We need to get rid of the turd collaborators somehow. The Vishitties.

brb gonna collaborate with some turds

nah thats a threads user that came over because of rachel maddow

I look forward to channeling this interaction into a new CBB character.

What is he even accusing you of collaborating on?

what’s a turd collaborator

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that lack of a comma though

If you’re enjoying Gavin Newsom’s tweets & it gives you a fun charge I will not try to talk you out of that but I would say whatever value the tweets have is not great enough to excuse him from criticism. Yes, even now.

especially now

I would say: We are in the YOLO phase of the 2028 campaign, so anything that gets points on the board is good, cuz no one will remember this a year+ from now. Dems need to be raptors testing the fences to see what works. I like what Newsom/Pritzker/Moore are all trying... everyone should jump in

I also like what AOC/Bernie/Frost/Murphy/etc are doing with town halls in GOP districts.We need to see Dem leaders who are fighting... we also need more Dems showing up on Fox News like Newsom/Pete. Just more in your face fighting. what I don't like is the weak shit Schumer/Jeffries are bringing

I mean I sometimes find it funny and cathartic I guess, but I don't have any belief it's actually moving the needle in any way. I've never really liked Newsom, and I won't support him in a presidential primary, but I'll support anything he can do to fight the current administration.

LOL, imagine siding with Newsom at all. The guy literally did a photo op where he destroyed a homeless encampment with his own hands. Yeah, real wonderful guy there.

We're lucky that there's already a great punk song about how the governor of California is a sleazy, image-obsessed, power-hungry fascist who wants to be president

I’m not going to carry any water for Newsom, but as a matter of strategy there’s a case to be made to hold fire until after the redistricting referendum. Absolutely plenty of time between fall 2025 and primary season to have at him.

If critical posts about Newsom could crater redistricting, it was never going to pass anyway

No.

I can guarantee you that if the redistricting passes or not, most of the people in the tank for Newsom will immediately find another excuse for why any criticism of him is allegedly apocalyptically bad. And like someone else said, if it fails, it won’t because people criticized Newsom.

It’s weird that you are using hyperbolic language in response to my very measured take.

I’m using the term “apocalyptically bad” in this context because it’s a recurring pattern that anyone who has issues with the Dem candidate will cause the election to be lost if they voice their issues. I’ve been told directly that criticizing Newsom now will doom the election in three years.

Oops, I lost a word. They’re *told* that voicing their issues will force lose the election.

That’s fine, I guess, but maybe just engage with the argument in front of you. He is right now the face of the redistricting campaign. What’s the downside of holding, or reducing, fire for two months?

Because it gives cover for other potential candidates to pick up his anti-trans or rabidly anti-homeless stuff and add it to their campaigns. He and Buttigieg are pushing *really hard* to shove the acceptable positions window to include transphobia right now and getting in the way of that is good.

Waiting a few months, especially since Newsom himself really doesn't seem to be having any discernible impact on the popularity of the ballot initiative, runs a serious risk of giving a signal that, oh, transphobia and throwing minorities under the bus is not only okay, it's *preferred*.

We saw what happened in the UK when they started giving ground on transphobia and now the party is pretty overtly extreme far right for, effectively, no reason, because the "sports question" was a trojan horse for a ton of other really odious stuff. Is it worth risking that in the US?

This is an extremely weird angle to take because it doesn’t make any sense at all. If Newsom fails to get the nomination, that means someone else did, and we are currently in the stage of the cycle where loud criticism is *supposed* to happen because it signals to the candidates what people want.

Sure, trolling Trump and making him kind of ticked off isn’t totally devoid of value, but it’s also not really much of anything at all because tons of things tick Trump off and always have, and it never really accomplishes much. That being said, Newsom has just done something with negative value.

He’s launching a memecoin. It’s kind of interesting how his “trolling of Trump” has lead to him basically doing a scam out in the open that, if it works, can net him a huge amount of money and gain everyone who buys into it absolutely nothing except exposure to serious security holes.

