they could block any noncompliant third party relay that this app is using from accessing the PDS instances that the vast majority of users are currently housed at.
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this feels like a nitpick, but whatever
aug 24, 2025, 1:13 pm • 0 0 • view
How is it a nitpick when there is very real leverage that is only not being observed because the corporation that has the power is choosing not to use it? They could even be forced by the courts even if they happen to be so benevolent that wouldn't otherwise.
aug 24, 2025, 1:16 pm • 0 0 • view
So, wouldn't people simply move their PDSs somewhere else? That's the whole point of credible exit, no?
aug 24, 2025, 2:23 pm • 2 0 • view
I think it is far from a foregone conclusion that people would be able to. First hurdle is that right now there is a critical dependency on Bluesky PBC, every identity registered through the official servers is using did:plc. This gives them centralized control over where your identity is located.
aug 24, 2025, 2:54 pm • 1 0 • view
They want to eventually move plc.directory to a group of people rather than being associated with Bluesky PBC also: bsky.app/profile/cwon...
aug 24, 2025, 4:45 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes that was discussed at @ahoy.eu, and afaik Eurosky are considering setting up one alongside the European relay. TL:DR; The network is centralised in practice, but the tech is decentralisable. We need to make it decentralised in practice. Screenshots from experiments.myhub.ai/permanent_ve...
aug 24, 2025, 5:07 pm • 0 0 • view
So, just to be clear, you're saying that I couldn't move my identity to somewhere else? That Bluesky Social PBC owns me?
aug 24, 2025, 4:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Right. You might think you're safe after migrating it to a PDS but in reality the PLC directory says where you can be found and that's only run by the corporation. Of course that's not the only potential issue either, you could also mostly disappear if they just blocked your PDS.
aug 24, 2025, 8:15 pm • 0 0 • view
And yeah, even the same thing they did to those opposition figures from Turkey. There might be one or two experimental third-party clients but that was cold comfort for the people who disappeared from the official apps because of course they could not coordinate a Turkish mass migration to zeppelin.
aug 24, 2025, 8:17 pm • 0 0 • view
What has followed has been a steep decline in usage from Turkey instead of some kind of credible exit from the Turks...
aug 24, 2025, 8:17 pm • 0 0 • view
If this is what you believe to be the case... why are you here?
aug 24, 2025, 8:25 pm • 1 0 • view
Well I'm here but not exclusively here for a few reasons. I think people should be aware of it. Maybe push the corporation to be better instead of pretending this is a federated and decentralised platform... or at the very least have a backup plan. It's also still better than Meta Threads and X.
aug 24, 2025, 9:33 pm • 0 0 • view
- did:web - alternate relays and appviews and clients and moderation thingies yes the official ones are much MUCH more widely used but the ecosystem is still in infancy + blacksky is already paving the way for "normies" to not be beholden to bluesky pbc
aug 24, 2025, 9:44 pm • 2 0 • view
the problem is that if you are interested in not having everything centralized to an insane degree this should have been an actual priority from the start. I don't see great prospects for fixing the imbalance, one of the worst things about BSky is that it does not incentivize decentralization at all
aug 24, 2025, 10:05 pm • 0 0 • view
wdym when u say bsky doesnt incentivise decentralisation and how would you propose they do so?
aug 24, 2025, 10:41 pm • 1 0 • view
You just don't seem to get much besides a bill to pay out of running many of the services and people need to want to do it for the situation to improve. Not sure what the fix is but there's all sorts of factors that can help from making it cheaper to coming up with all kinds of perks...
aug 24, 2025, 11:17 pm • 0 0 • view
also iiuc plc has some cryptography stuff that makes any tampering somewhat obvious? plus plc mirrors exist So
aug 24, 2025, 9:45 pm • 2 0 • view
sure, can monitor for tampering but that only means you'll know if they go rogue... doesn't solve the problem
aug 24, 2025, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view