Another day, another utterly shameful cruelty against refugees announced. Recognised refugees - so people granted the long term right to stay in the UK because they have escaped real danger - will face new barriers to reuniting with spouses & children safely in the UK #r4todat
Labour, Cooper in particular, have gone over to the dark side
WE DO NOT NEED WANT OR WISH FOR A FASCIST BRITAIN We colonialised we care for those we colonialised We have a debt
Why not go the whole hog, and make them wear different colours felt stars to where they come from and who they are….they might as well…..right wing Nazis
Are you really going to leave your family in a war zone? I suppose it's one way of getting the numbers down, because what normal person would do that? Thought - does that mean we'll get all the abnormal refugees who are quite willing to abandon their families?
Reasons we need immigration. 1. Demography, birthrate too low, population is unbalanced, need workers and tax revenue 2. Intellectual and cultural mixing is needed in many sectors 3. Humanitarian need to welcome the persecuted wartorn and flooded out
Morning beautiful x. It's a fng joke what's happening. Labour are trying to please to brexit idiots and the racist fascist bastards. If countries like the UK didn't supply the weapons for these wars, then we wouldn't have half the refugees trying to find safety. World is a mess X
What of humanity? 😔
It seems to me that, if not a single further boat arrived on our shores as from today, not one of those folk with their 'flags and pitchforks' scaring vulnerable fellow humans would actually see any aspect of their lives change for the better. What would their focus then move to, I wonder?
They'll move onto calling for any POC to be deported, then any non-English white person
My family & others like them - the neurodivergent, disabled etc - whom the govt also seems to want to demonise for lacking resilience & being lazy. Which is so far from the truth.
I think many of us realize it would then be attacks on British people of colour.
Sadly I guess this is already happening.
Just from my life observations of our bizarre country, my guess would be: People who aren't white, Europe - the entire continent and everything about it, except the bit they holiday in, The disabled community, The poor, Criminals, The rich (but not the ones who feed into their delusions, somehow).
Potholes it seems. Plus Black England players. I remember the days when their vitriol was reserved for Single mothers and Superdads.
Depends whatever their far right leaders whip them up for.
I think some people don't like local hotels being used to house them, can't pretend that this might not be true. They need to be processed quicker so hotels don't need to be used.
They are objecting to them being here. The hotels are merely an excuse.
Plus they are a focal point for protests so it will be a happy day when the last one closes. They can shout at Rainbows, clouds and potholes instead. Oh, and Pride events.
and mosques...
Yes probably for some, but at same time there will be some who won't like a hotel in their town being used to house them.
Again, it's the racism that is the point. They will protest until we refuse to admit any asylum seekers or refugees.
Then they’ll continue demanding EVERY brown person be deported or sent to the Gas chamber.
Deporting legal migrants. They’ve been quite open about this.
And while the RW'ers do their crusade...what do we have, other than evidence of grooming gangs walking the streets, indoctrinating children into a violent, "medieval?" ideology (Cos' Templars). Philps engages in accusation in the mirror...
Go figure, the only thing that has been achieved by all of this, is giving legitimacy to these bullies and actually placing children in harm's way, all in the name of "freedom" or "free speech", how many of these children will ruin their lives because of this when they get sucked into crime?
How many women and children need to suffer to please the bullies? it's shameful how this is panning out.
And attacked the police, tried to break into a Asylum hotel by masked far right thugs at Canary Wharf, scum bags need locking up
Yep and the key thrown away, it's just plain thuggery at this point.
Here is the problem, the far right love performance cruelty. Reality isn't really a factor. Its about being able to sneer and other. It's about blaming a tiny number of people for the consequences of voting against public health and services for decades. Where do these values come from?
Meanwhile corporations keep robbing us all blind and the mega rich get mega richer.
Does this mean that someone's family are in more danger because they remain in the country of origin and can be targetted by the state will be abandoned to their fate? Never did like Yvette Cooper.
Just... abysmal. Day after day it just gets worse!
So we're only going to accept wealthy asylum seekers who can financially support themselves.
Same as Farage
Labour = reform ltd
It’s awful. Why are they doing this. It’s performative cruelty.
Imagine fleeing war, only to meet a border that trades safety for state-sanctioned loneliness. Welcome to Britain 2025.
What about the ones who aren't fleeing war, ie most of them?
It’s true, not everyone is fleeing war. Some are escaping persecution, famine, or places where life has simply become impossible. It doesn’t fit neatly into a box but does that mean we stop showing empathy?
How do you know that? They don't have to be escaping oppression due to war to claim asylum successfully, there are other kinds of oppression that are considered worthy of protection. They are all desperate and vulnerable which is what SHOULD be your key concern...
