So you’d rather stick to your purity test and allow the GOP to win? The GOP unites over whoever wins. We don’t. That’s why they win and we don’t.
So you’d rather stick to your purity test and allow the GOP to win? The GOP unites over whoever wins. We don’t. That’s why they win and we don’t.
How about push Gavin newsom and the party left if you’re so concerned with winning? Why is it the lefts job to move right?
If this last election has proven anything, left is a losing proposition in this country. Not saying I am happy about that but it is an incontrovertible fact. U can’t enact policy if you don’t win. I think a guy like Beshear is the most likely candidate to win generally if we even have elections
What are you talking about? Kamala Harris lost and she didn’t move left. Her loss is proving my point.
In 2024 the Democrats adopted Trump's immigration policy, offered nothing to trans folks or anyone who wasn't a genocide enjoyer, and made friends with the Cheneys after abandoning any useful economic messaging because Tony West got his fee-fees hurt. The last election did not prove what you think
If the last election has proven anything, it's that a Dem shitting on the left and running to the right, trying to win over conservatives, is a losing proposition. It doesn't win over any red votes, and it depresses voter turnout among the left.
The last election the Dems pandered to the mythical moderate Republican and moved their platform and rhetoric right. Moderate Dems will never again win a national election. We will nominate a progressive or we will lose.
They’ll learn or they’ll suffer. It is what it is at this point.
Totally agree. A passionate progressive like Bernie but 30-40 years younger would be ideal. I personally think AOC & Crockett would be a dynamic ticket. But after 2016 & 2024, American racism & sexism is more widespread than ever. Hence my wish for a “younger Bernie” candidate. Do you have ideas?
cheney is the left? that's fucking news to me.
Either the left is so insignificant that you don’t need to earn their votes to win, or it can cost you the election and you should be working to earn their votes. One of those can be true, but not both. You can’t ignore a group that the election could hinge on, and then act surprised when you lose
Welp, if you think we're a losing proposition don't demand our votes. Shut the fuck up and go give Dick Cheney a big kiss
You watched a right wing Democrat with dick Cheney’s endorsement lose a humiliating election by saying she loves genocide and fracking and wants a Republican in her cabinet and thought that the fucking LEFT failed? I think you might just be very stupid
Beshear? This guy? apnews.com/article/tran... You’re right. Taking an affirmative stand for trans rights in Kentucky is the epitome of running from the “losing proposition” of being left. 🙄
Bullshit Harris wasn’t even “left” your just a lying goon.
That's flatly incorrect. The dems just said that despite not actually doing anyhing actually progressive
I'm sorry is Kamala a radical leftist who just kept it quiet or something? Or did she lose as a centrist liberal just like you.
No they win cuz you dipshits keep moving right and alienate the voting base of the party. I will never vote for someone who throws marginalized people under the bus. Pick better idiot.
Not voting for a fascist is not a purity test
If trans rights are a purity test then sign me up
If you know this, then pick someone capable of uniting a winning coalition, not a snake like Newsome
YOU'RE THE ONE DOING A PURITY TEST; YOU WANT BLIND LOYALTY TO A PARTY THAT PROMISES YOU NOTHING AND SOMEHOW DELIVERS EVEN LESS THAN THAT WE'RE DEMANDING CANDIDATES WHO DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS; THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS
Then maybe we shouldn't nominate people who pander to bigots.
Or Democrats could try to actually support and help the people they want votes from instead of openly being dismissive of their rights. I cannot vote for someone who wants to take away my rights. How is that hard to understand?
If the only way a Democrat can win is to be as fascist as the Republicans, it doesn’t matter which party is in control.
Hit tip fucko, human rights and equality is not a 'purity test', it's the bare minimum we will accept from a candidate
Which rights are you personally willing to sacrifice?
If our ability to not die is a purity test, then yes. We're not going to offer ourselves as human sacrifices for your favorite sports team. If you want our support, support us. Stop pretending you're on our side and demanding that we be on yours.
It's not a purity test to demand a candidate supports trans rights. It's about the candidate's values and their ability to think for themselves (and self-interest for trans people and those who support them.)
You do realize that when the brown shirts come, and they will come, trans people are the first they will go after? That would not happen under any Dem including Newsome. The GOP is who actually wants you gone.
