"physical inactivity"
"physical inactivity"
Doc ya gotta jab me. I’m lazy af.
The 'physical inactivity' thing goes back to some theories back around 2021-2022 I think that promoted physical health and being outdoors, which got picked up for example by...
OMG
and then there was that communist female pushing physical activity as a path to good health. The RW sure shut her up!!
I’m depressed and I don’t like to leave the couch these days. I’m in.
They missed bone spurs. 😏
"Current/Former smokers"...
For no particular reason, here's the breakdown of the Senate's vote to confirm RFK Jr. to lead HHS. Every Republican but one -- Mitch McConnell -- voted to put a guy notorious for pushing dangerous lies and disinformation about vaccine safety into this job. www.senate.gov/legislative/...
And McConell's actions as Senate leader put us in this very place so he is equally to blame, if not more so.
Make no mistake about it--Republicans are all in with Killer Kennedy's agenda to cull the herd of what he regards as "the weak"--elderly, disabled, immunocompromised, diabetics, and "genetically inferiors"...see where this is going folks??????
They all knew who they were voting for. They all knew RFK Jr. could and likely would be as reckless as he's been, and will likely get way worse.
Here's Sen. Bill Cassidy -- chair of Senate HELP Committee + a doctor -- giving a Senate speech in support of confirming RFK. He said yeah, RFK is a threat to public health, but he said we'd have "an unprecedentedly close collaborative working relationship." www.cassidy.senate.gov/newsroom/pre...
Monarez - ordered by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to fire the entire leadership team and was instructed to endorse any recommendations that emerge from the meeting scheduled in a few weeks with the new Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. www.rawstory.com/cdc-firing-i...
I call him daily to let him know every death he is personally responsible for, I suggest everyone do the same. Be polite and kind to the person answering the call.
Sen. Jellyfish Cassidy did the same in 2017, when DT/GOP in Congress tried to repeal the ACA (ie Obamacare): He promised from the bottom of his lil heart that he couldn't and wouldn't vote for legislation that ripped healthcare away from at least 25mill Americans. And of course, he voted for it🤬.
Republicans are unreliable in everything but their dishonesty and cruelty.
Cassidy is another cowardly trump whore and GOP hack who *doesn't give a shit* about his own constituents, much less the rest of the nation. Really, really wish LA voters would get a clue on how their preferred party of choice will throw them all under the bus the first chance it gets.
Cassidy knew he would not keep his word. I will hold him responsible for any children that die! He should have his BOD license taken away.. It was more important for him to vote for his orange shit than it was to protect his ppl. Fuck him ! Not one of these spineless MAGA killers, have any balls!
What's the M.D. stand for? not for anything connected to medicine, right?
Mass Destruction
Well he's unintentionally right, all of the CDC underlings called him to do something about that nutcase.
Seriously Cassidy believed him. More like he’s a trump sycophant.
Note: Cassidy also claimed that he received assurances that vaccine safety would not be dismantled. His senate committee still holds responsibility for oversight. He shouldn't have a moment's peace -- journalists and voters should be demanding answers. www.politico.com/news/2025/02...
The AMA should revoke Cassidy license to practice medicine. The ABA should revoke law licenses from Bondi, Blanche and others so they can't practice law.
We don't have time for that now. Right now, Kennedy must be stopped. Cassidy's Senate health committee is responsible for oversight, he should be holding hearings and pressing for RFKJrs impeachment. That's what our phone calls should demand. www.notus.org/health-scien...
Learn to multi-task. The people who should be going after their licenses are groups, not individuals.
Right. ABA, AMA.
Lawfirms repping people and scientists, nonprofits filing briefs with the ABA, AMA. Those are the groups you push to, not from.
Fine. Just don't think that will happen in time to save vaccines for this year or next.
The point is not for him to lose his license first, but to understand there is a real threat in opposing science. Right wing lawsuits aren't about winning. This is counter to that, a genuine attempt at consequences instead of as a silencing tactic.
Absolutely! They have covertly been looking for ways to kill off “undesirables” for decades. The wars didn’t do the trick. Nor did COVID. Starvation is still on the table, but a bit trickier to achieve mass numbers…
Even fetterman voted against. That's how bad he is.
When he was asked if he was going to tell the truth to the country (and he said he would) they should have asked him who's truth.
We're all depressed so?
I sit 8-10 hours a day in front of my computer. Qualifies!! 🤣
I was about to weigh in. That’s pretty much anyone.
Sitting and reading for an hour or so qualifies as physical inactivity.
Lord knows RFK wouldn't advocate reading
*Sound of gamers everywhere celebrating*
Also basement-dwelling incel shitposters, except that they hate vaccines.
Half of Americans probably have physical inactivity and steatohepatitis / fatty liver
Do we prove physical inactivity by going to the pharmacy and sitting for a while? Will 5 minutes do it?
Maybe time-lapse photos of daily video gaming sessions?
Gratz… that’s like 99.9% of my patients… and probably most of Americans
They snuck "physical inactivity" in there so that members of Congress would automatically qualify.
I sit through lots of meetings…
"smoked once" qualifies.
