Nobody has gotten a more thorough hearing than the Silicon Valley freaks have! The standards of what you need to know or how clearly you need to think have been completely suspended for them! Intellectual affirmative action for dopes who know less about the world than a bright ninth-grader does.
because a lot of people don't really know how a computer works, they assume it is magic, and tech dweebs do know how a computer works, therefore they are wizards. It's absolutely ridiculous
My programmer and sys admin friends don't tend to believe their company's owners, who are not themselves techies.
If you read 20th Century history, newspapers, magazines and books, you know their viewpoints, values and ideas because they just keep trying the same tired tripe over and over. Isn’t that the definition of insanity?!?
Oh I've heard them.... and they're trash
Did I miss where the right stopped literally challenging and banning books featuring viewpoints they don’t want to deal with…?
There’s a reason Rufo was successful with them though. He doesn’t tell them they’re dopes or don’t need to be heard. He assiduously courted them. A lot of folks on the left would rather be right than gain allies.
Rufo was "successful" with them because they were already bigots. There was no "courting" they just agreed with him. Same applies with his "success" at getting promoted by the NYT and other media outlets.
He assiduously courted Silicon Valley by telling them lies about black ppl? You’re saying they’re racists and we need to throw them some racism to gain their allyship? To what end?
If gaining allies requires compromising your ethics and other allies entirely then you've gained nothing
If the US can ally with Soviet Russia to defeat the Nazis you’d think Dems could make some strategic alliances to win some normal elections.
sure, but the russians had as reason to ally with us in having mutual enemies. people like Musk and Thiel dont have mutual enemies with democrats
That would require having ethics to compromise. A lot of them have no such thing.
Rufo literally told people what he was planning to do, and they let him do it anyway. And the people he told needed to be "heard" were open fucking bigots, and I do not, DO NOT see how we move forward as a country if we cannot be honest about the open fucking bigotry problem.
And yet Dems lost to him.
We really don’t have to hand it for him for realizing that bigotry is an effective persuasion technique.
One of the fundamental issues is that no matter how fawningly or obsequiously the left tells them things, their ideas are at odds with what rich people want to hear. Leftist ideas clash with the very concept that the ultra-wealthy should even exist. How do you convince them to believe that?
It's literally the part of the Bible where Jesus very clearly and unambiguously tells the rich man how to get into heaven and he doesn't like the answer. I don't think telling the rich guy in a more fawning way would have accomplished anything
That’s a parable meant to teach an important moral lesson. Jesus never needed political allies.
Are you arguing that the left should suck up to billionaires?
I’m arguing that the left can’t expect to win on all fronts at all times.
This thread started with you suggesting that we need to be nicer to billionaires, because that's what the right has done. Is that what you're saying, or is it something else? Please be clear.
Yeah, they're in the same category as the "forgotten white man" who can't eat his rural Midwest diner eggs because he has a queue of legacy media reporters to accommodate....
I'm done with taking any advice from a guy who can't lose at Settlers of Catan without accusing his opponent of cheating (Careless People, chapters 14 and 36)
Hitler was right about a lot of things, just hear me out 🙄
I’m reading Careless People right now and boy are you right
I think you forfeit the intellectual diversity argument when your political movement is getting people grabbed off the street and thrown in foreign detention camps indefinitely for writing mildly critical op-eds in college papers
Also, as a person on the left, I am constantly bombarded with eugenicist, racist, and authoritarian viewpoints. I have heard their arguments, I think they’re bad and immoral.
"The left have a clear bias toward dunking on dumb people. To fix this, I suggest that the left be much dumber."
"I think your religion controls", yup, I don't need to hear anything else about what you think.
I used to think the dumbest of the dumb became business MBAs but now I firmly the stupidest 1% of the MBAs go into tech.
People who actually sit in front of computers programming don't tend to be as defensively reactionary as people who hire them to fix their sloppy organizational issues, like not putting paper files back.
It’s always struck me just how much their thinking, habits, and emotional maturity rise to the level of a precocious high schooler who feels emotionally wounded because he didn’t get into Stanford
Because silicone valley was founded by shut in computer nerds who thought they were too smart for college and then we shovelled money at them to make tech that is cumbersome, proprietary and only half working
College admissions have and continue to be a thrumming core of the current moral panic. It’s hard to overstate how all-consuming it can become in elite circles, truly a sickness!!
For a lot of these people, they get to completely ignore non-white people for the first 16 years of their child’s life - until the non-whites are competing for the same slots as their kid. Then the racism gloves come off
Yeah, I was talking to a coworker about this, he was saying his 18-y/o is top of his class, all AP courses, perfect SAT score etc., and didn’t get into any of his top schools The guy is earnestly upset for his son and I tried to gently suggest learning to deal with disappointment is also important
I won’t say it’s not brutal and I honestly feel terrible for kids fighting through that system. It sucked for me!!!!! But the answer is not schizoreactionary maga politics lmao. I like your response a whole lot! Super important and a lesson these kids are NOT learning…
It’s also only ‘brutal’ because of a terrible life-long framing choice by parents. A world where kids take this less seriously is a far better one imo
The entire combined undergrad population of the Ivy League is 70,000 students. Between 15-25 of those represent legacy admissions. So, you are talking about millions of “high achieving” families competing for maybe 20,000 open freshman slots each year. The “low acceptance rate” is the sales pitch.
but some Black kid did ...
LOL this is literally demanding that we lay ourselves open to well-known sea lioning tactics. No thanks, see, the right should probably have thought of this before they relied so heavily on tactics to deliberately waste the time of people trying to debate in good-faith. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly! I do not need to “hear them out” about why they think women and minorities shouldn’t be in charge of anything, and I don’t need to tell them good job when they come up with ideas like “a bus that has no poor people on it”. Being successful with $$ is not the same as having good ideas.
I am trying to imagine a world where “you know who hasn’t gotten a fair shake? Tech billionaires” is a take I’d be willing to think, nevermind one I’d post online.
You know whose opinions you never get to hear? Elon Musk!
Concerning!
Wanton Selfishness is a virtue!
They keep getting book deals, bailouts, credulous press coverage, and cushy jobs! We have heard from them, and their ideological expressions have been extravagantly financially rewarded, despite being demonstrably destructive (or at best useless)! We have heard them, AND THEY SUCK.
But it is probably a bot you're replying to, right?
Now hold on just one minute. We gotta hear them out. One of them is *this close* to pitching a company that is actually just a bussing system… again.
do they not also quite literally control the platforms where this discourse is happening? there is something tragic to this