Greenblatt groveling and they still hate him

The last line is also wild. Does having ancestors who fought on either side of the Revolutionary War give one the same cardinal claim to America, in Vance's opinion, as having ancestors who fought on either side of the Civil War?

It’s a ham-handed (and in Klan and Klan-adjacent circles, well-worn) attempt at making blood & soil nationalism make sense for the United States in the ways such nationalism was invented and deployed in places like the old Habsburg lands,

but the vague criteria still don’t really work American nationalism into a white supremacist framework—eg, Barack Obama’s maternal grandfather was born in Kansas and fought in WW2, and Donald Trump paternal grandfather was born in Bavaria and maternal grandfather was born in Ireland

Yeah I’ve got ancestors from pre-Revolution Pennsylvania who owned people, ancestors who fought and died for the Union, ancestors who illegally immigrated from Ireland, and ancestors who legally immigrated from Slovakia. Real Americans often have complex family histories!

Trying to shove American citizenship into a tightly defined box based on a pure lineage is about as un-American as you can get!

It’s weird too because he’s accepting the Ellis Island narrative of destitute peasants and backfilling it to the beginning. Writing out the various and simply political fanatics who came prior to the civil war.

Right!! Most of our “founding stock” or whatever he wants to call them wouldn’t be welcome in his vision of America.

At the time when her ancestors immigrated the complaint, in upstate NY at least, was that the radical abolitionists found recruiting to their cause very easy among new arrivals. Imagining immigration of peasants makes our national story charity, instead of inspiring ideologues too.

This always amuses me because substantial pre Civil War immigration was ideological. My wife’s paternal side for example, rather than destitute peasants, they were politically motivated whose children would enthusiastically join the Union army.

Is he groyper-adjacent or just Peter Thiel-adjacent? Like this is exactly the kind of shit Thiel says around friends isn't it

And Greenblatt and the ADL will continue to cover and apologize for the administration

you would think the vice president giving this sort of speech would be worth some sort of elite reflection

Just nice of him to subtly sneak in there that, also, he kind of hates Jews

It's really amazing to me that he cedes an impt ground of argument entirely. He suggests that the ideals of the Declaration and its conception of a creedal nation identified with Enlightenment liberal values are identical to "progressive liberalism in 2025." Just accepts that proposition implicitly!

Yes that stuck out to me too. It may be just bad writing. He may be trying to say, "and here is another form of creedal identity with the same problem, one that is currently being promulgating by the left." but it comes off as "the progressive left has kept faithful to the DoI (derogatory)"

yeah, essentially he's surrendering the entire ground of "American Civic Religion" to the left and sets the boundaries of who belongs on his side somewhere between those of Andrew Jackson and Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Brains also cooked.

No reflection with elites.

Spiro Agnew waited until he was forced from office to come out with this kind of stuff, for one?

POTUS calls it the Epstein Hoax SOTH says Americans deserve full transparency House GOP vote to keep the files blocked, backing AG Where does VPOTUS stand? I am encouraging users to skeet @jd-vance-1.bsky.social until we get an answer: DO YOU STAND WITH THE PEOPLE OR THE PEDOS?

I encourage people to block JD Vance and not give fascists oxygen

The fascists are breathing O2 whether you like it or not, and ignoring them has made them stronger. Fighting with reason has also achieved nothing. This is how you beat them. You corner them in a catch 22 until they concede, no matter how much they squirm. And they are squirming for dear life rn

No. There is no anti-fascist organization in the world that encourages dialogue in public. You have completely lost the plot. Fascism has never been defeated in the public square except through hangings

Yea MLK, Gandhi, Walesa, and Mandela really didn’t know what they were doing…why are you on SOCIAL media in the first place? While I encourage you to BE A LONG SHARP THORN UP VPOTUS’s ass, feel free to continue toiling in the shadows if you think that’s useful THE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THEIR JUSTICE!

Not a single one of them would encourage talking to Nazis in the marketplace of ideas so I don't know why you invoked any of them. I don't even think Gandhi would have thought that that was a good idea and he and terrible ideas like that Jews should just let the Holocaust happen.

“The marketplace of ideas”? Dude this is liberal twitter not the Lyceum. Your posts ooze arrogance Also, as a Jew, please STFU. Your comments are uninformed and anti semitic. Naziism was defeated through all out warfare. It was appeasement from smart fucks like you that let it get as far as it did

You know I find interesting is that you're actively arguing as if I said the opposite of what I said

What shadowy sigma moves do you propose to take down American Fascism?

They agree with him.

I mean, Greenblatt is a walking Zionist stereotype of the weak Diaspora nebech who doesn't know how to fight back. Lander is a much better leader for the ADL if he wants that job instead of elective office (e.g. Congress).

Why would the ADL appoint him if he completely disagrees with their communication strategy? He can't just seize that role.

Lander would be good. Did anyone ever go through trying to stand up a good ADL? How about a “Grandchildren of Survivors Against Camps”

I mean, the ADL, under Greenblatt, fought against the Muslim ban in 2017. Greenblatt and the board are all Democrats (Greenblatt's previous job was Obama advisor), they're just chickenshit.

At those point I think the ADL had lost all credibility. Lander would be better off starting a whole new organization

Blood and soil. With the usual blinders. People who have been here, have "roots" here--very specific cultural and racial roots--are American. There is no vision, no ideal, only whatever the people who have been here decide. America is defined by inheritance, the past binds the future. Ugh.

And the ADL would rather break bread with open anti semites rather than muslims or jews who merely disagree with Israel’s attempts at ethnic cleansing

It's also darkly funny because no matter how much Jon Greenblatt sucks up to Trumpworld it will never be enough for these Nazis.

At the end of his introduction to Political Liberalism, Rawls suggests that one of the reasons why Weimar failed is that many elites, under the sway of arguments like Schmitt's, concluded that liberal democracy is impossible, a contradiction in terms. It seems clear that we're in a similar situation