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Jonatan Hildén @jhilden.bsky.social

For the record: never about the race science shit! Before noticing that.

aug 25, 2025, 6:27 pm • 3 0

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Ben Cates @bencates.bsky.social

He did make some good points! A handful of original ones and a larger set repackaged into a format that was more readily accessible to a certain neurotype. He also used those good points to smuggle white supremacist talking points to an audience that likely wouldn't have otherwise sought them out.

aug 25, 2025, 7:11 pm • 10 0 • view
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Jonatan Hildén @jhilden.bsky.social

Tbh my original feel on randomly bumbling onto slate star codex was ”there is a weird Smell to all of this but the guy makes some good points and Also he uses too many words so I feel embarrassed sharing it”

aug 25, 2025, 7:14 pm • 5 0 • view
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Ben Cates @bencates.bsky.social

The two modal reactions are "everyone here is autistic (derogatory)" and "everyone here is autistic (laudatory), but oh no they're also all nazis".

aug 25, 2025, 7:18 pm • 4 0 • view
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Jonatan Hildén @jhilden.bsky.social

now getting the idea that it was weaponized packaging, like some curious inverse of web scams tailored to only work on the most credulous people in existence

aug 25, 2025, 7:17 pm • 4 0 • view
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SE Gyges @segyges.bsky.social

no you got it. the entire scott- and yud-o-verse both filter people, among other things, for tolerating their writing styles and their high-engagement people have a really particular psychological profile

aug 25, 2025, 7:18 pm • 9 0 • view
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SE Gyges @segyges.bsky.social

i think rationalism having so many spinoff cults is multicausal

aug 25, 2025, 7:18 pm • 7 0 • view
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Ben Cates @bencates.bsky.social

There are some leaked private emails where he's incredibly explicit about this, at least with regards to the crap Moldbug was writing at the time. That doesn't technically mean he was doing the same thing with race science but, c'mon, yes it does.

aug 25, 2025, 7:23 pm • 4 0 • view
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SE Gyges @segyges.bsky.social

if it isn't these ones i'd enjoy seeing them, i have a collection in my brain of this stuff bsky.app/profile/segy...

aug 25, 2025, 7:24 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ben Cates @bencates.bsky.social

Yeah, that's the one. Anecdotally the first time I ever heard of NRx was SSC's giant two parter telling me what in retrospect was a carefully chosen subset of the ways in which it was wrong, so it at least worked to disseminate the idea to one extra brain.

aug 25, 2025, 7:37 pm • 4 0 • view
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SE Gyges @segyges.bsky.social

you gotta hand him some points for subtlety

aug 25, 2025, 7:38 pm • 2 0 • view
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SE Gyges @segyges.bsky.social

in fact: he often specializes in arguing for the exact opposite of the thing he is trying to convince you of.

aug 25, 2025, 7:43 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ben Cates @bencates.bsky.social

It's a really clever trick, credit where credit's due, because more often than not it's actually a quite good argument against the thing he's trying to convince you of. It works by legitimizing the question you wouldn't have asked, which is a really tough cognitive bias to catch in real time.

aug 25, 2025, 7:50 pm • 2 0 • view
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Ben Cates @bencates.bsky.social

The most shocking thing, though, is probably that even in informal communications his writing is just Like That.

aug 25, 2025, 7:39 pm • 4 0 • view
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Jonatan Hildén @jhilden.bsky.social

There are some interesting parallels here to our very own edgy-neurodiverse-bloglord-turned-politician Jussi Halla-Aho. Although his Scripta blog (famously quoted by Breivik) was explicitly open to racist stuff. Wikipedia entry has a whiff of Halla-aho apologism en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussi_H...

aug 26, 2025, 4:06 am • 1 0 • view
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Jonatan Hildén @jhilden.bsky.social

Relatedly: someone could have a day job in cleaning out the traces of ”race realist” guys writing in Finnish and Finnish-adjacent wikipedia

aug 26, 2025, 4:21 am • 2 0 • view
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SE Gyges @segyges.bsky.social

have heard similar things about norway and sweden

aug 26, 2025, 4:22 am • 1 0 • view
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Jonatan Hildén @jhilden.bsky.social

Yeah… similar scenes and smaller wikipedias are highly susceptible to the effect of some weird guy caring about a topic and of course the ”race realists” have their Special Interests, it could be edited out with some effort because they aren’t that dominant

aug 26, 2025, 4:29 am • 2 0 • view