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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

So if it were done for Woodrow Wilson or FDR or LBJ to consolidate power, that would clearly be Democratic fascism.

aug 23, 2025, 3:06 pm • 0 0

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jhfry.bsky.social @jhfry.bsky.social

Democratic fascism is oxymoronic. By definition, fascism is a far right ideology. That said, if the objective were to invest all state power in a single person, then it would be pushing an authoritarian socialist agenda like the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba. The political line is a circle.

aug 23, 2025, 3:23 pm • 0 0 • view
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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

Ah, so you think FDR and LBJ were more communist than fascist.

aug 23, 2025, 3:30 pm • 0 0 • view
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jhfry.bsky.social @jhfry.bsky.social

Yes. Being on the left, by definition means you are closer to communism than fascism. I have never seen any evidence that FDR or LBJ were authoritarians. And being closer to communism than fascism doesn't make you a communist. You're likely closer to communism than, say Stephen Miller.

aug 23, 2025, 4:02 pm • 0 0 • view
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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

So, when FDR put Japanese Americans into internment camps, that wasn't authoritarian? When he presided over Jim Crow and was super popular with southern whites, that wasn't authoritarian? When FDR violated the constitution, that wasn't authoritarian? Did you skip history class?

aug 23, 2025, 4:12 pm • 0 0 • view
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jhfry.bsky.social @jhfry.bsky.social

And I'm still not sure why we are talking about presidents who are dead and gone when we have an authoritarian in the Whitehouse today. Are you suggesting that because we have had bad leftists in the past we should just let a fascist do his thing? We can't stop FDR, but we can stop Trump.

aug 23, 2025, 4:36 pm • 0 0 • view
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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

News flash: Slavery was bad. Jim Crow was bad. Segregation was bad. We're still suffering from what those people inflicted on America. Pretending the past didn't happen or it wasn't that bad is not OK!

aug 23, 2025, 5:16 pm • 0 0 • view
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jhfry.bsky.social @jhfry.bsky.social

A executive (president) executing the laws that Congress passes is not authoritarian... it's representative democracy. If he superceded Congress, or they ceded power to him, and he opened internment camps via executive order it would absolutely be authoritarian.

aug 23, 2025, 4:31 pm • 0 0 • view
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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

So you believe that if something is "legal" it's not authoritarian. 🙄

aug 23, 2025, 5:17 pm • 0 0 • view
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jhfry.bsky.social @jhfry.bsky.social

No, I believe in the definition of words: : of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

aug 23, 2025, 5:40 pm • 0 0 • view
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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

Internment of Japanese Americans was thought to be "legal" at the time. I guess you just have a higher tolerance of authoritarianism than I do. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koremat...

aug 23, 2025, 5:43 pm • 0 0 • view
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jhfry.bsky.social @jhfry.bsky.social

Your mistaking wrong/illegal with authoritarian. True democratic communism can still be wrong/illegal. Authoritarianism is about where the power resides... Not what is done with it.

aug 23, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view
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Maru @maruschak.bsky.social

Just to be clear, you think internment of Japanese Americans was authoritarian, right?

aug 23, 2025, 6:05 pm • 0 0 • view