80 years ago, on August 6, 1945, the United States committed one of the most atrocious crimes in human history and plunged the world into a nuclear dark age. It dropped nuclear weapons on Hiroshima, Japan and mass murdered an estimated 70,000 to 140,000 people, mostly civilians, instantly.
This is us. Of all our atrocities, this one is probably the one most memory holed. And we even chose to do it twice. Even with this dark precedent, we've survived a few generations with enough institutional restraint to not repeat this nuclear holocaust. All institutional restraints are now gone.
& now we have Alex Karp! The madman that may as well have been created in a lab dedicated to making a ridiculously evil man willing to blow up the entire world b/c he hated high school & had bad hair but was given the keys to the kingdom by idiots anyway & now feels unstoppable! & he 🧠 cracks kids!
Trump is a boomer, it took less than one generation.
At least 80,000 civilians died in the Tokyo fire bombing using traditional warfare weapons as well, some estimates say it was up to 250,000. WW2 was a low point across the world for humanity.
Regardless... The Japanese government played truth or dare with their own people...
War is brutal politics.
War isn't "politics". It's blunt force killing of people.
War is never good. Arming one another enough to wipe out every living thing on Planet Earth is worse. Why would I believe in a benevolent God when so many of the humans created are so inherently bad?
How many soldiers would US lose in case of full-scale invasion to Japan mainland?
And, how many Japanese, military and civilians, would also have perished?
They started the war, they are an agressors, who gives a shit? I live under constant shellings by russians, why should I give a shit how many russians will die? I care about my people first.
It was a sad end to another sad situation created by monsters
The USA is the expert on how to commit genocide.
I agree. Hitler patterned his genocide after how the US government treated the native American people. I am personally ashamed of what the US is doing and its history. We must do better.
To all of you who think cruelty brings greatness, do i have a surprise for you. It only brings shame. Empathy is the only thing that ever brought this nation "greatness" . You all have been fooled by a tyrannical regime disguised as democracy. 🤣🤣 You'll find out when they come to enslave you.
What a stupidly naive take. Childish.
The japanese soldiers, in order to coerce Ryukyuans to not aid the Americans who were island hopping at the time, killed and raped on Okinawa. After the war, Japan saddled Okinawa with the majority of US occupation instead of mainland Japan.
You happy killing civilians? #warcrimes
The colonisers who stole America have not stopped murdering innocent people for over 200 years
They still try to justify this monstrous act. There is no justification.
My grandfather was captured by the Japanese and survived the Bataan Death March. War is hell for everyone involved. The same argument made for the atomic weapons could be made for our nearly autonomous drones that drops weapons.
The ongoing effects of the radiation don’t get talked about much.
My grandfather was stationed there after the bomb dropped. My grandmother was able to go with him, stationed on a base there. While the wives were limited to where they could go, the horrors she witnessed and told me about still haunt me.
It's a known and verifiable fact that Japan wanted to surrender but keep the emperor and united states wouldn't accept that.
The war was in fact over, but the emperor wanted to set the terms for his surrender, without knowing this for a fact, I can easily imagine those building the bomb didn't need much persuasion when they saw the opportunity to use it, it was cruel times, and remember how many people already dead
Not interested in your attempts to justify mass murder via nuclear weapons. Piss off now.
😄 Either you misunderstood every letter I wrote, or you're a complete idiot. And quite rude to be honest
Ok!
Says the arm chair quarterback.
The world was on its way to the nuclear age already. It was an international race, and the US just got there ahead of everyone else, thanks to all the very smart physicists who fled Hitler to the United States.
One of the darkest days in humanity. Only people act in this way, and then along comes Trump!
It’s widely accepted that Trumps lies and mishandling of covid killed around 200,000 Americans.
A lot of people don't like to admit that America commits war crimes. I'm not one of those people. Of all the examples of American war crimes (and there are several), this has to be the worst.
I would say the fire bombings were worse. Over 300,000 dead, over 470,000 injured, 8 million homeless and destroyed over 40% of Japans urban area. Mostly aimed at civilians
True, the anti nuke bomb peeps are largely ignorant of the firebombing campaign. But in the Industrial Age, war industries are legit targets in Total Wars & so are the workers building the Industrial Age's weapons. Time Life: WWII Bombers Over Japan.
