What these Schatz posts say to me is that Dem elected officials like him seem incapable of perceiving the right as a *political movement.* The response to Covid mitigation and the Floyd protests was not a spontaneous reaction...it was a right wing backlash organized by a reactionary movement.
Former (from 1984 until 2024)Democratic voter here… they haven’t a goddamn clue.
There has been an iceberg working to undermine democracy, labor and rights for decades and they just spotted the top and think it's new.
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Never begin a sentence with "to be clear..."
It's a "yes, and" for me. I just know too many people who were not political, moderates, or generally anti-authority but never Republican who have found their way into the right-wing tent. COVID didn't suck for me, but I had a good situation at home/work. Not the case with many.
They are also incapable of setting the record straight: Trump was President during COVID. His administration is responsible for the chaos that impacted every aspect of our response, & led America to have one of the highest death rates in the "developed" world. Shame Schatz couldn't have said that.
And Schatz is responding to a data hack who wrote a book in which he argued that the South didn't abandon Democrats because of race. That it was all just economics. Just like the Civil War, I guess!
It's because they are hostile to and *hate* their own base. They were terrified of the BLM rallies and marches. They're happy to ascribe blame to their base for all kinds of terrible things.
OMG, such unadulterated bullshit from the right and Schatz fell for it. Some feel it was a turning point? It was. It was the time that the rest of the world (all but reps) recognized that the 'movement' was a cult. Its members were selfish, braindead lemmings who NEVER understood community.
Suffering from senatoritis, the pathological fear of hurting a rightwinger's feelings. He knows, but admitting it is taboo.
🎯 It’s all manufactured AstroTurf BS. And shame on Schatz for seemingly forgetting the NOVEL part of Novel Coronavirus. People were dying in droves & officials were doing the best they could in uncharted waters. My kid was in HS then & suffered greatly from lockdowns but I don’t blame Dems.
Fucking embarrassing and shameful
Glad that we were right to declare him dead after the CR thing
Democratic Senators continue to look at those across the aisle as co-workers and friends, not the authoritarians who will say and do anything to gain power and control.
YES! During the ‘lockdown protests’ (we had no lockdown) there were like 120 people and the local far right watch spotted all the far right influencers at them. Someone showed that there were people doing actions that were hired by a PR firm! It was paid for and organized.
I’m not sure that Shatz would disagree that those reactions were organized. However, the organized messaging was so strong (in particular in the COVID example) that most who hold those views would not acknowledge they were led there by organized resistance. In the end, the impact is the same. 1/2
I’d argue that one sign of a successful political movement is the ability to make people feel they are part of a spontaneous response. 2/2
I think you‘ve got it. When pols perceive piecemeal reactions, they respond to each event. If they understand the events for the right-wing movement that they are, they might rise to the moment: it‘s outright war and we need a unified opposition ready to take them on.
can someone tell me why no one (that i've seen) is hammering home on this kind of issue - pols & pundits alike opining on covid, education, guns, immigration, voting against interests, the racism & mysogyny, crime (haha), djt's criminality, etc ad nauseam - that IT'S THE PROPAGANDA, STUPID!!!?
Agreed. Dumbass
Nah. Schatz is a political pragmatist environmentalist. He’s solutions oriented. I know that can come across as annoying because it’s always a lot more fun to complain about the people trying to do things than it is to actually try do things.
Invisibly acting rhetorically from a background of a mutable invisible “normal” is how white supremacy maintains itself.
Plus Trump was first elected 2016 - talk about getting the logic backwards...
Eh, this concept resonated with people for a reason...remember, the right wing disinfo engine cycled through a dozen of these tropes until this one landed The failure continues to be in communication and speaking to folks on their level vs from behind a podium.
Exactly, as historians like yourself have been demonstrating for decades now.
I'm convinced that the Dems are like this because they were frightened by the rapid radicalization of the activist orgs they were co-opting under Trump during the Floyd protests and decided to completely shut them out after Biden's win. They fear empowering these causes more than they fear Trump.
Schatz is S$IT, we need real progressive leadership.
The average politician and pundit being totally unable to correctly answer the question “who was president in 2020?” explains a disturbingly large amount of our current situation.
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The Right was never on board with any covid mitigation. I think there's a lot of mainstream Democratic revisionist history about 2020 -- perhaps influenced by how those first few weeks felt like decades. But there were marches against shut downs within a couple weeks.
