Still on the EHCR are we? British politics is stuck in a post-Brexit doom loop, addicted to spectacle politics and unable to engage with its actual problems: the sclerotic post-GFC economy that has seen real wages stagnate and increasing inability of government to invest in public services.
The English idea that to make things better we need to take some things away (EU, ECHR etc.) is wild. Wild and wrong. Very very wrong.
The UK is very close to becoming a lost cause if they are not one already.
Well there is one thing they could take away to make thinks better : the UK.
#r4today leads on this again because a newspaper quoted a former politician (pre 1997) who said something about ECHR. Whether what he said is correct (it isn’t) is neither here nor there but there is a pretence that there is a national debate around leaving the convention when there really isn’t…
And ofc the 'moderate' Trevor Phillips is now in the pages of the 'centre-right' Times arguing that we should, citing the Labour 'grandees' in support.
Regardless of its current polling, Labour has four years left in power - are immigration and small boats going to dominate until the next election? What will the country turn its attention to next?
Yes.
The strangest thing about the past year is that the government and PM behave as if they don't have a huge parliamentary majority and ability to make the political weather...
it *feels* like post-2017 when May had to court the DUP for their marginal votes, when actually labour has a majority bigger than the entire conservative party
I think the idea of a national renewal project means signalling that Brexit was stupid and has comprehensively damaged the country, and they still are terrified of everything Brexit related.
The number one thing Labour should be doing now is taking back control of its political future and working out the story *it* wants to tell the electorate over the next four years - and then it should be relentless in hammering that message.
Cooper’s had a hard on for immigration forever, now she is getting her chance to unleash all her nasty right wing ideas, this is Labour’s message loud and clear.
What it wants is to be racist, to cause suffering to the disabled, to the elderly, to trans people
The brand continually fails to demonstrate leadership. Since Blair left it’s all about how bad the Tories are rather than anything cohesive. Scare tactics became their safe space and now they are in power they don’t know what to do
At this point it’s a choice they have made to be shit. They’ve internally given up before the show, before the intermission
Labour is part taking in, same way as the Democrats were in the US, the signing of its own death certificate.
We’ve already heard the story Labour wants to tell, the problem is that no one wants that Reform lite crap.
They have told me. They've told me they don't want my vote. They've told me they will make life harder for everyone I care about. They've told me my son is a lesser being who should be segregated. We've heard them loud and clear. This is who they are.
It would help if Nandy would tackle the stranglehold Gibb has over BBC News content. Not a peep.
Whatever the reason or whoever is responsible, the "Farage pledges..." fluffy headlines need to stop.
this is their message Will. This is what they want.
Well, so far the stories Labour's told me, a voter, over the last couple of years is: that if I don't like the party I should fuck off; that being opposed to genocide makes me a terrorist; and that because I'm trans I'm not a full human being with human rights.
They've also told me that race rioters are the true working class, that MPs deserve bribes and challenging it is literal violence, that the poor and children must starve to balance the books, that human rights laws need to be scrapped, and that Israel has the right to withhold water from Gaza.
That would require them inviting in expertise outside of their preferred faction.
They’re captured by right wing bad faith actors like the CoS. There’s no way labour improve at all in the next few years, it’s just downhill from here.
Been saying this for last 3 years - they should be at the implementation phase now!
They're doing that already. This is who they are
This is the message they want to tell. They want to be the midwives of fascism.
This is a Blue Labour cabinet. This *is* the story they want to tell.
why do u assume this isnt exactly what it is doing??
Remember George Osborne's 'long-term economic plan'?
Lie you mean.
It's Rachel Reeves' plan too.
In 2010, with LibDem backing, George Osborne slashed investment, the opposite of what you should do in the face of a recession. 14 years of the Tories have left us with a run down country with decaying infrastructure. Rachel Reeves is prioritising and enabling investment www.bbc.com/news/article...
