“There it is. There it is. Brand new info for you. There it is. See? I’m just now giving a fuck. Virginia has finally committed suicide. So NOW I AM SO ENRAGED!! 🙄 WTFuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Do you think Trump would have been equally offended if Epstein had poached one of the guys who mowed the golf course?

Pedo trump and his spa employees should be indicted for sex trafficking.

Epstein

The real question is why will no reporter ask that question?

Exactly this - it creeps me out to hear maga people defending this. I think it’s weird that those people want to stay consistent in their support for President Thickbit but willing to contradict themselves (compromising their consistency & competence) to do it. Have & eat cake. It’s possible I guess

Her folks didn’t seem to concerned then. She should have been working at Dairy Queen or babysitting. Not sleep overs at Michael Jackson’s house

But ….. but ….. Hunter’s laptop ….. and ….. um …… the birth certificate ….. and ….. uh ….. Benghazi ….. and ….. and ….. the tan suit …. and ….. um ….. OH MY GOD WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS

This should be on billboards everywhere...

😡😡

Were pedophiles going to Mar-a-Lago spa?

Where were the parents of these children??

Exactly 💯!!! As a Masseuse! 🚬😎

And why does he remember her working there from so long ago? And why was he so mad when she left? As a parent to two teenage daughters I have some questions.

I don't need to see SHIT from the Epstein files. I believe the 25+ women who have credibly accused trump of sexual assault and other sexual misconduct. This is a no-brainer, people. BELIEVE WOMEN!

They told you they wanted children working. Just never said where.

Did his 'breakup' with his friend Epstein include Trump pouting and shouting, "But Jeffrey, I was was grooming her", "How dare you steal her to groom her for yourself!" I bet that was the vibe.

www.documentcloud.org/documents/31... Lot of smoke

It was asked, and they said she was almost 16

ALMOST?!?! 16; WTF 😳

Pedophile in chief

It is in Florida. Explains everything.

Hunting ground

she was 16 and in a mentorship training at the Spa

I think she was 14

Me 2; read she was 14 while working at Mar-a-Lago AND when she met Epstein AT (per trump’s Own Words) Mar-a-Lago.

Seriously this is this question! Also because the pay was probably shit .

Exactly. Underage!

RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!

#EpsteinDidNotKillHimself

JHC, Isn't it obvious? The entire Epstein files need to be released to bring justice for the young girls sex trafficked.

The second biggest creep /pedo in the country (the first died in prison) - is in the WH! What kind of stupid low life would vote for such a despicable & depraved man to run our government? If you voted for him you should be ashamed & are really an ignorant & sick person.

What were her “responsibilities”, this child!

From the man who grabs women by the pussy.. what do you think?

Let’s have a maga respond

#TrumpCrimeFamilyForPrison #TrumpPedoFiles

Couldn't believe that Trump could say that Epstein 'stole' his Spa girls. And how little reaction there has been. What were these girls doing there? Decoration? Enticement? And Trump talks as if he has been done an injustice. This nation is morally depraved.

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

This whole Epstein mess should be put in a frequently flooding basement. Cannot believe a public announcement made about opening up the files only to notice the level of attention and media buzz gone berserk.

Bondi played the main part. Those files have been reviewed so many times and then again scouring for Trump's name to be redacted. Also enough time to insert some erroneous info that no one will catch. Just hire somebody to break in, steal the boxes and bury them!

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Because Trump and Epstein were in business together. They traded young girls like they were inventory. I think Epstein got one of Trumps favorite girls.

So sick of there being no robust opposition to this man.

I'm so sick of this. Where is the opposition?

The question they will never ask: "Why was this underage spa worker so important to you, that you gave up a 30 year friendship?" Answer.. she was His sex toy

Uep

🎯

Exactly!

For trump it was two things, first he did not have to pay her as much and second she was young. Both are equally disgusting. release the Epstein files and send this man to jail. There must not be a statute of limitations on crimes to young girls. Bondi is just as guilty for the cover up. Pure evil

Trump broke up with Epstein, for being a rival pimp. @reed.senate.gov #GameShowRepublic

I don't believe that she committed suicide. Just like I never believed Epstein committed suicide. The one common factor is tRump.

