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Sharon @sharonk.bsky.social

was reading Jefferson today and it's hard to not get annoyed with a man who was clearly intelligent just absolutely bomb on the question of slavery towards the end of his life

jul 13, 2025, 12:24 am • 365 19

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Doug Holst @doug-holst.bsky.social

No one is perfect.

jul 13, 2025, 12:59 am • 0 0 • view
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Riff 🐈🐈‍⬛🌽🍦🌞 @riffcahokiashill.bsky.social

He got really horrible in his last decade or so

jul 13, 2025, 8:15 am • 1 0 • view
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Shelly Friedland @shellyfriedland.bsky.social

Probably would hate Daveed Diggs playing him so fantastically in Hamilton.

jul 13, 2025, 1:39 am • 2 1 • view
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Doc Revan @docrevan.bsky.social

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jul 13, 2025, 12:26 am • 33 1 • view
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ok city ok @krogerfoot.bsky.social

The loudest yelps for liberty, things of that nature

jul 13, 2025, 12:29 am • 4 1 • view
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Rhys Needham @rhysneedham.bsky.social

Wasn't he one of those people who becomes ever more vicious, bigoted, and nasty the older they get?

jul 13, 2025, 8:34 am • 0 0 • view
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Tim Curry Cultivation Program @nixondick.bsky.social

Thats why Adams is the GOAT, Jefferson was a foppish gentryman who had all the moral strength of a soggy piece of paper.

jul 13, 2025, 5:32 am • 4 0 • view
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Kristen🦋Healer @kristenhealer.bsky.social

He started r*ping Sally Hemings when she was 12 years old.

jul 13, 2025, 5:32 pm • 2 0 • view
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rokrish98.bsky.social @rokrish98.bsky.social

The way one of my professors spoke about it is that Jefferson is the worst hypocrite in the first founding. The man intentionally chose to be obtuse when it suited his interests, while being a visionary when it came to the rights in the abstract. Ah well, at least we got mac & cheese out of it.

jul 13, 2025, 1:33 am • 13 0 • view
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Mandi Barnard, Ph.D. @mandisbarnard.bsky.social

And ice cream

jul 13, 2025, 2:00 am • 1 0 • view
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P. Thomas Johnson 🇬🇧 🤝 🇺🇦 @ptomj.bsky.social

That's the best way to describe Jefferson. There was virtually no principle he espoused that he didn't violate at some point in his life in a huge way.

jul 13, 2025, 4:44 am • 4 0 • view
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Raven Onthill @ravenonthill.bsky.social

Haiti terrified him, acc to Wood. Whatever the reason, slavery rotted his brain and by the end of his life he was deeply corrupted. 🎶 Slavery makes slaves of us all

jul 13, 2025, 6:49 am • 1 0 • view
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Matthew Blanchette @mattpb.bsky.social

Depressing to think THAT was when he and Adams made up... :-(

jul 13, 2025, 6:50 am • 1 0 • view
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Sharon @sharonk.bsky.social

555-COME-ON-JEFFERSON

The emotional anchor of the letter to Holmes is this existential conflict between master and slave. In effect Jefferson says to his Northern audience, you think you are choosing the moral course in attempting to restrict slavery. But you do not understand that slavery is a life-or-death issue for the South. If you do not allow slavery to expand, you lock us slave owners into an ever-closer entanglement with the wolf, a situation that only grows more dangerous as the slave population expands. If you go further and attempt to emancipate the existing slaves, you will confront us with the terrible choice between justice and self-preservation.18 Your actions will force us to dissolve the Union long before the tragic choice of justice versus self-preservation becomes a reality. Under this scenario, the actor might be the Southern states, but the responsible party would be the Northern states, who recklessly force the Southern states’ hand.19
jul 13, 2025, 12:26 am • 155 6 • view
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Sharon @sharonk.bsky.social

like come ON

It is here that the image of the “wolf by the ear” plays an important, even indispensable, role in Jefferson’s argument. We Southerners, Jefferson suggests, never wanted to enslave these people and would get rid of them if we could. But the slave owners are in a terrible bind: “We have the wolf by the ear and can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other.”17 Of course, because self-preservation is itself a natural right, what Jefferson means is that justice is on both sides. Natural rights confront natural rights. Jefferson never denies that the slaves would be justified in using violence to acquire their freedom. But the slave owners are under no obligation to free the enslaved if that would endanger their own selfpreservation. Indeed, they are equally justified in doing whatever they must in order to secure their lives. Jefferson seems to treat the right to self-preservation as an absolute, as a trump that automatically outweighs other considerations. The conflict at the heart of American slavery is morally undecidable precisely because natural rights as Jefferson understands them are absolute.
jul 13, 2025, 12:27 am • 124 6 • view
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Chris Bataille @chrisbataille.bsky.social

Brutal. Once one becomes an equity holder is something morally repugnant, they’re on the slippery slope of self-justification to functional evil.

jul 26, 2025, 1:40 am • 0 0 • view
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Government-Mandated AI Friend @helios-daedalus.bsky.social

