It really is this simple.

shit take. Mushroom. Tech is technical. There's only so many people who will be obsessive about this to get good. It's not about "educating" it's about people choosing to be obsessive about it. And getting those people to work on the worlds hardest or at least most lucrative problems.

He favours people that are more willing to put up with his shit. Long hours, unreasonable demands, less pay, casual bigotry in the work place, etc.

That's my experience for about 25 years but also the H1B sponsorship is a lower salary than you are, so we're hiring them.

Yeah that's exactly it the dumbing of us down. But you see intelligence isn't everything wisdom goes a long way and intelligence isn't smart enough to figure that out yet

The problem is they aren’t so eager to please, like a puppy pissing themselves with excitement, to compete and win. It’s degrading to say the least. It’s also very unethical and downright embarrassing that billionaires would exploit marginalized people even more, to hoard more wealth.

We talk about billionaires as if they were just a dangerous animal in the wild like a lion or a crocodile. They are a fundamental force of nature as dangerous and all consuming as any black hole drifting through the universe...

There is one more aspect. When one comes in USA to work on visa, there are no protections. No abilities to complain about any abuse or workplace. The moment they do, they can lose employment and visa. So in a way, visa workers provide slave labor.

Many European centre-left parties realised this corporate exploitation of migrant workers over the last few years and, when they pivoted to opposing migration based on economic grounds, swiftly won back the "anti-migrant" bloc from the centre-right.

Interesting development.

Yup

Nailed it!

In Finland, where taxes are mandatory and unavoidable, Compulsory education is provided up to the age of 18, and it's not only free but also financially supported. Everyone has equal opportunities to pursue any profession they desire. The educational level is among the world's best

Sorry I'm just stupid European .. 😎

What kind of vocational training is there in the United States for working-class jobs? How are everyday heroes trained? In the movies, there is high school and universities.. jobs in Times Square

My district has a welding and riveting program set up as a direct feed into Boeing. Boeing saw the need and was instrumental in setting it up. The district also has programs that feed into nursing, hair and makeup, culinary arts, and more. Many high schools in WA state are set up the same way.

My son manages high rise construction sites We took out loans - and he reroofed housed trained by boss to pay He got four year education at state university When I went to university finance was available for everyone accepted and cost was subsidized by feds

So the lowest level of education is white-collar workers? Where do car mechanics, bakers, carpenters, etc. study? Sorry.. from EU 😅

Many public school systems have robust vocational education programs that allow 11th & 12th graders who are not taking college placement courses to earn credentials in hotel & restaurant management, HVAC, EMT, construction trades, automotive, etc.

I've never heard of a public school having these things. Mine even got rid of home ec and driving before I went

Public school in the early 60 s was very free And very focused We were treated as scholars and responded with acting like it Played Beethoven 5th in orchestra Could come and go as we pleased If we participated in the curriculum honestly

Even in my now disgustingly maga town, we had a full music curriculum that included connections to the politics of the time (Vietnam war). There were few discipline programs.

Respectfully, that was 50-70 years ago and times have changed drastically

Yes, that was in response to a comment about the past.

That’s sad.

It's normal 🤷🏻

Yes, but still sad.

Almost every one of the "self-made" oligarchs who are pushing this new dystopian model are of a generation that benefitted from a far more equitable social contract re education than kids and parents today have. And it was precisely that social contract that made America great in the first place.

Having worked multiple different industries, the bulk of which consistent of retail/sales, there is no real training. You’re lucky if you get so much as an hour to be shown the ropes and any shadow time depending on the company. Some have training videos I suppose?

In my state over the past 10 years they have started vocational training programs in maybe 5-10 schools. They train students in various trades in the last years of HS at an offsite school with some required classes at the school. The final classes are completed after graduation for trade jobs

Some areas have vocational training in high schools, but in most places there are trade schools or certification programs in 2 year colleges/community colleges for skilled trades (HVAC, Auto mech, etc). Other things...hope a coworker will teach you enough to not get fired.

Many public school systems have robust vocational training in construction trades, automotive, HVAC, hotel & restaurant management, EMT training, and more.

Wait really? I wonder if that's different by state.

It's different by neighborhood. It's really sad.

That’s true, as public schools are funded by property taxes. In townships with neighborhoods of McMansions the tax base is high and provides $ for schools. In townships where there are few homes owned (apartment buildings, businesses) the homes that do exist are often of lower assessed value, so

less $ for schools.

I’m sure it is, given that there is no national curricular minimum. Indiana has vocational training, community college, and department of workforce development.

Guess this is why #Trump wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. Heaven forbid there's a nationwide apprentice system

This varies. From state to state. And then from school district to school district (districts are like cities or municipalities) and then neighborhood to neighborhood. And some of it sucks.

Oh please you get free PUBLIC school education up to 18 in the US which sets you up in most states for getting the minimum wage which in most states is NOT enough to live on. Many European countries get free college where they can hope for a decent living and better quality of life.

Sounds good, Here in Finland, even the poorest unemployed families have to send their children to school until they get a vocational qualification. If you have the desire, you can get 2 degrees. Education leading to a degree is always free.

Finland has one of the best education and social systems in the world. My brother did his Master’s in Helsinki. Aside from culture shock from riding the train (flat affect and very little emotive displays) he enjoyed his time there.

Too bad it's so freakin’ cold in Finland! 🥶

Finland is a monocultural population smaller than Wisconsin. So the political differences between the two countries are too great to allow for any meaningful comparison.

So on a state-by-state basis the US could match Finland's achievements in education. Anyway, it doesn't mean that some of the principles of their approach to education, etc. can't be considered. Especially in the "greatest nation on Earth"?

Finland has also been the happiest nation in the world for many years, while at the same time its suicide rates are the highest in the world relative to its population 🤔😐

Well, they're practically in the Arctic, and adjacent to Russia, so what can you expect? Was drinking tea with Putin involved at all? Would you like to check your sources, though? The Wikipedia data for 2019 hardly has them as having the highest suicide rate (#38), and lower than the US(#31).

A country that is part of the NATO defense alliance hardly drinks tea with Mr. P. Trump will then tell you how the tea tasted and what a nice guy Putin is when he organized the elections just right again.

The labor market is still not positive towards new graduates. Even 10 years of experience puts you at disadvantage.

We have that too, at least in NY. Free high quality public education until you graduate high school at age 17-18. You can also take vocational classes in high school if you want, like mechanics, welding, plumbing, cosmetology….its free.

In the US, you can get education up until 18, but quality can vary wildly, and often doesn't set you up to be able to have a career.

👍🏽👍🏼👍🏻👍🏿👍👍🏾

Americans have labor protections and the ability to unionize. H1Bs don't and can't. If you've been fighting against unionization for years from american workers, it only makes sense(if you're a POS) to go after those that do not have the ability to fight against gilded age tactics.

“They work harder” Translation: “we can terrorize them with the threat of deportations. If they don’t do the work of 3 people for half the salary of one”

This is exactly it. They want more workers they can easily exploit.

When a manager says “We’re like family here” it should send a chill down everyone’s spine.

Also, “ownership mentality,” when they aren’t offering an actual ownership share.