Yeah. After hearing about other Epstein victims killings themselves, she pointed out over and over that she was not suicidal. Plus she had children, a husband and a totally new life, things to live for.

Exactly 💯

We all know that this is the scandal that should bring down this administration. We the people have the power to hold them accountable. This is OUR country and OUR money 47 is pissing away.

That is exactly what I have been wondering.

He's a pedo.

No the question is where the fuck were her parents? They let a 15 yr old work at Mara-Lardo? They allowed this and then allowed her to travel with these pervs?

Maga aka the Pedo supporters

Good question.

Rapist trump, Maxwell & Epstein ran a child sex trafficking ring out of Mar Low Go Why isn't this being investigated?

Simple cuz nobody was watching. 🤮🤮 no class or dignity or conscience!

This is from an old Vanity Fair spread before AI took over our diminishing brains.

He’s so gross.

Why did he consider this child to be his property?

Why would Trump even notice if one of his spa workers quit unless he was very close to her. Pedophile...

They also don't want anyone asking if he's released his tax returns yet. Well, has he?

The Netflix documentary had her saying she was 17 I thought and she was working at the desk thinking about going into massage therapy career when she was approached by Maxwell.

Yep, we really need someone this dumb issuing orders to nuclear submarines!

“Spa”

Exactly! Donald Trump said on Howard Stern about Lindsay Lohan 17 at the time - why are the deeply troubled girls always the best in bed? A truly disgusting person!

I repeat...Yuck!

🥴

Why did he own the Miss Teen USA pageant while being best friends with pedophiles Epstein and Maxwell?

How many of the miss teen girls ended up in the Epstein underage sex ranch?

I want someone to look into this!!

did any of Trump's miss teen USA pageant contestants end up getting pimped out by Epstein

Good question

www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...

I’ll look into it.

this is what congress should be investigating imstead of rehashing hillary

bsky.app/profile/gtco...

Not exactly a new question, is it?!

We're asking. But the higher ups are not.🤨

Has any journalist asked him this question?

You honestly don't need the Epstein files to connect the dots

Pervert paedophile, trump!!

Sex slave

AND how does he remember her? Tied to a bed?

I was thinking the same thing.

Where are you getting that age? I can’t find any information that she wasn’t 16 when she was working there. Not that what happened wasn’t monstrous enough on its own, but I’m having a hard time imagining her getting work before she was 16.

Slam dunk question , very petinent too ,

I always loved a solid brain teaser

Her Father was also employed there.

And, “There IT Is Folks!” Enough Said!

Even if she was just a towel girl, that's creepy enough. It was at Mar A Lago, for heck's sake.

Correct Grooming at the age of need For the Donald Remember how spa work was back in the day Called massage therapy Use to be an inside tip of sex workers trade A front hi thought You’d see stories on news with marquee stating it & stings from police raids or a tips

And what concerns me is the security of the files themselves. Epstein didn’t just deal with people in the states. He probably dealt with the heads of foreign governments, and given how sloppy Trump is, some of those folks know about his secrets too.

The mess that is currently erupting over the Epstein files is precisely why people shouldn’t elect a president who is compromised and has a questionable background. Maxwell is blackmailing the White House, threatening to tell all she knows if they don’t concede to her wants.

She doesn't just have America by the cojones. British Royal family are in the flight logs and photos.

She might as well bend him over the resolute with a strap on, while she's at it.

why did trump say epstein "stole" her away? only property can be stolen

I want to know why Ivanka would ever sit in her father's bed with his arms around her? That is just totally gross and totally inappropriate. What normal and decent father would invite his adolescent daughter onto his bed for him to grin at the camera with a wink in his eye?

Ugh

The lap dance photo is all the proof we need that he’s a sexual predator of minors 😡

Frankly, a history of wearing a suit without socks is enough to send Trump packing. No one does that unless they are a Grade A asshole.

I really want vankie to have a break through memory and spill the beans on daddy.

WTAF

Heeey… yeaaahhh.

Trump didn't get involved with sex trafficking when Epstein came around. TRUMP WAS ALWAYS A PEDOPHILE AND FOUND WAYS TO SATISFY THAT ITCH. Pagents & model agencies were his supply. He lived his entire life as a pedophile always hunting for his next little girl.

What the heck Trump and Melanie were part of the grooming process for Epstein and Maxwell

I think we all know the answer to that question....but only a few what to say it.

