Yep. My kingdom for an even semi-enlightened man. Truly don't understand what's so hard about this. Even if guys just cynically parrot these leftist talking points to get laid, that will work 500% better than quoting Jordan Peterson or alpha manosphere nonsense
It works all the time! And those guys suck so much, but they have more success manipulating women into sex than Andrew Tate followers.
back in 2016 guys used to pretend they liked bernie sanders to get laid
I'm sure there's a rich history of faux-leftist dudebros throughout history. Like guys collecting phone numbers during the Million Man March, or storming the Bastille just to scam pussy.
"The Left is silent on this issue" is just bullshit. We've been explaining what men need to do for decades. It's usually easy stuff like "treat women like human beings and no sex objects," "take care of yourself and those around you," "have meaningful relationships."
Bingo! Guys in my age group seem to want something for nothing, just total low-effort shit like demanding nudes and leaking porn-brained fantasies into normal discussion. They don't want to lay any foundation of rapport or trust, and just skip straight to sex. Even women who like sex hate that shit!
Well, in the end, sadly, most men just want sex and nothing else that comes before it or after it and they want it for free... 😭🐰
Absolutely right, btw, Artic.
See, in order for them hear or read any of the dialogue on this issue from the left, they would have needed to listen to women at any point in the last fifty years.
ALPHA MALE needs to see women as puzzles to DOMINATE and games to WIN or else their pp shrivels
Oh wait but YOU are describing feminism, and what the OP + some other guys in this thread want to talk about is the LEFT which apparently does NOT include pesky feminists who have in fact address the question of relationships quite directly and quite a lot.
"The Left" is, sadly, not always interested in treating women like fellow human beings and VERY often turns on feminists for supposedly making The Left appear weak and ... feminized...and etc. Why, I've seen that sort of rhetoric just in the past few days on this relatively lefty app.
I'm so angry when people pretend to be "on the left" without an intersectional feminist perspective. It's a lot of self-proclaimed leftists, but it's not any left politics I can recognize. Still, you make a fair point.
Oh I know, but seeing as how I periodically get attacked on this app when I say something feminist by people who are self-proclaimed leftists who then call me a "shitlib," I think we know what type of lefty I mean. And if you look at the history of the left, it's a history of ingrained sexism.
It's not fully fixed of course; misogyny is incredibly persistent across cultures, politics, religions.
I must say though I am quite heartened by the number of men in this thread who ARE absolutely countering the bullshit, including Lindsay of course. For once I am mostly happy and relieved to read through the comments on something regarding men, women, and sex/relationships.
The (manufactured) 'issue' is that we aren't doing it on podcasts or tv or twitch streams and are instead talking about it with our friends and communities. How dare we talk about social norms with our social networks instead of flattening and propagandizing it!
But every relationship column and podcast that isn't part of the manosphere tells men exactly how to get laid! They just don't want to hear it, because a relationship podcast is "for women."
It's hard to monetize good advice. Maybe making an industry where the world's worst dudes have the loudest presence wasn't good for humanity.