It’s a legitimate question to ask what would change if Newsom wasn’t doing any of this stuff and like…I really don’t think anything would change. Trump would get mad at someone else and someone else would be the favoured candidate of the day. That’s about it.

What is a Turd Collaborator

someone who gets their shit together

Even if Newsom is valuable, he's still not good enough to be the nominee. Which is OK, since it's literally years from the election.

I can be an ally and also ask you to STFU right now about sports and bathrooms like that’s the fight we’re fighting in Trump 2. Get a fucking grip it’s so much bigger than that. Y’all are about to disappear off the streets, you realize that? DOGE got all the info. They’re coming.

Dork

“I can be an ally and tell trans people to shut up” no the fuck you can’t.

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so many bad opinion having dogs this morning smdh

"I fear for my own skin, so shut up about being allowed to be in public." is what you're actually saying when you say bathrooms here. If the choice is "they come" for trans people or "they come" for all of us. Then it's all of us.

well, no you can’t actually.

Sorry, citizens vs noncitizens (legal or illegal). Thats 10-13 million people depending on where you get your estimates.

10-13 illegals

There’s like maybe 1-2 million transgender people in the country. So if you care about human rights, maybe care less about people being denied a bathroom right now and more about 10x the amount of human beings being snatched violently off the streets without due process and trafficked.

Lol i can’t believe you claim to work in healthcare and yet you’re belittling bathroom rights as a silly privileged issue. Have you ever been 100% restricted from nearby public restrooms when you really need to shit? Bc it’s not an entitled privilege, it’s a literal biological crisis, you fuckwit

The message the Democrats need is that it's un-American to not care about any Americans. No Americans get ignored. That's how we differentiate ourselves from Republicans.

I’m AGREE with this argument. But right now, we have to fight a different fight. It’s like gerrymandering; we don’t want to do it but we have to right now and then we’ll abolish it when we win back power. Can’t you imagine LGBTQ+ being the same agenda? We aren’t going to abandon our people

… you sure about that? You willing to give up your own right to exist in public just until “we” “win back power”?

You know it's possible to care about both, right...? Your entire argument boils down to "well, we've got to throw SOMEONE under that bus..." We, in fact, do not.

Legit question for liberal Americans. How do I kill the 10-13 feral illegals that run into my city while my blue maga politicians play?

People aren't illegal.

You just outed yourself.

uh

you're "advocating" for people getting disappeared off the street but you cant even call them people? jesus

You just showed your whole ass by referring to undocumented immigrants as "illegals." You don't legitimately give a fuck about them. You're just eager for the opportunity to fuck over trans people, so you're fully on board with pretending it's "necessary" to sacrifice them.

You have no idea how many undocumented people I have taken care of in the healthcare system. It literally doesn’t matter their status. Healthcare is healthcare. I’m using their language. And undocumented immigrants are actually illegal, brother. Idc

Is it between 0 and 0

I really think the person who declares they broke a toe in their bio is like full of really good opinions and that.

Referring to undocumented people as “illegal” just validates the fundamentally racist, republican viewpoint that the mere *presence* of these people is illegal or unethical. That’s why the word undocumented is important, it’s a way of resisting a Republican framing of immigration.

Thank you, Robin. It's important to use adjectives instead of nouns. It centers the Circumstances these folks are in (e.g. "enslaved" instead of "slaves"). Furthermore, our colonial borders and rules are made up and very new; we must consider and facilitate historical trade and migration routes.

- embraces transphobes - screams about "illegals" So you're right wing. Got it.

you're a nurse, aren't you

many such cases

“Illegals” is not their language, you freak

I have fucked a trans man thanks.

oh well that changes everything lmao

I have a much more well rounded view on this topic than you do it turns out so all you can say is “lmao” without a counter

I've got him muted, so I missed his no-doubt eloquent and nuanced reply.

