i almost can’t read this it makes me so angry. delusional grifters with purity fetishes and eugenic worldviews have brought pain, suffering and death to children www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/u...
Replies
imagine watching a small child struggle to breathe because of a measles infection and then going on your radio show to explain that the “human body was designed to fight measles” with the clear implication that if you die your body just wasn’t good enough.
jun 23, 2025, 3:25 am • 4,669 581 • view
These people need to visit old cemeteries and see all the tiny headstones.
jun 23, 2025, 3:29 am • 47 0 • view
I have an old family Bible with births and deaths recorded for most of the 19th century, and the number of deaths that come within five years of the birth is just... staggering.
jun 23, 2025, 4:28 am • 27 0 • view
I write family histories and one death certificate from about 1905 stayed with me: age 3, sick for 2 weeks, then 10 hours of convulsions, then death. Whooping cough. Now there's a vaccine. Who is OK with a 3-year-old kid enduring 10 hours of convulsions before dying?
jun 23, 2025, 6:13 am • 22 1 • view
My parents are buried in a graveyard from the 1700s*. Way too many children under 5, groups of kids all dying at once, sometimes with the parents. Trump's industrial buddies are also getting rid of clean water rules. * So is a college friend who was murdered hitchhiking home from her music lesson.
jun 23, 2025, 11:46 pm • 2 0 • view
Any cemetery old enough has plenty of gravestones like that.
jun 24, 2025, 3:27 am • 3 0 • view
And they’d say those babies dying was god’s will.
jun 23, 2025, 4:22 am • 6 0 • view
This is almost exactly the opposite of reality, because measles (possibly uniquely?) can just nuke your immune system so you're not only not "designed" to fight it, if you get it and live you won't be able to fight anything else either
jun 23, 2025, 4:07 am • 66 0 • view
right? no one is ‘designed’ to fight measles. virii are equipped to invade and conquer and many (but not all!) bodies are equipped to keep that from happening and at any given time we don’t know which one will win
jun 23, 2025, 6:33 am • 16 1 • view
It's all just nature!
jun 23, 2025, 6:58 am • 4 0 • view
People like myself with chronic illness are so tired of this bullshit. If I let my body be in charge instead of modern medicine I would be dead at least 6 times and would never have graduated high school.
jun 23, 2025, 12:10 pm • 131 8 • view
And that doesn’t even consider that most “healthy” people without chronic illness have taken antibiotics for things like strep, ear infections, tonsillitis and other bacterial infections that when left untreated can have serious and even fatal complications.
jun 24, 2025, 2:04 am • 5 2 • view
My beloved niece died at the age of 57 due to complications from childhood diabetes. She was able to live that long due to science and modern medicine.👍🙏
jun 23, 2025, 12:36 pm • 56 3 • view
My sister also died at 57 from complications of type 1 diabetes. I’m still heartbroken, but she would have died in her 20’s if it weren’t for the miracle of insulin.
jun 23, 2025, 1:01 pm • 32 2 • view
Yes. Imagine all the wonderful moments we would have missed if not for science.❤️
jun 23, 2025, 5:00 pm • 6 0 • view
Me too and having chronic illnesses means we have to fight every day to stay alive and people are so flipping about this and I feel like we're expendable because we have problems
jun 23, 2025, 3:36 pm • 1 0 • view
Your body was designed to fight cancer so if your mom does from it she just sucked.
jun 23, 2025, 4:07 am • 2 0 • view
mmmm... it always makes me wonder at the way eugenics is never applied to bacteria and viruses in the sense that "the measles virus was designed to kill you and infect your loved ones"
jun 23, 2025, 9:23 am • 3 0 • view
where i live the naturalistic fallacy is very strong. holistic cures can’t fail, they can only *be* failed. if it didn’t work you didn’t do it right or believe hard enough. admitting they don’t know everything and are wrong is harder for some people to accept than the suffering and deaths of kids.
jun 23, 2025, 4:45 am • 6 0 • view
DEI DANGEROUS EGOTISTICAL IDIOTS.
jun 23, 2025, 4:50 am • 1 0 • view
Humans are part of nature. We don't call bird nests artificial because birds build them, even though you don't see bird nests that aren't built by birds. Why do we call anything humans do unnatural?
jun 23, 2025, 11:45 am • 0 0 • view
It’s horrific
jun 23, 2025, 3:48 am • 6 0 • view
If you die that's God's will and medical care is blasphemy. In Christian Science you can pray to God to save you, or even better you can hire a professional Christian Science Practitioner to pray for you.
jun 23, 2025, 3:51 am • 4 0 • view
the most infectious disease we have with a devastating secondary effect i am opposed to the death penalty except for these people
jun 23, 2025, 3:36 am • 12 1 • view
👊🏻
jun 24, 2025, 3:35 am • 1 0 • view
Until I was a parent, I struggled to understand how a parent could watch a child suffer without feeling anything. Now that I’m a parent, I don’t struggle with it, because there’s nothing about these people I care to understand.
jun 23, 2025, 3:33 am • 145 1 • view
The dark secret of parenting is that no one knows what the hell they're doing, and the people who refuse to accept that they have to figure things out for themselves are extremely easy to grift
jun 23, 2025, 4:22 am • 39 0 • view
Thinking about this because I'm currently listening to the Behind the Bastards episodes about those teen boot camps in the 90s where people paid ponytailed army cosplayers to kidnap their kids and starve them in the Utah desert and kept doing it even after a bunch of kids died
jun 23, 2025, 4:25 am • 34 0 • view
And fucking Dr. Phil afaik continues to endorse this and pretend it's therapeutic rather than sadistic. I know I saw some show of his a few years ago that featured this shit; it wasn't more than ten years ago.
jun 23, 2025, 4:30 am • 19 0 • view
Dr Phil is a huge piece of shit. I can’t stand him.
jun 23, 2025, 10:45 am • 3 0 • view
I'm embarrassed to admit that at one point I liked him. (I hasten to add that that point was 15-20 years ago -- I did catch on eventually.) I will still sometimes hate-watch him.
jun 23, 2025, 8:20 pm • 2 0 • view
Digging the shit out of this thread
jun 24, 2025, 3:33 am • 2 0 • view
Haha😸🫶🏻
jun 24, 2025, 11:45 am • 2 0 • view
My mom depended on Dr Spock's book, not for the "how to raise well-adjusted kids" parts, but for the "does this rash/symptom need a doctor visit, the ER, or an OTC ointment?" parts. Dr's office had an isolation entrance for sick kids who shouldn't use the regular waiting room. Got all our shots.
jun 23, 2025, 11:51 pm • 11 0 • view
Dr. Spock's book is still the best one because he tells parents to trust their instincts and not worry too much. Anyone who says they have all the answers is selling you something.
jun 23, 2025, 11:56 pm • 10 0 • view
this literally triggered a memory of my mother checking 8yo me's rash against the pictures in that book and calling the family doctor the next day (he made a home visit!)—it was Rubella
jun 24, 2025, 12:05 am • 4 0 • view
Yay, dodged Rubella. Got measles, but was only 5 and my books with pictures in them were a bit simpler. Now have shiny new MMR since RFKjr's getting the banned back together.
jun 24, 2025, 12:10 am • 4 0 • view
This was pre-MMR but separate shots existed and I did have them all but didn't grow up in a herd immunity area. Had my MMR in 2017 during a local measles outbreak, yay! You were only 5? That's so sad! Did it leave you any lasting issues?
jun 24, 2025, 12:29 am • 1 0 • view
No way to tell. My hearing's never been great, but that could be just me. I remember Grandma taking care of my younger sister and me, parents getting out of town (don't remember if my younger brother was born yet or not.) The first measles shot wasn't out for a few more years. Got polio vax, etc.
jun 24, 2025, 12:33 am • 3 0 • view
that's so striking you say that, IIRC I had at least one childhood friend who lost hearing in one ear due to measles, and in adulthood I met several fellow GenXers with no hearing in one ear due to childhood measles
jun 24, 2025, 12:37 am • 3 0 • view
100% I used to tell the wellness grifters that I thought they were doing child abuse Now I'm a parent myself and I *know* they are doing child abuse
jun 23, 2025, 4:11 am • 154 13 • view
Not to judge either of yall, but I am a 40 year Not-Parent, and even 20 years ago I knew these kooks were dangerous evil people
jun 23, 2025, 4:31 am • 41 1 • view
Exactly. You don’t need to experience something to know its wrong or bad
jun 23, 2025, 5:58 am • 15 0 • view
I’m older than you, I knew it 50 years ago. They’re so gullible and make themselves easy targets for grifters. Like trump supporters, anti-vax movement pulls in saps and suckers. Every time.