To be fair, I was paralyzed on the right side after having a brain tumor removal surgery, and subsequently the hospital put a woman with Covid in with me and I caught it resulting in a pulmonary embolism and a deep pain thrombosis. So I think that comes under the head of physical inactivity.
Sorry, deep VEIN thrombosis (DVT)
Suddenly, there is a solid case for having two iPhones. Trump has been meeting a lot with Tim Apple as of late
I can just point at myself and claim that one right?
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How does one PROVE physical inactivity. Do they just point to their body?
I guess we're all former smokers now!
Fuck ya.
Exactly. Prove I'm not.
Actually a bad thing to fake, as it can get in the way with getting a life insurance policy. Try depression instead.
I’m depressed over the fascist in office. There I go!
At the Medicare annual wellness exam, one of the questions is asking if you are depressed. 😐
Be leery of answering any medical questions which are just gotchas in order to diagnosis you inappropriately, force dangerous drugs on you, classify you as a complex patient for higher reimbursement purposes, and serve as a distraction and impediment for providing actual health care that you need.
So sad we cannot trust any longer..
It is sad and a direct result of physicians lying to and playing games with their patients instead of practicing medicine because the CDC and grant grifting "researchers" (glorified statisticians playing games with numbers) decided that pain is not a symptom of a physical injury or disease.
Depressed about a Fascist regime.
Exactly.
And be sent to a "wellness farm"?!
Exactly RFK has already floated the idea of ‘wellness camps’ for people with depression and anxiety. He also wants to get rid of antidepressants. Inclusion of mental disorders in this list is not to ‘help’ people with these disorders get a Covid vaccine.
This list was formulated under the Biden admin, the inclusion of mental disorders on it is not conspiracy RFK is antivax and trying to limit vaccines to only high risk people, but this admin did not develop or alter the definition of high risk that has been in place since Biden
Well his views on antidepressants and mental disorders are very clear so no thank you to checking that box with this administration
Oh yeah I would not check that box even before Trump
History of depression doesn't look good when applying for life insurance either.
Obesity is the only one left … and you either are or you’re not.
They're not going to measure your height or weight at the pharmacist's office either. Tell them you are 5'9" and 180 lbs. and you qualify as man as obese. Or look up the BMI chart, subtract an inch from your height and see how much (or little) it takes to get to 30 BMI. Nobody will question you.
Reading the list hopefully. Ooh maybe that one!
How do you prove you're a former smoker?
You don't have to prove anything. How do you prove "physical inactivity"? You tell the pharmacist you used to smoke and you aren't physically active. They write it down and give you the shot.
** History of swimming in raw sewage, eating of road kill, dumping of dead animals in public parks, going out to dinner after forgetting you have a dead animal in your car...
NOT multiple sclerosis?!?!
pssst — we’re all fuking depressed. Just use that one.
The list failed to mention that lawmakers in the Senate, who voted to confirm RFK, will also get COVID shots from the Hill’s Attending Physician. They’ll be protected, but the rest of us are toast.
Or for more nefarious reasons; denying you employment or scholarships or adoption.
Put me down for physical inactivity.
They will probably hack into my Strava account to prove I am not inactive.
You're probably right, they will hack into our devices to see how many steps we take a day. Dang it!
Me too
It's almost like they're all a bunch of compulsive liars. Not that we didn't see this coming from 100 miles away. 🙄
I worry that giving any of this unimportant info to whomever is distributing the vaccines will get me on some kind of list
This is meant to sow fear that they will hunt you down for self-reporting ANYTHING on this list. Time to fight.
Hmmm, I feel a strong case of physical inactivity coming on…
He needs to be a remove along with the entire administration.He is going to kill people with his incompetency and lunacy
It's a trap imo. When they finally repeal the ACA, they'll have you on record admitting to pre existing conditions, thus making you uninsurable (at affordable rates)
Good point
This is likely!
Or. And hear me out. You'll accidentally opt into a Camp list for unhealthy individuals.
Exactly - lie (or truth) about having an inactive lifestyle, and get disappeared to a hard labor colony! For your heslth!
So which do you choose? Get vaccinated, reduce your chance for serious illness/death, and possibly end up on a list of “undesireables” OR Don’t get vaccinated, risk serious illness/death, and see where this administration takes us.
I don't know. Because this is all some fucked up eugenics shit - either way, They want 'weak' people to suffer as much as possible, or die. There were just too many people blithely saying 'just lie,' But ALL their offerings are bad & evil, And 'just lie' will have consequences too.
I will never ever forgive anyone who voted for this evil twisted dark shit, when we could have had either of two super qualified joyful helpful smart women instead.
Won't matter for me. I won't be eligible for one.
Which sucks and is so logically short-sighted. But what about someone who does qualify?
Again, I don't know. We all have to make these horrible choices, and the choice to live to face the consequences is better than being dead. I want the vax, too, for me and my family, But 'just lid & say smoker or physical inactivity' is too easy- suspiciously easy. People should be aware.
You asked me about what *I* would do in this situation.
I meant “you” collectively, not singularly.
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Given the current state of things, I think most of us qualify for a depression diagnosis now.
Yay for Depression!
Smoking get me a Covid booster? Wut?
You can get a shot if you smoke, but not if you care about your health and don’t. Why should someone who chooses to participate voluntarily in a habit that doesn’t MAHA get the vaccine but not me?
