Gillibrand's racist criticism of Mamdani isn't okay, but insinuating that she's controlled by AIPAC is antisemitic. Please don't do that. She's controlled by anyone who gives her money!
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It’s the money that’s controlling her it doesn’t matter the religion of the person handing it to her, stop with this antisemitism bullshit
jun 29, 2025, 5:04 pm • 3 0 • view
Why is it antisemitic to think that AIPAC works like the NRA? Or that politicians are controlled by whomever they get money from? And we know that AIPAC condones bigotry now. I simply don’t get it. They are bigots. They give money to politicians. She gets their money. She is being a bigot.
jun 29, 2025, 4:30 pm • 150 3 • view
Gillibrand saying racist shit and not apologizing for it is because she is a racist. Not because she received secret orders from a Jewish group.
jun 29, 2025, 4:55 pm • 20 0 • view
Republican politicians SINCERELY believe in NRA bullshit. Now we find Democrats SINCERELY ARE anti-Muslim bigots. There are groups that approve of anti-Muslim bigotry that affect our elections just like NRA did. Nobody with similar pull protects groups subject to bigotry. It is a big problem.
jun 29, 2025, 5:05 pm • 46 1 • view
Probably should have been a wakeup call when the Obama state department guy told a halal cart worker he wished he could have killed more children. abcnews.go.com/US/former-ob...
jun 29, 2025, 6:10 pm • 20 3 • view
We don’t get clarity from morally disordered people who use their identity in their moral disorder (even if people like this do join together sometimes to do this). People do this about Muslims all the time! They find one Muslim who did or said a bad thing, then use it against all Muslims.
jun 29, 2025, 6:22 pm • 13 1 • view
Not just any state dept guy. Responsible for Israel-Palestine affairs iirc
jun 29, 2025, 10:03 pm • 3 0 • view
yes all jews drink the blood of christian children
jun 30, 2025, 8:53 am • 0 0 • view
I don’t think received ‘secret orders.’ Much more like someone she knows sincerely told her of their own, highly misinformed, alarm. But to politicians, the influence of such groups makes it cost-free to slander Muslims. Just like NRA makes it cost-free to flog guns. That’s the problem.
jun 29, 2025, 5:01 pm • 8 0 • view
Is it not anti semitic to refer to AIPAC as “a Jewish group.” Most people wouldn’t refer to the NRA or many other right wing lobbying groups in the US as “Christian groups.”
jun 29, 2025, 7:43 pm • 0 0 • view
They support a specific interest. They are not there to make things good in America for American Jewish people. There are there to make things good for Israel. (Depending on one's perspective this is not 'good' for any humans but it makes sure Israel can do endless war and 'win' them, kind of.)
jun 29, 2025, 7:50 pm • 5 0 • view
Yes, they largely function to promote US backed wars in the Middle East, stemming back many decades now.
jun 29, 2025, 8:03 pm • 4 0 • view
I see no reason to think it won't go on forever. Anyone who doesn't want to saddle every future child with this endless violence should try to stop it.
jun 29, 2025, 8:05 pm • 1 0 • view
I mean, they are effectively Christian nationalist groups, lol. AIPAC is a lobbyist for Israel, which identifies itself as the Nation State of the Jewish people. It's not actually a "Jewish group" but antisemites conflate those two things. Which was my point.
jun 29, 2025, 11:47 pm • 1 0 • view
AIPAC is not a Jewish group in that they do not represent the interests of Jewish people. They are a lobbying arm of the government of Israel. The government of Israel also being a group that does not represent Jewish people as a whole.
jun 29, 2025, 5:40 pm • 17 0 • view
Of course. None of these lobbying groups is out there getting opinions from those they claim to represent. They are run for and by a highly specific interest group. A money funnel. We saw this with the NRA.
jun 29, 2025, 6:08 pm • 4 0 • view
Clearly she’s racist, but she’s expending political capital to make an attack on Mamdani because he is anti-Zionist. The money she gets from AIPAC is offered to her because she consistently defends Israel. It is not antisemitic to acknowledge reality- Israel pays American lawmakers to defend them.
jun 29, 2025, 5:07 pm • 12 0 • view
jun 29, 2025, 5:11 pm • 0 0 • view
A *Zionist Group. AIPAC does not represent Jewish people. It doesn't matter if AIPAC members are Jewish themselves, they do not speak for the entire diaspora. Their job is to be a foreign lobby for ISR. Don't help them blur the lines between race and politics like AIPAC wants.