Enigmas never age.

FLOODING THE ZONE Release the #TrumpsteinFiles #Epstein #EpsteinFiles #EpsteinList

What is an "adult spa?" Is that a brothel? Mar-A-Lago is a brothel like Epstein's. If that is the case it wouldn't matter what age she is. Prostitution is illegal in Florida period. Is this the same spa just out in the open? lagomar.com/play/the-spa...

Yup. It is Epstein Island 2

yep, it's a brothel. it's where they hold the cocaine orgies

Wakey Wakey…

In many parts of America have to be 21 to buy a glass of wine for goodness sake!

Or serve it

#PedoPresident #CoverUp #Maxwell is a CHILD RAPIST!😡

,@gop

Same reason 13 year olds put on bikinis for him….ask the parents ..they may have thought it was GREAT, or were drunk/unaware/duped, or simply did not care.

The sad part is all of this was known before Trump got back in.

So obvious, no journalists have bothered to ask.

www.dailykos.com/stories/2016... Trump, Epstein and Maxwell are child traffickers.

Whatever happened to Me2?

Folks — Please RESTACK the crap out of this. And take a moments to make your voice heard! We can turn up the heat on Trump. Let's go! mdavis19881.substack.com/p/heres-how-...

That alone should ‘trump’ everything else. Why is Don-boy being protected? All of our girls are vulnerable.

Why did her parents allow this? Cmon if it was prostitution then the parents were human trafficking.

Trump and his machines

And Trump was upset that Epstein “stole” her from him like she was his possession. He wasn’t upset that there was a 15 year old girl working in his massage parlor. What kind of sick fuck is he?!?!?

As a former teenage CC locker room attendant,Giuiffre most likely hired to be the towel/member check-in girl; certainly not a massage therapist. It shouldn’t have mattered if someone “stole” her away for another job because those employees were a dime a dozen. Trump is lying, again

HE'S GUILTY AF OF EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE THOUGHT ALL ALONG!

And why was Trump, the incredibly wealthy owner, so familiar with the details of her employment as a part-time spa attendant that he remembers them decades later? (Also, the timeline doesn't work. Trump and Epstein were friends long after Virginia left Maralago.)

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔?

Worked for him? Let's see a w4...W2? Was she a private contractor? How 'bout a 1099? She served in a positiin as a message technician? Did they get a copy of her certification? No? How about copies of her paychecks? No?? Doesn't sound like an EMPLOYEE, sounds like some slave labor.

LOL! By this time next year there will be hundreds of thousands of fourteen year olds working in places worse than a spa . . .

Exact question that needs answered!

Bulldoze

Her dad was a maintenance manager at MAL

Her father worked as a maintenance manager on the grounds and got her a job.

If I recall, her father worked at the resort and got her a summer job. She wasn't a masseur or physical therapist; however, she did meet the fair Miss Maxwell there.

Thank you. Reading through the comments, there seems to be a lot of pervs on this site with imaginations better suited to Penthouse forum than social media.

Pervs who comment ? Because they thought she was a masseuse there ? What do you think she did to Epstein the day she left ? The pedestal some think they stand on. My gosh.

Yeah. How do you get from "she worked part time at a Spa" to she was a masseuse or physical therapist giving out hand jobs at Mar-A-Lago?? (And yes, I saw a comment to that effect) She was probably handing out towels. I don't know what she did there, and neither do you.

So you will agree we both don’t know and you are calling other names. The level

I don't know, and I'm not speculating on what she did there. You don't know and are projecting you're sexual fantasies. Those are not the same thing. So, yeah, I'm name calling pervs.

I asked it

Apparently she was 16 and it was legal in FL at the time. Her dad worked at mar-a-largo and got her the job there for the summer. Maybe he didn’t realize what creeps and pervs hung out there.

This is the least of the arguments. It was a different time back then. I had a job when I was 13 and continued to work until I retired. This is a non issue.

Uh 🙄 NO It’s Not! A 14 yr. old working n an Adult Spa is Definitely NOT OK!

I had the same question.

and another important question did the Florida department of public health know this? while my search results were sketchy. it seems that persons offering non-medical massage services need to be certified in the procedure they perform. there is no email but i am going to look into this further.

some questions. what is the age requirement (i do not think there is one), what certifications does a person need? does this apply to private spas/resorts/hotels? how can i find out if someone has a certification? floridasmassagetherapy.gov/licensing-re...