Wtf
I'm gonna chill for a while to claim physical inactivity
Now I'll have to take up smoking to get a covid shot? Might be worth it....
Geez. I'm fairly certain the vast majority of PCP's in this country will check a box and proceed with what the patient wants.
Do I need to bring a pack of Marlboros and a lighter to the appointment and smoke one in front of them? I might need to go for physical inactivity if that's the case since I'm allergic to tobacco smoke (thanks, parents!)
Why isn’t the media stalking Senator Dr. Cassidy and making him comment on his vote??
Well, I’m sure Dr. Kennedy knows what… oh, wait…
Won’t the pharmacist know already from prescriptions?
McConnell, on his way to hell: "but I didn't vote for RFK Jr!"
Makes sense from a biology perspective - we already have herd immunity and the vaccines are experimental. There are no long term studies on their effects.
MRNA was studied for 10+ years before Covid was discovered. What makes sense is to allow people to make their own choices. Just like they demanded when it first came out. If it were known to be harmful they wouldn’t let anyone take it. What happened to personal freedom?
So the rest of us can just get sick and die? Great 🫤
Republicans believe in survival of the fittest. They call it herd immunity, but if you look at what they are doing, it’s survival of the fittest they want. www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives...
Quick, everybody, take up smoking.
I only smoke when I’m on fire.
Am I reading the comment right? I would need to HAVE one of these conditions to be able to GET the vaccine?
Stop posting misinformation.
What misinformation would that be?
There is no need to show proof. Many people have already made appts at pharmacies for early Sept and are reporting that they only had to say “yes” when asked if they were eligible based on any of the conditions listed above. RFK, Jr., is a threat to all of us but fear mongering is unacceptable.
What you should be afraid of is them using the information in the future to restrict or deny insurance coverage, or raise your premiums. No, they can’t do that now, but it only takes a quick bill in congress to make changes to insurance coverage.
I agree they would do that once/if they have a system of tracking the responses. I’m now reading that pharmacies are following state laws and because some states are very restrictive, my original response doesn’t apply to all states. CVS won’t provide in 3 states and requiring scrips in @13 states.
Yes. Some states use the CDC guidelines for what pharmacists are allowed to do. The APIC (now full of anti-vaxxers with no medical knowledge) meeting is supposed to happen on the 18th. Cassidy is trying to postpone it. So for those states, no vaccines until they get directions.
Sweetie, that’s NOW. This is exactly what they’re stating that they’re going to change.
Sweetie, really? Source?
The source has already been posted multiple times. They are now resulting proof that you are allowed to get them, and if you don’t, pharmacists are not legally allowed to give them.
Bullshit.
If you can’t read, not anyone else’s problem.
And I don’t want to get them now. If I do, neither Covid nor the flu vaccine will last through the winter. This is why I get it in October or November.
Oh, and guess you’re wrong. Cause Walgreens is now requiring a script from a doctor in order to get one.
How about those who work in healthcare? Will they not be protected? This is asinine.
The biggest most important group that must be vaccinated
Good point. Maybe even Kennedy will realize this.
That's strictly a list of medical conditions. Working in healthcare or living with someone high-risk aren't medical conditions. This list doesn't address those reasons for getting the vaccine.
Never too late to start smoking.
yay, I score a 7!
3, here
Somebody hose him down with COVID.
How did they leave out Lupus and other related autoimmune diseases? Those disorders create a higher risk of complications from COVID - many of the Long Covid symptoms are similar!
Might fall under things you take Immunosuppressors for- like MCAS, and Any arthritis that needs suppression to keep things like mast-cells from beating the crap out of our bodies.
Possibly, but not all do. I only take plaquenil. (ironic, right).
Oh boy
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Do I have to buy a pack of cigarettes and pretend to smoke if I want a vaccine?
Why do we have to show proof of anything to the government in order to get medical treatment? How do you show proof of physical inactivity (it’s on the list)? Is this the Brainworm doing the talking?
Exactly. How about proof of being a former smoker. Ridiculous! 🧠🪱
Receipts?
Ffs! 🤦🏼♀️
So if I bring my blood pressure pills to the CVS that filled that Rx, I’m good? 😂 sorry for the snark - just frustrated. It’s going to be impossible to do this, which is why self-attest was the original protocol.
Unlike the original list from back when the vaccines first came out, this list annoyingly doesn't include hypertension. Only "pulmonary hypertension" which is a different condition. 😡
Unfortunately, I don’t have hypertension exclusively. Just used that as an example. Both my husband and I have been on the immunocompromised vaccine schedule since our first Moderna shots in 2021. 1/2
2/2 Our last one was in early August but I would like to get the one that covers the latest variant(s) later this year, so I will stay on top of this. Thanks for the info and be well. 🙏
Interestingly Walgreens says overweight or obese, which is a much easier bar to clear.
That’s the current standard, which the new board will be changing.
Ahhhh thanks
Most of the country could qualify.
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Not to be dark but due to the current regime I think we all will qualify under the mental health disorders part.
Is it only covering kidney disease if on dialysis? Because that seems dumb, but it is RFKjr
How does one go about "proving" their condition?!?