jun 24, 2025, 3:33 am • 1 0 • view
Parents who do feel something are often coached to resist those feelings as a spiritual or moral weakness.
jun 23, 2025, 5:13 am • 7 0 • view
Or you didn’t pray hard enough
jun 23, 2025, 3:28 am • 204 2 • view
Or "It was her time on Earth” and “she’s in a better place now.” Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug
jun 23, 2025, 11:06 am • 14 1 • view
“The body’s designed to kill measles. I would encourage you to seek a higher authority, a spiritual authority, and let peace guide you,” he said. “Don’t be scared of anything,” he said, when the total number of reported measles cases rose above 1,000." They should have been scared of him.
jun 23, 2025, 4:33 am • 105 2 • view
I have an autoimmune disease, at one point it took out my spleen. After, I had to be revaccinated for EVERYTHING because of people like that and the people that believe people like this. I learned again during Covid how little my life is actually worth. I exist in spite of & to spite those fuckers.
jun 23, 2025, 5:05 am • 97 4 • view
Tax Church Thieves Heritageless $29 Trillion withheld over 40 years. Thank Reagan Dixiecrats CCP Voters FROM Out Actual Taxpayers' Federal Deposits/Trust Funds to Our Treasury Vouchers School Choice from Public School State & Counties Taxes CCP Plan2025 Using Public Money 2 Overthrow Democracy?
jun 24, 2025, 3:54 am • 0 0 • view
Welp, this is backward thinking. These people should be put in the way back machine and dropped in the 1400’s where they could get a nice hot batch of the bubonic plague and be dead by the age of 20. Believe RFK Jr. I mean his kids are all vaccinated so he doesn’t give a shit.
jun 23, 2025, 4:47 am • 0 0 • view
He doesn’t care about anyone that gets the measles I would love for him to sit in a room full of infected people and not get healthcare for oh three weeks. Then he can tell the world not to vaccinate. The guy even as an addict had the best health. So he can STFU.
jun 23, 2025, 4:47 am • 0 0 • view
The main way the human body fights measles is with the immune system. That's why we vaccinate. So your immune system knows about measles before you get it.
jun 23, 2025, 3:45 am • 11 1 • view
The north TX doctor, an MD for quite a few years, who suddenly had a divine experience, decided that traditional medicine was bad…he cranked out cod liver oil as the primary treatment for measles - needs to have his license revoked and for the people he treated who unnecessarily suffered - sue him.
jun 23, 2025, 12:54 pm • 14 2 • view
They view all health issues as morality tests. This why they hate vaccines. Oh, if we just give everyone a shot they don’t get sick regardless of their life choices? I guess it isn’t a moral issue. Can’t have that.
jun 23, 2025, 6:54 pm • 5 2 • view
All it took was for the last pre-vaccine generation to have experienced the loss of babies to infectious diseases to pass on. Back when every family grieved the death or disabling of a child, and graveyards had children’s sections. They knew the lifetime of disability suffered by many #vaccinate
jun 23, 2025, 1:45 pm • 19 0 • view
Personally, I think medical technology and scientific advancement are cooler than social Darwinism
jun 23, 2025, 3:50 am • 3 0 • view
i said WTF out loud repeatedly while reading
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 am • 3 0 • view
Depraved.
jun 23, 2025, 3:35 am • 2 0 • view
It was also designed to fend off cold temperatures, but some soft cocks wear clothing. Looking at you Kennedy.
jun 23, 2025, 3:41 am • 3 0 • view
I had a hard time describing my experience reading this. And that as this happened they continued to deny the validity of that livesaving shot. More than anything Trump should be impeached based on this. The deaths of innocent children he has caused based on lies he has shared and continued.
jun 24, 2025, 2:28 am • 0 0 • view
And then become offended when their intelligence is called into question.
jun 23, 2025, 3:31 am • 9 0 • view
Stupid is as stupid does.
jun 24, 2025, 3:31 am • 0 0 • view
It's eugenics, but a really dumb version of eugenics where they're not even trying to select anything specific.
jun 23, 2025, 9:47 am • 117 4 • view
I could be wrong but isn’t measles one of the diseases non-afroeurasians are *way* more susceptible to dying from?
jun 23, 2025, 1:42 pm • 0 0 • view
Soft eugenics. Let disease spread and let God sort out the bad ones. Survival of the fittest because they assume that they are the fittest & will survive because that is God’s plan.
jun 23, 2025, 11:35 am • 37 0 • view
Obviously, those ones were insufficiently pure for whatever reason
jun 23, 2025, 10:37 pm • 2 0 • view
and they will continue to believe that right up to the moment their heart gives out from their ninth COVID infection, and then their spouse will also continue to believe that and will be coughing without a mask at the wake
jun 23, 2025, 9:34 pm • 1 0 • view
Indeed
jun 23, 2025, 9:50 pm • 1 0 • view
Except those whose parents did not vaccinate likely ended up with a stupid gene to start with. So already weak. And if they survive measles will have brain damage and an even lower IQ than their stupid parents. Unvaccinated kids should not be allowed in school it’s a risk to others.
jun 23, 2025, 12:00 pm • 10 0 • view
I always want to ask people if those who are weaker deserve to die? But, I can’t. It was the same during Covid.
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 am • 3 0 • view
The human body was also designed to fight wounds from a bear attack, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to avoid getting attacked by a bear.
jun 23, 2025, 12:24 pm • 14 0 • view
I had a breakthrough case of measles when I was 16. Hard to convey how awful it was. For example, those dots itch. Excruciatingly. All night long. We know what causes measles. We have a method that is hundreds of years old that mostly prevents the disease. Anti-vaxers deserve to be beaten up.
jun 23, 2025, 4:13 am • 20 0 • view
Could it be considered neglectful to not vaccinate your children?
jun 23, 2025, 4:56 am • 4 0 • view
Hmmm, I like the question. I'm inclined that way. Seems like it should be a public debate.
jun 23, 2025, 5:02 am • 3 0 • view
I would love to sell the antivaxxer real estate in like say the Antarctic. I mean I could make up a slick brochure with glossy fake photos and make the plots affordable and a great place to raise children. I would hire some enthusiastic staff,& every person who sells a home
jun 23, 2025, 5:22 am • 3 0 • view
could keep the down payment. I’m not greedy. I mean if these people are ignorant enough to not get their most loved people in the world vaccinated, it shouldn’t be that difficult to get them to give their money up for “prime real estate “ in the Antarctic. Just spitballing here.
jun 23, 2025, 5:22 am • 2 0 • view
Don’t get all trumpy now
jun 24, 2025, 3:40 am • 0 0 • view
Believe me, I could never align myself with Two week Taco Man.
jun 24, 2025, 3:54 am • 1 0 • view
Yep, they've gone 𝘴𝘰 far down the rabbit hole of denial that their whole philosophy has been whittled down to just four words... Only the strong survive! 😒
jun 23, 2025, 3:46 am • 5 1 • view
It's modern eugenics with a dash of flimflammery.
jun 23, 2025, 6:13 am • 7 0 • view
Agreed.
jun 23, 2025, 6:56 am • 1 0 • view
The brain of homo sapiens sapiens was designed to think. Yet here we are with the so-called "conservatives" taking us back to the good old days of homo erectus.
jun 23, 2025, 5:06 am • 5 0 • view
Meaning no offense please, keep your erectus. We have enough on our hands with this #IgnoranusFotusCockalorum! The last thing we need right now is for some swinging d*ck to come around further adding to the already pandemic levels of LPS (little penis syndrome).
jun 23, 2025, 7:25 am • 1 1 • view
🤣
jun 23, 2025, 8:37 am • 1 0 • view
Sorry that should be "has a design that makes thinking possible" but that sounds rather clumsy.
jun 23, 2025, 6:08 am • 2 0 • view
The human body evolved to do a lot of things, including fighting other human beings, or running away. So I guess this asshole saw a chainsaw-wielding maniac charging toward his kid, he'd just be like "you got this, kid, you'll be fine"
jun 23, 2025, 4:09 am • 6 0 • view
Throw the kid into the chainsaw, it's what his body is designed for
jun 23, 2025, 4:34 am • 9 1 • view
Probably already sells a supplement that helps against chainsaw maniacs.
jun 23, 2025, 4:56 am • 5 0 • view
my company sells child-sized chainsaws that uses smaller, replaceable razorblades so children can develop a natural resistance
jun 23, 2025, 4:59 am • 4 0 • view
Over 1300 active cases now. They all can thank Kennedy for that. He must be so proud.
jun 23, 2025, 4:55 am • 3 0 • view
That article was infuriating. The dying children utterly failed by people who should know better broke my heart. Would it breach journalistic ethics to have asked the antivaxer parents whose 4 kids ended up in the hospital if they regretted not getting them vaccinated?