Boy, that one is fucking gross.

I mean, have you *seen* some families?

And then when the H1B hire gets too old to be useful or burns out or gets injured, just send them back to their own country! No need to fund programs like Social Security that take care of people who can no longer work.

This is what I've been saying. It's not that we don't have the numbers, it's that we don't have the structure. Unions helped organize workers. That's what made worker's unions a problem. Being structured and disciplined can help a vastly outnumbered side win every time.

Do H1B worker's spouses still have to be on this goofy visa that doesn't allow them to work anywhere w punishment for working being deportation, as it used to be the case? So not only unable to organize, but held hostage by their employers because, if their job goes, their whole family is fucked

yes

They are the managers who fire 2 people from the crew and just expect the other members to pick up the slack and not hire new members. Then, discipline the employees when they point this obvious issue with production out. 🤦‍♂️

Overworked and Underpaid ... 🎵 E - I - E - I - O ... 🎶 Shut your mouth and be afraid ... 🎵 E - I - E - I - O ... 🎶

Is this supposed to be to me?

No, that’s what corporate sings to the peons

Donald loves the uneducated because they make better serfs

Exactly. And since the Billionaire Tech Immigrants bought this election they get to make the rules

Instead of just "fuck off" it should say: "Sure, for a bazillion dollars" "But... I can't afford it" "Fuck off then"

Which is boiled down to: "Educate me" "Fuck off"

Listen here: www.wsj.com/business/fir...

Oh the irony.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTj5...

content.techgig.com/career-advic...

President Eisenhower warned in 1961: "Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." Be knowledgeable: youtu.be/9uJHCK5nkec?...

Not educated enough? Not as a result of homeschooling, I hope.

Noooooo...can't have an educated populace!

Well for Elon musk it’s more like he won’t pay them anything so hires foreigners then forces them to work

MAGAts are busy bad mouthing refugees & have no clue about student demographics at US universities where tech & sciences are rated best. Univ cartel deans get rich off legal foreigners paying higher tuition than they'd charge Americans, while minimizing opportunities for underprivileged Americans.

Apologies, but I don't think the day education gets fixed isn't very close. That aside, a rapid evolution of the current workforce and its skillsets (retraining) are needed to prevent massive job losses. Let's see who will address this.

The double negative makes it very difficult to understand what you're trying to say

Thanks, that was a typo. "Isn't" = "Is".

Spot on

They should pay to train/educate their own employees rather than making the employees pay for it

Bible lessons won’t get you far in an educated world

Certainly not the trump bibles! Only the cover is a copy, inside all empty blanco pages 😂😂😂🤣🤣

Actual biblical lesson will. Most Americans, theist, atheist, or antitheist, Don't actually study the Bible. As a mythology nerd, I read the Bible often like I read the Poetic Edas of Norse mythology or the Iliad by Homer. Pretty interesting anthology.

Most peoples favorite books are either from the old testament or Paul's writings. The first 4 books of the New testament, what Jesus actually Did & Said are the least read. TLDR The person around whom the religion centers is the least read about. Which reeks of manipulation.... Of some kind .

Aah, but what if the Bible lessons you learn are from The Educated Bible of the Educated religion, that teaches you how to get far in an educated world (by learning with an open mind and questioning authority), and also how to thrive in an uneducated world (by not falling into the traps)?

Former evangelical here: major cultural shifts will need to happen first.

You're probably right. Of course changes usually happen first in small amounts. So there's always hope for a positive change. After all, people were far more divided, violent and uneducated. In the big arc of history we are less so over time despite the information people consume. Bots love softies.

They come in small amounts... Until they don't. We've had singularities before, and I think we are leading up to a major one. Can you not feel it building? And when the avalanche starts, the pebbles will begin to dislodge boulders

Shhhh! Pipe down or they'll hear you!

There isn't one of those.

Says who? Bill the Spectrum Rhino, the non protagonist, non-Prophet of the Educated Religion, said there is. And his statements are usually valid within 1 standard deviation. I know it's true as I read it in the complementary Addendum To The Educated Bible which denies its own alleged infallibility.

No such religion exists. What you describe is the opposite of religion.

Or maybe it exists and you have just never heard of it. Like all those people who never heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or all the people who have no idea who Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe is. Just because the religion I wrote of it miniscule in its follower count, does not mean it's not real! 🤣

If you have proof of your religion existing. You wouldn't need to resort to vapid and illogical comments like this. Prove your claim and I'll accept it. Make a baseless claim and I'll just reject it and move on. I don't need to consider the possibility.

Methinks my humor hath failed! 🤣 I was just havin' a laugh, Pat. Cheers!

Ho sorry if I misunderstood. It's easy to misunderstand the intent sometimes and between two troll comments a fun comment can be taken the wrong way. Sorry about that. Have a good one.

you get it

We all know how 🍊 loves the uneducated

The magaloons just want what they want, it doesn't need to make sense.

I can’t count how many times an idiot MAGA says “Oh yeah? Prove it. Show me the proof!” Um how about no, fuck you?!? It was YOUR duty as a citizen to do your homework before voting!!

They don't believe the proof when we do expend the energy to show it to them

All your proof is fake news. See how easy it is to live in lala magaland.

My favorite explanation of this phenomenon: theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

That comic was amazing. Followed you, and will now follow theoatmeal.com

It's really more like: "Guys from other countries are cheaper and we can fire them easier." Just ask Elon who fired 6,000 people in Twitter and made it lose it's worth. It's not at all about education or ability. It's about lying. The idea that we have some of the best secondary schools/1

in the world. Yet somehow we are not able to have developers that can write code is laughably wrong. It's about: "Who costs the least to do the work." Elon also fired workers in Ireland and had to pay fines in one case I remember for unfair dismissal. Ireland's Workplace Relations Commission/2

said you cannot fire by spam email and have people NOT DO A THING and therefore they are terminated. This was insane and still is. It's not about skill AT ALL. It's about hiring the cheapest workers and lying about it. All while while claiming you are for the US.

the US they won't

*secedes from the United Corporations of America*

Yup pretty much

Which has pretty much been the official Republican position since the 1960s.

Sounds like it.

So, is the plan just to like, wait until some magical fairy just swoops in and fixes America? Because it sure looks like everything is going downhill pretty fast and everybody seems to be, sort of, spectating.

When volitional ignorance as a virtue backfires.

Why do we call them “bros”? They want that title. In reality, these guys are all so socially inept that they have no friends to be bros with. They just cosplay as cool kids. Their behavior is based on what they imagine the cool kids in high school were doing while they were sitting at home, alone.

Trump voters don't yet know that they voted for the opposite of what they believed. Fewer immigrants? More. Less taxes on the middle class? More. Less crime? More. Pay less for eggs? More. No bread and circuses, just circuses.

I don't have a feel for how widespread this awakening is. Is the majority of MAGA now getting the picture? A small minority?

They still have reserves of hate food because Trump has fed them. He continues to do so, and will continue to do so because it is the only way to sustain his incompetence and evil, but some, I hope, will soon wake up.