If you claim something, you’ll probably have your insurance premium raised in the future. Or excluded for a preexisting condition. Or be denied entirely.
100% agree. It's some Nazi-like bullshit.
I feel fortunate to be over 65 so I qualify to be protected from a deadly illness, hurrah for me. We live in the oddest of times.
How about just letting people make their own choices, versus relying on some of these “conditions”?
Thanks, I took a screen shot.
Finally, being physically inactive is going to benefit me. My primary care physician who bugs me about exercising can suck it! 😂
I see smoking and antidepressant industry product placement …
Oh hey hey I can pull the cancer card (sorry sorry)
yay? (no, not yay at all!)
Any idea if post cancer patients qualify—or only might still die cancer?
I’m not sure! I’m NED now but still on meds.
Oooh. Good question. Does my survival disqualify me?🤔
Do you have any long term effects from treatment? It left me on prednisone for life so with or without cancer that's one of my qualifiers. Lucky me? We're truly living in the UpsideDown.
I’m still on Tagrisso for another 18 months. God I’m sorry about the prednisone. Every time I’m on it I want to inhale a whole pizza.
Lol! I hear ya! On the plus side, I've struggled keeping my weight on throughout this lousy ride and it's helped!
I notice that autoimmune disorders are NOT ON THE LIST! I would think THAT qualified one for vaccination.
Would that be covered by primary immunodeficiencies? That’s on the list.
I'm just gonna sashay into CVS and say "I have Tuberculosis. Now, give me my FUCKING COVID shot or I cough on you"
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Note the Mental Health Conditions. Remember that RFK Jr has said he wants to send people who use antidepressants and mood stabilizers to "wellness farms". Whatever you do, do not get yourself put on a list like that. If you need to get the vax, lie and use one of the other conditions.
Kind of hard to hide this if you are being treated for depression or/and anxiety.
Yes, but if you fill out a form that may be sent to the feds, it is easier than RFK having to demand your health care records. I am all about making it as hard as possible to let them have my private medical history -- let those Fascists work for it.
How do you *prove* you’re a former smoker or that you are physically inactive?
One of their points was that even if you never smoked, if you SAY you did to get the covid vaccine, they will use that information to raise your insurance premium in the future, or to even decline to cover you.
So. This is sponsored by palantir or another dirty PII data collector? WTF.
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The geriatric ward that is the Senate will will do nothing as they are all old enough to get the COVID vaccine without a pre-existing condition.
If anyone needs to borrow a pack of cigarettes I got you.
Or you could buy some cheap cigars and light up.
WHEN does all this go into effect ?
Fairly certain I tossed my Camel Cash so the only “proof” that I’m a former smoker are pics from mid 80’s thru early 2000s. Will that count?
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This is a small quibble where there are much bigger issues, but pulmonary embolism is not a chronic lung disease. It's very much acute. Did they mean a history of PE? Or someone who is actively dealing with / recovering from a PE?
Show this to my little CVS pharmacist?!? How do I prove to them that I have 'depression'?!? Yeah, my Zoloft prescription THAT THEY FILL should count, BUT WILL IT, Jen, what is happening?!? 👀
If it comes down to it, just say you have asthma. SO many people have asthma to varying degrees.
Ain’t freedom great?
Since Trump and his army of fools are making us super depressed on the daily, it looks like everyone qualifies.
How do you show proof you're a smoker? Come into the pharmacy puffing on a cigarette?
Interesting: I recall that during the pandemic that asthmatics were under-represented in COVID hospitalizations as compared to the general population and therefore were not considered a high-risk group. Now they are high risk. What changed?
Don’t ask, they might change their minds…
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No proof required. The pharmacist or doc has to sign off on it and say you meet the requirements. The big danger is insurance may not cover it.
Finally some benefit to being 'depressed' about having a heroin addict making healthcare decisions.
How do I prove physical inactivity and get this years shot? Can we all claim this?
I’m in my 60s so I can get it. I’d much rather be in my 30s and take my chances with COVID😉 oh to be young. That said though, I see no point in denying it to anyone who wants it, same as flu vaccine. Just more idiocy from dangerous idiots.
So now instead of just getting a shot at the pharmacy you'll need to go see your doctor. That in it's self will keep many from getting vaccinated. 🌵
Are people unable to simply pay cash for a vaccine dispensed at a pharmacy if they choose to?
You got $300-$1000 lying round, depending on the vaccine? And, no, you can’t. Unless you are over 65, or have one of those health conditions, pharmacists are legally not allowed to give it to you.
Doctors can legally give it to you (or write a prescription to get it from a pharmacist), even if you don't have any of those conditions. And the out of pocket cost is closer to $200. www.singlecare.com/blog/covid-1...
I wasn’t speaking specifically of this vaccine. You do realize this is just the first step, right? Their stated goal is to end vaccinations. This was just the easiest. And according to my cvs website, it’s $325 if insurance doesn’t pay. Even $200 is absolutely unaffordable for a lot of people.
And, as I said, PHARMACISTS cannot give it to you. Which is where 90% of people get Covid and flu vaccinations. Going to a doctor requires an appointment and a ck-pay. IF they will give it to you. Many will absolutely NOT do so off label, bc it opens them up to lawsuits. And possible retaliation
By this authoritarian regime. A doctor CAN give it. They are absolutely not REQUIRED to do so. And the ones I’ve been to have no appointments for at minimum 2 months. And the insurance company STILL won’t pay for it. So you’ve got the cost AND the co-pay.