Yes. I can. You seriously think the fight to get trans men into men’s bathrooms, and vice versa, is a bigger fight than all the citizens of color, be them legal or not, is the bigger fight right now?? Get a grip.

Have you considered that you can care about the rights of a minority group while also caring about the general erosion of our democracy/norms?

no they want trans safety to take a back seat right now because trans people are such a small demographic (despite being literally one of the main targets of the right at the moment)

well, no.

You're not an ally if you think trans people are an acceptable loss

Very persuasive, in the sense that I am now fully convinced you should be atomic wedgied into oblivion.

How exactly do you have confidence that Newsom, who decided his best political move was to sit down with Nazis and tell them they are right about trans people, is going to protect us from being disappeared off the street? He's already traded our actual support for potential Nazi support.

I don’t fucking care about Newsom 2028. He’s not my presidential candidate he’s fighting Trump that is all that matters in this literal moment

Yeah, he's not a very good pick. Hope this helps.

Trolling is not "fighting" LMAO

This entire thread is about Newsom. If you don't want to discuss it no one is forcing you to type and press post.

That’s not “all that matters” otherwise you’ll only continue the “vote blue no matter who” bullshit that got us here in the first place. Lesser of two evils are still EVIL. So stop making excuses for evil.

You're not an ally if you are acting like this is about only sports and bathrooms and not our medicine and our ability to live and participate in society. If all that is worth sacrificing you are no ally at all.

It’s NOT about sports and bathrooms!That’s what MAGA boils it down to! So stop talking about sports and bathroom rights for a fucking New York minute and focus on the fascism that will take every trans person out (cuz they have the data) once they’re done with “illegals” and POC. GET IT?

Exactly. It’s not. The whole point about sports and bathrooms is a wedge issue designed to to set into the public’s mind that there’s any meaningful difference between trans and cis women, and build the case that there should be even further restrictions. These are people who think trans 1/

People should not exist. They think we should all either be forcibly detransitioned, in prison or dead. So why on *earth* would you concede *anything* to them? Even an inch? Furthermore it’s very easy to talk about me conceding my right to do things, when you think it’s not going to impact you. 2/

But it will impact you. Bathroom and sports bans are effectively unenforceable without literally inspecting everyone’s genitals at the door. The point is to pass a law that oversteps the 4th amendment but gets enforced anyway, and if that happens, that’s *your* 4th amendment gone too.

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You're right its not about sports and bathrooms. So why is Newsom sitting down with the Nazis that you claim supporting him will protect us from, to tell them they are right about trans medicine?

All I ever said was that Newsom is right in the moment to take on fascism. I never eluded to any podcast he’s done w/ transphobic podcasters. All I argued was, to put aside sports & bathroom rights for trans people right now & fight the fascism bc that IS fighting transphobia. Newsom not included.

I think this sums up my stance. I repeatedly said I’m an ally which you discount because I had some fake open & accepting relationship, and now I’m the enemy because there’s millions of more people being targeted in this country and a fascist takeover and rightly LGBTQ are next. Pretty sane.

You're the enemy because you're telling us our rights are an acceptable sacrifice so YOU can feel safer. Demanding other people sacrifice so YOU can FEEL like someone's fighting Trump (memes aren't fighting, btw) is vile behavior.

No he isn't. He sucks.

I will not be putting my rights aside actually and dating a trans man in no way makes it okay for you to demand that of me so just shut the hell up honestly

But he’s not taking on fascism, he’s giving them a microphone and lightly smacking their wrists with a feather.

how is he fighting fascism, exactly

And when did I ever bring up Newsom and Nazis?

IDK are you unable to answer questions or what. This entire thread is about Newsom who you decided to come to the defense of but now you're like "IDK why we are talking about Newsom". I don't get it.

WTF Newsom is fighting fascism, I’ve said it ten times over, and explained it in terms vis-a-vis LGBTQ, who are next after “illegals” (which they are but never in a million years would I not provide healthcare to them). Just get a grip. Fight fascism is fight transphobia, for the last time.