jun 29, 2025, 5:28 pm • 24 1 • view
I am sad for people who are genuinely afraid when they don’t have to be. There is genuine confusion in this country about what is real and what is not. Not everyone manipulated by fear is necessarily a bad person. But this is causing danger for all of us. So we simply have to say the truth.
jun 29, 2025, 5:33 pm • 5 0 • view
It's gotten easier in recent years because a lot of the bullshit propaganda that was weaponized for decades has lost it's bluntness and impact now. And it's generational too, because folks even younger than me don't buy it. Some of us were able to break out of it. As we can see others haven't.
jun 29, 2025, 5:36 pm • 3 0 • view
Because AIPAC isn't directing Gillibrand. And saying it is promotes the antisemitic trope of a cabal of Jewish people controlling the government. The largest lobbying group for Israel is run by Christians. There's a reason people bring up AIPAC and not CUFI 🤷
jun 29, 2025, 4:54 pm • 4 0 • view
Does CUFI have influence over Democrats? We know AIPAC must be having influence over Democrats. They can get them drummed out of office. We already saw this. And you’re saying that we cannot be concerned about this with our own representatives because it makes US bigots if we express concern?
jun 29, 2025, 5:12 pm • 2 0 • view
Stop it! I’m Jewish and it isn’t antisemitic at all. AIPAC spent $43+M lobbying in 2024, $25M of which went to Democrats. Dems who take money from them are coincidently the same Dems that blindly support Israel and who are going after Mamdani. CUFI didn’t even make the top 10 list. 1/2
jun 29, 2025, 6:00 pm • 10 0 • view
Fun exercise—look at the top Democratic recipients of AIPAC funds on this list & compare to the folks currently smearing Mamdani — Jeffries & Gillibrand are top 10 — do you think it’s a coincidence? www.opensecrets.org/orgs/america...
jun 29, 2025, 6:00 pm • 5 0 • view
I mean, surely you see a difference between saying AIPAC lobbying impacts politicians' stances and sarcastically implying that Gillibrand needs permission from AIPAC to do anything, right? The latter aligns very closely with long-used antisemitic tropes.
jun 29, 2025, 8:07 pm • 2 0 • view
I’ve said similar things about gun nuts needing permission from the NRA, Clarence Thomas needing permission from Harlan Crow before issuing opinions, and I certainly have commented on who & what $250M bought Elon Musk, none of which is antisemitic, wouldn’t you agree? I disagree that 1/2
jun 29, 2025, 8:44 pm • 6 0 • view
something I say about other types of politicians and lobbyists becomes antisemitic when said to/about a foreign policy lobbying org for Israel. 2/2
jun 29, 2025, 8:44 pm • 4 0 • view
It's not islamaphobic to call out Christians by saying they're on a pointless crusade but it is islamophobic to falsely imply that a man who's Muslim 'condones global jihad'. There's a different history of the two terms.
jun 29, 2025, 8:52 pm • 2 0 • view
Context is important. We have decades of white supremacists claiming Jewish people are secretly pulling the strings and controlling the government. And using those lies to gin up hatred. And AIPAC doesn't force anyone to say racist shit! That is on Gillibrand. As is her refusal to apologize.
jun 29, 2025, 11:51 pm • 2 1 • view
People on Bluesky are well-informed for the most part, at least all those I interact with. They are very aware this is not about Jewish people controlling politics or being bigots against Muslims but about a screwed up political system that certain harmful PACs have taken advantage of.
jun 30, 2025, 12:41 am • 2 0 • view
Okay.
jun 30, 2025, 12:51 am • 0 0 • view
The white supremacists are a major threat but also aligned with the politicians that get money from AIPAC so I don’t think calling out AIPAC is going to amplify their message.
jun 30, 2025, 12:38 am • 1 0 • view
It's totally possible to say AIPAC's defense of genocidal policies is horrific without pushing a ZOG style trope.
jun 30, 2025, 12:44 am • 2 0 • view
Saying that a politician has to ask for permission from AIPAC to apologize isn't "calling out AIPAC". It's saying that the politician said racist things because of AIPAC and now aren't apologizing because AIPAC is controlling them. These are two very different things.
jun 30, 2025, 12:43 am • 2 0 • view
I’m getting disturbed just looking at the AIPAC list. WTF, man. Why is this normal that they give this much money to so many politicians. It’s all very unsettling. How are we supposed to have good government with this going on? www.politico.com/news/2024/06...
