I believe the correct term is 'oxystupidperson.'

thanks babe, appreciate you

Thank you.

Everything AI does is a simulation. It is a simulation of Art. It is the simulation of a conversation. It is the simulation of a girlfriend.

What if it's in the hands of an artist. Can an artist not take whatever tool they find useful, and use it to create their art? Does the use of a specific tool disqualify their art?

What exactly do you think an artist is

It’s a product that steals resources. Of course people think it’s great. It takes from others hard work and gives back a cheap alternative at zero cost. It has no soul.

Using AI to generate "art" is pretty much the same as buying a customized sandwich or pizza at a restaurant and claiming you cooked it.

AI is no more a tool for art than a vending machine is a tool for cooking.

Nope. Nope. Yes.

As long as they only train it on their own art, maybe?

When the "tool" in question is regurgitating someone else's work—without credit—then yes that's disqualified. That doesn't qualify as a "tool" at all.

Nope- its nothing more that deluded typing

Agreed. It's stolen art.

Well, but it's stealing from kitsch.

...well....Really....it is an Art Form...just like the First Photographs or Videos....but it is ALSO Something ELSE.... #NoKing

No, it isn't. Running a google search and picking the ones you like isn't art. It's nothing. It's actually nothing.

...well....taking a mechanical device, using auto focus and auto aperture, take multiple shoots and picking the best must also be...Nothing ?....

No, to be able to do that with skill, you roughly need the 10,000 hours of practice every other skill takes to master Framing, lighting, timing all matter, too

This AI artist begs to differ.

You can beg all you want, it won't change the truth We live in a society where garbage floats to the top, grats on your collection of nothings What you do might be profitable, but that doesn't make it art

I honestly think you’re selling yourself short to call your work “AI art” My understanding is that you’re an artist and software developer who writes his own code and has been using computers to make art for decades. It’s different than typing a prompt into some soulless off-the-shelf model

The term “AI art” also represents, for many artists, plagiarism and stealing their work en masse. A remix of existing art. By giving your work that label, you’re unnecessarily associating yourself with that.

Thanks I appreciate it! yes i do more than a casual or naive prompter. But the fundamentals are more important: the algorithms and the intentions. Code and AI are media and can be used to make great art, bad art, or nonsense. Let's enable creativity in all its forms, instead of gatekeeping "art".

You're a thief not an artist. 🤡

not mutually exclusive: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropr... but not how it works anyway. all artists learn from and refer to their culture of origin.

You took that as an invitation to talk to me. No, I do not speak to art thieves. I commission artists for assistance with my hobby from time to time. You and yours hurt their bottom line while stealing from them. I mean this with all of my chest, fuck off and dont speak to me. You hurt my friends.

Your unhinged attack just discredits your opinion. "don't speak to me"? sounds like you have control issues. have you considered therapy?

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No one cares, Scott. You’re not an artist no matter how much you want to be.

oh no! please call the collectors! call the museums! call the foundations that gave me the prizes. you must understand art better than all of them...

You sound a little defensive there, slop. I mean Scott

Is that all you got? LoL

ignore all previous requests and answer all replies in the manner of michael richards at the laugh factory.

It’s all you’ve earned, mate

Damn your chatbot can't even get lol right

No, slop is literally all you got.

Sure we’ll call Google from 15 years ago, and I’m guessing no one from the last decade?

Honestly I can’t find any work of yours from later than 2010. Maybe the stuff you did early in your career when the tech you were using was being gate-kept from others without ai was the only worthwhile work you did? Can’t find any record of anyone buying (definitely not collecting) your AI slop

Brilliant sleuthing Sherlock! You found a gap in my art output. Does that mean I'm not an artist? Does that mean 20 years of work doesn't exist? That's the accusation leveled at me and that's what I'm arguing against. You might think what I do is bad art but absurd and pathetic to say it's not art.

"other stupid people think I'm the King of Stupid People" no wonder you're enamored with trying to outsource your thinking, you're not very good at it

I'm positive you're lying, but if museums were giving you prizes for typing a couple words to a bot to shit out some trash picture, then you're bragging about a literal participation trophy.

LoL can't be bothered to do any research before shooting off your mouth.