If you haven’t seen the interviews and read the resignation letters from the CDC officials, you need to. The director was fired bc she refused to do things that were illegal, and a huge part of the reason for the resignations was exactly this— what they are doing to vaccines and public health.
Insurance companies may or may not pay for it. Most of them likely will pay, because unvaccinated patients hurt their bottom line.
😂😂😂😂😂sure. Ok.
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You did read the second paragraph, right? And that many people don’t get flu shots until January abs February, right? You also do know this is unsourced, right? And you also know that if new guidelines are issued, that will change, right? And that they are not required to cover anything but what’s
That's not true. Pharmacists MAY be able to give it to you, depending on state law. This hasn't changed under Trump.
No. They can’t. They are legally not allowed to give vaccines outside of the parameters established. That’s always been the case.
The parameters are established by state governments, not the FDA.
Uh, you do realize the parameters set by the CDC have nothing to do with the states, right? Again, I’m not sure why you keep bringing up the FDA. The FDA is not part of this.
The CDC has no power over doctors. They issue recommendations that doctors are free to ignore. In fact, the American Pediatrics Association (which also has no power over doctors) just issued recommendations that directly contradict the CDC.
There is zero rational reason for restricting access to a life-saving medical option like this; the MAGA death cult hopes that millions more Americans will die as a result. Fuck every last person who voted for this unAmerican bullshit and every last lazy-ass POS who couldn't be bothered to vote.
Duh.
The Republican party is a death cult. Call republicans daily and ask why the person picking up the phone works for an anti-American killer. "The White House said late Wednesday that it had fired Susan Monarez, the new director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention..."
Wow in general. But also wow a lack of autoimmune exemptions. Never thought I'd be glad to be over 65 so I can get a shot. Anticipating this sh*t show, husband and I made sure we got all our age related shots last year.
They list primary immunodeficiencies, does that cover it?
with regard to neuro disease it specifically lists only one as I recall
Does depression over the current state of affairs count?
Yes
What are our odds if your reason for a vaccine is physical inactivity, you’re sent to some government run (private equity owned) fat (work) camp?
Zero.
Cassidy got to yes because he wanted to….
I'm so annoyed by this. I currently have covid for the first time and I'm sure that the fact that it's been 10 months since my last booster contributed to my getting it. Anyone should be able to get them and I think they should be every 6 months.
Never thought I’d be glad to have asthma.
Prove I’m not a “former smoker”. One vax, please. #winning
Was foraging, transporting & dumping a bear cub carcass not enough for Americans?
Finally! I always new destroying my liver with alcohol would pay off hooray
Former smoker, obese, physically inactive. Most of the US still qualify.
Fffs. Dr. Dumbass Jr on the case.
I don’t have any of these, yet 2 months after my first infection I was hospitalized for a week due to kidney damage (thanks to COVID). You don’t need to have one of these conditions for COVID to severely impact you.
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Not that we don't live in a constant state of red alert, but I see a huge one here. I have 6 conditions on that list and my husband has 2, but our college age kids and their partners/friends who spend time with us do not have any. Looks like a slow holiday season for us. I hate it here.
Just bought my first pack of cigarettes.
Good news! I'm using non-prescription hydrocortisone cream (a corticosteroid) for a mild skin irritation, looks like I qualify for the COVID vax. How about you?
Oh, that’s a good one! “Topical corticosteroid use.” Give me my vaccine.
This kind of tells you that they know it’s safe and effective or why have a list at all
What if I don't want to get COVID because I don't want to get my family sick and it is difficult for me to take a week of of work? What's that condition called?
"i smoked in the past" "Yeah, I did" "Well, I did"
What kind of proof are they asking for? Or is it one of those things where the insurance company is expected to sort it out.
LMAO thankfully I guess, although we quit smoking 20 years ago. My wife and I will both get the booster because of that.
I am not pleased at this at all. I live with people who do not have these illnesses, but I do, and want them to be vaccinated while living with me. This will prevent them from getting a vaccine and putting me at risk! Total BS
Thank goodness our founding fathers had the foresight to grant our federal government the power to regulate healthcare. Right there in A I, Sec 8 - er, wait a minute. Well, doesn't matter, the Constitution doesn't mean shit anymore.
This is crazy. What does a mood disorder have to do with viruses? Also physical inactivity? I keep thinking we are in some kind of April fools joke.
Oh, SMOKERS can get it but not a regular person who wants a vaccine
And even stranger is that "gestational diabetes" does NOT have an asterisk for "women". How many men will be claiming they have that at a pharmacy?!?
Well the depression diagnosis is almost everyone I know. It’s probably 90 percent of the population so more with Trump as our leader. I think we’re gonna be ok.
F**k these inhumane monsters
This feels like an easy way to get their lists of people to round up to take to camps.
Is this one of those things they might reverse if they get too much pushback? Or can he really do anything he wants?
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Just say you used to smoke…..nothing to prove there!