Strange how suicide occurred just before all this came out.

Keep asking every chance you get

It’s right in front of us, but MAGATS are blinded by ignorance

And obviously one well-known to the felon.

Let’s see the MagaLardo visitor list. Let’s see the names of the pedos that got ‘massages’.

pedo pres. big surprise. inching the level of hypocrisy to beyond the limits for the jesus loving jerks.

It’s the cabal of pedophiles…

She was his sex slave and nobody cared about checking the age of his employees. It's the same with ICE. How many migrants work for him 🤔

She was a towel girl. A 15-year-old child was there to hand out towels to pedos.

Just like is Grandfather. A pimp.

💯 Correct ✅

I’ve been asking that question ever since I heard of this…. His property no less, and probably no more!!!

As a former spa employee, I can say that it is not unusual for 16-18 year old girls to work as laundry or “towel” girls. Even in spas mostly attended by women in upper end neighborhoods. It’s kind of an entry level spa job. Now, if there was abuse of the access to such girls… yes, definitely.

Can any reporters ask that?

He's pissed Epstein took a girl he was grooming and then made him pay for it. (Don't read if you just ate lunch) www.documentcloud.org/documents/31...

That part might have been legal. Working age in FL at that time was likely low enough that wasn’t a crime, though their hours might have had to be limited because of school. His statements about Epstein stealing girls as if they are possessions is telling, though.

Because TJT is a sick Perverted piece of Sht.

Right!!?! Plus at the time her name was Virginia Roberts. If Trump had known her, he would have known her as such.

Her parents allowed it?

this is what confuses me. so many people let these girls down, including their own families.

Well, on one hand (and to be fair), what are you going to do with a rebellious teen? On the other hand, these parents were clearly negligent. They threw her away. Poor girl deserved better.

“Why”

How many other adolescent teen girls did Trump hire to work at his massage spa at Mar a Lago? They should look at employment records.

Is that where Ivanka got her start in Trump Inc? With Epstein?

We do know that Epstein said in an interview that the first time Trump ****ed Melania, it was on the "Lolita Express" (Epstein"s plane). The stupidest question in history ever posed to America is if Trump was on Epstein's "client list". It's like an intelligence test.

Bigger question is if the girls in the Moscow Ritz Carlton Obama's old hotel room were Epstein hookers. America got sidetracked looking for a PP video. Trump probably doesn't know if it exists himself. It's how Russian "Kompromat" extortion works It's probably why Epstein is dead, And Ghislaine?

James Comey said Trump never spent the night on Moscow. Eye witnesses say otherwise. Why is Trump lying about it?

I've always said it was a "P" tape, not pee, although he did watch the hookers in Russia...

Trump denies the PP tapes. It is a "hoax". Trump has a lot of hoaxes. Also a lot of criminal felony convictions, failed marriages, bankruptcies, impeachments, fraud and sexual assault judgements, constitutional rights violations, and on bail bond in Georgia. Clearly the world is out to "get" him

Or it's a result of being a life-long criminal swindler who knows how to use corrupt judges, threats & lawsuits against witnesses, an imbalance in a legal system letting millionaires avoid facing justice in a country that puts immigrants in dog kennels for months & deportation for traffic violations

P tape. P for pedophile. It was a p tape. Just not the urination kind of P.

And just exactly why is Obama’s name thrown in there?

Claim is that Trump checked into Ritz Carlton in Moscow to stay in same room Obama slept in so he could defile... therefore, PP tapes with the girls. Trump says it never happened. He also said the letter sent to Epstein didn't exist. Probably didn't. Knowing what we know about Trump, though.

It's all a conspiracy story and Trump says he didn't do it and there are no tapes of him doing it and he never even stayed the night in Moscow. So there's nothing there and it's a hoax. Russia, Russia, Russia. A reporter puts him there for a few days and he texted that he was, but now denies it.

With Trump's stellar character, it's an impossibility that he would ever do such a thing. Right? So make up your own mind. The only shocking thing about this is that a guy like that could ever in a million years be President of a country like this.