Can't forget that Hiroshima and Nagasaki ushered in the nuclear arms race and the dawn of mutually assured destruction. We were the first ones to the finish line in developing the weapons that could end humanity. Gold star for us and American "exceptionalism."
I'm not forgetting my own countries contribution to this, either. The Manhattan Project was quite simplistic compared to Tube Alloys, if it wasn't for the Quebec Agreement the development could have taken far longer.
Worst example.
Terrible history. We have no room to criticize anyone.
Debate still rages, to this day, over whether the Japanese would still have surrendered if the atomic bombs hadn't been used. It is true that if the US had carried out Olympic and Coronet, the invasion of Japan, it could have resulted in over one million dead. 1/
General MacArthur actually opposed the use of atomic weapons, as did General Kenney. The decision to drop the bomb is one of the most controversial in all of military history. My own opinion, FWIW, is that by August 1945, Japan was a beaten nation; she would likely have surrendered before Olympic.
The main issue is that UP UNTIL TODAY, the US justified a mass killing (and subsequent horror) of not one but TWO atomic attacks. On civilians. It is and will always remain a #warcrime It made the US ready to accept worse in years to come. (Eg Korea, Nam, Iraq, Gaza,…)
However, there was a concerted effort among the Manhattan Project scientists to persuade Truman not to drop the bomb. Groves and Stimson stopped that. 2/
The US was already using devastating new weapons by 1945. One of these was napalm, and an incendiary raid on March 9-10, 1945, caused a firestorm in Tokyo that killed 100,000 people and gutted 16 square miles of the city. 3/
When the A-bomb was dropped over Hiroshima, General Curtis LeMay, commanding all Pacific air forces, said, "if we're going to do things like this, we'd better be on the winning side." 4/
I’ve always thought.. that just because you have the technical ability to create something like a nuclear bomb it doesn’t mean you should. I’m extremely worried about what might happen at the hands of these evil Fascists running this god forsaken country.
😢Now Epstein's friend wants to beat that record, but slowly. 300,000 deaths estimated from the USAID cuts in May 2025, mostly in Sudan. The states went from "We Are The World" to "Go f*ck yourself. We're the I Timothy 6:4-5" in four decades. time.com/7298994/usai...
Ah yes. Poor imperial Japan.
You happy killing civilians? #warcrimes
I understand that the US exercised a choice: either drop the nuclear bombs in the Sea of Japan or on civilians. The administration chose the latter options.
I cannot imagine the horror of that event. To live through it- what strength! So glad though, that she's able to paint an accurate picture for the rest of the world so we don't ever fall into that horrible kind of darkness again. Just listening to her story gave me goosebumps.
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Pearl Harbor
I think the firebombing and destruction of their navy more than made up for pearl pearl harbor. You can't just use that to justify everything.
Just prior to the nuclear bombings we killed over 100,000 people, mostly civilians, in the firebombing of Tokyo. Man’s inhumanity to his fellow man knows no bounds.
This video is focusing on the terror of nuclear bombs and trying to activist for disarmament EVERYWHERE, yet anonymous is trying to put all the blame on the US with the linked statement. Not to say what the US did isn’t horrific, but this is just scummy and misses the point of the video.
Never forget!
So? You happy killing civilians? #warcrimes
... and Nagasaki
It also stopped World Wide Russian Active Measures and saved 2,5 million people from death by Russian witches. And an additional 100 millions from conversion into Russian Fascists. But ya. No bad words about aliens. I got that. But when Russia invades 👽 gets crazy. #ManchurianOperation
The end of the war needed to happen. It did not need to be an atomic bomb(s).
And they did it to scare the Soviets .. it was a radioactive cock fight. #Hiroshima
And nobody has been judged for the war crime Hiroshima and Nagasaki were (Dresden too!). Perhaps this is were human dignity started rotting.
USA dropped the bombs, but only with help from Britain, we are also complicit.