jun 30, 2025, 12:36 am • 0 0 • view
Did you really feel like the poster seriously thought AIPAC was FORCING Gillibrand to act a certain way and be horrible, or was he sarcastically calling her a sell-out? I mean c’mon—we cannot be this sensitive. There are actual scary antisemites in the closets echelons of US power—this isn’t that.
jun 30, 2025, 12:44 am • 0 0 • view
I think the poster didn't think critically about what they were saying. And at a time when antisemitism is being promoted by our government, we should be thinking critically about those things. How is Gillibrand a "sell-out" by saying racist things? Who is she selling herself out to? Big Racism?
jun 30, 2025, 12:48 am • 1 0 • view
I mean, if there were an organization that spent millions of dollars promoting racism, islamaphobia, and antisemitism, it would be AIPAC. There's a lot more than just one, but AIPAC is quite prolific in the field of public racism studies.
jun 30, 2025, 1:25 am • 1 0 • view
Please go read some history. Alleging that Jews have outsized control is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes. Gillibrand is a political opportunist who will say what she thinks wins her votes and/or donations, and AIPAC is one of many lobby groups. www.facinghistory.org/sites/defaul...
jun 29, 2025, 6:14 pm • 1 0 • view
Me? Do I think Jews have outsized control? NO. They don’t, and they never did. But AIPAC gives her a lot of money and so she has nothing to lose from voicing her own bigotry. Do you REALLY think US politics works well when this is the situation? It looks like a disaster to me.
jun 29, 2025, 6:20 pm • 4 0 • view
I agree with all of what you said. I was objecting to language that sarcastically implied that Gillibrand had to check anything she said with AIPAC, which DOES imply outsized control.
jun 29, 2025, 8:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Not about Jews. SHE'S ignorant and bigoted. She doesn't have to worry about anything she does if she gets lots of campaign donations and has certain groups protecting her. That would include crypto and AIPAC. They'd probably make an alliance because keeping weak people in office helps them both.
jun 29, 2025, 8:17 pm • 2 0 • view
My point: AIPAC advocates for the government of a state with a predominantly Jewish population, so let's avoid anything that aligns with antisemitic tropes when criticizing AIPAC or AIPAC-aligned politicians. There are plenty of other ways to criticize them.
jun 29, 2025, 8:28 pm • 1 0 • view
AIPAC has too much power in US politics. They can make or break an election. It's how our system is structured that is the problem. It's destroying democracy. No politicians can speak out without dooming themselves so we must. Gillibrand is one of their closest allies. forward.com/news/580248/...
jun 29, 2025, 8:46 pm • 5 0 • view
I agree with all that and still stand by my original point that the original comment was too close to antisemitic tropes in a way that adds fuel for the "all criticism of Israel is antisemitic" fire.
jun 29, 2025, 8:53 pm • 1 0 • view
And being careless with antisemitic tropes while calling out islamophobia really undermines the point! Look at how much breath we've wasted about AIPAC when the problem we all want fixed is Gillibrand's islamophobia!
jun 29, 2025, 8:55 pm • 1 0 • view
But you said she's controlled by anyone who gives her money...and AIPAC gives her money? Or are there other people who don't want to give her money who want her to apologize? Sure, she probably came to bigoted conclusions on her own...but I still don't get it.
jun 29, 2025, 8:59 pm • 2 0 • view
Conflating a genocidally racist and fascist pro-Israel group like AIPAC with Jews in general is extremely antisemitic. You should stop being antisemitic, Tyler.
jun 29, 2025, 6:24 pm • 1 0 • view
Is your argument that she's just deeply racist and that's why AIPAC likes her?
jun 29, 2025, 10:01 pm • 7 0 • view
My argument is just that it's extremely important to avoid antisemitic tropes with a wide berth, especially when criticizing islamophobia. I'm sure that AIPAC money affects Gillibrand's stances but that's different from sarcastically implying that she has to run everything by AIPAC first.
jun 29, 2025, 10:06 pm • 1 0 • view
That wouldn't be antisemitic, in the same way it's fine to say about Republicans checking with the NRA before saying something. AIPAC is a lobbying group. What's antisemitic would be to claim that Jews in general are doing it, or that Jews control the government. Those are both antisemitic lies.
jun 29, 2025, 10:09 pm • 4 0 • view
Or... She's controlled by whomever has a demonstrable quid pro quo. I give money to elections without expectation i'll get much in exchange but trying to beat the politician/party I don't want.
