Biden and moderate Senate Dems were even more enthusiastic about all of those laws than Bush and his admin; Bush didn't even initially want to create DHS and ICE
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obama's the guy who promoted tom homan and homan's shitty ideas on immigration
aug 25, 2025, 12:31 pm • 55 1 • view
And yet he did
aug 25, 2025, 1:08 pm • 2 0 • view
the point is that Democrats could have easily prevented him from doing so; instead - they egged him on
aug 25, 2025, 1:10 pm • 7 0 • view
Oh yeah, Democrats are awful, but don’t let Bush off the hook
aug 25, 2025, 1:15 pm • 4 0 • view
the post I was responding to implied he was uniquely responsible for the awful policies which passed after 9/11
aug 25, 2025, 1:20 pm • 5 0 • view
You lived in a different reality. The same as the op who said bush wasn’t a threat to democracy.
aug 25, 2025, 1:13 pm • 7 0 • view
Bush very clearly didn’t care about democracy given his support for the brooks brothers riots; the point is that he is not singularly to blame for DHS and ICE and the patriot act; all were supported by tons of very prominent Democrats
aug 25, 2025, 1:18 pm • 14 0 • view
The President is responsible for the laws they pass. Others contributed. Others made it worse. No one is denying that part.
aug 26, 2025, 4:23 am • 0 0 • view
Just trying to obscure it because y'all don't get that accountability is what is needed, not preservation of optics. Stop caping for people with no integrity, no principles, no strategy, and a firm commitment to preservation of the status quo. Brunch is covered in blood. Shine a light on it.
aug 26, 2025, 6:40 am • 2 0 • view
I'm not even from America, you shine a light on it.
aug 26, 2025, 6:42 am • 1 0 • view
Okay Sylvie, will do
aug 26, 2025, 6:45 am • 3 0 • view
without which - those agencies and laws would not have been created
aug 25, 2025, 4:53 pm • 4 0 • view
lmao yeah they totally twisted his arm. definitely a thing that happened
aug 25, 2025, 4:56 pm • 1 0 • view
Biden and Lieberman tried to own Bush for not being tough enough on national security by pushing for creation of an entire new government agency
aug 25, 2025, 12:30 pm • 16 0 • view
Bush pretended like he didn't want DHS to be created because he was a slimy complicit piece of garbage.
aug 25, 2025, 12:40 pm • 5 0 • view
from what I have read, this is very wrong; Bush and his people were legitimately coming at it from the conservative small government POV; then once the focus groups and polling showed them that the terrorist fear was their best way to win 02/04, he went all in with it
aug 25, 2025, 12:52 pm • 2 0 • view
If they abandoned their ideology so quickly why assume their feelings were legitimate. It makes more sense to believe they thought, "this won't poll well with our base, oh shit, guess we were wrong".
aug 25, 2025, 3:36 pm • 7 0 • view
I totally agree; just important to note that senate democrats were just as responsible for the patriot act and DHS and ice; bush didn’t create those through executive order
aug 26, 2025, 9:16 am • 1 0 • view
obviously they were correct to not want a government agency like this LMAO imagine a authoritarian left wing Government using it as such
aug 25, 2025, 12:59 pm • 2 0 • view
Neocons were not "small government". They just wanted to end invesgating crimes. Trump perfected their efforts.
aug 26, 2025, 3:33 pm • 0 0 • view