there's going to be an interesting dynamic here as American Christianity both declines and becomes more Pentecostal + non-denom (AOG is Pentecostal)
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I might have to go dig through this data. The United Methodist denomination experienced a huge split before the 2024 election, not sure where the mainly pro-Trump-voter churches that left the United Methodists, ended up.
sep 2, 2025, 4:57 pm • 8 0 • view
actually surprised that missouri synod is higher than wisconsin synod
sep 2, 2025, 5:59 pm • 9 0 • view
The other side of this: for all the Liberal Protestant blathering from ELCA leadership, half their membership doesn't care. Disclosure: I was ordained in the ELCA, left it, but currently worship in an ELCA cong.
sep 2, 2025, 7:18 pm • 3 0 • view
the extreme whiteness of the elca doesn’t help
sep 2, 2025, 7:20 pm • 1 0 • view
Don't forget the rurality... which goes with the whiteness.
sep 2, 2025, 7:21 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm not
sep 2, 2025, 6:41 pm • 6 0 • view
Yeah, my one experience with the Lutheran Church was a Missouri synod one (I didn't know at the time) and it was so hateful I didn't trust anything Lutheran until this year. I was used to Catholic Mass and I don't remember what the sermon was about, just how shocked I was.
sep 2, 2025, 6:54 pm • 11 0 • view
yes, but even in the missouri synod, they think the wisconsin synod is too conservative
sep 2, 2025, 7:12 pm • 6 0 • view
I think the error bars are relevant here.
sep 2, 2025, 7:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Possible other cause here: the Wisconsin Synod is concentrated in *checks notes* Wisconsin, which has a higher historic density of unions and slightly more more progressive politics. LCMS is more broadly distributed and Southern-ish. Of course, I could be totally wrong.
sep 2, 2025, 7:27 pm • 4 0 • view
Personally I think their doctrinal differences are orthogonal to the liberal/conservative theology axis; WELS just has an incredibly narrow view of fellowship and a rather weird (and broad!) definition of the office of ministry that manages to include teachers.
sep 2, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah my impression was that Wisconsin's issues with Missouri are more that the latter engage too much with non-Lutherans, even other conservative Christians?
sep 2, 2025, 8:01 pm • 1 0 • view
That plus the way they both turn Paul into Law means that in practice WELS is even more conservative in its treatment of women. But the way they handle the Bible and do theology I think is extremely similar.
sep 2, 2025, 7:24 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm happily in a very awesome ELCA congregation now, but I was born and raised Missouri Synod not half an hour from their origin point. It is a constant battle for me to say anything about them without breaking the 8th commandment.
sep 2, 2025, 7:17 pm • 2 0 • view
Groups like them make me wish I believed my Catholic upbringing so I could at least get comfort from the idea that they gave damnation or at least purgatory. But alas, I don't, it's just shitty people being shitty and being rewarded in the temporal world.
sep 2, 2025, 7:30 pm • 1 0 • view
my sister is part of the 9% of evangelicals voting for harris lol
sep 2, 2025, 6:01 pm • 5 0 • view
evangelical white woman living in a rural area who attends church weekly and went to a far right anti-gay christian college, yet is still a lib
sep 2, 2025, 6:02 pm • 6 0 • view
Given how many Episcopalians are knocking around this website (laudatory) I'm surprised he got a third of 'em
sep 2, 2025, 5:21 pm • 41 0 • view
The way you know statistical spreads in politics are a strange thing is that he got nearly 1/3 of Buddhists
sep 2, 2025, 5:24 pm • 6 0 • view
A third of UCCs shocks me more.
sep 2, 2025, 5:44 pm • 2 0 • view
As a mutual over on the old site put it, we've still some practitioners of "white Shinto" like Carlson. And there's a lot of rural parishes and older folks who liked the cut of HW's jib. But we're also very much a Red and Blue church. Not a purple one.
sep 2, 2025, 5:26 pm • 8 0 • view
Like, it used to be a running joke that the RNC was basically a vestry meeting. The Philadelphia 11 (and CRM) started the church moving, but it still has quite a bit to do.
sep 2, 2025, 5:28 pm • 2 0 • view
Tucker Carlson is in TEC. the south still has a bunch of social conservative holdouts that didn't split into ACNA
sep 2, 2025, 5:22 pm • 27 0 • view
ah okay TIL
sep 2, 2025, 5:38 pm • 2 0 • view
I was gonna say, there was some kind of schism, right? I don’t know the details either. But you know the drill. Gays, lady bishops, blah blah.
sep 2, 2025, 5:48 pm • 3 0 • view
and there's a solid chunk of the ACNA that split for basically church governance rule reasons who are basically TEC theologically. anecdotally these seem more common on the West Coast.