jun 29, 2025, 10:55 pm • 0 0 • view
Insinuating that she is controlled by AIPAC is not Antisemitic. Its a statement of fact. Give me a clue, which of these Democrats who are condemning Mamdani are not controlled by AIPAC.
jun 29, 2025, 7:10 pm • 5 0 • view
It's literally her top contributer. If it was Shell I'd say she was controlled by Shell. What bigotry would you say I was committing then?
jun 29, 2025, 5:03 pm • 23 0 • view
1. Gillibrand is an opportunist and she'd burn her top donors in a second if she thought it would help her politically. 2. There's hundreds of years of history of false allegations of outsized Jewish control. This trope was used to justify the holocaust. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pro...
jun 29, 2025, 6:25 pm • 0 0 • view
Lol yeah saying a lobbyist controls a candidate is just like protocols of Zion you giant idiot.
jun 29, 2025, 6:34 pm • 8 0 • view
You know what. Fuck you.
jun 29, 2025, 6:35 pm • 4 0 • view
Wow, what a riposte. I'm really re-evaluating my thinking now.
jun 29, 2025, 7:24 pm • 0 0 • view
I don't give a shit what you think you pompous asshole.
jun 29, 2025, 7:31 pm • 2 0 • view
AIPAC is no more "Jewish" than Jerry Falwell was a "Christian". Those terms are masks used by opportunists as camouflage. Conflating Zionists with Jews is antisemitic by definition, especially considering that there are far more non-Jewish Zionists than there are Jewish Zionists.
jun 29, 2025, 7:50 pm • 13 1 • view
I've never made any claim that AIPAC represents Jews. But there are certainly Jews who work for AIPAC so it's still not okay to use antisemitic tropes to criticize AIPAC's lobbying. There are so many other ways to criticize AIPAC so why stoop to antisemitism?
jun 29, 2025, 7:56 pm • 0 0 • view
The only antisemitism here is the link to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that you posted.
jun 29, 2025, 7:59 pm • 10 0 • view
Why would she make such dreadful anti-Muslim statements?
jun 29, 2025, 4:25 pm • 7 0 • view
Her top contributor was AIPAC She took in nearly half a million from them + She's an islamophobe
jun 29, 2025, 4:30 pm • 10 1 • view
Why does Gillibrand do anything? Political opportunism.
jun 29, 2025, 6:16 pm • 0 0 • view
No, it’s AIPAC and this isn’t anti-Semitic. This is about foreign influence. Get over yourself.
jun 29, 2025, 5:29 pm • 4 0 • view
AIPAC money comes from foreigners? In what world?
jun 30, 2025, 1:06 am • 0 0 • view
AIPAC gives her money tho so
jun 29, 2025, 6:01 pm • 5 0 • view
It isn't antisemitism to point out that someone is corrupt
jun 30, 2025, 11:09 am • 4 0 • view
And… AIPAC gives her money! Nobody is saying AIPAC has a mind control ray. Gillibrand would stand in the chamber and support ISIS if they paid her enough, which IS THE problem.
jun 29, 2025, 8:22 pm • 7 1 • view
The original comment I was responding to literally sarcastically suggested that Gillibrand has to run all of her comments by AIPAC.
jun 29, 2025, 8:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Yea. Because AIPAC gave her $1 million, so she does what they want her to do.
jun 29, 2025, 9:08 pm • 9 0 • view
I mean, if you don’t know that the politicians that receive the most AIPAC funding are also the ones who refuse to condemn Israel’s war crimes then I don’t know what to tell you.
jun 29, 2025, 9:46 pm • 2 0 • view
"She's controlled by anyone who gives her money!" AIPAC gives here a TON. Which means by your own logic here Gillibrand is controlled by AIPAC. AIPAC is not a group that represents all Jewish people. They represent the right in Israel. It is antisemitic to say they represent all Jewish people.
jun 29, 2025, 5:38 pm • 9 0 • view
Please read up on antisemitic tropes. You've really missed the point here. No one here said AIPAC represents all Jews.
jun 29, 2025, 6:36 pm • 0 0 • view
AIPAC constantly say they represent all Jews. They are a racist organization.
jun 29, 2025, 8:14 pm • 5 0 • view
AIPAC is antisemitic. They gave Elon a pass for doing sieg heils on live TV and boosting neo nazi twitter accounts. Suggesting that they have political influence is not even in the same universe as that.