We are starting to see cracks forming in the facade that the Maga followers have been fed. You can only fool the people so much, especially the second time around. Eventually an awakening will occur. A haven’t I been promised this before yet got none of it. You can’t promise and not give forever.😊😏

Trump voters united to take power, but only with thin threads. Some believe that they have undertaken a cultural battle, when in reality it is only monetary and to save their leader from jail. I do not believe that the union will last because the bad guys are also bad guys among themselves.

GOP always provides its voters w an urgent culture war cover for their permanent aim: removing regulations that protect their own voters & directing more money to the already rich. Just tell them it's about preschool books depicting gay sex in graphic photos & they'll run to vote R. Decades of it.

It's like this everywhere. Conservatives destroy the economy out of greed and corruption, and then people vote for liberals, who have to rebuild it. When it's working again, they vote for conservatives... But, in each cycle, liberals improve the laws, which are kept... as long as there is democracy.

That will be the downfall, I suspect -- that trump's fleet of psychopaths have EOs ready to go on Day One to roll back anything remotely prosocial that was put in place by the Biden admin, and all the way back to far before the Civil Rights Act. Trying to take the US to a feudal state ASAP.

After seeing MAGA's powers of denial, I respectfully disagree. Since 2015 the majority has gone along with every lie without question despite some of them being harmful to their interests. I don't question their ability to keep doing it and I'm curious about when the trance will break. A few? All?

If we're going by history, this kind of infatuation with a malevolent leader only ends when disaster strikes. Let's hope it's different this time.

One look at Project 2025 policies alone should be enough reason to not vote for him. MAGAs really do not want women’s rights or abortions rights or a solid education system? Come on!!!

Musk clearly said that it is cheaper to bring people from other countries than to educate Americans. What does the human matter, what does the country matter? Only money matters. Maybe money provides immortality...

You understand the problem perfectly right. They don’t want to fund education because it is way easier to control idiots. But it turns out you can’t really make your business successful hiring idiots.

Education definitely goes against a Republican philosophy

H1-B workers can't vote. Republicans probably see that as perfect.

So true. And the foreign workers will do anything to keep their jobs.

Kafala system, that's the goal of the musk, bezos.

I love uneducated people, i think Trump said...

I have managed teams of developers for projects you probably use every day. Under client financial pressure, we hired Indian developers because they were paid 1/10th the hourly rate of Americans. Their code dumps failed every QA test and required constant rewriting. In the end, they cost much more.

I remember back in the 2000s companies were replacing American software engineers with outsourced engineers in India. They even had the American engineers training their replacements as part of the severance package. The companies had the money. They wanted more and screwd American workers.

I was at AT&T when Lucent spun off. In order to increase the projected ROI, they brought in IGS H1-Bs to replace all the American support staff. It was a case of train your replacement or get out. All the network engineers said fuck you and went to Wall St where they immediately quadrupled their $$!

They bitch and moan about shortages in engineering. People spend all that money to get engineering degrees. Then you work your azzes off and get burned out getting projects established at companies. Then the companies reward you by giving you the shaft & outsourcing your job at lower wages.

That’s when all this started!! It’s been a plan for years I have always said i!

There was an entire floor at an investment bank I worked for with Indian IT workers. Sometimes these workers live in a company home with others. They have company cars too.

They take and they take and they take, then they have the nerve to tell you that nobody owes you anything. Yet they don't get it as to why they are on bottom of the bottom rung of the ladder.

foreign workers - relying on their employer for a visa - can be exploited more easily than their american counterparts www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/p...

I read a few comments and people don’t seem to get the whole awful picture. Business profits totally rely on hiring already-educated people. Business doesn’t do the education, and business avoids almost all taxes. THEY ARE FREE RIDING. Now they are hijacking foreign education as well!

They BASH the education system THEY HAVEN’T FUNDED as an excuse. Economists know all this. Free-riding is an economics concept. But we’ve been propagandized that “it’s teachers’ fault” and other garbage about American children’s characteristics. Stop valorizing business! They’re cheaters.

How abt something simple like a K-12 National Recommended Reading List? Could have been done decades ago. 100 books for kindergarten 200 books for 1st grade 300 books for 2nd grade etc. 9100 books K-12 A Fall of Moondust by Arthur C Clarke With mandatory accounting in high school. Skool Suks!

I started reading SF in 4th grade & warped my mind with a skewed paradigm. Space Prison by Tom Godwin gutenberg.org/ebooks/22549 Omnilingual gutenberg.org/ebooks/19445 Cat and Mouse gutenberg.org/ebooks/24392 The Night of the Trolls gutenberg.org/ebooks/53132 Star Surgeon gutenberg.org/ebooks/18492

"The idea that billionaires "control the population" is a complex and often debated topic." "a complex and often debated topic." A "controlled" response from chatgpt. There's no "debate". It's POLICY. From James Madison to now. Look it up. Why do u think they need a strong police force?

Yes yes, but you missed the "I'd rather have slave labor from over seas for pennies on the dollar that I can threaten with deportation or imprisonment if they dare ask for better pay/safety."

Ha! This is perfect.

And rural/Tribal children. "Provide broadband in my area so I can educate myself." Response. "Fuck off."

It’s working to uneducate Americans. It’s success is trumps election .

Yep.

It all boils down to this, dressed up in H-1B visa garb and Muskovellian disingenuousness 👇

This would be much more accurate if the old man’s pile of cookies reached the ceiling and covered the floors.

Exactly

What I love about this image is that the rich guy isn't hiding anything. The white worker isn't being duped. He is looking at the situation, and agrees that the black man is the problem.

Sad truth

Exactly! These tech people and doctors from other countries got a FREEEEEE education. I know because I’ve worked cleaning their houses. They also can’t vote. So this system creates multiple problems. We should not only blame America’s education system but the companies who hire them!

In a nutshell.

Brilliant

It's more like, you are to expensive, we will go hire offshore.

Exactly this. But let’s get rid of the Department of Education. 🙄

Instead of getting rid of it, reform the whole system! Abandon the “no child left behind” policy and make it so people actually have to put in effort to graduate schools and colleges!

This I agree with

They don't want to pay for that part just the part that makes them richer and more powerful.

Ya they’ll pay, at reduced rates for immigrant labor. But then they’ll also deport immigrants providing labor for countless other industries. Techbros…

Nothing like complaining that the educated are the problem, attacking educational institutions, wanting to abolish the DoE; in the next breath we aren't smart enough for tech jobs! As a nation, WE CANNOT COMPETE GLOBALLY W/O AN EDUCATED POPULATION! Not 1/2 the population or only the kids w/$$$!

Let them destroy education. Maybe it will mean less competition and I finally get hired in IT. (i shouldn't need to say this but this is a joke)

As someone in IT, know how you feel. Wondering when out of touch politicians will stop saying "learn to code". Americans did, we watched the jobs then go to people with H1B's having the same skillset for half the wage. They won't complain lest they get deported.

My nephew has his degrees in computer science and specializes in AI. But he can’t find a full-time job. Instead, he chases temporary contracts around the country. He considering a move to Canada.

Please encourage him to try. The province has a say - some are easier (QC requires French). Eric Schmidt on Canada and AI: youtu.be/AtgJhZOhFsQ?...