Sitting down with Nazis to agree with them about trans rights, something Newsom has done, is not fighting fascism, it's throwing trans people to the fascists.

explain how newsom is fighting fascism, because the point of this thread is that he isn’t doing that. he’s just sliding further to the right, and if we try to beat fascism with fascism-lite, we not only have no chance of beating republicans, but I won’t even be worth it if we do.

What fascism is being fought if you are willing to sacrifice any people to fight it?

Projection, much? Y’all can’t believe that I actually had a relationship with a trans man as a cis woman. I already insinuated that I work in healthcare. I already said healthcare is healthcare, period.

Having a relationship with a trans man is not some impressive badge of honor that gives you leeway to declare that you are an ally despite telling us essentially to shut up about our rights.

I NEVER said you don’t have rights?? JFC

You're telling us to shut up about our rights.

You also didn't answer the question.

No you can’t. If you’re willing to sacrifice our vulnerable population (yes, including Trans people AND the “illegals” as you worded it) for your “win”, then it’s not freedom or justice you’re fighting for; it’s fascism-lite. You’re not an ally. You’re a convenient passerby.

Is solidarity really that foreign a concept to Americans? Does it not occur to you that you might get more traction if you fight for other people’s rights too, instead of telling them their rights are less important and they should just give them up and join *your* fight?

lmao keep posting through it bitch

You're telling them to abandon their fights and die.

and whats newsom gonna do about it? interview another nazi on his shitty podcast?

*yawn* we’ve played this game before and it’s led us right to where we are. Time for you to sit down.

Ally my ass. Sit down, stfu, and listen to what the myriad of trans people are telling you

Yes, thank you!!! You don’t have to vote for him (presumably) in 2028 but we *have* to come together to support resistance. Stop the in-party fighting. All the “he’s transphobic” posts need to STFU for a little while. That’s not our fight right now. It’s authoritarianism. Just seriously

Here’s a better fight for everyone who has called me transphobic & a bigot: Just get rid of gendered bathrooms. There you go! Just like the “whites only” argument someone referenced… We did away with that. Bathrooms are bathrooms. Fucking fight that fight and get off socials go talk to your rep jfc

Except he’s transphobic, and his campaign should therefore be starved of oxygen

We can say two things! Transphobia is bad and attacking Fascism is good. Those messages don't conflict!

Fascism > transphobia. Because fascism embraces transphobia. Don’t yall get that? The main point is to fight fascism.

This whole projection that there’s a dichotomy between fascism and transphobia is the problem and it’s driving independents aways from the Democratic Party. Just keep pushing the anti-fascist message and it propels transphobia. Stop putting transphobia first. Just stop. It’s hurting us.

When trans people are like, according to various think tanks, either less than 1% or maybe up to 3% of our pop. Illegal immigrants, noncitizen legal people, and citizens of color are under attack… I think that’s wayyy more people. I’m being objective.

Back standing cis het "allies" like you are disgusting on every fucking level. I have more respect for honest bigots then I do for you

Fuck you. My non binary ass will never stop fighting for my rights and I'll fight your bullshit transphobia too

Nah you are being a transphobic piece of shit and wanting to pretend you are objective. Fuck all the way off bigot.

You don’t like facts. It’s hard, I know.

Nah, I love facts. Factually, if someone doesn't support trans rights then they don't support basic human rights. Trans rights are a basic litmus test for common decency. If you are ready to throw trans people under the bus to court the "moderate" bigots then you'll happily throw others as well.

yeah that type of thinking has *never* gone wrong, i'm sure... people can do multiple things. it is not wrong for trans people to fight transphobia where it occurs, while also lending support to other causes. we know the most about it, after all.

nobody's telling *you* you have to do more than just not harass trans folks and use a purely utilitarian argument to create a trolley problem that you sort of agree does not exist.