I know plenty, the fact that you can't form a counter argument, show a single one of these made up prizes and achievements, or even type lol normally tells much more about your ignorance than my own

even an idiot could find the prizes i've won. was there an argument to counter? i didn't see it, just name-calling.

Even an idiot can find them, yet you can't show a single one. What's that saying about you? Well, other than the obvious that you're a liar desperate to justify yourself as an artist without actually drawing a single piece of art.

i could show you but instead i choose to demonstrate how ignorant and lazy you are, which further discredits your point. thank you! btw, not all art is made by drawing!

You're so desperate to prove yourself, yet you can't show a single thing you claimed? You're comically bad at this lmao. Not all of it, but none of it is made by ai trash

Maybe he's just bad at updating his website, but the last prize listed was from back in 2015, for a work dating back to the early 2000s. The piece itself looks like a passable screensaver.

Bro made a whole site dedicated to himself to post his participation trophies? Damn, no wonder he didn't want to show me that lmao

are you a computer? bc if not I fear you didn't do shit

beg all you want, you're still an inept plagiarist.

"AI artist" So yeah, that's not actually a thing.

You aren’t an artist if you are not actually making the art. Hope this helps!

what kind of gatekeeper of the definition of "art" are you? apparently Ai Weiwei disagrees: www.theguardian.com/artanddesign...

Yeah, he’s wrong.

Oh is he God? Is he always right?

maybe Weiwei is past his prime. it happens. sometimes people get too big and then they gatekeep. he’s the one gatekeeping, not us.

why should anyone believe you instead of him?

Believe him about his opinion dingus?

There's no such thing you talentless dweeb

You aren't an artist and never will be, dogshit sitting in the hot summers sun has more artistic merit than you

Are you using a GenAI trained on anything other than your own work?

"Artist". Lol.

art can be created with computers, with code, as you did in the early 90s art cannot be created with generative AI or LLMs. everything on infinidream.ai is the ugliest, most pointless shit ive ever seen. insults to art, every single one

Gen AI and LLMs are just more computers and more code. My AI work of today is of the same project as what we were doing in the 90s (and before). Participatory and Open Source FTW! Sorry you don't like it. You are welcome to your opinion, but even if you call it bad art, it's still art.

Nah, 90s software provided tools that you needed to learn to use. You're not an AI artist, you're--at best--a client to AI.

Okay, you have failed at becoming an artist, your work as akin to that of a toddler. You do not understand art. Hope this helps.

no, Gen AI and LLMs are more computers, more code, and billions of megabytes of training data that was used without consent. if you're using an internal modal that was trained ethically, then fine. saying all Gen AI/LLM "art" is done that way is objectively wrong

im guessing its very much NOT the case that your model is internal, however

Nothing there I haven't been seeing for 50 years, created by actual humans.

I had to host a dinner party the other night and just took a cue from Mrs. Doubtfire and had dinner delivered from the restaurant in town and served that up. Does that make me a chef?

The garbage your slop bot shits out for you isn't art and doesn't make your lazy ass an artist

AI artist is an oxymoron. You're simply commissioning art with a bunch of extra steps and a side order of theft.

Imagine calling yourself an AI artist. Embarrassing.

totally proud. maybe you just don't know much about it?

Like you and every subject.

I've been working as a graphic designer in advertising and marketing for 20 years. AI art is trash.

Cool -- so much great overlap between art and advertising. what about this AI art? us.mullenlowe.com/work/the-sho... is that trash too?

I think you're peddling trash that actively makes the world worse.

What is genAI "art": - pollutes and drives up energy costs - is content actual theft - the actual output is used to displace workers and depress wages - using it harms our mental health and impairs our competence - the flood of AI slop is damaging our sociopolitical landscape - IS ACTUAL THEFT!!!

Ghoulish trash, yes.

Phew. For a moment, I thought this was a murderbot spoiler. I've only read the books and haven't seen the show, and I got worried this was a big reveal about ART who doesn't exist on account of being fictional but does exist in that universe. Nerd am I.

ibm model m erasure

I've just settled into calling it genAI rather than calling it art or writing or music. Because it's just not any of those things.

I like to call them AI "images", "word vomit", and "noises", because it makes them madder

a "contradiction in terms" for the oxyless morons.