An immigration lawyer or Regulated Canadian Immigration Consultant can be hired to help. www.canada.ca/en/immigrati...

This video is interesting. My AI company is relocating to Ireland and Japan because the US is invalidating AI patents. We invented a revolutionary AI that can run on a CPU and solve problems that all the compute power on Earth would be unable to solve in trillions of years.

Hi! I'm a reporter at the Atlantic working on a story about recent CS graduates who are having trouble getting jobs. I saw your post about your nephew ... do you think he'd be willing to talk with me for the story? If so, please let me know the best number for him. My email is olga@theatlantic.com

Here too. And all his very talented friends.

He should! There are some great AI industries here in the big cities. Even at my University, we are throwing a lot of money into AI (he could apply to be a Master’s student here).

Canada would certainly embrace him. A great mind is a terrible thing to throw away. Bienvenue au 🇨🇦

Im very tempted to try and start freelance work myself, but im gonna need to stretch my programmer muscles first. They've been atrophying.

Yeah it's the same for me. I have a programming job doing random stuff all the time. Fix this cert, track down these credentials, set up this connection or pipeline, blah, blah, but actual coding I'm so rusty

Me too. So what I do is each time I do one of these odd jobs I try to code some of the steps at some level with the thought that next time I do a similar task I'll have my own coded tool to help. Ie automate as much as you can of your own job.

Good stuff

After many years of this type of work, I finally lucked into a team that took a large, heavily used windows app from 50% done to completion, then a web portal from the ground up, looking at some actual coding work in new to me languages now. Worked on amazing teams 10 out of my 11.5 years here. But

if I lose a job tomorrow, none of it will matter. People will look at my resume, see an older woman (even if they are off by 15 years, it'd still be too old for IT) and simply not call back. Coworker my age was laid off a year ago and still looking afaik, and he's an Anglo guy.

I love what I do, but if I had to start over again, I'd probably ask my past self if there's a less ageist/sexist field she can get into. Programming as a career isn't sustainable long term because of this, there's a reason so many devs end up in middle management (🤮+ was never an option for me)

Middle manager seems like the least appealing destination to me too, and for my kids I'm trying to help them ask these same questions about a career. It's hard to navigate

At least you got a job working with computers that pays you well. Im just a janitor.

Janitors kept the world turning, but if you want to get into programming, I believe in you

Let AI do that for you. Most of these companies don't understand half of what we do. For 2025 I plan to generate a shitload of content cus I stopped giving a fuck

Sensing a promotion in your future

Is an unemployed promotion homelessness, I don't want it D:

Christ, no.

Then make a better LinkedIn No need for the fringe or thought leadership crap, just the "I know my trade well" crap. Being told I was not "strategic enough" when my whole ass resume is strategy was my breaking point

Wow

Also, Americans can leave a job if they want to, H1b visa employees can’t - you have far better control and leverage

Mmmmmm🙂

I worked for AT&T for 22+ yrs. When I started, I was trained both in house, and sent to outside training. I was a Unix and system programmer already - but they gave me more to be better for the company. Over the years I saw this die, and training budgets dried up. Quality left the building long ago.

Starting in the 80s some radical economists were able to convince CEOs that the only purpose that corporations serve is to make money for investors immediately this quarter without concern for longevity of the company or any concern for its ethical position

Yes; if I had a penny for every time someone in the C-suite said "Shareholder Value" I'd be a millionaire.

TBF I think that was always the definition of the firm, but spreadsheets came out and don’t really make it easy to model abstractions like “murdering children”, “shitting in the water supply”, or “killing the cash cow.” Sure make it easy to see this quarter’s profit though.

Yes, this pretty much covers it

It's starting to bite the magas! Lol! 🤣😂

Tech companies hire foreigners because they cost a lot less.

And they risk their visa if they lose their job. If they want to stay, they must obey.

How does eliminating the Department of Education fit in here?

Yup, that's the asymptotes of tech-bros ~ closest point of approach without physical contact.

If we give every child TFG's bible, they will be blessed with the knowledge needed.

The US. Wants educated workers Defunds education Despises immigrants 🤷

"They want to shut down the Department of Education, leaving Americans less educated and unprepared for high-skill jobs. Meanwhile, they push to increase H-1B visa workers, who can be underpaid and controlled by the threat of deportation. This weakens American workers and exploits vulnerable labor."

Nailed it

That’s about it

This is the flip side of the capitalist arc we are seeing with China…

This is so true. America doesn't put the resources into education like other countries.

Americans allow their elected and non-elected officials to misallocate resources and steal funds, especially education funds. Americans love fighting and hating each other for the approval of their two-party treason system. Education teaches against all that, so Americans instead abandon education.

The US allocates shit tons of money to education. 2024 is shaping up to be around 180bn dollars in support of education in the US. The states decide how their share of the money is allocated and that's where the problem lay. If a works project needs funding and all that money is just lying there...

Elon musk, like Steve Jobs, just bullies engineers and stands on their work as if it's his own.

“All this is my doing, because I’m the best at yelling at the techies to work harder.”

Do you have to group Felon with the late Steve Jobs? I know Steve could be challenging to work with, but he was a perfectionist who delivered amazing keynotes. Felon, on the other hand, not impressed I was actually embarrassed for him when he announced the cybertruck

I currently drive a Tesla, and I hate that I love my car so much. I recently bought a sticker that reads, "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

I agree, but is this the hill you want to die on? Jobs doesn't need any more champions. He was worshipped in life, plus he's dead now. Why not save your pity for the living?

I don’t think I was feeling pity for anyone. I just nicely asked for a different comparison, maybe Fuckerberg or Bezos. There have only been two people who indirectly impacted my life through their work and inspired me.

Except that Musk never actually built anything. Jobs at least did a lot of the direct work on the Apple 1.

Basically what I'm saying is techbros have always sucked but our current crop, and especially Musk, are way worse than those of the past.

This is what's crazy, not just about that non tech, business hoarder, but rich people who don't pay taxes and poor people licking boots. Businesses benefit from an educated populace. They need to pay more in taxes for that benefit.

Seems legit 😁

Pretty much it, with the addition of Elonia using the r-slur towards them

You got it!

I've been cringing about this for a while. so many imports while Americans are left behind. It's been going on for decades and why no one can afford higher education without huge loans. Totally fine for foreign students to get scholarships and subsidies, but not for Americans. Shameful.

Pretty much, yeah. Although the temporary visas are not the problem, it’s the lack of support for public education. I had the privilege of teaching many CUNY students, but far fewer than I could have. I could have taught about 3 times as many.

And there you have it for those who thought he was the next big idea! He does not care who he tramples over, he just wants to get to the top! Yes war with America and has his putin russia troops to back him up! Soon maybe others from other countries cuz he is also messing with elections in Italy +…

Elog will go to war... or dye trying... or something. He uses a lot of big words that mean *nothing*.