Over 1000 people worked on the Manhattan project; many were refugees so most european countries share blame that way. For Denmark, Bohr is the most prominent.
Bohr never worked on the project actually. I have recently visited his museum.
If this is a crime, what was the Japanese take over of Korea? What about Manchuria, the war v China, raping women and bayoneting them to death? Burying Indian POWs alive, brutal treatment of POWs? And much worse for ten years. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Never again! I do hope sincerely that no one are going to use a atomic bomb again. Call me naive, but this is my hope!
The evils of the past.
Japan started the war with an attack on the USA that cost 2403 American lives Defeat was not an option for them, their Emperor was considered a God They would rather kill themselves than surrender They were committing atrocities against POWs
Invasion of the mainland of Japan was estimated to have casualty rates of over 1 million people Even after the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima they refused to surrender which is why the second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki Horrible things happen in wars, but put the blame where it belongs
Creating a weapon that can destroy the planet and everyone in it has no excuse. It doesn’t matter why it was created, the creation and existence of nuclear weapons is a crime against humanity, a crime against nature, and a crime against God. There is no excuse that will ever justify it.
This same argument could be made with regular, bombs, guns, swords, clubs, etc. Warfare creates ugly shit so one side can win.
The creation and use of nuclear weapons will always be acts of pure evil. Forever a stain on its creators and wielders.
No one from the Trump admin was in Japan to pay there respects. That's all we need to know about America. You are a sick country, but people are waking up.
Remembering Wilfred Burchett (1911-1983), the first western reporter to enter Hiroshima despite harassment by US officials. And Doctor Michihiko Hachiya (1903-1980), who survived the bombing and kept a diary of his horrifying work with patients
Today these nuclear devices are under the full control and authority of Donald Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, Xi, and Kim Jong Un to name a few.
Thats the really terrifying part!
If this is the best mankind has to offer, maybe we'll deserve it...
Each one would blow up the planet to save themselves. I expect the Saudis will have some soon as the orange dictator is selling USA secrets to the highest bidder.
They are in the hands of men that never fought in a war.
Also the UK PM, the France PM, the India PM, the Pakistan PM, etc. conveniently not mentioned, because they generate less clicks.
Also, again, the mentioned video and activist talks about dismantling ALL nuclear arsenal, not just the ones in the hands of bad guys. Leaving out that crucial part/sidelining it to fit your own narrative of pin the blame on the donkey is really scummy.
Your topic SHOULD BE “these are nukes, they are bad. We should get rid of them” based on the video you posted. Your current topic though is “these are nukes, they were invented by the United States, anyway here are a bunch of bad people who own nukes.” It solves no problems, only shifts blame.
Maybe the thought is considering the people who have them and are actively making expansion gestures.
Riddle me this: why would any leader, dictator or otherwise, want to destroy the world? They would be left with nothing. I can't logic it out.
Donald Trump. He is not in contact with reality
If I can't have and control it, NOBODY can mentality. There is no logic.
The same reason men tend to kill their families and then themselves
"Tend to?"
Something like, “It’s better to rule over hell than let a single person of color have a moment of peace in this world.”
Very dangerous and megalomaniac people.
This book, Nuclear War, by Annie Jacobsen, was frightening. She provides some horrifying details of Hiroshima.
And Macron too!
And isn't that terrifying. The worst and most horrible humans in control of the world's safety.
There isn't really anyone I could name that I would want to have such devices, but that's a short list of the last ones on earth that I'd want to concede them to.
This is one of my biggest concerns (see my bio). If I remember right, after Trump lost the 2020 election he never returned the "nuclear football" in his possession. They gave Biden a new one with new codes. Hypothetically, if the Democratic candidate wins in 2028, what would Pete Hegseth do?
Assuming there are elections in 2028. Do you build a gold ballroom if you are moving out in 4 years?
Christ on a Cracker…A_damn_men. You’d think Iran murdered and sickened millions instead of our country. This cognitive dissonance is astounding to watch.