jun 29, 2025, 7:36 pm • 6 0 • view
I think you're confusing AIPAC with the ADL's open embrace of fascism. www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/... Feel free to point me to it if AIPAC did the same, but I couldn't find anything with a google search. The antisemitic part is the implication that AIPAC fully controls Gillibrand.
jun 29, 2025, 7:42 pm • 0 0 • view
Just to be clear, I'm not defending AIPAC, just trying to sort out facts. AIPAC has done plenty of lobbying for genocide.
jun 29, 2025, 7:43 pm • 0 0 • view
AIPAC is a corrosive force in politics and they use money and messaging to support and oppose candidates as they chose like any other lobby. It's not a antisemitic conspiracy, it's just is how PAC funds work. They also love to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism which is bs.
jun 29, 2025, 9:12 pm • 6 0 • view
AIPAC is her largest campaign donor. www.opensecrets.org/members-of-c...
jun 29, 2025, 9:58 pm • 14 1 • view
Yep, and identifying that AIPAC probably played into her comments on Mamdani is straightforward. That doesn't need to be stated in a way that aligns with age-old antisemitic tropes.
jun 29, 2025, 10:08 pm • 0 0 • view
There’s no trope there, Tyler. The person basically said the exact same thing that you just admitted. JFC.
jun 29, 2025, 10:20 pm • 2 0 • view
There's a lot of daylight in between what I said and what the original comment said. One falsely implies outsized control--Gillibrand does not run every single comment by a donor that represents 4% of her contributions--which is a centuries-old trope.
jun 30, 2025, 2:54 am • 0 0 • view
Dude. FFS. There was no fucking trope. You're beating a dead horse. Get the fuck over yourself.
jun 30, 2025, 12:32 pm • 1 0 • view
And comprises most of her ideological contributions, and contributions in all.
jun 29, 2025, 10:06 pm • 4 0 • view
AIPAC is a conservative group and can be criticized as such just like any conservative group.
jun 29, 2025, 5:21 pm • 16 0 • view
I have no fondness for AIPAC and would stand behind any critcism of their lobbying that doesn't align with antisemitic tropes. Lobbying to support the Israeli government's genocide in Gaza and pull us into an unnecessary war with Iran is corrosive.
jun 29, 2025, 6:33 pm • 0 0 • view
AIPAC employs anti-semitic tropes in making themselves the poster children for "criticism of Israel = anti-semitism" issue. And that's what this discussion is *about. They are responsible, not the people pointing to their actions and disinfo.
jun 29, 2025, 6:47 pm • 8 1 • view
jun 29, 2025, 5:25 pm • 0 0 • view
What the hell do you think aipac gives her money for? It is a pro-Israel lobby group. People are criticizing her for her Islamophobia and support of Israeli genocide, both of which you are conflating Jewish identity. You are the only one in this conversation expressing antisemitic views.
jun 29, 2025, 4:30 pm • 27 1 • view
AIPAC literally puts out statement after every election crowing about how much they spent and how many of their candidates won. Stop calling criticism of an open Israeli lobbying operation antisemitic.
jul 4, 2025, 12:21 pm • 0 0 • view
Stop ignoring the point and pretending I'm calling all criticism of AIPAC antisemitic. Thanks.
jul 4, 2025, 2:05 pm • 0 0 • view
You had no conceivable point other than how I interpreted it
jul 4, 2025, 3:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Try harder and see what you can come up with!
jul 4, 2025, 3:38 pm • 0 0 • view
If accurately describing AIPAC sounds antisemitic to you, maybe it's time to admit that AIPAC is actually antisemitic
jun 29, 2025, 5:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Ffs stop labeling everything antisemitic
jun 29, 2025, 7:40 pm • 18 0 • view
Swing and a miss for Tyler
jun 29, 2025, 5:51 pm • 9 0 • view
What if AIPAC is giving her money? Is it ok to insinuate that she’s controlled by them then?
jun 29, 2025, 5:23 pm • 1 0 • view
No it's not. AIPAC represents the interests of a state, Israel, not all adherents to a faith. You are a bad person and will never see God.
jun 29, 2025, 4:48 pm • 14 1 • view
lol
jun 29, 2025, 7:09 pm • 1 0 • view
Get a clue They are controlled by their donors whether that be AIPAC, crypto NRA etc. Why is it ok for Jeffries to appear on TV launching attack on Mamdani> How is that anti semitic?
jun 29, 2025, 4:42 pm • 1 0 • view