jun 23, 2025, 3:38 am • 15 0 • view
I was infuriated that the article gave some credence to that quack doctor and RFK jr’s “cures”. I’m all for improving health. By all means, strengthen your immune system. But ignoring science and not vaccinating your kids is child abuse. And promoting fake cures should be illegal.
jun 23, 2025, 6:07 am • 9 0 • view
They have to show all sides, donchaknow
jun 24, 2025, 3:36 am • 0 0 • view
Major fail on that point
jun 24, 2025, 3:36 am • 0 0 • view
Evolved maybe. But being built to fight doesn’t mean you’re going to win. Better to increase your chances by adding some scientific armor.
jun 23, 2025, 1:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Reading your posts here causes me to wonder what these purity parents *really* think after the worst happens.
jun 23, 2025, 5:13 pm • 0 0 • view
And the “I feel like I’ve been lied to” said by the chiropractor/fake MD isn’t about him reconsidering vaccines, it’s about measles making him sick. After reading this, there was nothing in this article suggesting that he reversed his anti-vax commitment.
jun 23, 2025, 3:39 pm • 3 0 • view
What gets me is that vaccination is convenient and usually without bad side effects. You might be tired for a day or two, and your arm might be sore, but so what. If you’re whining about your sore arm, imagine the whining when you’re hospitalized.
jun 23, 2025, 12:25 pm • 11 0 • view
Reminder. COVID has an infectiousness rate of R3.3, meaning each patient is likely to infect 3.3 others. Measles is R18.
jun 23, 2025, 1:21 pm • 10 0 • view
This is just the secular version of snake handling.
jun 23, 2025, 12:31 pm • 3 1 • view
We don't call this man a eugenist enough
jun 23, 2025, 7:49 am • 1 0 • view
Back to the medieval concept that all disease and misfortune is God's punishment, meaning that the prosperity gospel stops being eye-of-the-needle offense and becomes the expected word of God. You're sick because you're bad, etc... We should be taxing these idiots.
jun 23, 2025, 3:47 pm • 14 1 • view
Trumpists read the Grok "analysis" of the Cliff's Notes of Dickens novels and think the bad guys sound pretty cool.
jun 23, 2025, 4:02 am • 2 0 • view
Wait, what? Trumpists read?
jun 23, 2025, 5:12 am • 1 0 • view
You know, I know disinformation is everywhere, and people are not always that smart, but the irresponsibility of these parents still pisses me off. The data is easy to find, and your child’s life depends on you caring enough to figure it out.
jun 23, 2025, 4:04 am • 2 0 • view
I honestly think parents like that should be charged with murder.
jun 23, 2025, 2:19 pm • 2 0 • view
I don't have to imagine this. We've been told the exact same thing about COVID for five years, even while millions died across the world and the number of long covid-disabled continues to increase. Meanwhile, vaccines are ancient and increasingly unavailable and nobody will wear a mask.
jun 23, 2025, 2:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Cod liver oil my ass. This makes me furious
jun 23, 2025, 4:00 am • 5 0 • view
So angry. When I was very young I saw a TV show where the parents of an injured child wouldn’t allow treatment for religious reasons. I was horrified and it infuriates me
jun 23, 2025, 3:58 am • 7 0 • view
That was also an episode of Babylon 5, "Believers."
jun 23, 2025, 4:01 am • 2 0 • view
Oh, it was The Defenders in the early 1960s. I’m still mad more than 60 years later. I was probably too young to see it, but it made a strong impression.
jun 23, 2025, 4:11 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah, the anti-vaxx types—both left and right—are really just closet eugenicists.
jun 23, 2025, 3:35 am • 26 0 • view
Darwinism on display
jun 24, 2025, 3:35 am • 0 0 • view
The antivaxers and their symps make me livid. I remember losing friends over MMR hesitancy when my kid was young over a decade ago, and I’m glad I kicked them out of my life so their kids wouldn’t infect mine
jun 23, 2025, 3:31 am • 37 0 • view
Smart choice
jun 24, 2025, 3:28 am • 0 0 • view
The whole premise of science is that a hypothesis is tested. The focus is on "falsifiability" - showing that a theory is false and can be discarded. So, we know the MMR vaccine is effective and safe. A small proportion of idiotic quacks who look at the clear evidence and deny it (cont)
jun 23, 2025, 4:20 am • 2 0 • view
always exist, but they are a clear minority and the general consensus is solidly against the quackery. Why? Because scientific testing confirms it is a lie. So, the standard of care among competent professionals is for vaccination against measles.
jun 23, 2025, 4:20 am • 1 0 • view
Malpractice in law is defined as someone deviating from the accepted standard in the profession in which you practice. Each quack in question should be sued for malpractice. And, each suit where a person died should be a wrongful death suit.
jun 23, 2025, 4:20 am • 4 0 • view
I'm not thrilled to live in a world where I think, "all of this science and these riches are an avenue to reduce/prevent suffering for humanity" and find out that I'm not in the majority for believing this.
jun 23, 2025, 3:33 am • 16 0 • view
Agree there are needs for drugs and vaccines for a safer World. Horror in distribution channels of Big Pharma & Corp Farmers has added too many layers with too many $USD kickbacks for medical industries non-producers. Church & State has scattered self-healer power with Indoctrination Dogma(nure).
jun 24, 2025, 2:47 am • 0 0 • view
IMAGINE WHEN IT WAS YOUR OWN CHILD?!?!?!?!?!
jun 23, 2025, 3:56 am • 0 0 • view
there was a terrible measles outbreak (almost 500 kids) in a fundamentalist community in British Columbia about 10 years ago. no deaths, thank goodness, but several lifelong disabilities, including hearing loss, resulting from encephalitis. it's so cruel.
jun 23, 2025, 4:32 am • 2 0 • view
Did the community learn anything after that? Or are they still not vaccinating. ?
jun 23, 2025, 4:51 am • 0 0 • view
you know, I don't know. They were in a rural area, very tight-knit, and not majority English-speaking (Dutch reform). But many of those kids are adults now, and some will have deconstructed.
jun 23, 2025, 4:53 am • 1 0 • view
there was a public health outreach worker at the time who had been raised as part of the community and was working really hard to liaise with them. I would be interested to know how things went during covid, because in-person gatherings are a huge thing in that kind of community.
jun 23, 2025, 4:55 am • 3 0 • view
It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't learn anything. Those communities tend to be pretty insular.
jun 23, 2025, 11:46 am • 0 0 • view
Then there will be the suffering to families when @FEMA is dismantled. #MAGA cult of socioecopath don’t care about people or the env or the criminals committing ecocide. @stopecocide.bsky.social
jun 23, 2025, 3:41 am • 1 0 • view
Or worse, watching a child suddenly die from meningitis caused by measles, which happens sometimes
jun 23, 2025, 4:20 am • 2 0 • view
Wanna know something else fucked-up about measles? It can affect your immune system, erasing immunities you'd previously developed. A lot of (healthy) people can survive measles, but it CAN leave you worse off than before in many ways. Get vaxed.
jun 23, 2025, 3:47 am • 44 4 • view
And then there’s the SSPE time bomb it leaves in 1 in 5000 people (and potentially as many as 1 in 610 unvaccinated infants).
jun 23, 2025, 4:06 am • 18 1 • view
Ouch. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacut...
jun 23, 2025, 4:51 am • 5 0 • view
A very special place in Hell
jun 23, 2025, 3:27 pm • 1 0 • view
The goal is to deligitmize scientific healthcare as a whole so A. voters stop demanding the government provide any and B. so the snake oil industry can rake in the profits
jun 23, 2025, 6:12 am • 21 0 • view
I do not understand how Eli Saslow can write with the urgency and reverence of a medical drama about parents racing to do absolutely everything to save their children other than vaccination, while showing no remorse for harming their children nor the others who will be infected down the line. Awful.
jun 23, 2025, 4:20 pm • 3 0 • view
disease is a fact of natural life on this planet and even a healthy person with a badass immune system that would be played by Predator-era Arnie in a movie about its life can just have a bad fucking break with a viral load and fucking die. it's not a morality tale, it's just life.
jun 23, 2025, 11:33 am • 7 0 • view
The morality tale is about people with influence and power persuading people with far less power to act against their own interests. Today it is the policy of our federal government to lie to people about the effectiveness of vaccines in reducimg the likelihood of disease, pain and sometimes death.
jun 23, 2025, 12:03 pm • 11 0 • view
You forget or willfully ignore the fact that many diseases have evolved to kill. So don’t post such ignorant pap when we have developed the means to get out of this cycle
jun 23, 2025, 12:27 pm • 0 0 • view
i'm hating on RFK's eugenics nonsense. being sick isn't a judgment on the sick person, it's just something that naturally happens to everyone sometimes because, as you said, these fuckers evolved along with us and are good at being diseases. if they weren't they'd be extinct.