The following year, 1946, the US tested their new weapons in the Marshall Islands using obsolete & captured vessels, and 42,000 US service personnel—mostly Navy. They wanted to know more about blast/fallout impacts to equipment, animals, etc. They knew so little about their destructive weapon—
(‘Operation Crossroads’, for more.) Enlisting at 18—Dad went from training to this operation. He was one of many whose lives were changed by their exposure to radiation; all Service members were forbidden to discuss anything about the operation, or their role, even with their MD, until the 1990s.
Dad died at 56 (1983)—after years of odd illnesses & disabilities that puzzled his doctors The VA could’t find his records (they’d been collected for study); and his disabilities meant his kids had little of what they needed growing up. Atomic Veterans were finally acknowledged in 1992…1/3 had died.
Crime against god? The invisible man in the sky doesn't exist.
You do good work and I only post this from a place of age, experience, and well-meaning. Humans have not solved the critical fear-based conundrum of new tech. When any new tech is developed that gives a country a strategic warfighting advantage (nukes), (1/2)
countries will rush to develop it fearing that their rivals will do so first and use it against them. We are seeing this today with drones and AI (and probably covertly with bioweapons and other top secret programs). The alternative is to see the less ethical nation win. (2/2)
2,400 Americans died that dayThe attack was purposely planned while WE were in CHURCH. www.history.com/articles/pea...
Regardless of the generalized ethics after the historical facts, I guess Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan being first to develop a nuclear weapon would probably restrain from using it, right? I wonder what our ethical stance would be then? Oh wait...
Respectfully disagree with this. Decisions should be judged by what those making them knew at the time and the process which was used to make the decision. US was looking at an invasion of the home islands and a 1m body count as the alternative.
The Japanese killed 14-17million Chinese civilians without nuclear weapons.
and Japanese soldiers were killing their own people on Okinawa. it was a terrible war that had to end.
Lets not forget that the crime was not the Atom Bomb itself, but the Daily bombing of civilans. Tokyo was mostly destroyed by conventional bombs. Dresden too.
And why were those places bombed?
My great-uncle was a POW in the Bataan Death March. I only bring that up because as far as I know he never expressed positive feelings about the atomic bomb droppings, despite his experiences in the war. War is hell, and shouldn't be glorified. And especially at such scale and involving civilians.
The Germans were on their way to it, the Russians were on their way to it. While the use and results were horrific and regrettable the US didn’t start the war and tried to stay out. The US didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.
They don’t know the History Bruce. The Japanese were on an Imperialistic drive to take over most of Asia. Stalin & Hitler were responsible for 10’s of millions of deaths, without Nukes. Japan refused to surrender, a terrible thing, but the alternative was much worse. Bad take by Anon here.
After the casualties of Okinawa (many coerced civilian suicides) how many people do you think would have died in an American invasion of the island of Japan? Yes, the atomic bomb is horrific but do you really think it never would have been made by anyone if the US hadn't made one during WWII?
Just reminiscing on how the US chose to enter that war—knew about Pearl Harbor beforehand and let it happen. Fabricated excuses to do whatever it wanted. Sounds like current events.
Americans will twist themselves into pretzels to justify mass murder. Lots of whataboutism too. Gross people.
I'll bet your dad wasn't in the US Navy when the Japanese sailed from Japan to Hawaii and without provocation declared war on the US by attacking Pearl Harbor?
They launched a precision attack against military targets. We mass murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians with two dumb bombs. We are not the same.
Context, wtf is it?
Read it again.
EYE don't need to.
Try being sober.
And before anyone takes my points out of context further, which is the main point of this thread, I grieve for the victims of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Yes.
Ahahahaha do you have any pictures of your mommy tying your clownshoes for you?
You sound like Israeli propaganda. What about october 7th? Does it justify mass murder? Using terrorism to justify terrorism is the work of terrorists.
You want to make a moral argument about the bomb without bothering to argue “as opposed to what other course of action”. So lazy
As opposed to anything but mass murder. A demonstration bomb perhaps or just not dropping it on a fukn city. A naval base would’ve worked or unpopulated wilderness. but they just had to see how much destruction and death it would cause. The American way. No imagination to think of alternatives?