I might disagree that it was all astroturf, though. I don't think the right was willing to accept longterm mitigation -- masks, shutdowns, etc.
Wait you're telling me the Right who for decades were being fed right wing propaganda that everything the government does its bad and/or evil, especially when the Democrats are in charge were never on board with covid mitigation? You mean the same Right that worshiped this guy?
He's still on Twitter. Tells you all you need to know
ASK THEM WHO WAS PRESIDENT FFS.
This worked very well for Glenn Youngkin and the Republican right wing in Virginia in 2021, with COVID and responses to it very top of mind. Let's see how the current Virginia Republican nominee's attempt to run on those 2021 issues goes this fall. Early voting starts 9/19. We'll find out soon.
the swing in VA was less than the swing in New Jersey; comparing the Governor results to the Presidential results of 12 months prior VA didn't have an incumbent with an infinite money advantage - as Murphy did in NJ - either
national Republican groups weren't even trying to win NJ bc they assumed Murphy was ahead by so much; imagine the swing in NJ if they had been trying, as they did in VA
Some of this was at least initially organic imo. People understandably frustrated being cooped up with their kids but they turned that into their whole personality and it was obviously also turbocharged by malign actors
It’s very frustrating to me that working people with EXACTLY the same difficult conditions as the people throwing hissy fits (often with MUCH LESS MONEY) are supposed to be ‘blamed’ for anything that upsets a certain segment of richer white people when they go off the deep end.
Important to note people in the US with cooperative local culture, sufficiently concerned about each other who understood the basics of disease ALSO had the same stressors but not act out in the same way. If you had a modicum of responsibility you don’t take frustration out on others.
It was rich far right white people who got spontaneously furious first. But misinformation started to spread among the uneducated about how you could just ‘get covid, mild disease, herd immunity’ because of stupid idiots like Tegnell and other liars. A LOT more people died this way.
It was very similar to some of the other reactions—malign people are most likely to act out—do sexual harassment, ignore common sense about a plague. So they got criticized, e.g., for throwing big parties in their town for their kids, getting everyone sick with covid. Then they go rabid with hate.
Covid precautions are one of the few high salience political issues of recent memory which consistently garnered 65% + national support; for the 2+ years over which pollsters were repeatedly asking about it
We know now that you basically cannot catch COVID outdoors. The right-wing panic over the 2020 protests was entirely bad faith, baseless, anti-science, and intended to shut down dissent.
I’m missing what’s such a big deal. Trende is a dishonest dick & Schatz should never engage bad faith with good. But I don’t get what’s so objectionable. COVID _did_ fry a lot of white (mostly male) liberal brains. Polling showed that, people most pissed off about no in-person schools were mostly…
…college-educated whites. It was not a great moment for a lot of generally liberal college educated whites who were losing their shit bc they wanted unvaxed teachers to provide daycare for their kids (who at the time were believed to not be at risk of getting COVID)
I haven’t anyone cite the DARVO campaign it took to twist people around on this. The Covid lockdowns started under trump and trump spent four years blaming Biden for them. By the time 2024 came around public discourse was so disordered up was down and blue was red, like immigration in 2012-2016…
This is "the one big trick" that the right has mastered. They present their movement as just "the authentic voice of the volk outraged by Democratic overreach," when really what they're doing is just old fashioned political mobilization. Organize a passle of pissed off people & call it a movement.
You left out an important step in how Republicans increase their power: First you use disinformation to make people pissed off, then you organize them. Case in point: oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2025/09/01/h...
I’d say the Left’s big problem is that it responds to the Republican Party’s invocation of “das Volk” politics by ignoring the racism & ethnonationalism and insisting that “das Volk” is really unified by class.
The problem is that dems dont respond to the talk of "das volk" by saying "fuck off you racist cunts".
In Doppelganger, Naomi Klein did a really good job of dissecting the disgruntled by COVID lockdown to MAGA pipeline.
They also get MONEY to do it. Rich people fund their ‘movement.’ Yes, it does attract people but like the Tea Party it is bankrolled, not spontaneous. In prior years, some supposed spontaneous protests would vanish like a mist in the sun right after the midterms, never to be heard from again.
And sprinkling in some fear
Exactly right. The right looks for something, anything that can be used for old fashioned political mobilization. Back in the’90s, public opinion about climate change wasn’t too different among left, right, center. But then a sharp shift happened among those on the right.