“I’m being objective” says the person justifying harm to a minority. You’re still talking about at least 3.5 million Americans, let alone how many cis people will also be harmed by anti-trans laws. Jewish people living in Nazi Germany were also around 1%. Never again means *now*

I fucking understand trans people are targeted every day by politicians and stupid laws and ignorant people and it fucking sucks. But JFC you’re not currently being swept off the streets. You’re not the focus — YET. So fucking stand up and with anyone against fascism right now if you want to exist.

Honestly can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Except you’re wrong. It is happening. There is no “yet”. We are targeted by laws and politicians, yes. Do you think those laws do nothing? No. They are in force right now. People are being arrested or sued right now. Hospitals are harming children *right now*.

Dude! Right NOW they aren’t coming after trans people on the streets!!! That’s my whole point! It’s not happening - yet!! So fucking get behind politicians standing up to fascism because otherwise other minorities are next. And yeah, I’m a liberal white woman and they’ll come for me eventually too

They literally are tho. People have been arrested & charged with criminal offenses for going pee. Cops are shutting down public events. Hospitals are closing their doors and turning away patients. Just because it isn’t as visible as a street arrests doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

Go fuck yourself. I will not stop fight people who hate my existence. I don't care if they're part of your cis het party. Fuck you and your cis het fucking party

Fuck out of here with your transphobic ass takes. You aren't left leaning at all. You are a fucking right wing troll ass.

So in other words, trans people should just put up with what newsom wants, ie, segregating is from certain public spaces (like bathrooms), putting trans women in men's prisons to be raped/assaulted, taking away our autonomy by denying us transition til we're 26, &

taking away coverage for our transitions, which are all talking points the fascists started, bc it will help is best fascism? So how long will we have to be segregated, denied autonomy, & risk assault? How many other rights do we have to forgo?

Why do you hate trans people?

Newsom embraces transphobia. Fuck you and fuck your insult of a canidate. You don't deserve a single queer vote

Newsom also embraces fascists. Just like his stinking "friend of former nazi officers" dad

Fuck you are cooked. Like there is no way you are this fucking ignorant lol. Either you stand with us all or you are a fascist sympathizer. There isn't an in between on human rights and its not a conversation to have later. Fuck all transphobes and all people telling us our problems can wait.

Tell me you don't give a wet shit about the human rights of trans people without saying "I don't give a wet shit about the human rights of trans people"

Deciding which minorities deserve respect and which can be sacrificed in the name of nebulous "resistance" doesn't make you a pragmatic person, it makes you a fascist. Every fight is "our fight". Every single one.

Fuck you. I am never supporting some transphobic fuck who hates my existence and its an insult to even ask us queer folk to. AND MY FUCKING RIGHTS ARE ALWAYS MY FIGHT. FUCK YOU. SERIOUSLY.

He is being transphobic and is an avowed transphobe. I will never "STFU" as you put it. I will not give someone a pass for being a shitty human. He can fuck all the way off and anyone defending him can fuck all the way off as well.

And ya know what REALLY pisses me off about asinine posts like this? Those of us who actually value trans and other marginalized people are always expected to give up OUR positions to meet YOURS for the sake of the party. No. If the party doesn't enshrine trans rights, then fuck you and your party.

They don't, because he's transphobic, and trans rights are non-negotiable. That is always part of the fight.

If he’s being transphobic it needs to be called out. Same with any politician. I don’t care how much he’s clapping back at the trump administration

Transphobia is the Trump admin. When they’re done with brown people, it’s trans people next. So a governor stopping illegal action against all citizens and noncitizens is a good thing. STFU right now. This is above a single minority. It’s every minority. Don’t you get that?