jun 23, 2025, 12:31 pm • 5 0 • view
Apologies for my rude tone 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻. This is a nice place here.
jun 23, 2025, 2:50 pm • 1 0 • view
this is *eugenics* even according to them.
jun 23, 2025, 4:06 am • 3 0 • view
That will be the time you wouldn’t care about the welfare or safety of the vaccine deniers and have murderous inclinations towards them.
jun 23, 2025, 4:33 am • 1 0 • view
It makes me indescribably angry. It's one thing when it comes to people who are just misinformed and do want to do what's best but fell for the fear mongering over the actual science. It's another thing when it comes to those using it as a power grab and drift. Our kids deserve better.
jun 23, 2025, 5:55 am • 102 6 • view
Smh
jun 23, 2025, 8:38 am • 0 0 • view
It's the logical endpoint for people who idolize hypermasculinity: the idea that you can build yourself up into the "perfect" man (always a man), an impenetrable fortress of muscle and strength. And that anyone unable or unwilling to buy into their image of healthy is simply too weak to survive.
jun 23, 2025, 4:10 am • 18 1 • view
Yup. I’m surprised I was able to read this article through to the end.
jun 23, 2025, 12:35 pm • 1 0 • view
Has any outlet done an in-depth investigation of the grift? How much money did he make from the antivax propaganda that he was spreading while he watched his kids and others suffer?
jun 23, 2025, 8:48 am • 0 0 • view
I might have to go outside and scream.
jun 24, 2025, 3:27 am • 1 0 • view
That sounds so much like it was rooted in a Calvinistic Presbyterian view… they believed anything bad that befell you was due to you not being a good enough xtian.
jun 23, 2025, 7:57 pm • 4 0 • view
It's called the Just World Fallacy and it's one of the foundational ideologies of American conservativism. Good things only happen to good people. Bad things only happen to Bad People. So if something bad happens to you, it's because you're a Bad Person and therefore you deserved it.
jun 23, 2025, 8:31 pm • 10 0 • view
It's why they get so mad when you call them racist, because racists are Bad People, and they're not a Bad Person. How dare you accuse them of being a Bad Person. They're a Good Christian.
jun 23, 2025, 8:34 pm • 3 0 • view
“the human body was designed to fight measles” — not yet it wasn’t, but the these idiots are literally doing their best to evolve us there by killing people
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 am • 1 0 • view
Measles and other diseases were killing us for millennia before vaccines. Not once did humans develop immunity to them.
jun 23, 2025, 10:17 am • 6 0 • view
Yes, non-idiots can see that
jun 23, 2025, 1:11 pm • 0 0 • view
If that's the case... The human body was designed to fight limp dick, ban all viagra. The human body was designed to fight vision problems, ban all glasses, surgeries, & contacts. The human body was designed to walk everywhere. Ban all forms of transportation. 🤦♀️
jun 23, 2025, 6:31 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s backwards. Measles evolved to fight the human body. That’s why after a measles infection it can wipe out existing immunity
jun 23, 2025, 3:31 am • 83 3 • view
Perfectly put
jun 23, 2025, 4:54 am • 4 0 • view
Let the weak ones die. Not the best disease prevention strategy.
jun 23, 2025, 3:40 am • 0 0 • view
My body is “designed” to see well. But I still wear glasses because the design often sucks!
jun 23, 2025, 4:51 pm • 55 0 • view
I wear glasses because of measles.😢
jun 23, 2025, 6:26 pm • 5 0 • view
Also, FUCK Dr Edwards who, “continu[ed] to see patients even as he suffered a mild breakthrough infection and developed a rash himself.” Measles is one of the world’s most infectious disease - if you’re in a room with 10 unprotected ppl, it will infect 9.
jun 23, 2025, 4:55 pm • 49 3 • view
They've been doing it about kids and Covid since 2020.
jun 23, 2025, 6:35 am • 8 0 • view
Moreover if you live, statistically the most likely outcome, it’s proof that you’re ubermensch material.
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 am • 3 0 • view
I'm legit sympathetic to the idea we shouldn't use pharmaceuticals to do things we can do for ourselves, but... a vaccine just works by prompting your body to practice doing the thing under safe circumstances! It's not doing the work for you. It's studying for the test, not cheating on the test.
jun 23, 2025, 10:45 am • 22 1 • view
I never understood why so many sports figures were against vaccines. "Hey, would you like to see the other team's playbook before the game?" Seems like a really easy sell!
jun 23, 2025, 11:41 am • 15 0 • view
Because they don’t understand their great success is mostly due to good luck. Good luck at not being born in a war zone, or in desperate poverty. At being born somewhere the opportunity to be supported while developing their talents exists. They think THEY have controlled everything.
jun 23, 2025, 1:51 pm • 2 0 • view
These people are eugenicists. They need people to die to prove their theories. If we all get the same outcome by cheating with vaccines, they cannot sort us appropriately
jun 23, 2025, 4:00 am • 6 0 • view
I was literally reading aloud from this to my husband yesterday in an outraged tone. I could almost not finish it. “The body is designed to deal with measles”…this charlatan needs to be in jail.
jun 23, 2025, 9:26 am • 50 2 • view
Agree. Bodies are also designed to die at at some point. So what on earth do people think they’re saying? It’s idiotic to think that because some people live through something, we should subject everyone to that thing.
jun 23, 2025, 12:28 pm • 11 0 • view
How cute that you think logic, facts, science, and critical thinking enter into the picture anywhere these days. (I keep making that mistake myself….) 😵💫
jun 23, 2025, 3:31 pm • 6 0 • view
I know! I keep forgetting this is Orwell Land.
jun 23, 2025, 4:32 pm • 5 0 • view
1984+Brave New World+The Handmaid’s Tale=No longer dystopian fiction. Who knew we were reading accurate future reality predictions.?
jun 24, 2025, 9:06 am • 2 0 • view
Don’t forget Fahrenheit 451!
jun 24, 2025, 11:16 am • 3 0 • view
Yes! If this were not staggeringly depressing, it would be a fun game!
jun 24, 2025, 7:08 pm • 2 0 • view
My god it is Eugenics
jun 23, 2025, 11:22 am • 5 0 • view
Same.
jun 23, 2025, 12:53 pm • 1 0 • view
Gift article: www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/u...
jun 23, 2025, 4:25 pm • 4 1 • view
Thank you!
jun 23, 2025, 7:22 pm • 2 0 • view
Reality doesn't give a fuck what you believe...
jun 23, 2025, 11:00 am • 2 0 • view
The real virus killing people in these parts of America is a lack of education and online propaganda spread on mainstream sites like Facebook and X. "Their parents were afraid to take them to the hospital, where their daughter had died [of measles] a few days earlier in the intensive care unit."
jun 23, 2025, 4:41 am • 8 0 • view
And now their rural hospital is likely to close… bsky.app/profile/kwai...
jun 23, 2025, 3:43 am • 16 3 • view
I’m with you. Our health care amplifies our economic inequality, and intentional breakdown of our public health programs will accelerate it- if RFK were alive he’d be embarrassed by his son.
jun 23, 2025, 10:17 am • 0 0 • view
The title editor failed so badly here. They weren't lied to, they ignored well-founded science; the hospital didn't kill a child, they decided not to vaccinate. No, this wasn't worse than the textbooks. The failure of the societal contract enabled by willful ignorance is the story.
jun 23, 2025, 11:44 am • 124 8 • view
The quote does reference the chiropractor's belief in the banality in measles reinforced by holitistic medicine advocates. In the context of the quote, he means that he decides not to vaccinate his kids because he'd been given an incorrect impression of how bad measles was.
jun 23, 2025, 12:44 pm • 16 0 • view
I dislike the article for giving far too much face time to vaccine skeptic promoters and not making clear a change in opinion or philosophy, though I'll grant that the midst of an outbreak is not the time to redouble commitment to 97%+ vaccination efforts.
jun 23, 2025, 12:46 pm • 21 0 • view
Why isn't an epidemic the best time to go strong for vaccination rates?
jun 23, 2025, 2:04 pm • 10 0 • view
If you don't have it yet, please do, if you think you've just been exposed and can get at least one dose of a vaccine within a week, it may still be worthwhile to do so. But for the symptomatic, 1. In classic cases, you will already have acquired immunity, 2. Measles can inflict immune amnesia
jun 23, 2025, 5:17 pm • 5 0 • view
If immune amnesia has happened, then you will likely be susceptible again to illnesses you previously had immunity, raising the question of whether vaccination is still effective for someone experiencing this, as measles can kill adaptive immune cells.