Do you have statistics to back up that claim? Or do you believe life in their country is so bad that existence in s shared hotel room with no money or contact with your family is somehow better?
Well, most claims are currently from Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. Who are they at war with?
My point still stands .
As previously stated, “War isn’t the only thing that forces people to flee. In Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan people face religious persecution, political oppression, famine, drought, and violence from groups like the Taliban. You don’t need a declared war to live in fear or to have no future.”
Sure, Leo was asking me for stats about countries being at war. You're answering a different point.
Do you understand that 'war' is being used as shorthand here? Otherwise we could argue all day whether people are suffering due to war, civil war, genocide, terrorism, armed cultists, violent bigots, institutional homophobia, transphobia and misogyny, an attempt at colonisation, or something else?
Imagine thinking you’re left wing and spending your days finding ways to exaggerate how badly the only left wing option is.
Labour are a right wing party. Anyone who thinks labour are left wing are either a bot, a sock puppet, or in denial. Which are you?
Labour are no-longer Left-Wing and Starmer has spent months purging Left-Wing members and MPs. Starmer and McSweeney are influenced by Maurice Glasman and Blue Labour: a Social Conservative Project. www.theguardian.com/books/2022/s...
According to the Far Right Labour are most definitely Socialist if not Communist. Everyone who isn’t Tory or Reform are all lumped together. Apparently we are ALL Hamas and Hezbollah fans who hate this country and worship our enemies. But Farage courting the Taliban is ok.
Here's Glasman with Donald Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, who's very Left-Wing.....🙄
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More on McSweeney and Blue Labour. www.theguardian.com/books/2025/f...
Starmer's tough on (Illegal) Migration echoes the worst of Enoch Powell. Starmer admitted this, by apologising for not reading the 'Island Of Strangers' speech first. The fuck are Labour Left-Wing. [Image courtesy of@coldwarsteve.bsky.social]
That is cruel and inhumane Refugees have fled very difficult and traumatic circumstances and deserve to be treated with dignity and compassion
yes Zoe some parts of UK politions MSM have lost their humanity . Refugees are not elegal according to Law 1951 asylum act You only become illegal if after you fail assesment
It’s so cruel. The right to family life is a human right!
Stop Britain being *Faraged* Help refugees and deport him to his fascist friends in USA. His poisonous, racist Brexit lies broke Britain's economy, now he's trying to remove our human rights. MSM do your jobs and publicise the truth about this dangerous spiv. Ffs. Britain is better than this.
Well said
Cooper, shadow home sec: You're doing it all wrong, Tories. Cooper, home sec: I will do the same but be meaner.
It is shameful, human rights lawyer he calls himself, that is a joke itself
Why dont you make me a sandwich. That should cool your jets.
There was a time not long ago, when the idea of a Labour government deliberately acting to keep families of recognised refugees apart, would have been unthinkable. The same week masked men tried to break in to asylum seeker accommodation, presumably with violent intent #r4today
What Labour government? They seem on a course to merge with Reform as Starmer allows Farage to dictate immigration policy. Open the floodgates, let them all in legally and see how our productivity and economy improves. Oh yeah and rejoin the EU too.
And we get the absolute pleasure of hearing from intellectual half pint Chris Philp 🙄 Guess what he reckons? Oh he’s not asked about the rights & wrongs of family reunion. He wants to froth on about foreign peadophiles instead, because that where our conversation is 🤦♀️ #r4today
As ever they care more about the perpetrator than the crime …
He's a disgusting excuse for a human being - a model Tory.
Good grief. If he wants to protect "our children" he should be looking the other way.
Chris Philp is beyond disgusting, but Labour are, wittingly or not, fuelling the fires of bigotry by steadfastly refusing to stand up for migrants. Starmer needs to say loud & clear. “Asylum seekers are welcome. There is no migrant crisis, nor any ‘legitimate concerns’. We will not tolerate racism”.
I think you're being disrespectful to half pints. Chris Philp's intellectual capabilities would easily fit in a small egg cup. A vacuous 'successful entrepreneur', who thinks he has something to add to our political system, whilst understanding virtually nothing about the topics he pronounces on.
Why bother with a discussion of what family reunion actually is & an analysis of the impact of changes with, say, @ramfel.bsky.social who recently published an excellent report excoriating the system’s EXISTING failures that keep families apart? Nah. It’s #r4today🤷♀️ www.ramfel.org.uk/family-reuni...
Refugees Family Reunion Bill 2018. Yvette Cooper www.parallelparliament.co.uk/mp/yvette-co...