"why the fuck don't you queers stfu and vote how i, the cis het, demand that you vote. I know better then you do about whats important and your rights and lives are worthless"

"why don't you dirty fucking queers understand your rights and lives don't fucking matter now vote for us you ungratful slaves" this is how you come off to queer folk but I bet a fuck like you doesn't fucking care

Except it’s not just a focus on just brown people right now? Like, sure, there are the deportations etc, but the war on trans people is just as strong, it just doesn’t have Trump himself talking about it daily. It’s on a legislative level at present and has been for years now - hello bathroom bills

Not only are bathroom bans common now. Half the states ban certain healthcare now. Just because the recipients are trans. The Supreme Court just ruled that it’s legal this year. The federal government is trying to extend these healthcare bans to blue states by fiat, & succeeding so far.

Clearly if you’re telling people to shut up when they criticize transphobia by politicians you don’t care about all minorities. Someone who willingly throws away minority groups they don’t care about will be useless to stop facism.

wtf do you think I’m posting about. I’m aghast at the treatment of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants and US citizens being targeted bc they’re POC. That’s millions of people. And they’re all minorities. Trans people being denied a bathroom is a FIRST WORLD PROBLEM

What about when he eagerly climbs into a bulldozer to destroy homeless encampments? Can we criticize him then?

Typical smug neoliberal who thinks their stance on another issue (immigration, in this case) absolves them of any responsibility related to the issue in question (trans rights). Framing it as wanting to use a different bathroom is right wing nonsense. Do you have any self awareness?

Denying trans people a bathroom denies them the right to be out of their house. Like… not having a safe place to pee means jobs aren’t safe, that even just spending a day out with friends isn’t safe. I don’t think it’s a first world problem that a section of the population isn’t allowed in public

Pictured: Gavin Newsom's buddy.

You got me! Newsom 🤝 Charlie Kirk. Exactly the same person! Cuz Charlie Kirk definitely would have expanded Medi-Cal to cover gender-affirming care.

Totally a friend to trans folks! www.politico.com/news/2025/03...

Might need to get a lesson in reading comprehension. Never said they were the same person. Newsom just really likes hanging out with fascist creeps though!

Leave it to a privileged shitlib to tell marginalized people how and when they're allowed to call out a scummy piece of shit like Newsom.

Go tell blacks in the fifties that being denied public facilites is a " first world problem". Now go tell a trans person that being denied vital gender affirming care (that newsom is against anyone under 26 getting) is a minor problem. Trans people will die of newsom gets power

There were no “all races” bathrooms like today we have “all gender” and “family” and unisex” bathrooms. 50s didn’t have “unirace” bathrooms. Nice argument try again

All your saying with that is that the current us is as bigoted to trans people as its was to black people in the fifties and that you are just as much of a coward as white dems where in the fifties for not supporting civil rights

Fuck out of here with your stupid ass braind dead take. Trans people are being murdered and its being covered up, the government is making lists of trans people. Trans rights are human rights. And if you dont stand with Trans rights then you can fuck all the way off.

Immigration as has been driven by the GOP is also a “first world problem”. Doesn’t it make it fake. Trans bathroom access isn’t just where to pee. It’s about participation in society. You try going a day in public without using the bathroom. Plus anti-trans laws are well beyond bathroom bans now.

These aren't competing priorities to balance, they're shared struggles we need to face together! Bathroom bills empower conservatives to narrowly define, broadly police, and socially enforce how women look & dress & act, making us all less safe, especially those disproportionately policed like POC

For Trans people specifically, it's not just about choosing a bathroom, but about being subject to violence no matter which choice you make: public spaces are no longer safe Allies who won't listen to coalition members fearing ascendant & existential violence are not very trustworthy allies!

But ultimately this is about Newsom being a public representative of our beliefs & values He straightforwardly doesn't share them and actively supports policy that actively harms us for no actual benefit That's not a good representative and we don't need to accept it!

That’s giving “All Lives Matter.”

It’s trans people right now, idiot

Trans people aren’t “next” we are the main target too. Immigration is his foreign policy priority. Anti-trans moral panic is his domestic policy priority. We must be fighting him on both fronts (and more). A leader like Newsom who “completely agrees” with trumpist positions will fail spectacularly

Precisely. It’s every minority. The Dem coalition is made up of different minorities & their allies each focusing on different, but overlapping, goals. That’s why politicians like Newsom who are willing to throw a minority to the wolves for a poll bump won’t go far and will lose.

