You have completely swallowed the propaganda narrative about October 7 if you don't realize it. On October 7, the Palestinian resistance broke out of Gaza and attacked more than a dozen surrounding military bases and militarized settlements. That's not a "civilian terror attack".
You mean that attack the IDF had intelligence on for over a year and refused to act on - with U.S. knowledge? www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/w...
So, kids attending a music festival aren’t civilians?
the kids who were shot by attack helicopters? (hamas does not have attack helicopters)
Pretending the deaths of the concert-going kids was the fault of Israel loses you people who would otherwise support your cause. The government of Israel is responsible for many crimes. But Hamas bears 100% responsibility for the harms and deaths committed to those kids.
do you dispute israel utilizing the hannibal directive on oct 7 or are you just saying none of the hannibal directive related murders from that day were related to the festival
It makes no difference if the Hannibal directive is true or not. Hamas is responsible for the deaths of the innocent kids in any event. There’s horrors on both sides. Trying to pretend this wasn’t a horror with Hamas responsible is worse than a joke, and you won’t get anyone to believe you.
i suspect it makes a great deal of difference to the people who were killed by their government
Kidnapping civilians is. You do not actually "gotta hand it to Hamas". Rule of thumb: if a party was financially helped by Nethanyahu, it's probably not good.
Imagine moving halfway across the world to volunteer to live next to a concentration camp and crying if anything happens to you. The Zionist entity holds thousands of Palestinian children in prison as "bargaining chips for future hostage exchanges. The world didn't care about them.
most of them were born, there, just like palestinians, this isn't the west bank were americans moved in. And kidnapping is srtill a war crime. Don't support the organisation Bibi helped maintain in power because he knew it could be used to his political advantage.
"most of them were born, there, just like palestinians, this isn't the west bank were americans moved in." Please provide a source for this information
You need a source for the year of foundation of the state of Israel? You need a source to know how many generations were born since then?
Holding 2 million people in concentration camp is a crime. Enforcing an illegal blockade on a concentration camp is a crime. Bombing a concentration camp is a crime. Starving a concentration camp is a crime. Stop pretending you care about crimes because you don't.
Did you see me arguing to defebd any of that? At no point as it been a defense or justification of Israel's politic. It seems to me to be the only one to actually care about war crimes, seeing it cease to matter to you depending of who commit them.
Condemning people for breaking out of their concentration camp is defending the people running the concentration camp. The only other option is that you just expect Palestinians to lie down and quietly die.
I am not condemning them for breaking out and most people who were kidnapped or killed were not the ones running it. Why are you defending the organisation that was helped by Bibi to keep ruling over Palestinians in Gaza?
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"This has never been my argument" it is tho
How so?
"I'm the only one who cares about war crimes" says the person out here condemning the oppressed people while ignoring what the oppressing nation has been doing for decades, including their response to peaceful protest (18-19); pull the other one, it has bells on 🤦🏻
"says the person out here condemning the oppressed people" At no point have I done this. Try again.
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"kidnapping is still a war crime" sure, now go tell Israel that, & campaign just as hard for the release of the thousands & thousands of Palestinian hostages, too, especially the Palestinian kids. Then I will take your argument in good faith.
At no point have I argued that Israel wasn't doing worse. Please don't argue against someone that doesn't exist.
You haven't argued for the release of Palestinian hostages, either, so I'll feel free to not take your bullshit in good faith. Now fuck the fuck off, thanks.
Inchide does accuse Israel of war crimes, though. The part about genocide is a bit passive. Several genocide research centres would have a very different understanding of genocide. I also disagree on Western nationalist capitalism being an indigenous mindset.
Well I'm glad they have a tiny bit of humanity, then. Sadly, they have lost me already with the other shit they've said.
I can see that. You don't owe them.
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What shit?
Pretty much everything about stopping the genocide. A solution would require recognising the Colonialist nature of the founding of Israel. The US, Netherlands, UK, Germany, Sweden should all make pretty clear that our Western values are no better than other values.
Also if you want the 🇮🇱 hostages to be freed (as you should, as do I) then again, you need to talk to the 🇮🇱 government about it, since they have repeatedly refused opportunities to free them since October 2023, & have repeatedly made it very clear the hostages & their families are low priority. HTH.
"You haven't argued for the release of Palestinian hostages," Did you saw me argue against it? It shouldn't be done in the first place. What kind of argument is that?
“Blood and soil” is what you’re going with here huh?
No. Please stop arguing against someone that isn't me.
You’re the one saying they were born there man idk
"Blood an soil" is about claiming legitimacy over a territory because you killed the previous inhabitant and took their place. This isn't what I am supporting, at all.
that is not what "blood and soil" means. it refers to the idea that you are ethnically entitled to political territory because of something inherent to your ethnicity. i.e. the state of Israel. your definition of "we killed the people who live here so it's ours now" also describes Israeli settlers.
"Being born there" is not inherent to an ethnicity, so still no anyway.
So, why did you bring up the point in the first place?
That’s a particular interpretation that willfully misconstrues the sentiments of nationalism and specifically a nationalist identity tied to a particular plot of land, but it is being deployed to the ends of genocide in this case
Anyway, I am not going for a "blood and soil" argument.
Not explicitly, just implicitly
it's weird you think hamas has to play by some imaginary rules when israel has been kidnapping palestinian civilians for 30 years and holding them in prisons and torturing them
I think EVERYONE to follow the rules. Did you see me defend Israel?
Prisoners of war are enemy combatant. This isn't the case here. Please inform yourself better.
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"Prisoners of war are enemy combatant. This isn't the case here." Many of them were. "Please inform yourself better."
"Many of them were." Do you know what "many" means?
yes
So you understand that not all of them were enemy combatant, then?
I am and nothing you are saying is something I argued against to begin with.
Sorry, but no. Someone who was able to read enligsh would not read this and then ask "Do you know what "many" means?"
Are you acknowledging the fact that Hamas was funded by Israel as part of a way to undermine the PLO and destabilize the peace process?
That's one of my argument, as a matter of fact.
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