The likely impact of introducing even more barriers to safe family reunification for refugees is that MORE people will instead take dangerous smugglers’ routes to reunite with their loved ones. & then Labour, Tories & Reform can demonise THEM on #r4today too. Yay.
But remember we have to vote Labour anyway because Reform something something 🤪
Sadly that's true. Starmer is Biden do we want Farage modelling a Trump style regime
31% of people would vote for a coalition of the Green Party and the as yet unnamed Corbyn/Sultana Party. That's with the latter having no set policies as yet. I think perhaps your argument is fir the fishes.
Corbyn/Sultana - hardly!
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Forcing people into unsafe routes doesn't reduce overall numbers, causes pain and suffering, and actually increases the amount of accommodation we need to provide and costs the UK taxpayer more. It makes no sense on any level. bsky.app/profile/thin...
I saw that headline and actually thought I’d misread it! 🤦♀️😱🤬
Nick Robinson is complicit. All interviewers are. Asylum seekers aren't paedophlles, nor are they illegal, as claiming asylum is legitimate. We have to stamp out hate speech by such as Philp.
You are a complete and utter wonderful star keeping going as you are. Brava. ❤️🙏
Having heard the piece, could not agree more; it was disgusting. A deliberate conflating of migrants and paedophiles.
It was chilling, wasn't it. A real sign of where we've got to. Hard right conspiracies going completely unchallenged on the country's biggest radio news programme.
The Labour government LOVES foreign paedophiles. Sir Queer Harmer gets on very well with a massive one. Makes deals with him. Is condemning immigrants and trans people to lives of segregation and misery just to please him
I’m aware of one foreign paedophile, and he’s in the White House.
Sick bastards
Right wing groups are organising a protest outside a refugee centre for unaccompanied children in my town. Adults actively planning to intimidate and frighten vulnerable youngsters. It’s hard to describe my anger and disgust at these ‘people’.
Jesus, it takes a completely different kind of low life that would do that! It really scares me just exactly where we are heading
Me too.
Children, for goodness' sake, children! This is despicable behaviour of ignorant cowards who've been empowered by the right-wing and encouraged by the media. Staggering, and yet entirely predictable.
I may be mistaken but I think the idea is that once you are established with somewhere to live and have an income capable of supporting your dependents THEN you can be reunited and I thought that’s what most come here to do anyway? Of course for some they need to get their families here asap.
What is happening in England is awful. I am relieved we have real leadership in #Scotland. We fund our NHS, schools, housing sector, and more, So we can look after the people of Scotland, as well as those desperate souls seeking refuge. #AllJockTamsonsBairns www.thenational.scot/politics/254...
In the name of the wee man. What utter pap.
This is beyond appalling. WHO do Labour speak for now? They’ve alienated many of their core voters. These rules are utterly cruel. Who do they appeal to? Not Labour voters. I know our infrastructure can’t cope with huge levels of immigration, but we should still be humane and compassionate.
In that case they will have to take their children on the small boat with them...genius
Why do they need to come to the UK in the first place?
When I went on anti-Nazi marches in the 1970s it was always against the National Front and Enoch Powell etc. It wasn't against the Labour Party. If I were to stretch my aged legs now, it would be to march against this Labour Govt, the BBC and most MSM. (Plus the Tories and far right of course!)
I would love someone to ask Starmer what which he would choose if he’d escaped mortal danger - living without his family or facing near certain death by returning to them.
Starmer somehow managing to amuse the right wing Reform voters, while simultaneously antagonising most of the centre left at the same time. He really is stinking the place out.
This is not my Britain. Starmer has become the very worst clone of Farage, Badenoch and all the other right wing shitbags that are the REAL infestation of this island.
Absolutely!!!!
@KeirStarmer and @YvetteCooper being so cowardly. And it won’t even work. Whatever sops they try to bribe the right wing with, none of Farage supporters is ever going to vote for them.
Just for once could we please have a well thought through response to our duties & obligations & act accordingly. Seemingly not, instead increase psychological distress, including trauma, depression and anxiety part. for children, family separation in spades Is this really who we are now?
Stephen Morgan [minister for early edu’ on SkyNews], says he "absolutely understands peoples' frustration" with immigration over the summer. Except it’s a few fascists knuckle draggers he’s pandering to.
Labour leadership have passed the point of no return. Is this still MacSweeney? History will not be kind.
I’m daring to invest in the hope that the appointment of Darren Jones, and a few more in No.10 reshuffle, brings some improvement.
I fear he probably wouldn’t have been given the job if he hadn’t promised loyalty to Starmer.