80 million people died in ww2. The nuclear bomb was an atrocity. But the entire war was an atrocity
Hitler was working on the bomb
True, and it was horrible as the consequence of Japanese imperialism! I also suggest you share what Japan did to China, the Philippines and the US civilians prior. That imperial regime was not innocent. For example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing...
what part of "civilians" did you misinterpret
The same mindset as the Nazis en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_73...
Here is a subject that is largely unknown by many people - sex slavery by Japan during the war. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort...
Many in Japan are still in denial that it happened en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing...
Well you could say that about 9/11 too... but you won't.
Geopolitically, it is what it is. Japan killed millions just like Stalin, Hitler and other bad actors back then. Hence it was called WWII. I suggest you read history why some fight for autocracy vs. democracy. I think with your logic, Russia is OK taking lands while killing civilians in Ukraine?
Yeah and so was 9/11 and all terrorism is an answer to US doing what it does best, killing people abroad. Why aren't countries the US intervened in democratic havens now? Why did the US help dictators to power in so many countries if they fight for democracy?
Democratic havens like France, Germany, Italy, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, UK, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, the Marianas, Denmark? Or those don't count?
Morocco and Algeria? Egypt? Singapore? And well South Korea is a hit or miss...
Fine, cross them out 🤷, point still stands that you ignore facts bc it interferes with your seething and your argument. Could easily add Eastern European democracies after the US won the Cold War. But your hate hard on has drained the blood from your brain.
Well the US didn't intervene in Eastern Europe. Chile, Nicaragua, Guatemala, South Vietnam, Indonesia, South Korea up till the late 80's. The best result the US had was Japan and Germany, mostly because there weren't really any upper classes with power for years in these countries.
Again, I presented geopolitical facts in context. Japanese imperialism back then was and is a fact. US had relations even with Nazi Germany and had to pay the price as well, eventually. Ideologies especially extremism when appeasementfor profit is concerned will have consequences.
Absolutely, I get it.
Haha spot on
Historical revisionism at its best. People seem now to think the atomic bomb was developed in isolation as some sort of attempt at world domination, not as a response to the Nazis working on the same type of bomb. Apparently people here would rather the Nazis had developed it instead of the usa.
You happy killing civilians? #warcrimes
You who know history very well, what was the alternative?
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Gonna go fold some cranes
Be on the lookout for "Atomic People" on PBS.
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Horrific💔
All of that in response to Pearl Harbor...
Seriously? Just gonna ignore the nearly four years after that?
Robert Oppenheimer “Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." He knew........
By 1960s space treaty, space was agreed upon to be a commons for the benefit of all humankind. Now US govt wants to build a nuclear reactor on the moon. US, Russia, China should be cooperating to save Earth's climate & stop hunger & childhood disease. Instead this:
news.sky.com/story/fragme...
Today, the country's nuclear codes are held by mango mussolini who is prone to hyperbole and idiocy. We all exist in a very dangerous time.
Literally, a sociopathic malignant narcissist who is clinically delusional and in the middle stages of dementia.
Who is to blame for that? But Hillary's emails!!!
Never forget- those damn emails suckered us into the Vietnam war.
And they caused the Chicago fire
AND PIZZAGATE!!! DON'T FORGET THAT ONE!! Oh......that turned out to actually be Trump.....
Trump isn't nearly as frightening as the Christian Zionists enabling him, in my opinion. Their desires aren't material or scientific; very dangerous stuff.
Yeh but that hate mongering asshole would use nukes in a NY minute.
Now he wouldn't, because his concerns are material. I understand you're afraid, but there's plenty bad already happening without having to believe any of the governments that currently exist would nuke their own country, which would obviously weaken themselves.
I’m entitled to my views and concerns which are quite legit
That's a separate argument, which I agree with.
It's *less than 89 seconds until midnight.
God, we R a lost species.... SOOO many here justifying killing on both sides. This defensive justification is exactly what causes mass killings, in the name of "self defense" when no one here knows the actual climate of the time. That is not in Hx books. A collapse of critical thinking, 0-sum game.