And when you look at the history, throwing minorities under the bus literally *never* creates a poll bump. It alienates part of the core and fails to attract any of the fringe.

Wow. "You need to throw your trans homies under the bus, it's just how it is." This is why we're not in your party. Just as evil as the Republicans when your back is against the wall.

Hey: Who did Hitler start killing first? What percentage of Germany’s population were they? Did they not matter because the percentage is small? You either fight ALL fascism and defend ALL of your allies or you’ll die on just a slightly slower timetable than the ones you threw under the bus first.

If trans rights isn't your fight right now you are a political enemy to me and everyone who is trans or loves a trans person. Newsom is looking out for Newsom, not for the good of the party or his constituents.

How about “transphobes need to STFU forever?”

If that’s not your fight right now, you’re in the wrong fucking fight, bud. Putting human dignity and safety on the back burner to gain an inch of power in a broken system is dog shit.

And who eats turd collaborators anyways

He is at best a useful and temporary tool. And the expiration date is in about 6 weeks.

I didn't get the point of your first post on this because, like, measuring stuff is hard, who knows, only elections truly matter, etc., but I wholly agree with this one. Are people really out here claiming that fun tweets should ever insulate anyone from criticism?

Yes they are, a lot of them, and the point of the first post was to sincerely ask what people mean when they say “it’s working” or “getting results” as a reason I should not be criticizing Newsom and that he’s the only one “doing something”

What I love is that I'm not even sure if that person meant that as a Newsom fan themselves.

Why do you love that

I guess because to me, part of what could maybe actually be Blueskyism, is seeing an unhinged reply and not being sure of the direction of the broken hinge. Not that I actually like that particular reply.

You get that I meant "love" very ironically right?

When I am in the computer I do not know what is “love”

Oh fuck, you got pulled into the computer? Is Daft Punk at least still there doing the music?

The scariest part of getting sucked into a computer now is the possibility of running into Jared Leto.

Every time I see a Newsom tweet all I hear about it is: - it's an act - that's not who he really is - he's doing it for effect - he's just trying to get headlines - he's not a fascist asshole Just. Like. Trump.

I got told “oh, he doesn’t hate trans people, he invited Charlie Kirk, actual white supremacist, on his podcast and lied to trick right-wing people” and it’s like… What, so I can’t trust anything Newsom says because he’s a liar and will say anything to get ahead? Why is that a good thing?

If someone can get under Trump's skin or maybe get his supporters to see how absurd Trump seems from the outside, then good on them. But that doesn't mean that I will support them, especially not when they target the unhoused and trans people.

i don’t care about 2028, i just want to see leaders take the fight back to them. that’s all. i don’t care if it’s childish, at least there’s something that’s a focal point where a mass of people can point to and say we’re on the same side together.

there will be time to litigate his record on other issues but that’s after next years midterms. i don’t think he has a chance personally, and wouldn’t vote for him, but for the hand he’s being dealt w/r/t trump and the national guard what else should he do?

I know you’re funny and all, but were you even in the Dr X dooms day marathon?

As an expert on comedy, you should probably already know that it’s funny

I agree nothing makes anyone free from criticism but he's said himself he's just trying things and seeing what resonates. This line of attacks resonates with people, it pokes a hole in Trump's bullshit mirage, and it irritates people on Fox. Not every political outcome is directly measurable.

Yeah, but then the problem gets into how a lot of people are absolutely 100% in the tank for a guy who isn’t doing anything but being irritating. “This man trolls people and that’s enough” is one *bad* pitch for why he should be president, because you don’t want the president doing that.

I'm not making the leap from "hey he's getting a few good hits in" to "omg our new anointed king" and I don't think many others are either. And even if they were, it's a looong 3 years until that election. Infighting is a much bigger risk than acknowledging for one moment he did an ok thing.