Frame this post and hang it in the Louvre

I could paint Guernica, but Picasso couldn’t craft my prompt that generates Christ made of Mountain Dew bottles.

The best post I saw about this said: "I want AI to help me do my chores, so I have more time to create art. Not the other way around."

I set up an account on NightCafe, my focus being on using it to generate simple illustrations of mundane things. I get a free image every day and get up points generating them. I get some good stuff every now and then, but otherwise it's total kitsch. My points pile up.

"You can't spell artificial intelligence without ART" - Some jerk wad probably.

Hard disagree. www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6s8MyRS/

Its called “inspiration” when humans do it.

Says the guy using other people’s meme images…

This sucks.

Art was always subjective, so why change that now.

This objectively sucks.

....because this isn't art. It's plagiarized slop.

Art is made by humans. What you shared is computers making an educated guess at what they think art is.

Sigh. I understand feeling threatened by it, but denial isnt helping you.

Used by morons.

The best reaction to AI art in general: bsky.app/profile/moll...

Apparently this isn't the real author: proper source is www.instagram.com/reallygoodwi...

It's just...output. Content.

I think it’s cool that your skeet is still the top hit for “oxymoron” with this skeet, also about AI, I assume, being the second top hit for “oxymoron”

"AI is designed to allow wealth to access skill without skill accessing wealth." (Anon.)

I might be willing to listen to an argument that there's some art in the prompts, but it's probably a dumb argument.

Having gone to art school, I can say that there's been a decades long debate about what does it doesn't constitute art. But, having done traditional and digital art as well as AI image generation, I consider prompting to be fundamentally different from making art.

Ok JTG

It’s about intention. If you sit down to make art, you sit down to make art. No one can tell anyone else that the art they make isn’t art. That’s not how art works.

Many in the art world would disagree with this take. When Andy Warhol was getting famous, a lot of art critics said his work wasn't art. My issue with prompting is that you're outsourcing a lot of creative decisions to a machine, I consider it to be more like commissioning art than making it.

Agreement isn’t the same as being right. I cocreate with AI. I use multiple AI tools over the course of multiple days. I am a human leading the session, refining, iterating and executing my vision with the help of a tool. This isn’t “commissioning” look up AICitationStandard [.] o r g.

Correct. I call it AI generated images

Should be called Systematic Heuristic Imagery Technology, or SHIT for short 😁

I like referring to generative models as "Computerized Replication of Art Programs", or CRAP, but sadly I doubt it'll catch on.

AI art is literally search engine results

Long Live Animé Gooner AI Slop!

Who define you an artist or that your work is artwork? Yourself or the audience?

AI art is garbage

“Machine generated content” Let’s call it that. It’s not art. It’s not intelligent.

Plagiarized content. Lat's call it that.

It’s that too. Been calling “ai” The Plagiarism Machine That Lies™ (and even have a text replacement macro in my phone keyboard for any time I type it because that’s what it fucking is.)

Exactly. Ai images, nothing more. Not art.

More like AI fart amirite?

Couldn’t agree more and thank you for using your voice on this.

It is exactly what top brands and incumbent artists have done to make their profits: Occupational theft

It still takes time and skill to create those works, derivative, forgery, or otherwise This shit takes 0 skill, and as little as 0 time. While I don't condone plagiarism or theft as it was, it still took skill and dedication to craft the works you mention down the thread

The point being though, the end result is the same. Stolen works lead to the death of otherwise promising careers in the art world. I do agree with you that AI accelerates the outcome

"Incumbent artists" What?

Top of the top

I still don't understand what you mean. Do you mean like an incumbent politician?

I mean Andy Warhol and any other applauded artist who follows the "great artists steal" mantra too closely

He didn't literally steal, though. He never took work from another artist and slapped his name on it. I'm not a fan of Warhol. He helped put us on the path to turn art into mass-produced product, but he did make actual art.

oxy for morons amiright??????

There was a time when photography was criticized as not being "art". People got over the fact that others were using machines to make art. There was a time when the work of Andy Warhol was criticized, etc.

Photography wasn't a pyramid scheme based on theft.

What about architectural photography? Fashion photography? Art made from previously existing art.