jun 23, 2025, 5:21 pm • 5 0 • view
That's really the best reason for why one should be vaccinated, as viruses are not a joke. Many viruses are still thoroughly fatal, and ones that aren't can cause permanent severe damage, reducing quality of life and post-infection survivability.
jun 23, 2025, 5:22 pm • 8 0 • view
I get vaccinated for everything about every 15 minutes. It's like i have a porcupine for a pet, although thankfully the needles don't catch. But still, my question: is there something about an epidemic that makes it a not-so-good time for vaccinations?
jun 23, 2025, 6:38 pm • 0 0 • view
Listen to all of these stupid conspiracy theorists spew their BS instead of the actual science
jun 23, 2025, 3:38 pm • 1 0 • view
They chose the lies because they "felt good." Feelings are traitorous bastards.
jun 23, 2025, 1:33 pm • 0 0 • view
I think it’s a great title because of the ambiguity between taking your knowledge from an old sit-com and taking your knowledge from grifters. The subject is confused, the reader is as confused as they want to be. The “show don’t tell” argument, pretending to suspend judgment in advance of details.
jun 23, 2025, 12:50 pm • 1 0 • view
it's closer to an opinion piece with the typical NYT buried lede; not "compelling storytelling" or whatever their crap motto is these days
jun 23, 2025, 1:15 pm • 2 0 • view
In the 60’s a lot of us had measles & it wasn’t as horrible as the article describes. It wasn’t a picnic, but this is almost a different disease than what we chatted about in 4th grade
jun 23, 2025, 5:29 am • 1 0 • view
Key info: Strength is a reductive term. All biological processes operate as a set of locks and keys - viruses enter your cells by having a key that seems to fit one of your locks. Ergo, immune cells learn what locks and keys viruses have and create compatible keys/locks for them to stop infection.
jun 23, 2025, 12:58 pm • 2 1 • view
By vaccinating, you tell your body what those keys/locks look like without risking an actual infection. Some viruses change often, like flu and COVID, while others either do but are virtually eliminated, or don't update particularly quickly. If we don't vaccinate at all, we risk virus changes.
jun 23, 2025, 1:00 pm • 1 1 • view
I don't know what this means for the future of measles, given our reaction to COVID and the ease of international travel, I am currently under the impression that we may soon have a global measles pandemic on our hands, as measles is a RNA virus and therefore more prone to mutation.
jun 23, 2025, 1:04 pm • 2 1 • view
When we were growing up we were terrified of measles because Mary in the TV series Little House on the Prarie had been made blind by it. There needs to be more embedding of the true consequences of these childhood diseases into popular TV culture and entertainment. It’s the only way forward.
jun 23, 2025, 6:46 am • 58 4 • view
My aunt, while pregnant, came down with the German measles. The result~a severely handicapped child. As kids we all knew this could happen.
jun 23, 2025, 6:59 am • 38 0 • view
A schoolfriend’s unborn sister died this way. Interestingly I’ve been vaccinated four times against rubella but can’t become immune. I relied on others for that.
jun 23, 2025, 1:24 pm • 1 0 • view
Except that now they’ll complain the show and network are selling an agenda, are part of the conspiracy.
jun 23, 2025, 10:31 am • 0 0 • view
Rerun LHotP 😉
jun 23, 2025, 1:22 pm • 0 0 • view
They’ll call it woke propaganda.
jun 23, 2025, 2:36 pm • 0 0 • view
But nostalgia and all that praying and one room school stuff!
jun 23, 2025, 6:41 pm • 0 0 • view
You were lied to
jun 23, 2025, 7:41 am • 1 0 • view
I actually can't read it
jun 23, 2025, 4:45 am • 2 0 • view
With zero regret or introspection
jun 23, 2025, 4:17 am • 1 0 • view
@jamelle Behind a paywall. So I *can’t* read it.
jun 23, 2025, 2:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Awww, you can’t read content you clearly value?! Pay for it. Easy peasy. It’s $4 a month.
jun 23, 2025, 3:06 pm • 0 0 • view
But everything that’s happening now is all about greed, right? /s www.history.com/topics/early...
jun 23, 2025, 10:50 am • 0 1 • view
I don't understand it. Did they not have parents or grandparents tell them of the horrors of childhood disease? My mom thought people were insane for having those get sick parties. I got Chicken Pox because no vaccine. Then I got Shingles because of that. Not fun. Who wants a kid to get polio, too?
jun 23, 2025, 5:18 am • 12 1 • view
Acknowledge their pain and suffering. Then ask them if they want fries with that. Sorry. Covid proved that we can’t stop the stupid from destroying themselves. Natural selection is making a comeback because of their idiocy and that’s probably not a bad thing for humanity.
jun 23, 2025, 3:45 am • 2 0 • view
The trouble is that vaccines don’t give 100% immunity and there is a small percentage of people with valid medical reasons not to be vaccinated. Herd immunity could protect those, but that would require more people getting the shots.
jun 23, 2025, 4:58 am • 3 0 • view
I wasn’t thinking of vaccines as much as I was thinking about the huge number of people unwilling to protect vulnerable people from COVID. They’re the rabid dogs I’m talking about.
jun 23, 2025, 10:00 pm • 1 0 • view
We've been lied to.
jun 23, 2025, 9:50 am • 1 0 • view
Read this earlier today.As soon as I read the fourth word of the story I was rolling my eyes and the rest made my blood boil. Parents not giving their children the tools to have the best chance of survival are vile.
jun 23, 2025, 6:41 am • 28 1 • view
it's only magats .. and it's a good way to stop the cycle of children turning into adult magats .. you all gotta die sometime, right?
jun 23, 2025, 5:51 am • 2 0 • view
It’s just child abuse. Plain and simple. CPS is called out to remove children from situations less severe than this so why the double standard.? Helpless children infected with measles sounds like a sick adult-controlled lab experiment to me.
jun 23, 2025, 5:58 am • 3 0 • view
In addition to just the horror of incredibly sick children, this also puts incredible stress on an already stressed health care system.
jun 23, 2025, 3:38 am • 16 0 • view
These people would not be successful if we had working journalism and educational systems
jun 23, 2025, 3:40 pm • 3 0 • view
And the willfully ignorant choose to believe the nonsense.
jun 23, 2025, 1:04 pm • 0 0 • view
It's absolutely a fucking editorial choice that two of the three protagonists, dominating the first 2/3 of the article, are monsters, local quack grifters who've spent dozens of years recommending against medicine while selling "supplements". They're presented as sympathetic and even "celebrated".
jun 23, 2025, 4:17 am • 148 8 • view
One of them responded to the outbreak by importing a literal ton of cod liver oil and arranging for the community to infect as many of each other as possible, without for a moment reconsidering his anti-vaccine propagandizing. That's the guy who is described as "celebrated", paragraphs earlier.
jun 23, 2025, 4:19 am • 123 9 • view
I never got the sense that he and his wife reconsidered, even after their 4 children became seriously ill. This was a borderline pro anti-vax story.
jun 23, 2025, 12:12 pm • 0 0 • view
I wonder how much cod liver oil he could drink in one sitting
jun 23, 2025, 4:29 am • 2 0 • view
I, for one, wouldn't mind finding out.
jun 23, 2025, 5:32 am • 2 0 • view
Remember this?
jun 23, 2025, 2:19 pm • 4 0 • view
And will these idiots take the responsibility for mothers who contract German Measles during pregnancy which results in babies being born with deformities, blindness, deafness, etc., etc…
jun 23, 2025, 4:37 am • 55 3 • view
“Take responsibility”…? Lolololol!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
jun 23, 2025, 3:12 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm not surprised. Fancy Fox is not my paper any longer. Their soft approach to the resistance to maga is disappointing at best.
jun 23, 2025, 7:05 am • 0 0 • view
Everything is making me angry, Jamelle. I just read an article that they snatched a mother off the street and left her 6 year old daughter. Just left her!!! Any pedo could just take her. I'm freaking out. Then I read the article and they are leaving kids alone everywhere. What the hell is going on?
jun 23, 2025, 11:19 am • 41 2 • view
Don't forget their pets or disabled people at home.
jun 23, 2025, 11:53 am • 29 0 • view
Did you read the story how in these private prisons they get one case of water a day for a room full of people? Or that they are feeding 👶 formula made with tap water, not giving medical care to kids and adults, kids are having panic attacks and acting out because of the trauma of being abducted.
jun 23, 2025, 11:30 am • 4 0 • view
Much research recently on how trauma in children will change their brain development for life! Even relatively mild trauma - like young children in families that were evacuated fm the 🇦🇺 wildfires - changed the brain development. ICE is giving these kids trauma that will do permanent harm!