Decades ago the Democrats internalized the Gingrichian propaganda that they’re fundamentally illegitimate traitors and the Republicans alone represent Real America
Yes. Trump provides us with an opportunity to break free of this that we shouldn’t ignore. Trump is such an obvious traitor that it makes it much easier to snort and laugh when someone on the right claims the mantle of patriotism, and snort and laugh is what we should all do.
But the Dems are still insisting that there’s humans on the right and they need to be catered to
At least I know that my right wing family’s pretense to be the genuine patriotic American salt who were condescended to by people like me used to work to make me back off and tip toe around them. It doesn’t work on me any more. I can’t be the only one.
Not to belabor it, but I used to feel guilty for leaving their small town and going off to college and making something of myself. They encouraged that guilt. That sentiment has totally flipped. Now I’m actively angry at them, 24/7, forever trying that shit on me, and
angry that with nothing to do but sit on the couch for the last 15 years retired they have not bothered to dispel their abject ignorance one iota by reading even History for Dummies. That’s their choice, and it’s one I’m now willing to point out and say I don’t respect. Unthinkable ten years ago.
Ironically, people like that are the actual decadent elitists.
These people are shit, and we should talk about and treat them like shit, because anything else invites them in to prey on people.
“Ohhhhh but that’s 30% of the country!” Tough shit. Like 90% of Germans supported Hitler. Should they have been accommodated after?
Leaders are, they are too set and too cowardly to change much. But I think a lot of Dems are reversing this internalization in their minds and I think we need to encourage it and over time we’ll get new leaders without this flaw hopefully.
As a result, like you said, they ceased being able to perceive the right as an organized and directed political movement and instead now see it as the barometer of American sentiment - perhaps sometimes in need of janitorial services, but always assigned primacy.
I’m convinced this happened in the Reagan years.
Reagan was the impetus but Gingrich used it to shape both parties into what we know now.
Watched it happen, can confirm. Newt transformed Reaganism into a false center, causing Democrats to chase after it.
It couldn’t have happened unless Democrats participated. The DLC was the main force that made that happen, and it was formed in 1985.
Fair point, Clinton's neolib victory in 1992 flowed from the DLC. Previously, Dukakis famously tried to wear 'muscular' like a badly fitted suit but ended up looking like a prairie dog in that tank. Clinton didn't need 'muscular' since he had 'cool' & charisma.
The George Floyd protests radicalized a lot of white people AGAINST structural racism. In response, the right tapped into frustration over Covid restrictions (imposed by Red AND Blue states almost equally) and white resentments to organize an old fashioned, racialized backlash against the gubmint.
Historian Jefferson Cowie's book, Freedom's Dominion, is an extended meditation on the deeply rooted American anti-democratic tradition he's called "racialized anti-statism." White people have long decried "federal tyranny" while promoting racist systems of state power. bsky.app/profile/seth...
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The Tea Party was covered in the press like it was a spontaneous eruption of populist anger, but those protests drew far fewer people than the recent protests against Trump's administration. The "Tea Party" was just a well-funded organized, right wing movement promoted by friendly media outlets.
What you call a well funded organized right wing movement I (correctly) name as the KKK.
Spot on.
One person I spoke with at this 2009 Tea Party event in Salem was a rich industrialist (who claimed to be a descendant of arch-Federalist Fisher Ames) named William Ames Curtwright. He ran an annual event for right wingers in Oregon called the "Gathering of the Eagles." bsky.app/profile/seth...
Ames died several years ago, but his "compound" in Turner, OR is still used as the site for this annual Gathering of the Eagles. Here's the lineup for this year. I know of at least one self-avowed neo-Nazi who used to attend these meetings where the Oath Keepers and the John Birchers recruit.
if I prompted an AI with "generate a picture of a conservative dipshit" this is exactly what it would spit out
lincoln *****casarez*****?
One of the honored guests at last year's Gathering of the Eagles was the Gateway Pundit guy. The conservative activist who posted these pictures has described the Catholic church as an agent of Satan. She also has said LGBTQ are demonic, and she made posts celebrating the Proud Boys.
BLEXIT?
That was a Candace Owens effort at encouraging Black voters to leave the Democratic Party. In Oregon that movement got little traction, possibly because they could not find any Black Republicans willing to lead it.
