On the other hand the other joint deputy is fully staunch in support of the trans community bsky.app/profile/rach...

Sure but if people are (correctly) writing off Your Party for Adnan Hussain's transphobia, I don't see how electing Ali to Green deputy leader should be any different

I think the difference is the Greens are an existing party and its going to take a while to get rid of the transphobes whereas Corbyn's party is brand new and straight away they've put some transphobic guy as the number 3 public face of the party.

That's fair enough but Ali was elected by the membership right now as the joint number 2 public face of the party, presumably because Green members want him and agree with his views. This isn't some legacy member they're actively trying to get rid of

ali was vague and evasive about his views until literally the day votes closed THEN he went mask off, i don't think there was a large number of people who voted for him knowing what he represented when openly transphobic candidates were wiped off the map

I think a lot of people know him primarily for his local organising.

Well yeah it's not great obviously but the Greens are at least moving vaguely in the right direction instead of whatever the fuck your party are doing at the moment.

Are they though? Every time they get rid of one terf in a senior position, they manage to appoint another one. I'm honestly not seeing any major improvement. The new leader is better on trans rights than Corbyn but if anti-LGBT views are still represented at the top of the party how does that help?

if you have a look at the results of every position elected today - and there were somewhere in the region of 15 - the TERFs have lost in almost every single one.

I get your point and yeah, it isn't great. I don't really know anything about the guy they've selected so I'm not sure if he's vocally transphobic or people just didn't realise there was that aspect to him when voting for him.

He isn’t vocally transphobic tbh, not on the same way at least. He answered some questions very badly and mosh people I told didn’t even know about it

As I understand it he hasn't said anything vocally transphobic, but he has trenchantly refused to sign the LGBT pledge and won't answer questions about whether he supports trans rights. He defended Hussain (after voting closed), talking about 'purity tests'. It doesn't look great

Not defending Your Party at all, they can get lost if they don't sort out Hussain asap, but the Greens clearly have problems too and I really don't want to see that glossed over

At the moment both groups are in the same place having chosen someone who is ambivalent about trans rights for a position of influence. Corbyn made a pro trans statement the other day and Polanski is vocal on the rights but until both take some actual action they're just platitudes

That’s about where I stand atm

Oh no, it shouldn't be glossed over at all. I just think the Your Party situation is much much less redeemable; like this is how they're choosing to set out whilst hopefully the Greens are going through some sort of transitionary period, no matter how slow or imperfect that is.

I think YP has more problems that just Hussain now. This has not landed well.

Yeah, that's getting on for irredeemable

I think a lot of us are extremely disappointed. The chance for something new and fresh and they fumble it by sticking with what and who they know

To be fair, he didn't make his comments in defence of Hussain until after the voting closed but he had been conspicuously evasive before that

I worry that this keeps happening with the Greens though. I hope people will challenge him now he's made his views clear

Listening to Zack’s speech, I think there is going to be some changes and no room for any sort of discrimination

I certainly hope so

We all do and we all need it too

Damn right. The absolute last thing we need is people being as tribal over this as Corbyn and Starmer supporters have been and refusing to see a problem

Anyone know his views on assisted dying? Obviously he didn’t vote on the bill as he’s not an MP but I’d like to know how he would have voted off he had been.

*if, obviously.

Interesting question

Has Ali made themselves as clear a transphobe as Adnan? A genuine question, I am completely unfamiliar with them

No, but he just won't give straight answers. Seen him asked multiple times if trans women are women and trans men are men, and every single time he just answers a completely different question.

A bad sign indeed

He's far too soft on the issue, and seems ready to accept anti-trans views as worthy of treating seriously, even if he's not as outwardly transphobic as Hussain. It's so infuriating because on most other things he's very good and willing to express his views clearly and forcefully.

Am I right in thinking he might be shaky on all LGBT issues? I've seen some worrying comments from him about most Muslims being socially conservative, and I really don't want to see Muslims and LGBT communities pitted against each other in the left

Yeah, he's definitely been trying to use his religion as a shield from criticism even though it's unrelated.

I don't think(?) that he's been vocal about it and he's good at campaigning on other left-wing issues so *maybe* it slipped by