jun 23, 2025, 2:02 pm • 1 0 • view
Some articles: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...
jun 23, 2025, 2:03 pm • 1 0 • view
ispfostering.org.uk/childhood-tr...
jun 23, 2025, 2:04 pm • 2 0 • view
Thank you for these. Just heartbreaking. And of course there is a lack of help. 😞
jun 26, 2025, 1:15 pm • 2 0 • view
📌
jun 23, 2025, 11:10 am • 0 0 • view
Coming attractions. Every vaccine that has curbed illnesses, every treatment that helps the sick and infirm, every bit of research that will help others in the future. All coming to an end because of the foolish distrust of science and medicine
jun 23, 2025, 3:43 am • 9 2 • view
There was just some former MTV personality who went with natural cures for her cancer. Cancer don’t care.
jun 23, 2025, 4:25 am • 4 0 • view
Ananda Lewis.
jun 25, 2025, 2:36 am • 2 0 • view
Agree
jun 23, 2025, 8:57 pm • 1 0 • view
I suffered through measles, rubella, chicken pox and scarlet fever as a child. My son (now 30) has been sick perhaps 3 or 4 days in his life. I will never, EVER understand anti-vaxxers.
jun 23, 2025, 10:53 am • 9 2 • view
Maybe the anti-intellectual movement in the US was a big mistake.
jun 23, 2025, 2:39 pm • 6 1 • view
Hard to read about children suffering at the hands of ignorant parents. We’re digressing into dark ages, manipulated by greedy, power-hungry politicians and corporations. Changing history, denying facts, science. Attacking academia. Ignoring medicine. This is how society collapses. Countries fall.
jun 23, 2025, 5:35 am • 8 1 • view
This is straight up fucking attempted murder through hubris and ignorance.
jun 23, 2025, 11:25 am • 4 0 • view
Children.
jun 23, 2025, 3:46 pm • 1 0 • view
Stupid is as stupid does. The cult of ignorance and stupidity has no bottom. RFK Junior has a literal 12th grade science education you can look that up. Naturally, he’s in charge of all medicine and science in America now.
jun 23, 2025, 7:06 pm • 6 0 • view
As an RN working in PICU in the late 70s & early 80s, I saw kids hospitalized with measles, whooping cough & chicken pox, some of whom died! And Stupid Bobby was already at work then, making people think vaccines caused autism. He should be in prison, not government!
jun 23, 2025, 8:25 pm • 21 0 • view
There have always been a handful of vax skeptics. But it was not until Trump decided that undermining the medical establishment was the easiest way to redirect anger from him that it really took off.
jun 23, 2025, 10:59 am • 1 1 • view
So many times over the years, I have met with families whose kids are sick (sometimes fatal, sadly) from vaccine preventable illness. They are always shocked. What can I say?That’s why we vaccinate. Unfair to the kids (who have no choice) – and unfair to those of us that have to deal with this crap.
jun 23, 2025, 12:59 pm • 5 0 • view
EUGENICS. Correct.
jun 23, 2025, 11:10 am • 20 0 • view
Totally agree. But the people doing this assume that the u& their kids are the fittest. Time for a reality check. Childhood infections don’t care who your Daddy is. Even Queen Victoria lost children to infectious disease and she had the best medicine & care available plus decades of good nutrition
jun 23, 2025, 12:08 pm • 2 0 • view
💔💔💔💔
jun 23, 2025, 12:10 pm • 1 0 • view
And, as usual, our side is utterly silent as our people get sicker and our society more busted. We should have prosecuted every last grifter who opposed vaccines and promoted nonsense remedies during COVID, but instead we decided freedom and moving on were more important. This is on Biden.
jun 23, 2025, 11:15 am • 20 0 • view
👏👏👏👏👏
jun 23, 2025, 11:17 am • 1 0 • view
Whew! Quick check to make sure I don’t follow you. Biden should have done everything apparently.🙄
jun 23, 2025, 12:07 pm • 4 0 • view
Whew! Good luck to you!
jun 23, 2025, 12:13 pm • 0 0 • view
Biden had some…roadblocks in front of anything his administration proposed. The MAGAmericans demanded misery- for everyone else- and now seem to be getting that same misery, too.
jun 23, 2025, 1:23 pm • 5 0 • view
Um...who was President in 2020?
jun 23, 2025, 12:15 pm • 3 0 • view
I am talking about once Biden took office, investigating and punishing the failures of Covid. But that was obvious, except for the “Biden could do now wrong, everyone betrayed him, you didn’t vote hard enough” brigade.
jun 23, 2025, 11:23 pm • 1 0 • view
America had the worst covid response of any developed country, the Trump kids wanted to ignore it because they thought it would hurt mostly blue states, and ALL OF THAT should have been investigated once Biden took office.
jun 23, 2025, 11:24 pm • 1 0 • view
jun 23, 2025, 2:16 pm • 2 1 • view
That was a tough read. See where are all this both-sidesing got us.
jun 23, 2025, 4:26 pm • 1 0 • view
The chiropractor at the beginning is pissing me off. "The doctor of the future will give no medicine." It's the arrogance. To think he's better than all of medical science and everyone who has studied it. Then so say HE feels lied to. No, dude, you did the lying.
jun 23, 2025, 1:57 pm • 58 0 • view
And I'm sorry a chiropractor they don't have the same training. They barely are a doctor.
jun 23, 2025, 3:37 pm • 11 0 • view
They're not doctors in any sense
jun 23, 2025, 5:18 pm • 12 0 • view
their whole approach was from a man who says he was taught chiropracting from a ghost lol
jun 23, 2025, 4:10 pm • 4 0 • view
😱
jun 23, 2025, 4:12 pm • 3 0 • view
I want people like that to be ok, to have all the material and social and nutritional support they need, I want them to live full and happy lives - but goddamn, when they insist on putting everyone around them at risk because of dumbass ideas ...
jun 23, 2025, 1:57 pm • 8 0 • view
Freedom of speech is not absolute. Lying about healthcare concerns for fame, fortune, attention, is not acceptable. RFK Jr. should have gone to jail for the lies he has told about vaccines.
jun 23, 2025, 4:25 pm • 16 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/cher...
jun 23, 2025, 7:07 am • 15 3 • view
I got to the end of this article and thought, where's the rest of this story? It slid around the grifting as if "doctor" Edwards did anything to legitimately help the sick kids who came to his medical office.
jun 23, 2025, 3:54 am • 45 0 • view
It did rather peter out, didn't it? Glad I'm not the only one who thought so--the state of journalism in this country is absolutely abysmal. The bar is in hell.
jun 23, 2025, 3:58 am • 37 0 • view
Right? What eventually happened to that family with all the kids in the hospital?
jun 23, 2025, 4:09 pm • 2 0 • view
This is a perfect example of how dangerous NYTimes reporting has become: the return of measles is a fait acommpli and they are reporting on it as if it's Aunt Mary's weekly tea party. I also noticed that there is no way to leave comments on the article.
jun 23, 2025, 8:34 am • 10 1 • view
Absolutely true. NYTimes is not far behind WaPo in becoming an apologist and enabler of murderous Trump regime.
jun 23, 2025, 1:05 pm • 1 0 • view
So much unnecessary suffering. My kids have been exposed to all sorts of diseases and nothing because they were vaccinated.
jun 23, 2025, 3:46 am • 6 0 • view
I get so frustrated when people with, presumably, my own level of training in medicine decide to turn their backs on that in favor of something they’d rather believe, and then are gobsmacked when it doesn’t work out well.
jun 23, 2025, 12:14 pm • 7 0 • view
I am having a hard time accepting how stupid so many Americans are.
jun 23, 2025, 8:27 am • 63 1 • view
It’s shocking when I researched it. I posted on Reese waters troubled waters YouTube show.. how could maga fall for this when there was a chatgtp model trained on project 2025? Someone said “bold of you to assume maga can read” 20% illiterate, 30% middle school, remaining are hs, including PhDs.
jun 23, 2025, 9:13 am • 21 3 • view
Average American over all of this, including MD doctors, rocket scientists, engineers, “very high iq…” , factor into that, average is 6th grade in the US. By 5th grade I was at 11th grade reading level. At 12 I could read better than the average American. I didn’t know this, work in a r&d lab…
jun 23, 2025, 9:16 am • 16 2 • view
At a top 3 university/research institutions, I didn’t understand how maga couldn’t fathom the economic destruction. Idiocracratic totalitarianism. Ruining the economy, short & long term, zero understanding. Surrounded by the best scientists in the world, it’s easy to forget how dumb people are.