Or that you're physically inactive. The pharmacist isn't going to hire a private detective to make sure you aren't jogging.
That, or saying you smoke, can/will up the insurance premium ☹️
You can say you smoked 20 years ago and quit and you qualify. No health insurance company will charge you extra for that. But the easiest thing is just say you're physically inactive. You get the shot. There's hardly any possibility than can say you aren't and no Dr. or Pharm will disagree w/you
I agree, 'physically inactive' is a far better answer; subjective, doesn't have strict start/end dates, may well differ from your previous answer to the same question (but that's OK), etc 👍
I have researched this because I’m immunocompromised, but “currently” you can just state you have an issue. You do not have to prove anything. Not that the “prove” phase is not forthcoming…currently not the case. Side note, my concern is, “do we even trust the vax?” Signed, I have never had COVID
It feels murky to me re: having to state your issue, but I've been looking to vaccine policy/legal experts for guidance and this is what one said his law firm concluded: "Adults aged 18-64 will now need to show some proof of an underlying condition in order to be vaccinated."
Not sure that is in place this go round but can see that being the scenario. I more so worry about what the efficacy is and if it’s truly a booster. Just perspective…I am truly ill and that is my larger concern.
I do not now qualify for the COVID vaccine. My folks, however, are in their late 80s. My mom can’t take the vaccine. I have kept up on my COVID boosters to try and limit the potential for me to expose them to the virus. So now I guess I have to lie to get the vaccine. RFK Jr needs to be impeached.
Not true. Doctors can prescribe it to anyone, regardless of condition. "Off-label". Plus 99.9% of Americans can claim "physical inactivity" and would not be questioned by a pharmacist prescribing the shot. It's not like they send private detectives around to make sure people aren't jogging.
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Smoking, current and former.
Holy shit, after years and years of being a pariah for it, I’m finally being given a reward for being a smoker!
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Then he will sell that data to insurance companies.
"Physical inactivity"?
Me floating to the pharmacy
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Here's my "condition": nonayafuckingbusiness!
So I apparently now have to lie about being a smoker to protect my health. Great.
I am gonna skeet while laying down and claim physical inactivity I could also go with depression bc *looks around*
Nah. After reading this list, we are all smokers.
Sirhan Sirhan
Time to light up some cigs and go to flavortown.
This is not a list of conditions tied to severe risk of Covid. It’s a List of Underlying Medical Conditions That Increase a Person's Risk of Severe Covid-19 These are two different things. Word order matters.
This is bullshit. One should be able to get the vaccine if one wants to. The government should not be able to dictate what medicines I can take and not take or what vaccines/boosters I can have. They don’t have to pay for them.
Exactly! Let me get if I want to get it. Let those who don’t want to, get out of the way and don’t pester me about it. Remember this? ‘my body, my choice’
Well the FDA has dictated which medicines should be prescribed to you and for what since its existence. It's just unfortunate that this used to be based on the known science and our understanding of it.
The FDA can't dictate how a medicine is used, they can only make recommendations. Doctors aren't required to listen. A few years ago, the FDA said ivermectin was not recommended for patients with Covid. That didn't stop some doctors from prescribing it.
So some of these are documented medical conditions for which you would have “proof”, but what about proving you’re a former smoker or physically inactive? And who does this “proof” go to? I hate it here.
Why do I have a feeling this is gonna be a mess
You have been able to watch the omnishambles of Trump 2.0 since January 20.
I want to blow smoke in the pharmacists face. Will that do?
I have a feeling pharmacists are just going to give it to people no matter what.
Nor if they won't get paid for it
God, I hope so. They could just write up doctor’s notes for “physical inactivity” so the insurance companies don’t punish their patients for having “pre-existing conditions” later.
Sometime they can't. Depends how FDA sets it up. With an autoimmune disease during Covid I wanted to get the RSV shot but "wasn't old enough." They said the "computer wouldn't allow it." Whatever that meant. I'd have to go to my Dr and either get a note or hope she had access to it.
If you get it from your MD. Don't even need any of the conditions. Drs. can prescribe things "off label" if they want. This mainly prevents or discourages the public from going to Walgreens and having the pharmacist give them the Covid vaccine. But who can argue that you're not physically active?
Yes, practitioners can but insurance doesn't need to agree to reimburse you. Be prepared for a fight or paying OOP.
Insurance companies don't have to reimburse, but they probably will. Because unvaccinated patients cost them money.
They don't cover cholesterol screening for Medicare patients. They don't follow reason.
Medicare does cover cholesterol screening.
www.medicare.gov/coverage/car...
Once every 5 years. If you are started on medication for high cholesterol, the patient must pay for any screening to determine medication effectiveness. They also do not cover B12, D3 or any other vitamin levels. Sucks if your a anemic as many elderly are. B12 levels cost about $130.
Not true. If you are put on cholesterol meds Medicare will pay for additional blood tests for maintenance. The doctor needs to know if the medication is working. Screening is for healthy people once every five years.
You weren't talking to someone with knowledge of the rules.
I guess all that time I was on the phone was imagined then. Okay. Ta
Ok, so Medicare covers cholesterol screening. A screening test is a test performed in healthy people before treatment. Medicare also covers B12 levels, when medically necessary. seniorsinfo.org/medicare-ins...