Oh, I see. 😉

Ivanka was also trafficked and molested by Drumpf. She also had her GF’s involved in this. Melania was also very involved.

Employment records !!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you’ve got to be kidding .

Yeah, I know. Most of the seasonal workers at Mar a Lago were Baltic states immigrant workers. On the other hand, Trump had many numerous properties around the US and internationally, yet he knew about a 16 year old summer employee well enough to claim to get mad when someone else hired her.

I doubt that republican will look at those record and will work to prevent Democrats from looking at them. Virginia Giuffre was a minor working in a situation that no minor should have been employed in. There were likely other girls put into the same situation.

It was a farm for Epstein’s pedo island. You think Trump honestly wasn’t aware of something going on at his club, yeah right!! He has his micro-managing nose in absolutely EVERYTHING. Nothing happens there without him knowing, come on, America! wake the fuck up!!!

A 16 year old summertime worker in a massage spa where the minimum age for a massage therapist Florida is 18? And he knew her well enough to get mad when she was "poached". The yellow flag is on the field. Something is up.

How many of them work there now?

Good question. I'll bet they were all fired a few weeks ago, but that's my imagination Trump has hired 1800 foreign immigrant workers to work at his clubs and the hotels but he remembered this one American underaged teenager well enough to stop his friendship with Epstein There's something here.

The reported reason for why their friendship broke up is a dispute over a mansion. The real reason is because Epstein stole Virginia away from Trump. That’s why he used the word stole when he described her. He felt that she was his property.

And Virginia's family is irate about Trump saying that. The whole story is a tragedy How is it he even remembers the name of a 16 year old seasonal part time worker from 25 years ago? 3 years after she was "stolen" Trump told the New Yorker he'd known Epstein for 15 years and he's a great guy

Remember the Trump birthday letter to Epstein (coupled with being on an Epstein contributor list) was 2003. Trump's getting caught (again and again) in a bald-faced lie.

that is if they haven’t been wiped out already just as he’s doing now. the smithsonian removing records of his impeachment essentially erasing his place in history as one of the few presidents formally impeached. the next admin might just reinstall what was taken down.

I’m sure there aren’t any; especially now.

I’m sure there aren’t any; especially now.

Indeed. But who is “they?” Pam Bondi’s DoJ? Ron DeSantis’ state police? Unlikely.

The person posting this is right, but the trend is to state children are adult before their time even in light of research that says brains do not mature until mid-late 20s. I worked in a men's grillroom at a country club in high school and all the other waitresses were young and pretty too.

keep asking!

What a SICK MF HE IS!!!!!

why did she bring her friends to do the same thing as she cried about?

They paid her. $200 is a lot of money for a 14 year old.

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No defense of Trump here, but.... Every report I have seen says she was 16, and it is a spa at a golf course wtf is an "adult spa"? Did the perv want pretty young girls around him, ya We don't need to make shit up to make this guy look worse, his entire life of what he has done is more than enough.

Virginia was 16-17. I heard other reports saying that there were some 14 year olds from his Miss Teen USA also working there. Now I can understand these kids working as reception/cleaning staff. But I'm seeing people say they were working as the masseuse. Not sure if accurate. If so, that's creepy.

If true that is 100% creepy and wrong, and again this is no defense. I just think posting stuff like this muddies the waters and gives them ammunition. The facts are damning enough.

Also to be absolutely clear, Believe the victims! If one of them is saying this then I absolutely believe them. I just haven't seen it yet and if someone shows me where they said it then carry on, I will remove my comment.

I completely agree with you, I was just stating what I had seen in passing but can't prove their accuracy. Part of me clings to the hope that it's inaccurate. That he isn't THAT big of a gobshite.

I appreciate you sharing what you have seen. Keep clinging to that hope, these young girls went through enough abuse without this being true too :(

It's not make Ng it up to question this, based on his history and public statements. Remember, this occured during the time Trump was running a 'modeling agency' for teenage girls. Who never got modeling jobs. And it was created with Epstein's help.

It is conjecture, and it is purposely putting a sexual connotation on the spa. Did the perv purposely hire pretty young girls, probably, but I am pretty sure that spa was not a rub and tug.

That you're aware of.

Yes, and if the person (or anyone else) can show me that I am wrong then I will admit that. But at the moment this is nothing but made up crap that is unnecessary. Especially the connotation that the spa was something I have seen literally no one say it was. Not even the victims.