Don’t get the real president mad.

the austrian painter was right

Musk got an F1 visa and then worked illegally; he's lying out of his teeth here Dang, I'm running low on popcorn

Haha technically Elon is an illegal thanks for reminding me, so Elon might be getting sent home

Okay, Darth Lord of the Sith ... Jedi Knights, come to order of the Council by the will of the Force. Because in 2025, we gonna need some s**t like dat. #bluesky #starwars #goodvsevil #powergrab #deathstar

Correct. The dumbing down of America has been happening for decades. 50% of this country is 90% stupid, and Republicans planned this for control. Now that the stupid has put a 34-count convicted felon, rapist in our WH, the GOP will rake in major profits.

reagan cut funding for mental services, then we got....

They just want cheap tech labor.

As always

Yup. Why pay a locally competitive wage for programmers when you can pay near minimum wage to foreigners for the same work? Notice how companies always tell you to not talk about your pay rate with other workers?

and notice the amount of resources companies will spend to stop workers from unionizing

Cheap?? DOGE wants volunteers: www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...

if the tech Bros were honest, they want the coders, but they want to pay on McDonald's wages or to 2.15 hour with no tips

BINGO!

I guess they consider hiring americans as a DEI hire!

Exactly. Yes. You can buy an education but the going rate is indentured servitude.

This is why I am on SNAP now: a) my own student loan debt, and b) paying for my children's BS degree level so they don't have to go into debt they can't get out from under. Now I'm looking for a bankruptcy lawyer... But at least my children don't have to go through this BS for a BS.

You mean, you can buy a piece of paper that says you're qualified and get into debt. Where's if you train for free, make things and network doors will open much more quickly!

Boss' orders backed by threat of violence (deportation) makes desperate, traitorous scabs out of ordinary people.

Nearly half of four-year graduates graduate debt-free; of the remainder, the average debt is around $30k, which costs about $4k/year to pay off in ten years. The college wage premium is about $30k/year. See SA-14A here: research.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/Tr...

Selecting a line of work that doesn’t require a degree and still pays well is an option. Say you save $50k/yr on tuition and average $60k in your first 4 years of work, you are $440k ahead of a grad day 1. 20 years invested in $SPY $440k =~ $3m. Debt free just means someone paid.

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That's cuz Americans like Unions and won't take crap from Management....

Wrong on so many levels... While this horribly oppressive system has you hating immigrants for "taking jobs" that they willingly give to prison inmates but charge prices as if the goods and services are produced by fairly paid individuals... Enough is ENOUGH

Exactly this lol

These dweebs ruin everything they touch

I grew up on stories from my mother about two of her brothers who after their bachelor their new employers PAID for them to get their masters so they'd have the skills their employers needed. I love that those same brothers now are Republicans /s

And I know that they've been told, and believe what they were told, that if we'd just cut taxes on business they'd do it again, instead of realizing and accepting that the tax cuts given & mergers that followed destroyed competition and ALLOWED them to stop offering anything like it.

Fixed it for you.

Exactly!!! Followed by 'I will go to WAR on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. ' WHY aren't we reacting to this imminent threat of terrorism against the American People! They instantly LOCKED UP the girl who said 'DefendDenyDepose' to an insurance co. ELON gets: 🦗

Thank you for that correction!

If they can't find one, fine 1 hib visa =2 years paid education ,books and expenses for 1 us citizen. And an added 1 year for each relative imported.

Yep, that about sums it up.

Exactly!

That pointy headed jerk, I see someone badly in need of a passport and a deportation order.

That about covers it.

Apologies, but Brits ALWAYS thought Americans were morons...

But they do hire Americans. In particular, SpaceX hired one of my former Differential Equations students. One that got a C. I wish I was joking. But I’m not.

I bet he had hustle though.

I actually still talk to him once in awhile. He’s a good kid. Well, not a kid anymore. He told me it clicked for him later. Nothing wrong with that. Some topics took me a long time to figure out, too.

if you went to a school as rigorous as mine a C in diffy q would qualify you for most anything not requiring nepotism

School of Hard Knocks

I've said diff eq all this time and now I will take diffy q. Thank you.

I call it by its full name, Diff Eq, or DEs. I have never seen it called diffy q.

Me either but I thought it was funny.

Haven’t Weve all scratched our names into the desks of our forebears? Some read phonetically some read sonically.

MAGA is quickly learning.

Not fast enough though. . . We need them to turn on their beloved master dipshit. That's the ONLY way we get this country back without a civil war. And we haven't got a lot of time. They will drive the division into the ground when they get into office.

Something about having their staff not having "agency" as to which culture they were born into, from people unable to find staff. ;)

It's also such a big part of the Right's narrative that education and especially the sciences in particular are bad and not to be trusted. So you have generations of kids that will not be educated and unable to fill the roles that the country needs to be safe much less competitive.

Bingo! Because for 30 years they have resented having to build factories overseas to get the cheapest labor. That will change.

San Fransisco is still the best place in the world to build successful software companies. It is the main advantage the US has built over the EU in the last 30 years (in terms of GDP growth and tech dominance).

It's much cheaper to outsource education to less expensive countries and import the particular skills sought. An additional feature of this model is that when the particular skills become less than useful, they are easily discarded. It's the basic throw-away model that runs the Capitalist system.

And if the H1-B employee gets "uppity," bye bye visa.

It cause the American right make religious matters political that why I hate the fact non religious women can’t have abortions cause Christians decided there bad not cause science did

Its wild that even a masters degree in todays market im constantly getting "No thanks", for over 14 months since graduating. Mind you i am a veteran, and have 10+ years in tech exp. The masters degree hasn't done anything for me, and since elon bought twitter the industry's been free falling.

Same happened in the UK under Johnson and Sunak who allowed 2 million people in on skilled visas, and rates in tech have collapsed (in the UK they were pretty shit even before).

Thank 20+ years of bi-partisan pandering to tech bros

Correct, even when these tech bros haven't done anything except discover more annoying ways to serve us ads and mine/sell our data. Gone are the days of anything useful coming out of the valley...

"I wish we could educate them but if we did they'd see through our plans."

Why you think they want AI? They're hoping it can do exactly that.

Looking at some of thje nazi zionists on this site.....I can agree with the "fuck off". They don't even understand definitions from Oxford English dictionary.....Talk about dumb!

Worked in tech most of my life. Getting a company to train people has been rare and often difficult. They'd rather poach someone with those skills from another company than invest in the people they have (and then be afraid those people will be poached by other companies).

Yup

Exactly, but you must retrain yourself constantly. Otherwise, your skills get obsoleted quickly, and you can lose economic viability within 20 years. You will be 45 years old with a worthless resume.

That’s the market, bro. Unite and work together…

The scorning and mockery of educated coastal "elites" seems to be a selling point among the under-achievers. Even Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, who attended ivy league universities, participate in the charade. They are defiantly unabashed hypocrites.

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Get yourself educated. Stop being such a weak, helpless, dependent little girl.

get a scholarship it's how I got my broke ass through still broke but eh

Sounds about white

To continue what the bigger one is saying: Fuck off. They have demands. Educate yourself little fucker. I learned more on a 6 month placement on my mom's trading floor than I did in all my schooling. They want me to give them money. For them to give to you. Communism, of course.

You didn't learn to express yourself clearly.

That seems to be a perfect summary of the situation.

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That’s not why they want to import techies. Ann C nailed it for once.