I know all this info but wait until you're the one fighting for them to cover it even when medically necessary. I am tenacious and like a dog with a bone, but many seniors are intimidated by the process as they double talk at each level. It is also ridiculously time consuming.
Once every 5 years.
If you have high cholesterol Medicare will pay for more frequent tests. It's just the initial test that's once every five years if they discover your lips levels are normal. My insurance pays for a full blood screen and urine screen every year.
How would I have proof? I am NOT handing over medical records (which would be difficult to get anyway) to a fucking pharmacist.
Yea, and who is defining these conditions? How do you define “smoker”, what’s the rubric? Does it only count if you smoke(d) a pack a day? And how do you define “physically inactive”? Low daily step count? None of this makes sense. Color me shocked.
And to think I used to worry my history of breast cancer would never come in handy.
No vaccine for MS, ALS, or other motor neuron disease. Better for the country for those folks to die I guessz Fuck Kennedy and his fascist incompetent colleagues!
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So, if a person loses health insurance coverage, how do they affordably prove their underlying conditions? Or is this another Catch-22 to deny vaccination?
You don't have to prove anything. Just claim you used to smoke or that you're physically inactive. Both will get you the shot. No pharmacist can make you prove you used to smoke or that you don't sneak around and go jogging at night.
Yes.
I assume you can just check off a box, and you will get your vaccine. But later, some insurance person will look at your actual medical history and decide if they are paying for it, or you are.
How does one prove physical inactivity? And if I have any of the other things can I just tell the pharmacy or do I have to show actual proof? It’s all so dumb.
We all need to keep getting our vaccines! So we live to fight✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Thanks Dr. Bill Cassidy. You’re a weak belly crawling sycophant. Hope your doc conscious keeps you up at night
How about my 3 year long Covid I got from Mr. Five People From Chyna. Does that qualify me?
How would they check? We could all just say we used to smoke.
"former smoker" sounds useful
I’d start smoking and getting a mood disorder asap. Go to your MD and one month of meds. diagnosed for incipient lung issues due to smoking. Refill the latest forms from their office. You’ve gone to therapy and don’t need meds. And smoking was short lived due to anxiety—which therapy has helped
This probably covers a good chunk of the country between physical inactivity, smoking,etc.
I wonder if a *history* of asthma would work...I am at risk of developing asthma at any time because I had it as a child and grew out of it. Hrrrrm. I can't claim physical inactivity, my doctor's seen my calf muscles ;).
So my child who had cerebral palsy with 50% lung capacity cannot get a vaccine. I hate this man!
I guess he can go under disabilities but - I still hate this man!!
Has - fat fingers. He is still here!!!
Physical Inactivity makes over half of USA eligible. 🙂 But seriously, use a loophole wherever you can find one. I had a steroid shot for allergies back in 2021 when there were restrictions on the vaccine, and it got me through the pharmacy’s paperwork for a shot. My insurance paid for it.
One loophole is to go to your Dr. They can prescribe you vaccine "off-label" or against FDA advice and any good doctor would do that for you if you asked them. And I bet 99% of people in US (anyone not in competitive sports) could claim physical inactivity and not be questioned.
Off label means insurance won’t cover it and last year w/o insurance the covid vaccine was around $300.
And all you do is tell your doctor you used to smoke 30 years ago or that you are physically inactive and they can prescribe it on label if that were truly a concern.
That's not true. Almost every insurance company will pay for vaccines (or other preventative medications) because it's 100 times cheaper to pay for the vaccine than the costs of hospitalization and long term health problems of Covid. I get two diff off label scripts and insurance gladly pays.
Great to hear!
I believe some states have also passed laws requiring insurance to cover vaccines even if not recommended by the federal government assuming there are other physicians associations that recommend them.
Good point. At the time, everyone was focused on what pharmacies had vaxes. Our doctor didn’t have it. Things are different now and docs would be a good source.
It was convenient and free to go to Walgreens to get vaccines for me. A doctor's visit for a shot will likely cost me a co-pay of $20, but not getting Covid again or making Covid less severe is well worth the $20 if I go to the doc. But whoever has it, is where I'll go.
For once I guess I should be glad I have a BMI that qualifies me for something other than high heart risk or pre-diabetes. 🤷🏻♀️
The good news, I have a condition that allows me to get the vaccine. The bad news, I have a condition that let's me get the vaccine.
I have 6 of them (I am including physical inactivity lol) and I agree with your assessment.
Yeah, I was thinking the same. "Yay, I have a chronic disease that's on the list. Oh lucky me. 😑"
ikr? Bad news, my neurological autoimmune disease didn't make the cut. Good news. I'm over 65.
Same
I said the same to my husband. He's not eligible but I guess we'll pay OOP. Sad how much hatred of the American people this administration has.
So happy to have emigrated from the US 29 years ago so I never have to worry about "preexisting conditions." Universal healthcare isn't without its flaws but this nonsense isn't one of them.
Jen, is this posted on a website somewhere? My healthcare friends don’t know anything about this.
Well, with options like mood disorders, inactivity, and obesity, many of us could make a believable claim. 😅
Don’t you love when other people’s evidence-free beliefs begin to impinge on your rights and liberties? 🤡
"Freedom" Pffft.