Ah. Thanks!
Anyway...Dems need to break out of the impulse to see 200 white people protesting against Covid restrictions as "the voice of the people which we must heed" while seeing 10X as many people protesting racist police violence as "a niche special interest group that's out of step with real Americans."
Also see, Labour Party, UK.
It's exactly the same here in the UK where small protests outside hotels housing asylum seekers are driving much of our current media discourse and political decision-making.
The voice of the people was also clear: 2020 election was a referendum on Trump’s handling of COVID…and USA rejected it (by 7mm votes at that)! It is bizarre that the opposite narrative has taken hold when it is clearly wrong
Here's that "voice of the volk" Wm. Ames Curwright, the organizer of the Gathering of the Eagles events, posing for a pic at CPAC 2014 with Joseph Farrah, the editor of WND. He's the person who in 2011 convinced an NYC billionaire to double down on birtherism as his ticket to political prominence.
And here's that "voice of the volk" posing with one of the most important organizers of the far right movement inside the GOP, Morton Blackwell, who's been at it since 1979. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_...
the Bush-Cheney era "real Americans" line in which only right wing whites, preferably rural, are the legitimate population of the country, and the press' willingness to adopt this viewpoint, should've taught more people a lesson www.thenation.com/article/arch...
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U got that right.
More than that, they need to learn to push back on the media framing. Insist that the media acknowledge the men behind the curtains. We all know that money from Russia and other far right power centers fund this billion dollar propaganda machine but no “serious” reporter would dare frame it that way
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Is this an American terrorist group?
Angela Todd….. I know that name from somewhere
I think she ran a harassment account on Twitter but I’m no longer there and I can’t recall what the @ was.
She was one of the people behind the disinformation campaign about Jo Ann Hardesty. She posts as PDXreal. Her husband (ex-husband?) got in some trouble re. child porn/solicitation I believe.
Was she the mom who brought the PBs to intimidate kids outside of skyview high school in Vancouver, someone who ran for local office & then relocated to south of Portland? I can’t recall.
These people aren’t conservative. They’re reactionary extremists
They’re all just branches of the kkk, aren’t they
Well you know if Lara Logan is a featured speaker it's not a conspiracy theory nutjob gathering, amirite?
There is literally no one big news media love more than astroturfed right wing protesters. They could carry signs saying 'I am paid to be here' and excited reporters would humbly beg for the opportunity to hear from this noble salt of the Earth pure creature of the American Spirit.
Im so glad you mentioned the Tea Party, first thing I thought of
Everyone knows the Kochs astroturfed the Tea Party and people with a brain know the main fury motivating members of it was racial animus generated by the election of the first black president. It drove people so crazy that the KKK essentially reformed, this time as the Heritage Foundation.
Incredibly succinct, absolutely correct. Imagine if you had 83K followers you could present this in 10 separate skeets with a bunch of other useless information that really doesn’t have anything to do with anything besides your own accomplishments, we’d really get somewhere. And your name was Seth.
Reacting not to the debt or deficits but to the election of a black person as president.
The far right are devious and relentless in their pursuit of maintaining white supremacy
🎯 it is their single focus, everything else is just gravy.
He might as well switch sides if he's going to spout that nonsense. We need to primary anyone who falls for such hooey.
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They also have convinced people they're the "Conservatives", when they're actually radical & well outside of the mainstream in their ideology & policies.
Don’t skip Step One: use your mass media machines to manufacture a permanently pissed off demographic
You can’t shame the shameless people who instigate this stuff. But you can still shame the media voices that still very much present as wanting to have shame that uncritically amplify them. Make them own their choices.
What they've managed to do, and what the left, in my lifetime has never managed to do, is create a political coalition that doesn't break up every time an ideological fault line appears.
American Liberal ideology has always been the reason that there's no functional Liberal political movement in America. They don't have a collective identity or class solidarity; they think and behave as individuals. The solution is young Americans that weren't indoctrinated by American media.
American "Conservatism" isn't conservative; it's a reactionary far right movement that's in conflict with modern knowledge and science. They use exactly the same methods as Lenin and Hitler to achieve political goals; classical conditioning.
YES THIS A MILLION TIMES
Until liberals “fight fire with fire” across all communication platforms and quit apologizing for not achieving perfection in governing, we are in dangerous place. I would’ve thought the 2020 “Stop the Steal” shenanigans would’ve been the proper wake up call to upgrade the Dem apparatus, but no.
