Maybe the dems should try doing more to combat fascism than just hope to never lose an election again.

Yes.

Maybe the dems should do a better job of turning out to vote. 🤷‍♂️

maybe politicians should actually inspire their base to do so

So, the base doesn't vote, the base complains, and you think all that will change if the politicians tell them that they should vote. When does personal responsibility enter the picture? I don't know about you, but I get flooded with campaign material via the mail.

Where does personal responsibility enter for the dems? Are they helpless little babies or can they give people something to vote for instead of just against?

I'm not following your 'logic,' Bubba; But, I'm assuming that's not a word that you're well acquainted with. Bottom line? If more of them had voted, we'd not be in this mess.

having an actual personality backed with an actual spine to do hard politics, along with good rhetoric, would be a start. not the endless deluge of emails and texts that read as spam saying “NAME, you’re not gonna believe this… Can I count on $5 from you today?”

i mean come on, you can’t tell me that the difference between Jeffries and Mamdani isn’t night and day, and there’s a reason the former is infuriating the base while the latter is galvanizing it. the answer is pretty simple.

yeah, everyone gets flooded with campaign material in the mail. so it seems "hey, i'm campaigning with liz cheney, here's why trump is right about crime but why we should use publicly accountable police instead of secret police to solve it. please give me money." isn't a winning message!

the problem is the only message that the democrats have is "get out and vote", nothing else. they have consistently failed to appeal to their own ideas without reactively capitulating to right-wing premises. that was the case with clinton, that was the case with harris, and it continues today.

That's nonsense. Bill Clinton was the ONLY president in recent history who was actually able to balance our budget. And Biden sorted out the COVID mess Trump left him. Anyway, we had good reason to vote to keep the Orange dude from f'ing things up even more, & too many sexist Democrats didn't vote.

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complacency has wound up with us having an entire generation of consultant-addicted freaks in elected office while the GOP has been preparing and training for this day for decades. who do you think will be better at obtaining and wielding power, votes be damned??

McIver was arrested for investigating an ICE facility. Padilla got tackled by the Feds for confronting the head of DHS. Waters stared down agents and told them they would have to shoot her to stop her. Bernie gave some speeches to his fan club and asked them for more money.

Biden got in office off the back of the blm protests and at the end of his term police were killing more people every year than when he got elected. Who's talking about Bernie besides dead end centrists like you?

I was pointing out how the "dead end centrists" you hate so much are doing significantly more than he is to actually fight fascism.

Did you not watch the very relavent clip from the minority leader in this very thread? Jeffries told dems to stop making a big deal about the people sent to El Salvador.

You mean the one where he said the Trump administration should be held in contempt if they didn't bring Kilmar Abrego Garcia home? www.google.com/amp/s/www.ms...

Oh so he supported bringing articles of impeachment in the house since the Trump administration was in contempt of a court order right?