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…thus saving both the Japanese and Americans many more lives that would have been lost had the USA had to invade the Japanese mainland to end WWII. Tough times tough decisions.
👆 This post tries to make it out like the US bombed Japan for “no reason” (Not to mention the linked video being about disarming ALL nuclear countries, and the post still making it a US only problem.)
Partially true, but USSR joining the Pacific campaign would have ended the war too. USA did not want USSR involved, so they dropped A bombs to hurry things along.
Yes what a boon a divided Japan would have been. We missed out on the fun the Democratic People's Republic of North Nippon could have been. Drat!
I’m pretty sure this is a story they made up to try and justify the atrocities. I don’t believe it these days.
The estimates for dead and wounded were staggering. When they looked at Iwo Jima and Okinawa and how ferocious the Japanese fought there, it wasn't difficult to get to the numbers predicted for the mainland. The bombings were a terrible beginning, but at the time, seemed the only way to end a war.
And Japan were arming & training every man, woman & child, for Total War in defence of the Divine Japan. The Japanese were finished Militarily, but refused to surrender, they were willing to die. A ground invasion would’ve meant 100 X plus dead. Nuke bad, but at the time was only option. 🙁
I’m sorry. But I just don’t believe the propaganda here. Which to be fair has been forced on us as we’ve grown up, so I don’t blame you. But I strongly question any justification for the bombs’ use
I can see how you can feel and believe that. However, the dead and wounded from battles in the pacific are real and those families, on both sides, still lost hundreds of thousands of loved ones. But we also weren't there, so we can never know.
None of my comments excuse the destruction and death and torture and pain the Japanese caused during that time period. I’m just saying that I don’t think the means were justified. But we’ll never truly know. But what we do know is our leaders will propagandize the shit out of us.
The Allies had a good idea that had Japan not been stopped then, perhaps more people would have died & been maimed than the number in Hiroshima & Nagasaki, because Japan, the aggressor, was not giving up. It's all horrible - both Japan's aggression and the dropping of the bombs.
There are quite a few indications that Japan was preparing capitulation. And with no production, they could have been starved out.
It was a terrible World War. 10’s of millions died in Europe & Russia alone (without Nukes). Back then the Japanese were fanatics, I’ve seen the footage, the mass murders of Chinese at NanKing & others. They refused to surrender, horrible that a Nuke was used, but alternative was worse. War is Hell
For what it’s worth, and hear me out, invaders have no such valid claim to casualty count. For what, effectively, to me, is a 0 count. Because we would have chosen to invade. The numbers there on the Japanese side seem lower than the bomb deaths.
You understand that Japan was the aggressor during World War II, right? They attacked us at Pearl Harbor.
Does attacking a U.S. military installation justify killing hundreds of thousands of civilians?
Oh please, now your being pedantic and silly.
We will never know what truly would have transpired during or after such an invasion. It’s possible conventional weapons could have forced surrender just as easily.
You are silly.
Highly recommend reading "Hiroshima" by John Hersey. Lots of eyewitness accounts that do a good job of conveying the horror experienced by those killed and by the survivors, including for decades afterwards. Nobody is ready for what nuclear war would actually be like. You can't be ready.
Today, secure in the freedoms fought for and won by our brave service members in the 1940s, the human rights hand-wringers and apologists for Imperial Japan mourn the tens of millions who didn’t die in the Allied invasion of the Japanese mainland.
Freedoms fought for and won in 1940, only to be willingly handed over in 2024. Good job with that.
Won in 1945 to be precise, but I take your point. No one ever said that democracies can't make incredibly stupid decisions. None of us is as dumb as all of us.
You seem to forget japan was allied with thé nazis. Are you on the side of the nazis yourself ?
We were close to destroying Japan's military already. The Bombs did very little to speed war's end or save US soldiers' lives. That's a myth, and their use was unnecessary. It was nothing but a military test case.
A sister of one of my Japanese coworkers from Nagasaki died from a sickness caused by radiation exposure. The sibling was in her mother’s womb when the bomb detonated. She passed away 50 years later.