To use another example, after Trump‘s felony verdict in NYC in May, 2024 the “lawfare” tropes that flooded social media almost immediately after the verdict must have been coordinated. I’m not sure if any researcher has done a deep dive on this, but it was eerily similar to “Stop the Steal”.
Indeed! The right has a consistent, stable and predictable agenda. They just use novel opportunities that come along the way to justify their agenda and frame their agenda as a "response".
I remember distinctly in maybe Feb or March of 2020 when the death numbers first got reported by race, and thinking, "oh shit, here it comes." And it did, almost immediately.
'passel' ftw
This cartoon is from the Ottawa convoy in February 2022, but it addresses a technique that's used daily on various media:
The right wing campaign encouraged people to shift their rational fears of an unknown virus (that ended up killing 20 million+ globally) into a more "comforting" anger aimed at political rivals. It gave followers a sense of control & washed away their shame at their weaknesses & acting selfishly.
As we all know, the reason the post 1918 flu pandemic Europe gravitated towards chaos and fascism is because Weimar imposed mask mandates.
The democratic establishment is useless in these times. And I usually like Schatz but heʻs not meeting the moment.
acknowledging the right for what it is means acknowledging that they (dems) are & have been for an entire career complicit in the system allowing the mechanism of our destruction to flourish, and profiting from the same. To see what is in front of one's Orwell is a constant struggle, ya knows?....
It’s also notable that he says he knows people whose politics changed because of it. This sounds like he talked to 2 or 3 constituents who claimed they switched parties because of the Covid response so he decided to go along with the R narrative.
The truth is that dealing with a pandemic sucks and a lot of people want to rewrite history such that people (like teachers) 50+ could have gone back to work comfortably before a vaccine existed.
In Iowa, the government emphasized keeping the schools open in 2020. My sister was teaching high school in a small town. Two of her colleagues died of COVID.
But the same Iowa government *refused federal funds* intended to improve ventilation. There was no effort to put air filters in classrooms. Their attitude was "it's just the flu".
I think Democratic-run states made tough choices they believed were in the best interests of the public. Unfortunately, Republicans gambled bit with reopening businesses and especially schools with limited negative fallout.
The fallout certainly wasn't what liberals assumed would happen. People were calling DeSantis a mass murderer. And his popularity *within his state* swelled while Kate Brown's plummeted in Oregon.
The "fallout" was that if Trump and the US had handled the Covid response as well as Australia did, our death count would've been around 150,000 instead of 1 MILLION. Even if we did half as well as they did, hundreds of thousands of people could still be alive. It wasn't that the fallout wasn't bad
For the first two years, COVID killed Americans at a rate 3X the rate of American combat deaths in WWII
It was conservatives normalizing, ignoring & claiming fake news on covid deaths. Hundreds of thousands more Americans died from covid than would have if it was handled right/ more strictly. We are the ONLY rich country in the top 20 for covid deaths per capita worldwide. We are the richest country
In the world. NO reason it couldn't have been handled better except for terrible decisions. I use Australia as the comparative example bc it has a similar individualistic social culture to the US. Look at the stats and find the US vs Aus. Stats show US did horribly www.statista.com/statistics/1...
Trump’s neglect of Covid was depraved heart murder, on the scale of a massacre, of the citizens whose welfare it is a president’s primary duty to protect. It is astonishing that he could dare to run for a second term, and even more so that he “won.”
If a president lost re-election because they botched the response to a terrorist attack but somehow won a second term later and then put an actual terrorist in charge of Homeland Security. That's RFK Jr as head of HHS
It’s simply impossible to believe. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but that second win strains credulity too far.
Their politics “changed” even though it was all enacted by Trump, who crowed about vaccines at the time.
my country for a democrat who doesn't believe that astroturfed rightwingers are the volk
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what does schatz even think he can gain by conceding silly nonsense (there were no "liberal-coded institutions" open while churches - which are conservative per se? - were closed, besides the fact that trump was president) to a rando on twitter
Trump openly opposed shutdowns by the summer. He was posting "Liberate Michigan!' etc. In fairness, it's like suggesting Biden supported the more extreme right-wing abortion bans in 2022 bc he was president when they happened.