K.

Pretty sure? Based on which of Trump's court cases or statements about his decades of predatory behavior and relationship and guidance from Epstein? The odds are tilted against your 'pretty sure'. At least enough that someone should look into it.

I didn't make the claim, the burden of proof is not on me to prove my point. The burden of proof is on the person making the claims, to which I have seen literally none. Oh but he's a predator. Yes, but that does not make the spa something no one has claimed it was. You understand that right?

And sure, someone should absolutely look into it. But at the same time don't make claims without proof, one more time for those in the back, there is enough verifiable proof he is a monster, we don't need to make shit up.

If only we had MSM reporters with backbones.

I’ve been saying the same thing: Where r our old-time investigative reporters/journalists ala: Woodward & Bernstein?

I wonder what would happen if a law came in banning NDA's...? Finally we'd get some actual answers 🤔

Duhhhhhhh

Well, we do. He's a registered sex offender. Nothing but the best for this administration.

Trump is all, "Hey, I wanted to fuck that little girl, you bad boy Jeff.

Billionaire celebrities.

"SPA"...yah...right.

www.politico.com/story/2016/1...

How many more children were working for the pedo-prez in his spa ?

When I was 15 I couldn't even get a job at the local mall because you had to be 16.

In my home town the Police were in the local pedo cult. They protected the pedo who got me and at least 100 more victims. He has only been questioned once. His police file was 7 inches thick.

Epstein was also working for MOSSAD & as was Robert Maxwell both murdered by MOSSAD because they were spying & setting up sex stings against the worlds most prominent people eg. Prince Andrew

And of course…..

Also…..

&…..

& why :-

The question is, before that: in 2008, why did the FBI take over the Florida case when Epstein was first arrested? Why did Alex Acosta help him get that very light sentence?

It's a cult. They protect each other.

Ask her parents...

Sadly she is now deceased😞

Why was Epstein allowed to be a modern day Caligula and run an Island of Il-repute?

I see you’re new to our planet and haven’t been introduced to money yet!

People should have known about it since this case In 2016 where trump trafficked and assaulted girls. Google "trump epstein 2016 case fact check org" for the full case file.

Yep!

Does POTUS really mean Pedofile of the United States?

Yes

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and why is she dead

Probably because Donald Trump wanted to get her to provide his own "happy endings" if you know what I mean! Yes Trump really is that evil! He even went on Howard Stern's radio show and referred to then teen daughter Ivanka as "a piece of ass"! What kind of a MONSTER would do something like that?

It was their fault. That's the only way Trump knows. Blame the victim. Blame the numbers keeper. Blame Biden. Blame Obama. Blame Hilary. Blame everyone you can to make you feel on top of everything. The Mad King never does anything wrong. Crazy fuck.

Who thinks that way, let alone claim it?? Fucking crazy prick. His narcissistic tendencies never fail. How has nobody ever punched his face in? Bloody nose, black eye, broken teeth...sorry. Went to a happy place for a second there.

That's exactly who he is to the core. A deflecting, delusional conman. He's had the privilege of money and lawyers that have kept him from getting his come-uppins but it's way overdue! Let's all go to your happy place! 😂

Yup that’s his live in a nutshell … get it nut!

Rotten pedorange

Republicans respect and emulate the rapist felon pedophile.

Tell me what other spa owner who is not involved in the day to day management of the Spa knows who and how many under age children are working there. Sounds to me like Mare a Largo was the recruiting ground with trump and his employees working as scouts for Epstein.

1,000%

Listen to the underage girls. Believe the underage girls. Ghislaine called them her "slaves". Ghislaine is a criminal.

Ok. So What did Virginia say about being a 17 year old locker room attendant employed at Mara Lago Resort spa and wellness center, which also provides LICENSED massage therapy like most similar resorts? I’m listening 👂 👂 👂

I've heard what Trump does in locker rooms, from him, he just walks up to the 'girls' and grabs them, his words not mine.

What did Virginia say? Wasn’t this story implying she was a 15 year old giving massages at an “adult spa”? But Wasn’t she a 17 year old locker attendant? Is a resort wellness center normally referred to as an “adult” spa? But Don’t they use licensed therapists? You have 0 questions? Why?