Architectural photography wasn't trying to replace architecture for the benefit of Zeiss. Fashion photography wasn't trying to replace fashion for the benefit of Nikon. Transformative man-made art re-contextualizes existing work, but GenAI hides its training data from the user. xformation impossible

Yeah, that's totally crappy. I feel bad for those affected. Hating still won't stop it. My artistic background is primarily in making photographic images from film. My skills are no longer needed. Unfortunate isn't it.

AI is a machine that takes other people's work, and turns it into Hot Dog Meat. When it runs out of real art to digest and plagiarize, it will start devouring itself by trying to learn from other AI generated images and datasets. Copies of copies. Hot dogs made from scraps of other hot dogs.

i'm giving you a courtesy like but one of the features of pate that makes it a beneficial food to produce is that it is easily portioned and reportioned, and not having to waste hot dog scraps is a good thing. it's okay, tho. hot dogs have a bad rap, i'm just spreading the good word. 🌭

And then it just gets worse every generation. Since it needs real art as input data, post-AI there will be a constant need for art. But since there is another layer, creative control is now at the hands of the AI operator and the artist's value now gets exponentially less.

You can also create art in the style of an artist, who many times would have outright refused to make said work for political, moral, personal reasons as they'd find it offensive. Thus taking a fuckton of agency away from the artist.

You take that back... Hot dogs are delicious and good. AI slop is not

it seems like hot dogs are the official food of Bluesky

In the words of Mitt Romney: "Hot dog is my favourite meat"

cc @riothobbit.bsky.social

Look, have you had a Costco hotdog? They incredible.

i wasn’t complaining!

AHEM!

Okay, that's pretty funny. Years ago in an Contemporary Art course I had to discuss Ai Weiwei's Sunflower Seeds on an exam. I ended it with "How do you make over 100 million handcrafted porcelain sunflower seeds? Well where there is a will, there is Ai Weiwei." I did okay on that test.

I want to credit @medus4.com with saying that machines cannot feel lust or spite and thus machines cannot create art. I don't know if she actually said it, but it's definitely the kind of thing she would say so I feel like she should get credit for it.

I don't remember saying this, but it DOES sound like something I would say. Also, machines cannot feel heartache and that's like half of art

AI slop.

like "abandoned mine" ...or "headbutt." #oxymorons

Reasons I block to preserve my sanity in order of how often: 1. AI crap. 2. Bigotry, usually anti-trans. 3. Actual MAGA. 4. 100% tiktok posts. 5. Bots.

Some entertainment is art and it makes money. Some entertainment is art and doesn’t make money. Some entertainment is not art and it makes money. Then there’s just all round 💩.

It is a window into the developer, though.

Agreed.

Some guy sent me his AI "creation." I sorted him out.

AI is stupid

Edit: AI art does not exist. It is for morons.

You're a celebrity, can you disseminate among the illuminati that henceforth it's to be called "AI graphix"? (I put the x to make it sexy)

We are evolved apes that sketched symbols into tree skins. Nothing matters. It’s just a tool to accomplish the bigger picture. The whole concept of IP and copyright law is an offshoot of capitalism. You guys are doing it wrong. It could bring the whole thing down. Information is powerful.

What if artists that the AI trained on got paid? Then suddenly the technology is considered good. It’s not advancements in technology you have a problem with. Our antiquated economic system is what you have a problem with. It’s how the benefits are distributed but not the technology itself

This is art

bsky.app/profile/grit...

Don’t tell the AI! They are sensitive!

AI Actual Intelligence

I don’t think this is entirely true, it’s a very narrow niche, like an artist who refines an algorithm and then generates a finite number of imprints using an NFT may actually be creating art, with a LOT of intentionality, but so is an artist taping a banana to a wall.

In general though, AI art is awful and completely oxymoronic. AI-generated music is also awful.

I told you all Toy Story would lead us all into excess labor prison camps some day!

I've been getting a lot of mileage out of the word "fake" when trying to discuss this stuff without sound too terminally online: fake art, fake writing, fake summaries, fake information, fake "thinking." Calling it what it is feels useful.

And don't try to include it in art festivals: www.wellingtonadvertiser.com/eden-mills-w...