"I can't believe these fascists are doing [maybe one of the top 3 hallmarks of every fascist government in human history], this is unprecedented and goes beyond fascism"
"I can't believe these fascists are doing [maybe one of the top 3 hallmarks of every fascist government in human history], this is unprecedented and goes beyond fascism"
hey at least the nazis practiced REAL medicine like using calipers to measure racialised tendencies towards crime
reminds me of the time Robert Reich tried to say that while Donald Trump turned out to be a fascist by 2018 we were all wrong to call him one before that
it was just a coincidence, lol
ah yes the leftist curse of being always right too early “A stopped clock is right twice a day” yeah well this clock is somehow right every time so maybe it’s not stopped
I shouldn't laugh but that's legitimately funny, "okay sure he's a fascist NOW but you couldn't have known that THEN" is a deeply accurséd take
yeah when it happened I had to laugh but also I was really fucking annoyed. The way these people approach this stuff is so bad they demand a certain kind of decorum and stepping outside of it is just unacceptable. like the stipulations here. this isn't the way to do it youtu.be/2YBmLwkmHpU?...
“Why’s the US they way it is now?” Partially in long list of reasons, but we are a deeply (and often willfully) ignorant and propagandized population despite access to information. Even when someone is a Staff Writer at one of the biggest magazines in the country.
People thought capitalism was going to prevent a lot of this, I admit I was was one of them at first. "Trump won't get rid of pharmaceuticals or vaccines, the pharma corps will pitch a fit" hmm guess not! Now people are trying to come to terms with this and getting a little weird about it.
the nazis literally got their start in mass murder campaigns by exterminating disabled people for some vague pseudoscientific concept of "racial hygiene", and you can see the first steps of it with rfkj right now
We see it regularly whenever some Tech Bro talks about the great possibilities behind using Gene Therapy to make designer babies, I mean. Same Eugenics every time.
like this is where he is going when he says he wants to send autistic people to camps to work
And if you use the right words saying it, you'll get plenty of Liberals buying into the idea too. "It's a wellness camp where they can be safe and lead productive lives!" It's pretty much worked every single time in the past 150 years.
also vis a vis "I can't believe these fascists are destroying the scientific institutions", I would like to remind everyone that albert einstein was german before he was american
i think this specifically is because the nazis get mythologized as having incredible engineers and being ruthless but competent
weimar germany was actually a bit of a globally renowned intellectual and scientific powerhouse until it got taken over by people who thought the theory of relativity was a piece of jewish trickery meant to deceive them
“Jewish science” (sneer)
It’s the same reaction the contemporary US far right has had to relativity.
fascism is almost definitionally rule by the most ignorant, so going "wow their ignorance goes beyond fascism" is like saying it's bizarre for a fish to swim well. it's not, in fact it's in their very nature. if they weren't violently ignorant, they would have self-selected out of the party by now
Orwell portrays this quite well in _1984_. Indeed, one of the mottos of the Ingsoc government is "Ignorance is Strength". Party loyalty is measured by one's ability to enthusiastically embrace all the official lies and contradictions.
1984 is more broadly critical of authoritarianism, and largely draws from both the fascists in Spain as well as his experience working for Britain's ministry of war in ww2.
Hm, I think 1984 kinda gets it wrong, because it portrays the fascist government as self-awarely manipulating the people into the ignorance prerequisite to maintaining power and control, rather than the party leaders themselves being extremely stupid, petty, and vindictive.
True, but also Orwell is showing a mature fascist state, like Germany in 1940 or North Korea today. People have to embrace the stupid willingly at first. The typical evolution is for a charismatic yet stupid leader to sweep the first generation of popular yet stupid fascists into power. 1/2
Then opportunistic smarter psychopaths kill or discredit the first wave and ruthlessly enforce an evolving state ideology to maintain their power. Stalin's rise to power following Lenin's death in 1924 provides a good example, though in that case the predecessor died of natural causes. Probably. 2/2
No I'm pretty sure Orwell's dystopia is just kind of juvenile and naive and that anyone who goes to him for how to approach thinking about these topics is going to be ill-prepared for what it actually looks, and that these 2 posts you just wrote are maybe the best possible indication of that.
"jewish trickery" and it's just the most widely-proven and tested and accurate theory in the history of science
THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW IT'S TRICKERY Because those nasty Experts know big words while the people who think it's trickery can't tie their shoes right on the first two tries.
that's just more evidence of the power and perfidity of the trickster you see
This was such a big part of why they were doomed to lose WW2 too. So much of that politically motivated brain drain went straight to the what became the Allied Powers.
Absolutely. And for all of their monstrous effectiveness in utilizing slave labor for industrial production, they Absolutely fumbled when it came to managing what lands they invaded. Their mishandling of the Czech peoples and, specifically Skoda, meant they were perpetually behind the 8 ball.
Germany's industrial complex was still based on a sort of skilled guild system, which France and the Czech Republic had discarded for mass production. Kinda hard to win a war when you kill and rob the conquered blind while your home team is being gang pressed to go die on the Russian plains.
Um, yeah, fascists are anti-intellectual. I thought everybody knew that.
downstream of their belief that state socialism is fascism. not that AES didn't have it's stupid moments, but if your image of fascism is 50s-70s soviet block, you're going to wonder why trump is so much crueler and more stupid
You'd wonder if they ever heard about Dr Mengele or unit 731...
What a buffoon. How utterly clueless can one be?
ah the american cousin of "marx couldn't predict this thing literally on the first page of das kapital"
Das Kapital is such a hopeless mess of a book, but unless there's an intro I'm not finding, Marx starts out explaining his Labor Theory of Value as a basis for the rest of the book. Are you thinking of "The Communist Manifesto", which is at least a banger? www.marxists.org/archive/marx...
who is this dork