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Dog whistling to the Little Englanders should say, still vote for Farage
With a decling UK population we will be needing people to come to this country to work and pay taxes. This is such a stupid, short term policy to appease ignorant racists.
Starmer and Cooper obeying instructions from a 🐸 💔!
Hardly a surprise in a country where for the past few decades, judges deciding to split a couple by deporting a wife or husband would tell the couple to use Skype to continue their relationship.
That actually happened to someone I knew, an African American woman who had gained British citizenship, and was still deported. Then lockdown happened. She had done nothing wrong, she was just on a low income
won't it actually lead to more people in limbo who don't get asylum accepted but can't be deported because no return agreement?
overton window has shifted...Farage has had a very successful summer. Wouldn't be surprised if more criteria for refugee status is tightened, here and across europe.
3 Parties are doing that
BAOTH LABOUR, FARAGE AND THE TORIES ARE SCAPEGOATING MIGRANTS
yeah, but Farage is definitely leading on it. He sets the narrative. But, also this is an issue affecting lots of countries in europe that needs resolving.
Once again Labour trying to outdo the racists.
Energy cap just gone up, wages stagnant, but look over there, brown people!
Serious question: If the UK is your home, would let a homeless person down on their luck but pays attention to social cues, hygiene and is minimally disruptive live in your house rent free, eat your food and interact with your family free of charge with not end date to their occupancy?
No, I expect the state to look after the less fortunate, it is not up to individuals. The state can afford to provide good quality housing and services, it chooses not too.
The thing with posts that start "serious question" is that you know full well that the question asked will be completely unserious. This is a perfect example of that phenomenon.
The Joy Smith's timeline is sorely lacking in joy.
Actually, the amount of vitriol I am experiencing is telling me that my timeline is usually only filled with Joy and that I have been avoiding the tough conversations with my own fellow citizens because I was afraid of the instantaneous judgement and censor.
Have you even asked yourself what you did to cause that to happen?
So, why can't you give me the benefit of the doubt to ask your perspective on serious topic but you are willing to open your country to people with very different cultural mores, norms and values?
Clumsy analogy. If you mean; do I have a problem with foreign people coming to the country that I was born in, then no. Britain isn't full, no matter what the far-right say.
Yes, I am not sure if it is because the analogy is poorly thought out, poorly presented or poorly received it is causing as much angst as a bull in a china shop.
Maybe, I don't know because I am a Black Slave Descendant so culturally we may be very different. I have been poor and I have been very well off. People are very varied and there are empathetic rich people are there are immigrants I have found to be even more racist than the white Americans.
I wouldn't let you live in my house, yet here you are.
And, I do feel most unwelcome.
Serious question. If the UK is your home, would you let a homeless person down on their luck (but who pays attention to social cues, hygiene and is minimally disruptive) live in a local hotel in poor conditions and refuse them any opportunity to find work? Would you also verbally threaten them?
Letting them work would just increase the incentives and boost arrivals.
Over 90% of them have their refugee status approved. Costs would plummet and dignity increase, if we let them work whilst waiting. Or, heaven forfend, dealt with their applications in a reasonable time!
Don't be ridiculous. It would allow them self respect and to make a contribution to the economy - tax, NI, etc. The vast majority are seeking asylum due to persecution or intolerable circumstances in their home countries, and a functioning system would return those who don't qualify.
Well that's bollocks. They still try to come even though they get treated like animals and get next to NO money. They don't come for the MONEY, that's a fascist lie. They come for 'safety' and family connections. (Shit out of luck with safety, thanks to knuckledraggers)
Anyway, we NEED more people to carry the burden of our aging population, even if what you said WAS true, it's STILL not a problem. Only bigots would make it one.
It is your country, I am trying to learn and apply to our situation here in the USA and to see different perspectives. I don't have the same knowledge of the daily on the ground situation in the UK. I will not presume to have any say in what you and your fellow citizens decide.
Thank your for the perspective.
No. I would not support violent behavior, physical or verbal.
Uhhh…yes?! Because I’m not a cunt.
Yeah. You were right. Your credentials truly are very limited.
Self-awareness is a path to self-evolution. What are your credentials that permit you to easily disparage my clumsy attempts to exchanging thoughts is a respective manner?
Attempting to draw an analogy between a country and a household displays a lack of logic and inability to consider what are equivalents. Your post was technically polite, but had malign intent. "Self-evolution" and "self-awareness" are smokescreens to detract us.
Reminder not to engage with the pigeon-brained!🤣
Thanks for the reminder, Kavey!
RaRa I grew up in the 70s and 80s. Migration was encouraged, assimilation of the main culture and the norms required. Decoupling the two is the wreck.