I have a theory that everyone is right about something. It’s a corollary to the stopped clock truism. And here we are.

True!

Yes

Isn't it Musk's position that Americans don't need higher education?

He tweeted « college is overrated » (it was quoted by someone here on my Bluesky feed a few minutes ago).

Haven’t heard that, but it sounds consistent with his pathology. He doesn’t have the education he claimed; just like trump. They hate educated people who can see straight through their bullshit about their education

« That's Socialism ! »

It's male immigrants they want to bring in right?

its only males, you wont see anything else.

The county is live in tried to get a tech school for high school level kids but people here wouldn't have it. We could have been the go-to place for tech learners but the folks here couldn't see the advantage of it. All I could do is /facepalm.

For so long they have been telling people education doesn’t matter, but other countries continue to educate.

Nevermind, because then theY won't hire educated people because they are too expensive, etc etc.

and would vote liberal

They can't vote. They wouldn't be citizens.

Obama set up a huge fund for coal workers to be retrained and only a small percentage to advantage of it. So many of Americans do not want to be educated.

Because they're thinking, a lot of people come from nothing, and she needs to talk

It's almost as if their health insurance is tied to their job...oh wait

That and we won't hire Americans because they expect benefits, good pay, and company/management accountability.

And can't be threatened with deportation

I’ve honestly never seen anything out of America that suggests Americans get paid well.

I don't know anyone in Europe making six figures in my role, while in the US that's the starting salary. That being said, you get a lot more for your dollar overseas. 4€ is a good croissant and an espresso based drink. In the US that doesn't even cover half the cost.

Well that would be because we are charged an arm and a leg for literally everything. Housing and groceries take up more than half of most people's paychecks. Healthcare is unaffordable for everyone but the top 10%. Someone in the US can make $100k a year and still go bankrupt trying to live.

"Well" is a subjective term for sure, but compared to the $1 per day some of the foreigners get, we're much better off.

The workplace matters. A friend worked at plastic extruusion factory 9one that makes bottles, plates, packaging) somewhere in Salt lake City area. They work 12-14 hours per dayin room where temperature varies from 40C to 50C.

Lots of workers had died from heart issues. OSHA doesn't care, there is no regulations about that. In Eu, in Russia, even in China the owner would get multiple criminal charges. That's not just health risk. That's lethally dangerous conditions

I think that misses the point. This is about them wanting to bring highly educated individuals into tech.

No l, the point is not highly educated people. The point is indentured servitude. People working on H-1Bs are not allowed to quit their job or they get deported. They will also work for lower wages and less benefits than Americans. This is the new age outsourcing.

Capitalism doing what it is designed to do.

lol then you aren’t paying attention.

levels.fyi

That just about sums it up!

It's the same position that has driven the US oligarchy for decades: "If Americans want jobs, then they have to accept being paid and treated like Chinese labor."

Yes. This. But it's also all about lower salaries and no ability to move to another job easily (de-facto indentured servants)

Bingo.

Elon's way of busting unions. The rich get richer and the poor just voted for their own chains.

LOSERS

Another reason we need immigrants. Who else will fill the jobs that Americans are too stupid to qualify for? Not only do we need immigrants to take the jobs Americans don’t want (picking fruit, etc.), we need them for the jobs Americans don’t know how to do.

Exactly. The ideal situation is for every American to be unemployed and have brown people doing all the labor for practically free

When you analyze the education statistics globally, you see that Americans are not in the top ten. Now add the fact that you need to borrow money to attend college even if you score high academically. You will be in debt for 20 years or more. Then everyone asks why we need international brains 🧠?

You're correct. Now go back to about 1983 and the "No Child Left Behind" Act. This legislature led the federal government to tie funding to test results, the tests primarily being multiple choice. So teachers taught to the tests; critical thinking skills went by the wayside. Dumbing down of America.

Absolutely correct, and now we have brain drain in the USA and all these smart people coming in that received an education for next to nothing as it is funded in their countries.

Yep

Oh, and while we're at it, let's cut funding to Head Start. Great way to build an educated country for the generations.

Well said!

Tech bros making bank off of non-US investments in public education! Education arbitrage

“International brains” have long been an excuse to drive down wages in STEM fields in the USA - so those kids will have a harder time with huge student loans. Especially when RepugliKKKans kill any effort to alleviate the huge student loans.

I say help Americans with student loans and let brains from all over the world come in. STEM unemployment in the US is almost non-existent and new start up and solutions are creating new jobs all the time

I like it.

Government should be there to enable its people to overcome issues that are inevitable in the free market, like education or health care or transport. But today we have a President who wants to occupy Greenland so there that goes.

Total concocted BS - just ask any older American in STEM over age 50. I just left Intel where we were all replaced by cheap H1Bs or to Intel India offshore

Im in STEM and over 50, you have to keep evolving, nothing new. STEM positions have been always been hard on older workers who don't develop management skills, even back in the day, young people, new technology

Haha so all us American workers at Intel “didn’t keep up” - typical H1B excuse making.

I think this take is a little divorced from reality. Tech as a sector has layed off almost half a million employees flooding the market. There is no shortage of people complaining that they can’t find a job with 10+ years of experience. Foreign brains is not a necessity or a solution.

I’ve seen this in several downturns of the past thirty years - yet H1B levels are always 100-200K a year no matter what.

There have been some hard years like 2003, but overall its one of the best careers anyone can get, I know this from doing it for over 30 years myself. I have almost always have a near wealthy income and the flexibility to work anywhere in the world.

Yeah your personal anecdote isn’t very meaningful - take a larger sample from say LinkedIn. My own experience is the 90s were the best, but since the H1B con job wages and opportunities are depressed. I was billing $100-$125 an hour in the ‘90s, now more like $75. Comfortable still but lost a bit

Well in the late 90s there was a massive bubble, it was unsustainable. $75 and hour is $3,000 a week, $12,000 a month. That is a great deal of money, and its been sustainable.

So you are saying the problem is the education system is bad, but rather "grabbing by the source" and fixing it, they go and get cheaper workforce, who were taught better and cheaper? No wonder they voted for trump AGAIN in Dumbfuckistan and the elite likes it this way.

You are right, what needs to happen is an increase of spending for education. Make College affordable again. Invest in America instead of outsourcing our brains.

Or the Rs could allow education to be funded.

Hahahaha! Everyone, get a load of this guy. 😂

New memo From: Sissy SpaceX Subject: New naming convention Distribution: Global The term "MAGA" will be replaced with the more descriptive and apt term I invented, "subtard," effective immediately. This expands on the previous term, "teabagger," which MAGA replaced. Now, subtards, GFY!

Co-signed by illegal immigrant Elon Musk.

Skilled jobs like POTUS?

Doh!

😂😂

That’s going to bite him in the arse hard. You don’t slap the Maga monster on the face and expect to keep your hand. So much for the genius of musk, he’s a blithering idiot when it comes to understanding people, mainly because he’s always fired alternated views from his companies.😉

Oh for sure! As a survivor of the first Trump administration, I can tell you one of his Cardinal rules was: “don’t ever offend the people who support me.” It didn’t matter if they were Nazis, skin heads, criminals, if they were Trumpers he never said a bad thing about them.