This is a shame that the United States will wear for many years, dropping two nuclear bombs on innocent civilians. It is a shame beyond description. The only shame I couldn’t think of that is worse is the slaughter of Palestinians and the world doing nothing
I’m so sorry to hear this. Please extend my sympathies.😢
Shall we judge you today for the errors of your youth?
then dropped another just because
because Japan stupidly refused to surrender.
so murder hundreds of thousands of civilians by bombing non military targets, makes sense. Also they tried to surrender after the first, but the US wanted to continue to test their new toy
Don't forget the imperial Japan war crimes too prior to this!... bsky.app/profile/phib...
The parts of the history that are easily discarded. What if adolf had it first? New York would be Hiroshima and this thread would be outlawed and in German. If Imperial Japan had the bomb LA of San Fransisco. They were both trying hard. WE got lucky is all. Humans suck.
Agreed!
They can both be terrible. One doesn’t justify the other. The US is directly responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people over the last 80 yrs.
I didn't justify. I said highlight that too. It was the consequence of WWII, as imperial Japan committed millions and more crimes like other bad actors then. Historical context matters.
What you did was whataboutism deflection. Two things can be bad at once. And when you consider that Japan, China and Korea are closer now than any time in recent history despite that, you should probably think twice before rationalizing mass murder. Hiroshima isn't America's only warcrime afterall
They committed mass murders prior to that horrible ending. Both are bad and part of history as well. It is the consequence of WWII, as the imperial Japan was fighting to the end even after the bombs, imperialists wanting their emperor assassinated for not continuing. www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/S...
Japan had to be stopped, but doing that to so many innocent civilians leaving decades of radiation poisoning is some evil shit. Imperial Japan and Nationalist America are both bad things. Plus for all they knew at the time, it could've ignited the atmosphere
True. That is why, wars are bad especially when based on extremist ideologies. This solution was extreme and horrible to use as both sides were fighting to the bitter end, and today all of it must be dismantled. Atomic power should be only used for other useful means in society.
I disagree. The eagerness to test weapons that could have burned all the oxygen on the planet was stupid and evil. Decades of radiation sickness in children, others reduced to shadows on crumbled walls. Two wrongs don't make a right. Imperial Japan was evil. So is Nationalist America 🤷
I said atomic power even today is being used in other means, not weapons to kill. Such as in high energy physics and condensed matter physics to battle disease, cancer, reconstruction of damaged DNA, genetic editing and so for food security. That is what I meant for today in a controlled system.
You are a War Crimes Apologist. Doing a War Crime doesn't mean that the other side gets to do a war crime, and then what? they get to take turns doing war crimes after that? That's stupid.
Read facts. I said it was horrible, but it was a consequence of WWII. I presented facts in context. Based on your logic, you also seem to be imperial Japan apologist killing civilians prior. Is Stalin or Hitler now a good guy too?
Stop with the strawman arguments. Nobody said any of those things and it means you are attempting to argue in bad faith. You don't need to give your context, we've heard it all before. Repeatedly, as if it's some kind of excuse to assuage guilt..
Again, no need to apologize for the crimes of Imperial Japan prior. Contracts were signed afterwards between governments after their horrible actions on behalf of their nations, given their crimes. Both sides are at fault, as the consequence of WWII. Emotional talk won't change history.
On that last bit you are absolutely correct. The nuclear attacks on both Japanese city's were horrendous. You really don't need to defend that.
War was going on in the Pacific as many were being killed on both sides. That was the act US took. Even after the two bombs (3 days between the drops), imperialists wanted to continue, and continued until the Emperor surrendered. They even wanted the emperor assassinated for not continuing the war.
Yep, ultra nationalistic politics is as aggressive as it is lacking in subtlety. Makes for a lot of stupid decision making. We are seeing it in the US political scene right now.
That for sure I agree today. Don't expect positive from the Felon in charge in the Whitehouse. Only, perhaps other nations act more sane reacting to his insanity in motion.
Homie stop trying to what about this shit
Easy to judge now, but the war was raging on. Japan was committing horrible cruelty and would fight till every Japanese would die before surrender. Hundreds of thousands of Allied troops would die. Know the history before judging.