I keep going back to @garyseconomics.bsky.social 's commentary on what the alt-right did successfully online. www.youtube.com/watch?v=6awZ... We're gonna need a whole lot of players on our side, trying a ton of different angles, taking control of the narrative, building off of each other. "yes, and"

I mentally pair that part of that video with this video. youtu.be/lDWqKMuDLcI?... This is the progressive/"left" team, like it or not, this is the team we've got. We all need to be pushing back against the right together, not squabbling between ourselves.

So what do you do if someone on the team obviously doesn't have the best interests of the team in mind and is actively trying to drown out everyone else?

Infighting and vetting are two different things.

Okay, so what are you doing about toxic and unfounded ideas that he's legitimizing and odious people he's platforming? Do you really want the president to be listening to Charlie Kirk?

To be clear, I don't want him to be president. He sucks. But he is leading the world's 4th biggest economy and he has a massive bully pulpit. We should criticize him, we should vet him, but at the moment he's doing *something* to push back so I'm not going to get all worked up about fighting him atm

The problem is that if we give him a pass, what exactly is stopping him from making transphobia and cozying up to white supremacists the standard?

I mean. Put pressure on him to do better now that he's got more attention; support people who are doing better. I just come at it from an angle of build up, not tear down. If he wants to be the big boy, we hold him to high standards. If you think someone else is better, find them and promote them.

How do you put pressure on him in a way he'll pay attention to if you won't invoke the only leverage an average person has, a refusal to vote for him?

Is it infighting to point out that he's started up what's a pretty obvious scam? He's launching a memecoin. How does personally enriching himself help the cause? It just siphons money that could otherwise be donated to actual election campaigns.

Especially since he’s now launched a memecoin which uh…there’s no legitimate reason to do that, you only do that if you want to scam people and take their money. Like, he’s taking pages from the Trump and Musk playbooks now, that’s pretty alarming.

I agree, like are some of them potentially funny? I suppose but is that what I want from an elected leader? I think the red team blue team stuff is so sad and people on blue team just like seeing someone doing what the red team was doing and reveling in it but I don't want any leader doing that mess

I got called a Nazi, Trump supporter, an inbreed (with a nearly all-night detailed tirade landing it by two lunatics, and a couple actual threats) for just posting what Newsom had actually done last week. And I have a small account. They seemed to be not-bot centrist Khive type Dems

For sure! He would be a terrible candidate for President. Newsom’s treatment of the Homeless and Trans community is abhorrent. Which are just a few examples.

Unserious people shouldn’t get to use five-syllable words

Whomever is running his social right now is neat. "He's a fucking nightmare.

His tweets are just him mimicking Trump tweets back at Trump. This method provides nothing but some mild entertainment, but sadly it has been proven to work. Anyway, can we look at some candidates that would actually do any good for this country?

This is Blue Magaism

I mean... this is what you'd find in the @thelouvreof.bsky.social

It's blue MAGA

this dog... i don't think they're a real person though.

How can you argue with this well thought out response?

How dare you ask for the facts

It's Warmboism. "How dawe you cwiticize ouw champion, silly goat!"

Ah, these must be the socially maladjusted, nominally leftist freaks of which I’ve heard so many wonderful things.

Rule of thumb: if the handle is the same as the account name, it's a bot

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Sorry, bot. I don't make the rules. (Also, your username isn't identical to your handle, so you're good. For now. 🤖)

How dare! (I don't know what else to call myself lol. I've used this since I joined Twitter in 2009)

Lol. I'm referring to when the two are identical, dots included

Who would ever collaborate with turds? Collaborate to do what?

what's a "turd collaborator"?

When you go pee at the same time

and why would you eat one? and how?

it's going to turn out this is what they call devil dogs in Maryland or something.

"I'll have 2 turd collaborators with extra turd sauce." "You want fries with that?" "Yeah, and a diet coke."

Fiber?