When the child slaves are making the nails that are keeping you out of debtors' prison, you're also going to start dabbling in some pretty esoteric concepts of justice. It's also funny how this just reads like every Hobbsean argument about the criminal and the state.

jul 13, 2025, 1:20 am • 8 1 • view
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gthonks.bsky.social @gthonks.bsky.social

The Haitian revolution fried a lot of American brains

jul 13, 2025, 12:30 am • 24 0 • view
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jamestiv.bsky.social @jamestiv.bsky.social

Pretty sure this is the logic behind a lot of "liberal" zionists.

jul 13, 2025, 3:16 am • 1 0 • view
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whet moser @whetmoser.com

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jul 13, 2025, 12:32 am • 68 0 • view
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Swiss @switzere.bsky.social

“We would free these slaves but then we’d all have to get jobs”

jul 13, 2025, 2:14 am • 6 0 • view
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David P. Kendrick @padredavid.bsky.social

What book is this?

jul 13, 2025, 12:32 am • 6 0 • view
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fellowshipoftheg.bsky.social @fellowshipoftheg.bsky.social

He would have loved twitter.com

jul 13, 2025, 12:45 am • 2 0 • view
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lmhinh.bsky.social @lmhinh.bsky.social

It gets really grim when you learn about Sally Hemmings…

jul 13, 2025, 1:57 pm • 2 0 • view
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closereading.bsky.social @closereading.bsky.social

Jefferson like his peers was an uncommon model of a coward in excess (he was smart enough to know better) - and he and his peers passed that bit of their character on to generations. Much of their living posteriority has no idea how deeply fear informs the irrationality of their bigotry.

jul 13, 2025, 6:20 am • 0 0 • view
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Public Universal Fiend @publicuniversal.bsky.social

Just sell the fucking plantation, you can more easily be a gentleman scientist in Philly

jul 13, 2025, 12:29 am • 21 0 • view
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Buttadeus @thewanderingjew.bsky.social

Yeah I mean he knew. Everything else is a scramble to make it fit together

jul 13, 2025, 12:26 am • 13 0 • view
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The Pines @thepines.bsky.social

Makes me wonder if he would've been an annoying contrarian if he'd been around today

jul 13, 2025, 12:28 am • 5 0 • view
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closereading.bsky.social @closereading.bsky.social

Probably so, like so many opining ‘conservative’ commentators who qualify institutionalized violence as reasonable means to force others to assimilate social ideals, to accept what they consider indispensable ‘values’, all which favor their respective world views - ie, debate as pretext.

jul 13, 2025, 10:46 am • 1 0 • view
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Hap Hapner - on a watchlist somewhere @hap.bsky.social

Dude was a racist

jul 13, 2025, 1:10 am • 0 0 • view
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Ghost of James Madison @ghostofjmadison.bsky.social

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kendall-s.bsky.social @kendall-s.bsky.social

The fear of a modern “slave revolt” terrifies the white people I was raised around in Louisiana. There’s a palpable fear that black people will “rise up” and seek vengeance. It’s the reason the 2nd amendment is their no. 1 priority, and why most white southerners refuse to support Dem. candidates.

jul 13, 2025, 12:33 am • 13 2 • view
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Richard Garfinkle @rgarfinklesff.bsky.social

They conceive of themselves as the most moral it is possible for people to be. They know that they will, given the opportunity always choose to do harm. Therefore they conclude that since no one could do better than them, they cannot let anyone else have the chance to harm them. /1

jul 13, 2025, 6:35 pm • 0 0 • view
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Richard Garfinkle @rgarfinklesff.bsky.social

They do not comprehend that they are in error on all fronts. And that they are only demonstrating that they should never under any circumstances be trusted with anything. /2

jul 13, 2025, 6:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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elunger.bsky.social @elunger.bsky.social

Read Roman Law - slavery always contorts rational thought because, deep down, they know it’s wrong.

jul 13, 2025, 1:20 am • 13 2 • view
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Shiv Ramdas Mens Rice Activist @nameshiv.bsky.social

upton sinclair undefeated

jul 13, 2025, 12:26 am • 27 0 • view
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Alon (they/them) @alonlevy.bsky.social

I mean, the founders of your country were right.

jul 13, 2025, 1:10 am • 0 0 • view
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YIMBY Liberation Front @burnstony.bsky.social

Can you clarify the question?

jul 13, 2025, 2:48 am • 0 0 • view
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Alon (they/them) @alonlevy.bsky.social

It's not a question, it's a reference to Sharon being Canadian.

jul 13, 2025, 3:03 am • 2 1 • view
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rattatatouille @rattatatouille.bsky.social

Smart, rational guy, clearly one of the best minds of the Enlightenment, but holy cow did the man compartmentalize when it came to slavery. (And don't get me started on Sally Hemings)

jul 13, 2025, 12:36 am • 21 1 • view
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Mourn the Weenie @m0urn-the-weenie.bsky.social

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jul 13, 2025, 3:06 am • 0 0 • view