I know what went on in florida, I grew up there, I know what went on there in the 90s, but you'd just go on a crusade to call my story a lie to. You're defending a predator, and blaming a victim. Catholic Libertarian? That makes sense.

So, what went on with Virginia? What did I blame her for? Did she say she was a victim? Isn’t that the story we’re talking about? What did Trump do to her that I’m defending? If you told me your story I would listen but I would ask questions. You’re judging me for asking questions.

I'm judging you? No you've judged yourself plenty, your questions are loaded and meant to give you and edge in the conversation. I'm not going to engage with you anymore, grow a brain and a heart, and get back to working on yourself.

“Was Virginia a 15 year old providing massages at Mara Lago” is not a “loaded question” It’s the entire story. FFS.

Also you just said licensed therapist, not massage therapist, you should get one, the psychology kind, consider it, really. You did not need a license to practice massage in the 80s/90s in Florida except on paper, some resorts have said they required one but that wasn't something they vetted heavy.

Licensed therapist is a common short-hand term to any therapy and we all know we’re talking about massage therapists. Is there any of evidence that Virginia was providing massages? Did she say that? Wasn’t she employed as an attendant? Just not hearing any truth in the story.

It's not like it was now, they often bend the rules and regulations, especially people that have and currently are openly bending the rules and removing regulations.

Was Virginia? That’s the story I’m asking about.

Like he's literally a predator, please grow a brain and a heart.

I believe Trump is involved and I hope it can proven. That aside, if Maxwell is in for 20 years, how is it that no one else was prosecuted? If there were no pedos, what’s her crime? Shame on Bondi for protecting the rich & powerful.

Trump’s a sex predator & pedophile! Only his MAGA base & followers think otherwise & refuses to accept the truth (although some have finally started to wonder & ask for the release of the Epstein files. Dems must do everything in their power to expose all this corruption, abuse of power, & more!!

I'm surprised nobody had fucked Ghislane up by now in prison. Back in the day, child predators would have their asses handed to them

Once he pardons her, he will reward her loyalty with a new seat in his cabinet, perhaps call it 'Countess of Child slavery'? Wouldn't surprise me.

You're right. Its 'girls', not girl. Trump said that Epstein *kept* "stealing" employees, and Trump told him to stop. Trump knew fully well what Epstein was doing, but Epstein was a best friend. Trump could not refer this situation to the police because Trump would also be implicated.

I would think one of the first tenets of journalism is to ask the questions to which the public wants answers. What I see is people pretending to be reporters being paid to get access to public figures so that the 'reporter' can get his/her 5 minutes of fame with no regard to what viewers want.

We need to ask the reporters (On camera)...Why won't reporters ask these questions? It's a simple question "Why was a teenage girl (under the age of 18) hired to work at his resort?" When he denies it, says he didn't know her, says he didn't hire her or never knew she had been hired, then follow up.

We already know, we don't need to ask him these questions, we need to TELL HIM we know why, and then let him try to worm his way out. He'd probably just run away and then ban the reporter 🙄

What a good journalist would do would be to find one or more of the multitudes of workers on that island and ask them questions. Hell, a bad journalist would ask t^mp if he would like to comment on a statement made by one of the Epstein housekeepers. Even if it's a bluff, the reaction would be...

That island must have had a sizeable full-time staff for upkeep and day-to-day operations. I would expect there were guests who are now sweating about any casual interactions they may have had with the staff. You know the workers saw stuff.

I would think one of the first tenets of journalism is to ask the questions to which the public wants answers. What I see is people pretending to be reporters being paid to get access to public figures so that the 'reporter' can get his/her 5 minutes of fame with no regard to what viewers want.

Also note that Ghislaine absolutely hated Princess Diana, & took pleasure as a British royal socialite, making & watching Princess Diana cry. Anyone with any feminine moral decency is an opportunity to break it in half if not kill it. Would not be surprised if dead children & Diana are her doing.

All girls are underage, of age implies recognized womenhood. You may not realize it, but that wording is one of the ways they've been getting away with it for so long.