sep 2, 2025, 5:43 pm • 3 0 • view
C4SO?
sep 2, 2025, 5:45 pm • 3 0 • view
i didn't even know about them but I'm seeing Rocky Mountain geographical diocese churches on the Wikipedia list of churches that were helping support C4SO setup
sep 2, 2025, 5:49 pm • 3 0 • view
Diocese of the Rocky Mountains is recently formerly the western chunk of PEARUSA before it was handed fully over to local control and had administrative splits.
sep 2, 2025, 5:53 pm • 2 0 • view
*sigh* it me
sep 2, 2025, 5:51 pm • 3 0 • view
getting really inside baseball for a moment, the acna diocese of the Rocky Mountains has an agreement to not argue about women clergy and gay membership and every priest I've gotten to know well so far from it was TEC-adjacent and was careful to make sure i knew their split reason was governance
sep 2, 2025, 5:46 pm • 4 0 • view
My wife grew up Episcopalian, and her church's priest was the son-in-law of Ollie North of Iran Contra fame. The size of the congregation has declined, and they now share the building with a Presbyterian Church of America congregation. Lots of weird mixing these days.
sep 2, 2025, 5:24 pm • 6 0 • view
I bring up the Ollie North thing because it's the most concise way I can express the overall political leanings of the church. Fun to go skeet shooting with a priest that owns several automatic guns though.
sep 2, 2025, 5:25 pm • 6 0 • view
Lol as an Episcopalian this does not surprise me. We used to be nicknamed "the Republican Party at Prayer" and we skew older than other denominations. If anything, I'm surprised there's not MORE Episcopal support of Trump, though we do tend to be a bit snobby about language, so that may explain it.
sep 2, 2025, 7:41 pm • 4 0 • view
Of course Atheists hate Trump. We have critical thinking skills.
sep 2, 2025, 5:29 pm • 2 0 • view
despite Trump’s utter lack of any Christlike traits identifying as a Christian of any sort seems to at least somewhat increase your odds of voting for him
sep 2, 2025, 5:46 pm • 3 0 • view
Just as I suspected. 0% among true scotsman.
sep 2, 2025, 6:48 pm • 1 0 • view
The UMC wheeeeeew
sep 2, 2025, 5:14 pm • 2 0 • view
Rather horrifying that that's the largest Republican share of Jews since 1988 (but the Jewish Virtual Library does say 32 Trump - 66 Harris, but still) and that Trump has GAINED more Jewish voters consecutively in 2020 and again in 2024. After Charlottesville and Stephen Miller and the rest.
sep 2, 2025, 5:11 pm • 7 2 • view
The world owes Reddit Atheists an apology
sep 2, 2025, 4:49 pm • 14 1 • view
Reddit Atheists are the bulk of the atheist vote that went to Trump.
sep 2, 2025, 5:45 pm • 3 0 • view
not pictured: Leo eyeballing that 59% share with disgust
sep 2, 2025, 4:49 pm • 17 0 • view
honestly tho, despite the last two Popes, rural Catholicism is still deeeeeeeply entrenched in taking advantage of needy minorities, and in "PRO-LIFE" misogynistic and Prosperity Gospel stuff.
sep 2, 2025, 5:41 pm • 8 0 • view
Honestly it’ll take decades for the Catholic Church in the USA to recover any integrity. Over half a century of “the most important issue on the ballot in every election is abortion! You are going to hell if you vote Pro-Choice!” has obliterated our moral compass.
sep 2, 2025, 6:08 pm • 6 0 • view
it’s funny because Hume says that more charismatic (“enthusiastic”) forms of christianity tend to be subversive of authority because of the claims of direct revelation. but he doesn’t seem to have accounted for how well their inherent detachment from reality functions as the basis for cultishness.
sep 2, 2025, 5:12 pm • 68 2 • view
The lesson that authority exercised by precise public rules and formally designated officeholders can be liberating, and charismatic authority irrational and chaotic when it isn’t authoritarian, apparently has to be relearned in every generation.
sep 2, 2025, 5:38 pm • 1 0 • view
The journey here from the egalitarianism of colonial revivalism to authoritarian right-wing piety after independence is very short.
sep 2, 2025, 5:40 pm • 2 0 • view
It just took a little while for Nietzsche to come along and say "actually, in a land of liberals, passion will rule the day, and it won't have to do with facticity or reality".
sep 2, 2025, 5:14 pm • 29 0 • view
Liberals excepting normie wine moms - unfortunately this means that passion is feminine coded, and thus doomed.
sep 4, 2025, 4:33 am • 4 0 • view
There's a metaphor here with the Lance of Longinus and early Christianity being the religion of slaves, soldiers, and women.
