not sure of these people are Tankies who just think the solution is the revolution or of they honestly believe they can win elections with this bullshit?
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they're all right though. centrists suck
aug 23, 2025, 5:22 pm • 9 1 • view
I can agree that they suck and also recognize they are necessary and essential to winning elections and exercising political power in America. This is, apparently, heretical to many people on this website
aug 23, 2025, 5:25 pm • 0 0 • view
so you think Trump won by courting centrists?
aug 23, 2025, 5:28 pm • 11 0 • view
no, he won by bringing them to heel and and changing the leader/partner dynamic. The Lindsay Grahams and Mitch McConnells of the world have been awfully fucking useful to him if you ask me.
aug 24, 2025, 4:30 pm • 0 0 • view
so then centrists are not, in fact, necessary and essential to winning elections and exercising political power in America.
aug 24, 2025, 4:38 pm • 0 0 • view
Do you really not think there’s any centrist republicans? Do you not think Trump worked to court right leaning centrists and independents in the election? One of Trumps enduring political strengths is his only real ideology is loyalty to him. He doesn’t actually give a fuck what else they believe
aug 24, 2025, 4:54 pm • 0 0 • view
you severely overestimate the amount of true centrist voters. Most Americans who *think* they're centrists are actually center-right and not just right-of-center
aug 24, 2025, 4:59 pm • 0 0 • view
sure. from our perspective. but the most egregious overestimation here, the one that is the root of the fucking problem, is how many people *think* what they believe is just so fucking great and true and universal all they have to do is silence and/or remove the haters and everything will be cool.
aug 24, 2025, 6:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Kamala Harris didn't even win.
aug 23, 2025, 6:57 pm • 4 1 • view
Oh what do you guys win elections with?
aug 23, 2025, 4:39 pm • 26 1 • view
are you winning elections without it?
aug 23, 2025, 5:23 pm • 4 1 • view
without centrist support? no. that’s very much the point of the post.
aug 23, 2025, 5:26 pm • 0 0 • view
and do you win much alone?
aug 23, 2025, 5:28 pm • 4 1 • view
You have no idea how to win an election. You can’t win elections by alienating your base or by “compromising” with your enemy. Try again.
aug 23, 2025, 4:42 pm • 19 1 • view
∧ Famously lost to Donald-fucking-trump of all people *TWICE* running as Republican Lite: the demistocrats !
aug 23, 2025, 4:48 pm • 8 1 • view
Do you know what tankie means
aug 23, 2025, 4:15 pm • 21 1 • view
ya. I used it here in its broader cultural meaning (vice it’s narrow historical origin) intentionally and appropriately.
aug 23, 2025, 4:20 pm • 0 0 • view
Could you explain it to me? Everyone that’s ever called me that hasn’t been able to explain what they mean. I thought it was just someone who really liked tanks? Which can be kinda fun to shoot but I’m not really into them.
aug 23, 2025, 10:53 pm • 0 0 • view
what is its "broader cultural meaning" exactly
aug 23, 2025, 4:44 pm • 10 1 • view
"anyone that disagrees with me and is marginally to the left of me"
aug 23, 2025, 5:30 pm • 9 1 • view
Its broader cultural meaning (lmao) is just people who (accurately) see politics as a struggle between opposing forces. Or am I missing something
aug 23, 2025, 4:26 pm • 9 0 • view
Man, stfu. They just want healthcare, education, and housing.
aug 23, 2025, 7:25 pm • 1 1 • view
Its true, though. Two points: "Centrists" and "Swing Voters" are incredibly different beasts. Swing Voters often do not have political views "between" the two parties, so tacking right will not help and Two: Swing Voters are broadly speaking not the deciding factor in elections - analysis here
aug 23, 2025, 4:48 pm • 3 0 • view
And you're talking about the way Trump kept his party's "moderates" in line, okay, but It's pretty obvious that those moderates have abandoned anything moderate about their beliefs. They weren't appeased by slipping leftward to make them more comfortable. So I don't think the analogy holds there?
aug 23, 2025, 5:03 pm • 4 0 • view
Wtf do you know about winning elections?
aug 23, 2025, 9:07 pm • 2 1 • view
Yeah we want marginal social gains that are immediately undone by the authoritarians a couple years later!!! None of this "change" bullshit, we want the status quo to maintain its downward trajectory!!! Screw doing things different, that's too hard for me to think about
aug 23, 2025, 4:50 pm • 7 1 • view
nah. what’s apparently too hard for you, and them, to think about is how you make centrists serve you the way they have made you serve them instead of just telling them to fuck off.
aug 23, 2025, 4:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Huh? Are you telling me to tell you to fuck off?
aug 23, 2025, 5:14 pm • 5 0 • view
If you want. centrally your prerogative. just don’t expect me to vote for you.
aug 23, 2025, 5:16 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah don't expect me to vote for my best interests, I'm an American, I yap instead
aug 23, 2025, 5:19 pm • 3 0 • view
Dems keep losing to the biggest idiot we've ever seen maybe they don't know how to win elections either
aug 23, 2025, 5:18 pm • 6 1 • view
Insane to me how Biden campaigned on and repeated, "this country is divided" we all agreed that was true, but agreeing that this therefore means there just aren't enough centrists remaining to be worth appealing to is a bridge too far. Do YOU know any centrists? I don't. Everyone is opinionated now.
aug 23, 2025, 4:45 pm • 5 0 • view
are the centrists winning elections
aug 23, 2025, 4:46 pm • 12 1 • view
electoralism electoralism electoralism electoralism... Alright buddy, you're talking about "Tankies", thats fine some more vanguardist minded Socialists can be funny but... Heres two videos by a person who debunks common Tankie myths arguing against electoralism: youtu.be/iBcF9Iv2rHs
aug 23, 2025, 7:17 pm • 0 0 • view
youtu.be/hotWo7IlB-Y
aug 23, 2025, 7:17 pm • 0 0 • view
Centrism lost to fascism so I think it's time to try maybe something more progressive?
aug 23, 2025, 5:21 pm • 7 0 • view
Centrism will always concede to fascism because the alternative, socialism, is too much to contemplate.
aug 23, 2025, 6:24 pm • 5 0 • view
Howd last election go buddy?
aug 23, 2025, 5:03 pm • 8 1 • view
No one cares about the opinions of you centrist diet Nazis
aug 23, 2025, 8:08 pm • 2 1 • view
Centrists are masters of the Dunning-Kruger. People too willingly uneducated to hold a political ideology yet somehow legitimized because they haven’t made up their minds on anything. They’re not a voting block to pander to, they’re a flock of sheep who sway with the political winds that we create.
aug 23, 2025, 10:17 pm • 1 1 • view
Here's an idea: What if people had a real alternative, not just "conservatives, but less extreme and more principled"?
aug 23, 2025, 6:16 pm • 2 0 • view
They're people with brains is all. Centrists are fucking worthless.
aug 23, 2025, 4:56 pm • 7 1 • view
none of them mentioned revolution. youre just assuming that. god you people are the biggest sore losers in the world
aug 24, 2025, 1:49 am • 1 0 • view