The story is "You lefties are pig people who don't matter, fall in line, shut up, and vote for our slop, or else." They have deliberately chosen this. That IS the message. We hear them loud and clear.
hate to break this to you bud but what theyve been doing IS the story they want to tell. its a political loser and it'll probably end in Nigel Farage being PM but its their story. they like it. they hate migrants and they hate trans people and they hate the poor and thats their story.
that would necessitate Keir Starmer having some backbone. A sense of direction wouldn't hurt either.
you must be talking about some other labour government this government is just pushing fascist policies and accepting bribes bcos they're fascists who like bribes there's no deeper analysis. you and everyone else who voter labour fell for a very obvious con job. they told you what they would do:
what if... they are doing that?
They have been, this is what they stand for.
They are telling the story they want to tell. I think this is the bit that seems to confuse a lot of you.
We know their plans - they are the plans of the Tories - Osborne, Hunt, May, Patel, IDS & McVey Yes, there are some cuddly 'Labour' crumbs around the edges, but the core is crush & demoralise desperate, indebted & low paid workers & their dependents, while protecting the top 5% who are asset rich.
You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that Labour doesn't want to do the horribly far right stuff it's doing, but everyone who's been paying attention has been telling everyone that Labour would be like this for years. They are right wingers who enjoy the money corruption brings.
Better comms won't save bad and unpopular policies, it's just not possible for Labour to keep doing whatever they like with no consideration for the public sentiment. If anything they are too concerned with the opinions of their insular circle of journalists and lobbyists and not their wider base.
that's exactly what they're doing. they ARE enacting their preferred policies and "telling their story." they're enacting every far right, anti-human rights policy they want, while browbeating anyone who calls them out by threatening them with an imagined "worse" future under reform
Perhaps, and stay with me on this, they already are telling the story they want to tell. Maybe this is exactly who they are
This is them working out the story they want to tell. Anti-trans bigots are getting the top jobs. Disgusting.
Labour ARE telling the story they want to tell. It's anti-migrant, anti-trans, now anti-EHRC, and anti-NHS. Folks just don't seem to want to accept that they are a right wing government.
Oh, and add to that being happy for fund/provide weapons for genocide.
This is the point! 4 more years! Today's polls are utterly meaningless. Labour's PR and messaging is absolutely dreadful right now however, if they keep steadily working for closer EU ties and better domestic conditions, the polling at election time will be very, very different.
Labour are behaving like they're in a confidence and supply Govt with a Reform/Britain First coalition. Like the Tories prior, they seem petrified of upsetting Farage or going after him in any meaningful way and seem happy to appease him at every turn whilst continuing to plummet in the polls.
This is the point! 4 more years! Today's polls are utterly meaningless. Labour's PR and messaging is absolutely dreadful right now however, if they keep steadily working for closer EU ties and better domestic conditions, the polling at election time will be very, very different.
How exactly are they steadily working for better domestic conditions?
Better domestic conditions? Their treatment of multiple minority groups is disgusting. I, as a trans person, am forced to have conversations about moving to another country with my partner because of this.
I don’t want to move, I’ve lived my whole life between Scotland and England and wanted it to stay that way but fucking labour and reform are making that impossible.
Elizabeth can I ask which countries you're considering? Me and my partner are having the same discussion.
Ireland initially as its the easiest option and i could even get full citizenship if needed
Lol same, I've got a bit interested in Iceland too but I've moved before to a country where English isn't the first language and it's totally doable but obviously much more intense. I keep meaning to send off for my Irish passport. Thanks x
You have a right to settle in northern Ireland and once settled there you can move to any other eu country
I didnt know that! But with the Irish passport I could still do the same without the in-between step of moving to northern ireland. I do wonder about Spain but my partner would legitimately melt.
Yea, same.
Though Ireland is quite nice…
They're literally trying to remove us from the EHCR so they can sell your data overseas, and here you are cheerleading them
No. The policies are absolutely dreadful right now, and will result in real harm to real people. The PR and messaging are also bad, but that's because they accurately reflect the policies.
labour have replaced my healthcare with christian conversion, stripped me of my civil rights and legal recognition, and are about to rubber stamp segregation laws created by a far right hate group. there is no coming back. their problem isn't messaging it's policy. labour are fucked and good.
