • 2 0 • view
The telling difference is the response to Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine V the response to Israel’s invasion of Gaza.
sep 2, 2025, 5:30 pm • 3 0 • view
Exactly my thoughts George
sep 2, 2025, 5:31 pm • 2 0 • view
you think we better let the "Russian world" arrive everywhere on account of the "Gaza world" having arrived in Gaza (yes, the photos are identical)?
sep 2, 2025, 5:47 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m not suggesting cause. Israel invaded Gaza we support Israel Russia invade Ukraine we support Ukraine. There a world of hypocrisy there.
sep 2, 2025, 6:56 pm • 1 0 • view
wouldn't we need to fix the wrong effort, and keep going with the correct one? Not cancelling the correct one for rather unexplained reasons. Plus, as someone here mentioned, the Threat Prioritization - which one do we think is more likely to spill over and spread?
sep 2, 2025, 7:02 pm • 0 0 • view
You really think the ‘Russian world’ is going to arrive everywhere?
sep 2, 2025, 5:49 pm • 0 0 • view
maybe 🇬🇧 will be spared, who knows, lucky you. But it's very different and very real in some other places. I would feel a bit bad throwing them under the bus.
sep 2, 2025, 5:55 pm • 0 0 • view
Of course, they will never invade "us all" at once. If they win in Ukraine, they will pick another country. Say - Estonia. People like you will start saying "why help Estonia? who does it deserve help when other countries don't? What makes it so special?". And then another country. And another.
sep 2, 2025, 5:59 pm • 4 0 • view
People like me? Interesting
sep 2, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view
If you ask now "why Ukraine?", you will also ask "why Estonia" ("why Latvia, why Poland, why Moldova") etc.
sep 2, 2025, 6:05 pm • 4 0 • view
The other thing is that Russia is attacking us from within. Russia didn't promote Farage for no reason. The more powerful Russia becomes the more it will seek to control our politics. It wants Western Europe turned into a nasty web of pro-Russian fascist states.
sep 2, 2025, 6:12 pm • 7 1 • view
That’s not what I asked. I will rephrase. Why does Ukraine get support because of the Russian invasion, while Israel also gets support while invading (and worse) Palestine?
sep 2, 2025, 6:10 pm • 3 0 • view
I can only answer for Europe. Netanyahu, for all the evil that he is, is quite unlikely to attack any European country. Not so about Putin, he will soon pick another victim in Europe. I will devote all my attention to Palestine (promise!) when Ukraine is safe. Russia is now a bigger problem for us.
sep 2, 2025, 6:18 pm • 1 0 • view
You wrote this, but you don't seem to care about people being killed, raped, maimed, tortured and terrorised by Russia? I will guess that you do care, quite rightly, about the people of Gaza. bsky.app/profile/sylv...
sep 2, 2025, 6:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Now you are being ridiculous. I know more about the affects of war better than you and your Ukraine list could ever know. You didn’t take notice of the post where I say I work with refugees and asylum seekers from all countries.
sep 2, 2025, 6:13 pm • 1 0 • view
Yeah, we shouldn't care about other people suffering invasion and occupation. We're all safe in our cosy little island. People thought that during most of the 1930s. We know how that ended.
sep 2, 2025, 6:02 pm • 5 0 • view
Yeah because that’s exactly what I said. Actually no, it isn’t, that’s just how you have interpreted it to justify yourself.
sep 2, 2025, 6:04 pm • 1 0 • view
Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, and the most powerful member of NATO is currently run by a fascist who intends to unilaterally hand parts of Ukraine to Putin. So maybe NATO isn't the answer.
sep 2, 2025, 7:28 pm • 2 0 • view
Maybe a united EU army would be better. Especially as USA can't be trusted at the moment.
sep 2, 2025, 4:47 pm • 0 0 • view