I would say that is correct

Exactly.

That's the way it was in healthcare in my early days. No experience...no job. We all seemed to find way to get ourselves experienced. Not a new scenario.....

That is about right...

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Yeah, that breaks it down nicely.

Nailed it. Americans are too dumb for higher ed, they have to learn the trades that will be obsolete in 30 years due to AI.

We’ll always need people that can build things, but right now most of those jobs go to Spanish-speaking immigrants. Drive by any home construction site and you’ll hear it. Where does that leave Americans?

Running the company those emigrants are working for...

This is true. Now if the government really wanted to cut the numbers of undocumented workers all it would have to do is send ICE Agents on raids at job sites and charge companies that hire them $20,000 per infraction, no excuses, but that’s an economy killer.

Exactly

Immigrants do jobs that Americans don’t want to do. They contribute to the economy. We should have a highly educated workforce that benefits our country. We need Americans with critical thinking skills. Having skills to build and create will always be in demand.

I agree, but we’re getting squeezed on both ends of the spectrum. As we price people out of college and those same people reject unskilled employment, the answer on both ends is immigrant labor. All of this is compounded by a low birth rate and good old American racism. We are our own worst enemy.

who's rejecting unskilled employment? lots of people try to become managers and CEOs.

lol! And many succeed in failing in those positions.

Stop with that worn out trope. We aren't getting a highly educated force when people keep exploiting uneducated immigrants, as many are. Why aren't we investing in our citizens' education? Why are there 100k plus unemployed American tech workers who are highly qualified and not able to jobs?

“Spanish-speaking immigrants” don’t count as Americans? Would you have said the same about Italian-speaking immigrants? Irish Catholics? Swedes? Chinese-speaking railroad workers?

No disrespect intended, but that’s just who I have personally encountered. I had a guy from Guatemala doing work on my house who gave me some inside information.

If you and people like you weren't hiring him, he would go back to Guatemala...

Do you honestly think that’s the answer? The quality and cost of American trade labor is the problem. Anyone who’s been ripped off by contractor knows that.

So basically we need emigrant labor...

Absolutely!

Plenty of Americans also speak spanish. The overwhelming majority of my classmates who spoke Spanish were born and raised in the US. Yes, companies will use illegal immigrants for cheep labor in some sectors. You take their papers, and threaten to deport them if they don't accept your shit wages.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 20% of American households speak a second language other than English. I’m not sure if that accounts for the plenty of Americans who also speak Spanish, but it should certainly be a second official language in this country.

We all come from immigrants one way or another and just because they speak a foreign language to each other doesn’t mean they are not ‘American’ or ‘illegal’. This is the problem with so many people if one is not ‘Caucasian’ they’re not ‘American’?

Really? What about Native Americans?

Now UR just being obstinate. But if you want to be technical the First migration shows their DNA is closely shared W/ East Serbia and Asia via land bridges Of course there are other migrations throughout history & validated by archaeological studies They are the First people here’Americans’

Before you ask me for a reference. 🤗 Starting in Africa with our early hominin relatives (who are more closely related to us than to chimpanzees), visitors will travel forward in time to meet our ancient human relatives as they spread into Europe and Asia. www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/the...

lol, and I’m the one being obstinate? How many millions of years did you go back for this one? Why not just keep going backwards until you get to Africa?

Doesn’t matter does it.

I know that most monolinguals in this country are Americans. 🤪

Do you now? How so 🧐

Well you could Google census data if that’s not too much trouble for you.

No, YOU said you know ‘most’ Americans are monolingual so how many folks do you in particular know? 5,10,15? Millions, billions?

Do you want me to do the math for you too?

Americans who want to work construction have no problem finding jobs. Immigrants aren't replacing Americans, they're creating jobs, paying into SS w/o receiving benefits, and helping the economy. We've always been a nation of immigrants. We're the melting pot of the world. It's what makes us great.

Yep and if all immigrants dropped their tools and left the U.S. tomorrow, the home construction industry would collapse.

It's immigrants wanting to send money home to their families that are willing to roof a house in 100 degree plus temperatures. I see it all the time. They're not displacing a bunch of Americans who were jonesing to climb up there in those conditions.

And I never heard an American say that foreign fruit picker took my job.

That's because they're like rabid dogs with fucking bones. They don't want it, but they don't want an immigrant to have it. It's racist horseshit. We should be making every single immigrant that's eligible legal. Period. It stimulates the goddamn economy with revenue and labor.

I could not have said it better.

Thank you. . . 😊

I’m unfamiliar with any white males struggling for work as a laborer in construction.

if you find any white men doing manual labor work it because they just came out of drug rehab. That’s what happen to majorly white people become drugs swept through their communities like roaches 🪳 and they yelling for more drug treatment facilities. Where was outcry for blacks during the 70’/80’s

If you aren't Native American in North America, then you're either an immigrant, or you come from immigrants. It's that freakin' simple. And I really wish some of these morons would take an ancestry test so they can SEE. Because their results sure as shit aren't gonna come back "white American".

Tap for the answer..

How do you know that they’re not Americans? Where I live Spanish is the second most spoken language followed by Farsi and by American born people that are descended of foreigners. Just. Like. You. Are.

I’ve already responded in the thread.

That's what's happening.AI technology is very sophisticated now.It probably won't take 30 years to do what you're talking about

AI can't preform physical labor, and automation isn't really viable for anything that doesn't take place within a controlled space (ex. A factory). You can get a robot to assemble a car in a factory, you can't really get one to come to your house & fix your pipes.

That's not to say that higher education isn't useful, or that these people saying "just learn a trade dumbass" are the truth tellers.

I have yet to see AI come over and install HVAC or update a complete plumbing system.

That's not true at all. Americans aren't too dumb for higher education. There are plenty of Americans who are educated enough to fill the jobs given to immigrants on H1B visas. It's about control employees dependent on their jobs to stay here don't ever rock the boat, never disagree with management.

Lot of those trades aren't really gonna go away. Unless robots get both significantly better and significantly cheeper, they just aren't viable in a lot of trades beyond manufacturing. I don't think we're gonna have robot plumbers in 2055.

The advances in AI in just a short amount of time beg to differ. We need college educated to invent and create robots that do plumbing and other menial tasks that we control.

It'll take more than brains. It's just more convenient to use a guy you can pay a salary than it is to invest in a robot, unless someone finds a way to make them dirt cheep.

Jeff you don't understand the difference between a fork and a spoon correctly

Our education system SUCKS because the rednecks don't think their kids should be taught the FACTS

Exactly!!

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It’s much easier to run a business if you have someone to oppress. That is the unfortunate truth, and also why I’m not a businessman.

They import workers at a lower rate. Indians won’t want to unionise or upset the apple cart they are very submissive and will give in to any kind of abuse to keep their jobs. I can say this cause I am Indian and I know how quick they are to bare their throats, well not me; raised different.

This is the correct answer.

Yep. The GOP have been sabotaging the school system for decades now.

Ever since Brown vs. Board of Education, if not since the FLSA of 1938.