jun 23, 2025, 9:25 am • 19 2 • view
Many other sources point to this as well….such as: www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/post/literac...
jun 23, 2025, 10:06 am • 2 0 • view
Oh this leads to a missing website, I did read the study, it was when I learned how dumb people are. Some maga serf screamed at me incomprehensibly, I asked someone what I’d done to offend this peasant, he said ignore him he’s an instigator. Imagine driving around all day and yelling at people?
jun 23, 2025, 10:15 am • 1 0 • view
He’s probably on social security and Medicare, he had a clapped out car from 2007, Chinese maga shirt and hat, hates China, doesn’t know why. The post truth era.
jun 23, 2025, 10:16 am • 1 0 • view
This applies to all fields, Nebraska relied on 62% undocumented workers, voted for the ice terrorists, with those workers gone; their businesses have failed. Canceling the ada will put small rural hospitals of business, Medicare/caid makes it worse. It’s killing a lot of people. MAGA doesn’t care.
jun 23, 2025, 9:28 am • 32 4 • view
One has to very gullible to be convinced to vote against one's own interests. 54% of AMERICANS ages 16-74 read below a 6th grade level. 11-year-olds in adult bodies are gullible. The most watched network on cable paid $787 million for lying about the 2020 election. 20+ Fox liars sit on cabinet.
jun 23, 2025, 10:22 am • 25 4 • view
jun 23, 2025, 10:32 am • 12 2 • view
tRump is limited to a 5th grade vocabulary which is one of the reasons many MAGAts identify with him.
jun 23, 2025, 10:42 am • 11 4 • view
jun 23, 2025, 10:47 am • 2 1 • view
jun 23, 2025, 10:57 am • 8 5 • view
Fox News was on at the gym last night and had a story about how the authorities are looking for Iranian sleeper cells because Biden let hundreds of thousands of Iranians into America during his term 🤔 the first thing we do when we get our government back from the fascists is shut that channel down
jun 23, 2025, 11:39 am • 11 1 • view
The official job titles of Hannity, Inghram, etc. is "entertainer", not journalist. Their audience is unaware of this and swallow their bullshit whole.
jun 23, 2025, 11:46 am • 4 2 • view
jun 23, 2025, 11:42 am • 2 0 • view
It’s shocking how uneducated this country is, but everything makes sense when you realize how… yeah uneducated. Why is this? I mean you can check out books for free, project Gutenberg has every public domain book. #giftedjeans #MakeAmericaDumbAgain
jun 23, 2025, 7:00 pm • 3 0 • view
Education/class division by income. Finland made the best choice for their entire country; we make the "best" choice for the wealthy in power.
jun 23, 2025, 7:07 pm • 1 1 • view
Rotten Ronnie, he ruined unions, ruined the middle class, got the news not to need to tell the truth. Laughed at the aids epidemic. May he rot in hell. Before my time.
jun 24, 2025, 4:13 am • 2 1 • view
I never voted for that B-level actor. He screwed over the working class, and they still love him. It's never a good idea to elect someone who is trained to lie for a living. "Trickle-down economics" translated to the rich making bigger and bigger cups for themselves and we got fucked.
jun 24, 2025, 9:34 am • 3 1 • view
Racism is that powerful a drug.
jun 23, 2025, 11:06 am • 2 0 • view
Maybe they're just more racist than dumb. Or more inclined to listen to evangelical pastors (authoritarian father figures and grifters) who feed them this bs that science is the devils work and so on. They never question because questioning means they lack faith. Smart people can also be conned.
jun 23, 2025, 11:52 am • 0 0 • view
Really, what’s the difference? If you choose to be ignorant that makes you stupid in my eyes.
jun 23, 2025, 1:02 pm • 0 0 • view
The New York Times has a pretty significant role in this present nightmare.
jun 23, 2025, 11:25 am • 74 0 • view
I cancelled my subscription so I can’t read the article posted. Annoyed.
jun 23, 2025, 11:39 am • 22 0 • view
If you use ChatGPT, you can ask for a free version of the article and it will provide a link sometimes.
jun 23, 2025, 11:49 am • 0 0 • view
I don’t trust that shit and I also don’t want to contribute to the vast resources it sucks down, specifically water.
jun 23, 2025, 11:54 am • 4 0 • view
Excellent point.
jun 23, 2025, 11:57 am • 1 0 • view
Free archive version: archive.ph/LFo5n
jun 23, 2025, 12:00 pm • 36 0 • view
Thanks!
jun 23, 2025, 2:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Thank you, David. I had cancelled my NYT subscription a couple of years ago. This story is infuriating
jun 23, 2025, 1:03 pm • 1 0 • view
Right? And in so many ways. Not least of all the fact that he would take payment in the form of a used gun! I mean, WTF.
jun 23, 2025, 2:03 pm • 1 0 • view
Thanks. But maybe not totally bc now I am FURIOUS. For a variety of reasons. So much WRONG about this entire article.
jun 23, 2025, 12:06 pm • 19 1 • view
Yes! Both the subject matter and the way it was written. The NYT provides so much cover for these absolute monsters rather than nailing them to the wall like they should, you know, if they were doing *actual* journalism.
jun 23, 2025, 5:34 pm • 4 0 • view
But also doctors who believe in “divine appointments” and “peace consultations”. What the FUCK are… they should have their licenses pulled. Isn’t that the whole POINT of licensing??? Preventing quackery?
jun 24, 2025, 10:28 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah. That’s why I cancelled my beloved Gray Lady😥. I’ll stick with BBC, NPR, and debating subscribing to one of the Irish papers or Le Monde. (In English. My French isn’t THAT good!)
jun 23, 2025, 5:37 pm • 4 0 • view
Yeah, WaPo was my paper of choice and cancelling that subscription made me deeply sad as well. 😢 But I won’t give a penny in support of their fascism apologia. Mostly reading independent writers these days.
jun 23, 2025, 5:52 pm • 1 0 • view
It’s absolutely criminal.
jun 23, 2025, 9:16 am • 0 0 • view
Anybody have a gift link?
jun 23, 2025, 1:16 pm • 0 0 • view
What happens when you're administration is staffed with incompetent And you're HHS IS a FIEND.
jun 23, 2025, 7:17 pm • 0 0 • view
RFK conspiracy profiteer is doing tremendous damage to the entire health care system.
jun 23, 2025, 8:52 pm • 9 0 • view
That's because you were lied to by monster who made $20,000/week lying to you until he was put in charge of US health lying.
jun 23, 2025, 11:06 am • 5 1 • view
I feel the same. Not only killing or severely sickening your own child, doing the same to those around you.
jun 23, 2025, 4:44 pm • 1 0 • view
Just remember ... as you think you've got the "inside scoop" over the decades of science and 1000's of medical doctors - including pediatricians who truly love and care for children. RFK Jr., and his children, ... have ALL BEEN VACCINATED!
jun 23, 2025, 3:53 pm • 2 0 • view
jun 23, 2025, 7:15 am • 5 1 • view
I wish you would just give a break down of the article. Even $1 is too much. People with money do not get it. We at the bottom were barely hanging on. Food up, Ameren up, spire up, phone and cable and I already dropped the premium channels and getting ready to just get rid of cable.
jun 23, 2025, 10:41 am • 3 0 • view
AND, I won’t give NYT one click. They helped get us here.
jun 23, 2025, 11:34 am • 4 0 • view
It’s brutal
jun 23, 2025, 2:12 pm • 1 0 • view
I get the feeling our government is out of control with a TV show that tells nothing about the truth.
jun 23, 2025, 12:45 pm • 1 0 • view
They only “feel” like they were lied to? Eeeesh
jun 23, 2025, 4:21 am • 2 0 • view
The article says he and one of the parents were vaccinated and got a “breakthrough” infection, but no mention of whether they fall on the age bracket that wasn’t fully immunized as children. (Age indicators point that way) Breakthrough infections of measles are pretty rare.
jun 23, 2025, 4:57 am • 1 0 • view
The cure for stupidity?
jun 23, 2025, 1:51 pm • 0 0 • view
i let you read it ... the summary is hard enough
jun 23, 2025, 8:52 am • 0 0 • view
I can't read it. Paywalls are a real weakness when it comes to defending the USA from internal threats. The propaganda is free. Journalism is trapped behind a wall
jun 23, 2025, 8:26 pm • 6 0 • view
Here's a gift link, should work for anyone. www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/u...
jun 23, 2025, 9:37 pm • 8 0 • view
Thank you!
jun 23, 2025, 10:40 pm • 3 0 • view
Most public libraries offer free access to NYT online
jun 23, 2025, 10:31 pm • 1 0 • view
That's good of course but you see the problem right?