That is the thing that gets me about the people who are reacting like this is all surprising news about Trump being connected. In order to have that disbelief, implies they disregard the statements of the many victims.. Worse is they do not give the victims the same benefit of the doubt

As a survivor of many things myself, people do not like the inconvenience of having to be either living up to the morals of their Christian values, or inconvenienced being human while living in the rat race. Empathy can be hard to come by, many people blame child rape on children. Love, Escaped

They know. They have known. They don’t actually care. If he’s on the list they’ll claim dems added him.

If true, weird how dems then didn't use it against him and instead let him win the election.

Used it against him? They don’t care. Again, they would just claim it was fake. We need to stop believing that their motivations are what they claim and start believing their motivations are what they show us.

No idea how you got that I was saying I believed their claim, but whatever. My point was that the logic (of making up something to use against him, then not using it) doesn't work.

I agree, but talking about what they say and what they are doing are both good to do. It helps with situational awareness, and understanding what those around you may have learned to rationalize these things. Most of the easily swayed are still in the end easily swayed.

It doesn’t work that way- having spent plenty of time talking to them, you can’t sway them because what they say motivates them, and what they even believe motivates them isn’t what is actually driving their decisions. You’ll just get endless changing rationalisations.

You dont have to sway any of them. They can do that themselves. They will talk to each other, it will come up. EVERYONE listens or respects SOMEONE elses perspective Ideas spread, and they don't just die. MAGA is an idea, it is an easy option for an idea in a system of rationale.

Enjoy chasing the toy they’re putting out for you. It’s almost like you don’t get that this is organised distraction and that it is working…. Apparently VERY well.

Tragic isn't it. Our word is immoral and our beloved Democracy is crumbling before our eyes.... 😢

Our beloved democacy was always this- it was founded by rich white dudes who wanted to protect being rich and privileged. But damn if we weren’t taught a ton of propaganda that it was about “the people” right?

Having knowledge of their rhetoric can help prepare to dismantle said rhetoric. Knowing your enemy is always the best tactic

Again, no. They will endlessly change their rhetoric, and dems endlessly address the new version. Knowing their rhetoric isn’t knowing them. Knowing they’re intentionally keeping you distracted so you don’t build anything of value would be, but it seems folks aren’t there yet. How fascism works.

Look I get it, I really get it. It is frustrating as fuck, but you are stronger than that, so dont give up. 1 in 100 is still 1 more than 0, and 49 'No's' and 1 'Yes' is still a yes

Wild that you assume not playing the game you’ve been told to play is giving up. Or are you actually just pushing for the left to continue to be distracted so we don’t make change?

Not at all. I am saying there is no reason to rule it out in the toolkit for useful tactics. The situations can vary Hell if anything I believe those that are willing and able should get trained with firearms and Emergency First Aid. I just believe violence should be the very last option

I agree!

I can’t understand how they don’t know as in they have been told. But like everything else with them, their sources keep it hidden and they have been programmed to believe everything negative about him is a dem plot twist r hoax. They reinforce that with these fake claims about Hillary and Barack.

When the goal is to keep white supremacy alive in this country *by any means necessary*, it will make sense to you

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I said this when Musk said he was in the files- how could that possibly be “news”?!

Why was a CHILD working at a spa? Release the damn #EpsteinFiles

He’s a pedophile…

And another…, why was Trump upset that Epstein “stole” her. Was she “his”?

The question that republicans refuse to ask, because they don’t want the real answer.

She was actually 17.

You are stating as "fact" that she was 17 the entire time she worked at the massage spa. Do you have any reference for that "fact"? I read that she was 16 at that time. She was 17 when dating Prince Andrew, but that was after she was "stolen" by Epstein.

I watched one of her interviews where she said she was 17 when she met Epstein at mar a loco.

Okay. She was also supposed to be 17 when dating Prince Andrew. So I don't know the exact age she was when she first started working at Mar a Lago. Either way, she was underage.

Never said otherwise.

.....make it better?

No. Just correcting a fact. That’s all.

Nobody cares. Underage girl is underage girl.

Never said otherwise. She was one of the older ones, horrible for all victims.

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Fl Age-Specific Restrictions (1997):. 14 and 15: School Days: Limited to 3 hours per day and 15 hours per week. Non-School Days: Limited to 8 hours per day and 40 hours per week. Hours: Could not work before 7 a.m. or after 7 p.m. (9 p.m. during summer, June 1st to Labor Day).

What were Florida's child labor laws back then? Please provide the case #