Sorry Doc, I know you said I shouldn't smoke but I had to start smoking so I could qualify for the Covid shot.
The Covid vaccine saved over 3 million lives in the U.S. alone. Our tax dollars heavily funded its development and distribution. The cost barrier is concerning, but now we have a list of spurious conditions further barring access. It should be free to anyone who wants it! apnews.com/article/vacc...
"smoking, current and former"
Hey good news - if you want a vaccine all you need to do is start smoking and you’ll be qualified as an adult See? Easy
Hey good news - if you want a vaccine all you need to do is start smoking and you’ll be qualified as an adult See? Easy
Imagine many doctors and providers will laugh at this list and give any of their patients a shot that requests one.
Yup.
When did they start actually requiring proof, I thought all the reporting said it hasn't changed yet??
I sent this to education clients since sneezy, coughy classrooms are breeding grounds for disease. I pointed to mood swings, physical inactivity, BMI>30, & smoking as the low bars to use in conversations w/ doctors. Anyone can say they used to smoke. If your doctor doesn't help, you need a new one.
Why not make it available to anyone who wants it? It should be as easily accessible as the yearly flu vaccine.
Because Bobby’s job is to kill as many of us as possible so Trump can build a big beautiful ballroom instead of gas chambers.
They don’t want you to have that, either.
Because RFK Jr is a kooky antivaxxer trying to get cred points from all the other wackos.
The majority of adults in the US have one or more of these pre-existing conditions. The obesity rate alone is more than 40%. Will we be required to show our medical records to the pharmacist to verify we qualify for a Covid vaccine???
I think this might be a way for him to pretend he’s doing what the antivaxxers want while adding enough plausible deniability to say he didn’t change anything once people start dying and fingers start pointing at him. Typical Republican cowardice.
Insurance would rather us get the vaccine than pay for complications, my guess is it may be lenient. We will see!
No. You tell the pharmacist you are a former smoker or that you're physically inactive. They check the box and give you the shot. This is just to discourage people from even trying to go get the shot.
LIE TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS AND DO NOT LEAVE UNTIL YOU RECEIVE THE MEDICAL CARE YOU DESERVE! HEALTH IS A HUMAN RIGHT AND SOME CATCHER MITT FACED GHOUL CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU! DO NOT GIVE IN! RESIST DANGEROUS STUPIDITY! NO ONE IS COMING TO SAVE YOU! WE ARE HEADED FOR A MEDICAL CHERNOBYL!
So far, I can't even find someone who has any COVID vaccine, let alone prove I can have it.
I'm curious how they discovered that there's a high risk of severe covid among pediatric dementia patients.
I’m 67
What bullshit is this?????
In the past things like his have been interpreted as things that pharmacies ask you about on a form and then take your word for. If they want proof of formal diagnosis that would make this a lot worse, but I’ve seen no indication of that.
I’m afraid that volunteering medical information about “underlying conditions” will get us all put on lists of the “unworthy.” This is Nazi shit.
Well we’re all fucking depressed, so there’s that
If snuck one of Dad's cigarettes in third grade your good
How does one show proof of being a former smoker exactly?
If you can afford it, just pay for it. I wouldn’t willingly put myself on a eugenics list with that guy able to access it. Not the way he keeps talking about camps and farms.
Bet they and their families are all getting vaccines. Ugh!
Apparently I do not qualify. I have a rare autoimmune-type liver disease, but it's not on the list. As of this spring, I no longer have asthma. I have a blood vessel malformation in my brain that has caused a stroke and needed two surgeries and stereotactic radiation, but it's not on the list.
Less than two years ago, I had extensive heart surgery because of cancer-treatment damage, months in the hospital, but I no longer have heart failure or any condition listed. That category is open-ended, so we might be able to fudge on that point.
Basically I have several very rare conditions that tend not to make it onto lists like that, even though they put me at very high risk for covid complications.
Worst of all, I'm about to be living in a community of cancer patients in active treatment, as caretaker to an 87 year-old parent.
It is INSANE that I likely don't qualify according to these guidelines. It's even more troubling that my very healthy spouse for sure cannot fudge some of the heart stuff or draw on my 39-year past cancer history like I can, even though it is critical that he not expose me or my parent to the virus.
The guidelines have nothing to do with protecting the vulnerable. They are only there to shut up the any concerns raised by GOP politicians, who want to be saying that everyone who needs it will get it--something that's not even remotely true.
I think sometimes about my parents telling me they actually cried when the measles vaccine came out in time to protect their children. What have we become.
How to Live and Die Like a Midieval Peasant! By RFKJr.
And I'm suuuuure they will keep this documented reason private, safe, and secure! HA!
I was going to start exercising but now won't bc I don't wanna die of Covid.
What happened to the “don’t tread on me” group? The government is now telling that I *can’t* get a vaccine if I want one? How is that any different than the government telling me I have to get a vaccine even if I don’t want one?
guess I have to bring a scale and a measuring tape with me then. no thank god I live in a civilized country
This is taking the right to choose away from us.
Need serious consideration of universal health care avail in more than 70 countries nations globally. Yes. The cost of Private insurance may be affected, but not access to universally provided health care per legislation.