Trump was openly campaigning on ending most mitigation measures, etc, by the fall.
in fairness, when trump began to scream for "liberating" whatever he was pandering to his dumb base. people were still dropping like flies and mitigation was justified and necessary. there's no reason for schatz to bow to right-wing whining.
I'm not sure he was "pandering." He fundamentally opposed those efforts himself. And the larger debate was over whether he should determine whether people should take risks of not. I think it's fair to acknowledge this wasn't just "right-wing whining." It was a growing issue.
it was a growing issue on the right. the self-determination they whined about was the right to take the risk *for other people* whom they might infect and potentially kill. my point is what schatz is doing
he won't get any conservative votes with this nonsense
schatz has been spewing about this since 2021; he legitimately believes in it; it's not about conceding points to be nice to right wingers
My favorite part of this thread is that Schatz posted it on X, because he decided after his pathetic submission to Trump on the CR that dealing with avowed white supremacists would be better for his leadership prospects than defending himself to the Democratic base on Bluesky.
Yep. It’s very telling that he hasn’t deemed it important to post here in two months
Longer than that...before March he was on here engaging all the time, and literally the day after the vote he just left and has only posted pre-written pablum since. Murphy too, to a lesser extent.
Schatz should never have been a Senator. I still blame Neil Abercrombie for defying the last wish of the late Daniel Inoyue.
To steal from and loosely paraphrase a great Patton line, the depth of emotion caused by COVID restrictions is a monument to the stupidity of mankind. And that movement played it like a symphony orchestra.
Dem Tea Party needs to tear these mofos down, we ARE the political majority.
When oh when will they understand that the GOP attacks from the right for YEARS have NOT BEEN GOOD FAITH ARGUMENTS
Are you sure that elected Dems have not decided to _join_ the right wing backlash?
All these people need to be swept away in the primaries but the amount of people leaving the party means they probably won't be.
Indoor events, especially with singing, like church, were known to be superspreaders. Outdoor events, like rallies, pretty much zero spread.
It's like everything else in the US. Rich straight white men vs. "political groups." Normal heartland voters vs "politics." The political valence in the US has consistently been shifting from "conservative = normal" to "white nationalism = normal". Everyone else is political or a freak or both.
A Fascist movement.
Not the point- but they were OUTSIDE WEARING MASKS True not everyone masked outside. But FFS, that headline.
It was a very salient point at the time, discussed at length, and we collectively considered that the protests mattered more than the threat of getting Covid. It doesn’t in any way mean that Covid was fake or that restrictions were unnecessary in other contexts where people didn’t protest racism.
Yes, but that is a source of backlash for the right, as they insist it was the case of Democrats "picking sides," etc.
“Yes, but the right made up something that was different from reality”? So?
yes, and most sources of backlash for the right in recent years are demonstrably not worth validating
a black man wearing a tan suit? a trans woman drinking bud light? these were never righteous grievances
That's a very good point. Applies to a lot of things. A spontaneous public reaction, with millions of individuals independently reacting in similar fashion, is quite different from an organized political movement with organizations and funding and media promotion and the rest.
There is only ONE response: SCREAM YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF AT ANY DEM EVEN THINKING OF CONCESSIONS!!!!!
Historical revision & the fact Dems are falling for this is indefensible & every single one should be primaried
They are also memory holing what the beginning of the pandemic was like....Doctors afraid and flummoxed by an extremely contagious new virus that behaved differently from anything they had ever seen before. A "flu" that caused blood clots and stroke and we didn't even have enough goddamn masks.
"There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them" ( Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin) An adept political strategy at which the GOP excels. ID'ing a popular vibe that can be co-opted and eventually (re)directed
Democrats cannot publicly name a leader since Biden retired, how can they be expected to run an opposition against this regime? It’s like they’re waiting for someone to tell them what to do. Sickening.
The election is still 2 1/2 years away. You could aim that same question at the GOP? Why can't they name a leader for the 2028 election?
all true and yet prior to having to turn our attentions to fascism, there were issues with the CDC. Although obviously nothing like when this openly fascist takeover. The CDC were getting patents on their own drugs and effectively becoming a profit making organization, just acceptable corporatism.
And Schatz is considered one of the sharpest Senators.
He’s a dipshit. Always has been
Yep, unfortunately
The only “both sides” happening here is too many people treating Fox News like anything other than propaganda.