sep 4, 2025, 4:48 am • 4 0 • view
Something something Christ's side wound being yonic metaphor for birthing the church
sep 4, 2025, 5:41 am • 3 0 • view
Y'know... This is honestly really interesting. And has really interesting implications for the Stigmata.
sep 4, 2025, 5:47 am • 3 0 • view
Oh it's a whole Thing in a certain era of Catholic art.
sep 4, 2025, 5:49 am • 3 0 • view
What on earth led to your profile pic existing
sep 2, 2025, 5:15 pm • 6 1 • view
I started out on Bluesky as a Rizzo the Rat avatar, but a Post came along and gave me MF Luther
sep 2, 2025, 5:17 pm • 7 0 • view
I'd call it ML DOOM
sep 4, 2025, 7:48 am • 3 0 • view
there's a interesting dynamic here where charismatic traditions can be open to more female-driven leadership but from a conservative angle
sep 2, 2025, 5:16 pm • 19 0 • view
probably because the forms of charismatic christianity he was familiar with were formed against the backdrop of established state religion, and therefore *had* to be subversive. but in the context of a liberal society that need goes away, and instead survival requires taking a steady hold of people.
sep 2, 2025, 5:15 pm • 9 0 • view
Damn, 28% of Buddhists? Fucking how man
sep 2, 2025, 5:16 pm • 4 0 • view
Because white hippie Buddhism has fuckall to do with actual Buddhism, which has just as much blood on its hands as Christianity or any other large, old religion. Organized religion primes the brain to accept authoritarianism imo
sep 2, 2025, 5:27 pm • 5 0 • view
White hippie Buddhism is gonna be heavy on the woo.
sep 2, 2025, 6:22 pm • 3 0 • view
It is darkly funny that Trump is overtly the most irreligious president in modern history but it doesn’t matter because he himself has ascended to make the Trinity a foursome in his supporters’ eyes
sep 2, 2025, 5:15 pm • 25 0 • view
It makes sense because to evangelicals works and deeds dont matter. All you have to do to get into heaven is "accept christ" It makes it so Christian is more of a social identity than a religious one: the specifics of one's behavior dont matter as long as you "love christ"
sep 2, 2025, 5:19 pm • 20 1 • view
It was pretty astonishing to us in school years ago when the evangelical kids would have sex/do drugs/etc with others and then turned around and said we were going to hell but they weren't because they go to church on Sundays.
sep 2, 2025, 5:30 pm • 6 0 • view
Bingo
sep 2, 2025, 5:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Its one of the many unfortunate consequences of Calvinism
sep 2, 2025, 5:19 pm • 14 0 • view
Evangelicals never engage with religious doctrine because 1. It doesnt matter so long as you accept christ, 2. Reading is woke, and 3. God's chosen arent bound by the laws of man The Bible thus becomes a weapon but not something to be adhered to so long as youre in the in group
sep 2, 2025, 5:23 pm • 15 0 • view
Surprised his Buddhist support is so low theonion.com/trump-calmly...
sep 2, 2025, 5:14 pm • 23 1 • view
Trump did not take egg. Eggs are impermanent like everything else. Why do you cling so to that which only brings you pain?
sep 2, 2025, 5:20 pm • 8 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/crab...
sep 2, 2025, 5:33 pm • 2 0 • view
Buddhists going, nah. ✊🏽
sep 2, 2025, 5:09 pm • 2 0 • view
Church of Trump will be very ascendant Once It Happens
sep 2, 2025, 5:13 pm • 0 0 • view
@boxelderdust.bsky.social Episcopalians looking good.
sep 2, 2025, 6:19 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm going to need my fellow Catholics to start calling this shit heretical again.
sep 2, 2025, 5:25 pm • 6 0 • view
Unfortunately rural Catholics are still fed a non-stop diet of PRO LIFE bullshit both on TV and from the church pulpits to ever see that. The same priests that discouraged birth control in high school classes are now soooooooooo upset about wealth inequality.
sep 2, 2025, 5:46 pm • 2 0 • view
Yeah there's a reason I haven't been to a church since catholic highschool and it's not just because I'm an atheist now.
sep 2, 2025, 6:01 pm • 2 0 • view
💯
sep 2, 2025, 9:47 pm • 0 0 • view
I would ask who the 10% of atheists are but I think everyone of them who voted for trump has a podcast or substack.
sep 2, 2025, 5:27 pm • 4 0 • view
We're going to turn into Japan where the majority of the country practices some syncretic quasi-animism and the ruling class is full of Catholics.
sep 2, 2025, 7:16 pm • 5 0 • view
I grew up Missouri Synod (before escaping to ELCA's Canadian arm) and good lord that number tracks.
sep 2, 2025, 5:06 pm • 5 0 • view