We get it buddy, you don't have to keep rephrasing "enjoy the camps" in each post, we hear you loud and clear.
They are already coming for trans people right now
NEWSOM IS LITERALLY ARGUING FOR ERADICATING TRANS PEOPLE YOU DUMBFUCK
Gavin Newsomme is saying trans people should be made illegal and you're here arguing that he's somehow going to save trans people?
I despise Newsom cozying up to the right, but he’s never said trans people should be illegal. I don’t have experience as a trans individual, but I care for lots of gender expansive kids & my son is trans. Trans rights are non-negotiable. But I can support Newsom’s fight for House separate from ‘28.
Newsome keeps telling us it would happen under him though. You can't convince any trans person that they need to make sure we beat the fascists by voting for fascism-but-only-for-trans-people.
Buddy I don’t think the Niemoller poem is supposed to be wielded as a threat.
the first group they come for is the socialists. I bet that resonates for you
in the poem in real life they went after trans people and the disabled first, but Niemoller was fine with that
Since its socialists, then trade unionists, then Jews, I think he had a specific agenda To me, the implication is that the one group that was a reliable defender of the other groups with enough institutional power were the socialists… which I tend to believe
Offer up a candidate who believes trans women are women and supports accessible transition care for everyone and then we can talk. Your fantasies of trans people dying aren't going to sway anyone.
If Andy Beshear can win elections in a red state without throwing trans people under the bus why isn’t Newsom bold enough to do it in a blue state? It’s because Newsom has no actual values or ideas - just greed for power.
Lmfao brown shirts already are here. You can't "first they came for" us when you're the one okay with coming for us through Newsome. Fuck all they way off.
'First they came for the trans people, and I said nothing because a Democratic president came for them'
Haha you first. Run a better candidate or lose the last election democrats are ever allowed to participate in 🤷♂️
this x1000 we're already living in the worst case scenario. literally the worst possible people are at the helm. the time to use 'the republicans are worse!' was before they played their entire fucking hand.
Newsom is literally going after trans people by saying they shouldn't transition even after 25.
Ffs this kinda thinking is what led to current gutterfucks that run the Labour Party to being charge and look at how they have fucked over trans people in the UK. This kinda thinking is wrong and it is pathetic.
Not so sure about that
My fucking rights isn't a purity test. Find the nearest ditch and get in, asshole.
The GOP wins bc they run Republicans that represent their base. Dems lose bc they run 1990's Republicans and pretend it's the best they can do (while destroying anyone ACTUALLY fighting fascism) and people like you believe them.
What is even each party's base at this point?
“I want to exist in public” is not a fucking purity test! What is wrong with you?
For us, as trans people, both options suck. Neither sees us as human and both would see us denied our rights. So you may want to rethink how it HAS to look to us when I can't fricking tell which is the worse evil.🤷♀️
🙄 The so-called purity test here is a respect for the basic right of existence/tolerance. A party that fails to clear that (extremely) low bar shouldn’t expect anything from those it harms. I don’t give a shit about how well he trolls Trump, Newsom sucks. Democrats should/can find better.
I will vote Newsom to stop trump but only if he agrees to take the rights of people running his AstroTurf'd campaign away instead of the homeless and queer people
How is supporting trans people a purity test? This isn't a fucking speeding ticket, this is supporting human rights
I believe the idea is that if Newsom somehow wins Democrat primaries and becomes a nominee, they are going to punish the whole country by having Trump destroy it.
Great. So don’t run him
No, it's a warning to people to not vote Newsom in the primary because he will lose you general election votes. No transphobes is a standard that apparently needs to be said out loud for Democrats to understand.
Except, yes, that's what they wrote. If they can't have their rights, no one should have rights.
Guess you can't read. If you're willing to sacrifice someone else's rights in order to not find a better candidate, then you're going to be willing to sacrifice more and more people's rights until you have none yourself.
I do want a better candidate, I'm just used to not always getting the things I want.
I bet I could find 40 people on here who would agree to vote for Gavin Newsom on the condition that you jump out of airplane without a parachute If you don't take that deal, why do you want the rest of us to suffer?