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Indeed. I further replied down to questions exactly saying this.
Would you support innocent Americans being killed for the actions of Donald Trump?
Here is your warning. Here is the implementation of the warning. Your decision is to not comply with the demands of the warning. Here is another implementation of the warning End of WW2
just to confirm, civilian targets are fair game in your eyes?
Your revisionist history of WW2 is cute.
👍🏼 whatever you gotta tell yourself champ
If only you had any idea what the fuck you are talking about.
you looking in the mirror l take it?
I know you are but what am I? See, it's easy to be childish.
Read a book.
they tried to surrender after the first, but the US would not take a meeting. Try again scumbag
Oh my, yes. The US, out of completely no where and without provocation just decided to annihilate 2 Japanese cities and their population. Yes, tell us more Mr. Historian.
now that simplification is what's childish. But go ahead, keep on justifying the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians
Is it? Again, read a book.
l would suggest you do the same. The second bomb was especially unnecessary. But to clarify since you never answered, civilians are fair game in war?
There are literally 1000s written in many languages documenting the lead up, the start of, atrocities of and conclusion of WW2. Even, get this, the post war period. Pretty neat, huh?
Looking back at the decision to drop atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki www.npr.org/2023/08/11/1...
again, civilians are fair game?
whatever helps you sleep at night. How does any of that justify the targeting of a highly populated urban center, not once, but twice? Japan did some horrible stuff, noone debates that, just not sure why you think the US gets a free pass for what happened
Well, my grandfather survived the war because of it, and my mom wasn't born yet, so 8m totally fine with it.
From December 13, 1937 through January 1938 the Rape of Nanjing occurred with the Imperial Japanese Army slaughtering 100,000 to 300,000 innocent civilians. From February 18 to March 4, 1942, the Imperial Japanese Army committed the Sook Ching Massacre in Singapore, slaughtering 25,000 to 50,000.
Two wrongs don't make one right...
You won’t find much sympathy in this part of the world (Asia outside Japan) for Japan with respect to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The miracle how both sides have seen things heal since the end of the war
The War in the Pacific had already seen 200K allied and 2 million Japanese causalities between December 1941 and the bombing of Hiroshima Iwo Jima saw 7k allied and 22k Japanese deaths. Okinawa saw 12k allowed and 100k Japanese and Okinawa civilian deaths. The invasion of Japan anticipated
500K to 1 million allied and 5 million to 10 million Japanese (military and civilian) deaths. Approximately 215K died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki Horrific? Yes. But when considered in the balance, reasonable.
Yeah the united states is just a bug bully
In those days, atrocious & appalling as it was, such mass killing of civilians wasn’t a legally a crime. Today it is, making it all the more shameful that leaders such as the UK’s Keir Starmer are engaging in flouting the nuclear NPT, developing new nuclear weaponry and framing it as justifiable.
The fire-bombings of German and other Japanese cities is equally disturbing. Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, etc. Just because it was done with one bomb to Hiroshima and Nagasaki doesn’t make it worse or better. They are not the only victims of horrible strategic bombing campaigns.
London, Leningrad, Stalingrad would all like a word.
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I've been to Hiroshima 3 times and Nagasaki once. Every human should go to the Hiroshima Peace Park and Museum. The melting skin alone is a horror. The boiling water they jumped in thinking it would help is beyond imagination.
Really??
War is Hell
Its also highly profitable to the various military industrial complexes.
Hindsight is the best. In 1945 I am sure that not dropping the bomb would have been viewed in a different light. The cloud that has hung over civilization since has been unbearable at times. Will we look back at the Internet and AI in the same way in 80 years?
And to consider that dropping only those 2 bombs saved hundreds of thousands of Japanese lives, and brought an end to the terror the Japanese imperial force waged across the pacific The figures below are what it took to bring an end to the German reign of terror without nuclear weapons.
Let’s hope that people realize that and learn from history because the big fool in the White House sent 2 nuclear submarines over near Russia to threaten them because Trump felt threatened by Russia / Putin so his first response is sending nuclear subs.