Funny how the DOGE crew picked the party with the least voters having a college degree.

We thought we were past being a nation built on the broken backs of those with no choice, but, without education, we are condemning our citizens to be a nation of indentured servants who die for the pleasure and whims of oligarchs. Breaking backs to build a railroad are now broken for a Mars dream.

Sad truth!

He just want to exploit these people and have cheap labor.

Pretty much.

That pretty much covers it.

"public schools suck" Then pay more taxes to make them better. "Wait not like that" I live in a very nice school district where people pass their levies.

Every kid has access to a Chromebook in our school. They rolled out remote learning day 1 of COVID lockdown. I didn't even realize they are Title 1 due to lots of low income kids. We have some of the best outcomes in the state. Good pay too.

Our district is so popular it attracts teachers nationally.

I will take a wild guess and say you don’t live in Mississippi.

Or Floriduh

Better at West Virginia

Throwing money at education does not work if you piss it away on DEI and not teaching he basics 4 out of every 10 children entering High School in he US can't read or write.

Not what I said. And the right considers "Teaching about Slavery" DEI. Schools forcibly graduate students due to parent pressure mostly. And most of those parents aren't Biden voters.

What? You mean the folks whose only priority is to make money, actually don’t want to spend any on training & developing workers? Shocking! 🙄

Yes and we only want the folks with the smart blood- to avoid the poisoning of course.

Oh My ..... This is getting better by the day ....!!!

LMAO is it MAGA? When over 90% of the BIG tech comapnies support morally and finacially he Democrats?

True then, true now.

Yes!

They want foreign workers so they can exploit them and not pay a qualified American a living wage🧐😳😤There not only taking advantage of them they’re taking advantage of every American 🇺🇸 🤯Thieves 🤌 🫳 Greed

Not exactly. Musk said, "... super talented engineers AND super motivated in the USA is far too low ...". "Super motivated" = visa hires can't switch jobs under their visas and will work for much less than Americans. He was here illegally; we should deport him and seize his assets.

"all the super motivated blacks disappeared after slavery was abolished" 🤔

You nailed it. All this discourse revolving around Americans being uneducated just plays into his goofy narrative. There are masses of talented, brilliant engineers and techies in America. The problem is pay and subservience. They're much harder to bully and short change.

The U.S. is ranked third in the world for graduating engineers. Around 120,000 graduate each year with engineering degrees from some of the best universities in the world. Elon's narrative is a fairy tale he hopes Republicans will buy into so he can hire cheap foreign labor.

It's all about the Benjamins....

That is exactly true! They’re hoping MAGA believes the spin!

Talented engineer are way better served in Canada / UK / EU.

Unfortunately at least in IT tech, Canada is an awful place to work. Our wage suppression is very real. I'm just about forced to look for remote work in the United States to achieve a middle class salary.

This is not so simple, I am almost done with my Canadian PhD in AI and the best place to go to is the bay area. The most ambitious people like to go there for their career. I am German and there is nothing comparable in the EU. I agree on educating people and basic social welfare for everyone.

Dude might actually be the single biggest example of election interference in american history.

Besides, if it wasn't for inherited money he'd be on the street. He's not that talented. He buys talent.

Just another corporate scam.

Hopefully no one believes we don’t have educated talent in this country. Hubs & I worked in healthcare IT most of our careers & the only reason the USA hires from other countries is cheap labor. WE were then burdened with the fallout of poor support, training & keeping the peace among US clients 😡

So true!

Companies don’t want to invest in their employees. And the rich don’t want to pay taxes to properly educate our workforce. And our public educational system is not structured to teach the skills needed to compete in this economy.

Couldn’t have said it better. Like; DON’T HAVE SEX but have more babies, to women.

Jeff! How can they possibly support Free. Public. Education? Education needs to be parceled off to the highest bidder! Much more reasonable to import people who are already educated! That way they've leveraged the investment on education./s (But it is what they want.)

But no the USA is trying to make it harder for legal and illegal immigration and Donald doesn’t know the difference

Trump’s administration has flat-out said that they’ll also target “naturalized citizens” if they made errors on their paperwork however many years ago. The cruelty, and the racism, is the point.

so if that elon going bye bye

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. We are both the greatest place on earth but too ineffective to educate our people 🙃

We are definitely not the greatest place on Earth. I don’t think we have been since… 2017? 2018?

Is my sarcasm detector borked or are you being really generous?

I’m serious. United States is an absolute joke now. The election results should be one indicator. The job market is another.

No, I meant it's been not-great/a joke for a hell of a lot longer than that. Maybe since its inception.

Naw, it is great The question if for who and how much sway do they have on media representation

Great how?

If your name is elon musk it's amazing

Yes, well, the majority of us aren't him.

The upper class absolutely stinks.

You left out the idea that nearly all the places where people actually live are hellscapes.

under guise of scorning elite institutions while banging the drum for trades, these special interest ayn rand fantasists have been at it for years. using phony discrimination claims, they ironically go on to attack credentialing and licensure- driving down trade wages necessary for upward mobility.

Mass economic migration to drive down wages has always been driven by the Conservative right. It’s astonishing they’ve been so successful in convincing many people that the left are to blame.

Is that why they are pouring in during the Biden term? Biden is really a republican?

Both US parties are right-wing.

Uni-Party. The rest is just BS.

Cannot wait for the mass deportations and zero immigration. Is this day one or two of Cheeto’s presidency? Should go lovely with the border wall he had Mexico pay for…..oh wait. Biden wouldn’t have worried about illegal immigration if Trump had kept his promise.

No. Republicans are helped by illegal workers far more than Dems. "You have to do whatever I say and if you report ANYTHING its back to Venezuela with you? Sign me up." Republicans are just trying to get to a system where they can treat YOU like that as well.

So you're saying democrats are worthless and only republicans own businesses? Can't say I agree with that.

So this is what you open with. Give you some advice. Politics being like 90% of your personality is... Makes it hard to take any of your political status seriously. Libturd.... Heh

Guess we know why I don't follow you, sourpuss.

I'll have you know my puss is very sweet. The nerve.

PS That was supposed to say political stances. Not status.

This you right? What I'm saying is only Republicans own businesses that explicitly benefit on a mass scale from illegal workers. Type of businesses Republicans and Democrats own tend to be different. When they do overlap the run differently typically. Granted every citizen benefits from it.

No

That's a dumb as fuck take 🤣

Enlighten us with your vast business experience.

Before that what do you think I said? Because what I typed and how you to responded aren't matching.

There's a total of four paragraphs. Can you point out a flaw in any of them? They can't report anything, because they are legal immigrants will get deported immediately. The Republican party has very much been union busting crippling workers ability to organize.

Keep believing your two party fantasy.

I don't really believe in any party system. I just have eyes, ears,a functional memory and the ability to use a search engine.

Again I don't know exactly what you're talking about. I'm trying to connect what I typed to what you typed and im not seeing.

All of this!The economic ignorance in which this discussion is being held is embarrassing.M mocks the ignorance which says something as he’s not exactly bright. But there’s no pushback on his lies?Many on the left just believe him&care more re being anti-xenophobic than facts🙄 x.com/ceceyy/statu...