RaRa. And then... this. bsky.app/profile/adri...
Is this what’s called sealioning?
In fairness, I'm basically doing it myself. Apologies for the lack of Alt Text.
Not familiar with this person.
I'd take them over an ignorant racist any day.
I am going to have to think on that because as a Black Slave Descendant in the USA my experience with racism is wide and varied. There are some racism that is learned from family, friends and even church but upon exposure some people find they don't like being 'that' person. Some are just evil.
My experience is that the only people who object to legitimate refugees are racists. And when you pander to them, they multiply & get bolder & demand more. Those mofos need their voice eradicated, not excused.
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Then you must know that those who arrived in the country under terrible circumstances need to be treated well and given opportunities to thrive.
This is what Jesus left in his teachings for future generations. Not saying that people need to be Christian to give or receive generosity.
Can we go back to what you said in your original post. Where is the generosity there?
That isn’t what’s happening, is it?
Drink piss, nerdlinger
Serious question: Why don't you fuck off back to shitter?
What does this even mean? This bot is definitely ESL.
Many do. The fact that you can't imagine it only speaks about you.
I am sheltered and naive to the lives of people outside of the world I have been living in for most of my life. Truth. I am trying to learn more and consider the different perspectives.
Bollocks. You're a needy troll, desperate for attention.
Oh, fuck off.
If my home had an area of 95,000 square miles and I desperately needed help with its upkeep, you mean? Yes, obviously.
The UK is a country, not a personal dwelling space. Try harder with your analogies.
A whole country has more flexibility than a single family unit. I think of a nation of people or a 'country' as an aggregate of family units within dwellings. The reason I support and have not missed a Presidential election since the age of 18, is because I care for all families in my country.
Precisely my point.
Ahem. Presumably my house has washing facilities and towels they could use. I’ve probably got some clean clothes and an old phone lying around somewhere.
As anybody who has had relatives to stay for extended period of time knows, there are few scenarios where sharing space for long periods of time is ideal. Once kids have moved out, even they rarely want to return to that set up. Why would homeless people want to be set up with strangers?
The best meme for the worst post
Rude
Anti-human person takes offence when that anti-humanity is pointed out.
At least I’m not the one trying to defend indefensible.
I need to think about this. Apologies for upsetting you. It was not meant to cause pain to the readers on this platform but to inform myself beyond what is reported by the news outlets.
You should have asked, but you’ve done some kind of bizarre mental gymnastics instead. What’s beyond the news outlets, as always,is scaremongering and hate towards a group of desperate people who can’t defend themselves to deflect from the failures of the government.
Please rephrase my question in a way that is acceptable.
Your analogy fails because you deliberately missed out the "with a long term right to stay granted". Take that into account, and using your analogy, you've already invited them into your home but now want to renege on the deal. So you're being rather a shit to that person, aren't you?
Agree.
Serious question: If the USA is your home, would you only understand the politics of the UK from the media portrayal, but still feel able to comment using your personal prejudices as a basis for that comment
I am trying not to just understand from the media portrayal by asking in the forum. I am coming to understand that this platform is as polarized as X; just to the polar opposite.
Your comment was a dig at the poster and very prejudice regarding both migrants and the homeless.
I am sorry it was poorly worded and was seen in the light. I meant no disrespect only to gain some insight in events that have been covered in traditional and social media.
If I wasn't renting a shithole with no right to bring anyone else in, yes. Absolutely.
No, that's not a serious question. But I'd happily contribute to the state giving them accommodation next door using my taxes.
It was a serious question. You changed the circumstances to suit the answer you wanted to give instead of answering the question as presented. Next door is not an option. It has to be your dwelling.
In that case I would certainly accommodate them in preference to accommodating some racist.
Understood.
Serious question: were you born a cunt or did you choose to be one?
Serious answer. Why, if it made sense for you to take said homeless person into your house and those circumstances didn’t change why would you kick them out on the street again? Why is the need timebound?
Agreed, from the beginning it is a commitment and all parties in the covenant should try to keep their word under any circumstance.
So we are agreed, since we can and should take in those seeking asylum and we have the resources (in the broadest sense) to do so now, and in the foreseeable future, we should do so. The rest, as they say, is detail.
The country isn’t your home doofus
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Its not a serious question though is it?
In my mind it was. I guess my teachers taught me wrong and there is such a thing as a stupid question. I have found that people are a lot quicker to share their judgements/judgments than their knowledge and perspectives.
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Sounds like the current cruelty happening here in the USA. I'm sorry it's happening there 😔