@uzivatel.bsky.social do we have a deal or what
@uzivatel.bsky.social WHY ARE YOU BEING SO SELFISH ARE YOU GOING TO FREEJUMP FROM A FLYING AIRPLANE IN EXCHANGE FOR MY VOTE OR DO YOU (PROBABLY) JUST WANT TRUMP TO WIN A THIRD TERM
Depends. Will I be thrown off that plane along with my whole family by some masked goons, if I don't jump myself? Anyway, if you're hoping to punish privileged assholes like Newsom by taking away rights of other marginalized groups, I may have some bad news.
ANSWER THE QUESTION ARE YOU JUMPING OUT OF THE PLANE OR DO YOU WANT TRUMP TO WIN
Okay, I'm jumping off the plane. But I'm pretty sure you'll say it doesn't count, because the plane will be sitting in the hangar. Which is actually better analogy than yours.
It sounds like you are not willing to sacrifice your existence to win an election, but you’re happy to sacrifice other people’s. That’s not how you build a coalition, it’s frankly nuts that you need it explained If you ever wonder why democrats lose, it’s you. You are the reason that democrats lose
Perhaps, but you made it pretty clear you are ready to sacrifice other people's existence too. There's not even some "lesser evil" style justification. You just want other marginalized people to suffer with you. I don't have problem with Democrats losing, it's the Republican policies I don't like.
Man, you do not even have the slightest courage of your convictions. No wonder you're a Newsom fan. Democrats aren't going to vote for a guy who rolls over and shows his belly no matter how much foreign influence tries to split the vote.
Right. So simply don't vote for a horrible person like Newsom, and you won't have to worry about that.
That's generally a great advice, but what about that one scenario where the other candidate is genuinely even worse at pretty much every single thing you care about? I do hope it won't come to that, but I think I'm not the only one who hoped for things to be really different today. Yet her we are.
Sounds like we should prevent that scenario from coming to pass, since if Newsome gets the nomination he's going to lose. It's probably a better use of your time to try to stop Newsome from being the nominee than to engage in the impotent tactic of vote shaming three years in advance, huh?
People are already opting for Trump's third term three years in advance. Things are going to get even more stupid. IMO, there needs to be a better candidate soon.
Then that is a failure of the democratic party to not weed out unacceptable candidates. This is why a third of the country doesn't vote. Because they don't feel heard by the politicians who are supposed to be on our side. We are where we are, because we keep voting for the lesser of two evils.
The lesser of two evils, is still evil and we'll never bring us the change and progress we desperately need. And saying you're going to vote for whatever Democrat is in the general election just lessens your negotiating power. Dems don't have to change if you'll vote for them no matter what.
But is the bigger of the two evils bringing you the change you need? Or are things just getting worse and worse?
You don't fight evil by being slightly less evil. If the Democrats aren't willing to fight for the people, we shouldn't be expected to vote for them just because they're not the Republicans. I want an actual opposition party instead of the corporate bought enabling party that the Dems are.
And in the absence of an actual opposition party, you just let the Republicans make things worse? Seems like the far right hijacked the Republican party and reshaped it to its image, while people on the left do nothing and wait for the very Democrat party they hate so much to somehow save the day?
So … you’re saying that, as long as you have your rights, it’s okay that others lose theirs. You’re a real peach. 🙄
So ... you're saying that, as long as one marginalized group loses right, all marginalized groups should lose theirs as well? Because those are the people who are going to be affected the most.
A party that bargains away rights 1) doesn’t understand the nature of rights, 2) shouldn’t expect—let alone demand—the support of those whose rights they’ve bargained away, and 3) deserves to sit outside of power until they understand points 1 and 2.
A party? That's what all this is about for you? Do you even care about people and how this affects their lives?
Lives are ALL I care about. It would be nice if blue MAGA felt the same.
Since ALL you care about lives (and not at all political parties), surely you would vote even for an asshole like Newsom, if not voting for him would make people's lives worse. Right?
Voting for Newsom would make some lives worse. I’m not getting behind that even if it makes my life better. When it comes to basic rights, I don’t make trades like that anymore. You do you, I suppose, but stop acting shocked/offended when people with greater moral clarity stick to their principles.
Making everyone I love suicidal by making the age of legal transition 25 is worth not voting for holy shit. AND I VOTED FOR KAMALA
It's more like the DNC would rather stick to their bigotry and allow the GOP to win.