jun 23, 2025, 10:39 pm • 0 0 • view
Read The Guardian. It’s free and more reputable than WAPO or NYTimes.
jun 23, 2025, 9:22 pm • 2 0 • view
I read that. I have a Reuters sub. Cancelled WaPo and nyt a while back
jun 23, 2025, 10:40 pm • 1 0 • view
A friend of mine who is a doctor said they are seeing a surge of measles in Michigan and parents are coming in with no idea that their unvaxxed child has an incredibly contagious disease. When they find out the parents are confused because THEY never got sick like this as a kid. HMM I WONDER WHY?
jun 23, 2025, 5:27 pm • 21 0 • view
no everything is destined to be a genius and that’s okay. But what happened to common sense??? As in “hmmm I’ve been vaccinated. I want that for my kid too.”
jun 23, 2025, 7:04 pm • 0 0 • view
Our Peds practice won’t take unvaccinated children as patients. They say it isn’t fair to their immunocompromised patients and I agree 100%. Why should other children suffer bc some parents are too stupid to think critically about vaccines?
jun 23, 2025, 9:25 pm • 9 0 • view
Wait until the Supreme Court compels them to take on unvaccinated children as patients. You know it’s coming.
jun 25, 2025, 2:22 am • 1 0 • view
I could see the older doctors retiring if that happens. Enough is enough.
jun 25, 2025, 2:28 am • 2 0 • view
I bet many would be torn. Prolly wouldn’t want to leave the vaccinated kids to suffer, ya know?
jun 25, 2025, 3:00 am • 1 0 • view
💯
jun 23, 2025, 6:46 pm • 0 0 • view
The continued bullshit from these early death enablers is infuriating.
jun 23, 2025, 12:24 pm • 4 1 • view
They have no souls
jun 23, 2025, 6:39 am • 4 0 • view
Why didn’t they ask Timmons and Edward’s if they would now promote vaccination now? Seems like that an important question
jun 23, 2025, 3:26 pm • 7 0 • view
Thank the Christians who refused the vaccines because they thought it would make the baby Jesus cry or some stupid shit. RFK jr. went to the funerals and told them it was for the best.
jun 23, 2025, 3:05 pm • 1 0 • view
RFK is responsible for their deaths. Measles in the US was eradicated in 2000. The damage these clowns have caused will be irreparable; and last decades.
jun 24, 2025, 1:07 am • 11 0 • view
People may choose no to get vaccinated. I'm not sure how they come to that decision. Data clearly shows for decades that vaccines are safe and effective. It's one thing to choose for yourself and YOUR family. The real problem exists for the community that suffers because of those choices.
jun 23, 2025, 1:53 pm • 1 0 • view
How they come to that decision? Easy. they believe in lies.
jun 23, 2025, 3:22 pm • 2 0 • view
It seems crazy to believe in the lies, when there are dozens if not hundreds of studies that are available. Even common sense should dictate the obvious if they took 5 minutes to research any history, like maybe Polio or measles. Not to mention what most recently was experienced with COVID-19.
jun 23, 2025, 3:36 pm • 4 0 • view
They definitely prey on a certain type, ie, those that are gullible, don't read, and have no critical thinking skills. We saw during Covid who did and who did not get vaccinated.
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 pm • 2 0 • view
You know that's right, It's a definite 'type.' Might be a religious component in there in addition to the characteristics you mentioned. You know what you're talking about, you're smart.
jun 23, 2025, 4:22 pm • 1 0 • view
Bobby Brainworm will kill millions
jun 23, 2025, 7:43 pm • 1 0 • view
We live in a time where millions have been conditioned for decades by garbage “reality” television and infotainment networks to believe the packaging of high-quality BS and not validate it. It's why very good candidates lose in the primaries bc of expensive attack ads, and no one fact-checks them.
jun 23, 2025, 4:41 pm • 5 0 • view
Turns out the "deep state" -- i.e. government guided by subject matter experts -- might actually be a good thing.
jun 23, 2025, 11:47 am • 18 0 • view
Do people think that Barron, the grandkids as well as families of GOP would not be immunized? SMDH.
jun 23, 2025, 12:36 pm • 1 1 • view
Just once I’d like to read one of these stories where the person realizes they were indeed lied to and therefore need to reevaluate who they listen to. But they never connect the dots that way.
jun 23, 2025, 11:43 am • 20 1 • view
Guy is a chiropractor. He'd need to abandon his career if he decided not to believe bullshit anymore. He'll be a tough nut to crack.
jun 23, 2025, 1:27 pm • 7 0 • view
The heck with nytimes. I can’t see squat from the link. They ought to give it away for free seeing that they’re losing caravans of readers.
jun 23, 2025, 4:52 am • 1 0 • view
💯
jun 23, 2025, 3:43 am • 1 0 • view
Not the focus, but I also get irate anytime I see a story like this because the anti-vax parents always say they "talked about the facts" and then express constant surprise over the most basic info on the disease. Oh isolating in the living room didn't prevent your kids from getting sick!? Shocking.
jun 23, 2025, 12:34 pm • 6 0 • view
international disaster :( … the common thread is the delusional grifting … www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...
jun 23, 2025, 3:29 am • 29 6 • view
Don't worry...it won't come to the U.S. there's a border in between (sarcasm font intended).
jun 23, 2025, 12:35 pm • 1 1 • view
Oh no! 😢
jun 23, 2025, 3:38 am • 3 0 • view
I just went to rural Nebraska to bury my great aunt and couldn’t help but notice walking around the old cemetery how many children and babies died at the beginning of the 19th century, sometimes 3-4 in a single family wiped out before their 3rd birthday
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 am • 54 0 • view
Dis you know that Studebaker sold a hearse specifically designed for children? There's one in their museum in South Bend, Indiana.
jun 23, 2025, 3:51 am • 19 1 • view
jun 23, 2025, 4:32 am • 17 2 • view
I’d ‘like’ the speed with which you retrieved that but it is too horrific for words
jun 23, 2025, 5:01 am • 6 0 • view
l'm a bit disappointed in myself, tbh
jun 23, 2025, 6:42 am • 4 0 • view
It was actually super common. Before antibiotics in the 30's and then vaccines becoming widespread it didn't take much to find yourself dead.
jun 23, 2025, 5:13 am • 0 0 • view
This story enraged me, & whet I read it this morning, commenting wasn’t an option, so I couldn’t even scream into the void. Even the doctors profiled are complicit in this monstrous ignorance.
jun 23, 2025, 3:37 am • 6 0 • view
This is—unfortunately—the logical end result of parental rights being more important than child safety
jun 23, 2025, 3:32 am • 189 9 • view
Also I’m just blocking the next person who thinks parental right of access to their children, no matter what they choose to do to those children, are more important than the physical wellbeing and safety of a child. I don’t know what that is but it isn’t parental love.
jun 23, 2025, 3:55 am • 164 6 • view
Don't disagree with your points, but it is ALSO about the very obligations people have to a society that they enjoy the robust benefits of. America has long been a place of maximal benefit with minimal obligation but even THAT seems too much for the anti-vax and tech-bro crowds.
jun 23, 2025, 4:03 am • 152 5 • view
Is it complete and utter laziness?
jun 23, 2025, 4:38 am • 1 0 • view
That is actually a great criticism. I ran out of characters and had to prioritize. Thanks for bringing it up!
jun 23, 2025, 4:05 am • 40 2 • view
I assert that “parental rights” is a total misnomer. Children have rights and parents are obligated to provide the children that to which they are entitled. Everything we think of as “rights” is just powers parents are granted in service to those duties.
jun 23, 2025, 4:42 am • 56 5 • view
I agree it’s a misnomer but trying to change it is (and has been) a problem. Evangelicals and fundamentalists are weirdos who think they should control their children like puppets.
jun 23, 2025, 5:03 am • 28 3 • view
Yes. There is a contingent of Pater’s Familias wannabe warlord cult weirdos obsessed with owning people in this year 2025
jun 23, 2025, 5:42 am • 17 4 • view
Retired pediatric nurse. Worked at children’s hospital my whole career. We are legally required to report suspected child abuse. I’ve shed many, many tears over the years. Thank y’all for speaking up for the kids!
jun 23, 2025, 12:06 pm • 2 1 • view
These are also undoubtedly the same people who will pound the table and rail against abortion and then call it murder. They seriously need their heads examined.
jun 23, 2025, 7:14 am • 5 1 • view
Except the Supreme Court just ruled there aren’t parental rights when it comes to transgender care. So they pick and choose.
jun 23, 2025, 5:03 am • 5 0 • view
Part of me can’t help but wonder: is it possible to charge Kennedy and Edwards with manslaughter?
jun 23, 2025, 1:05 pm • 0 0 • view
Sick!
jun 23, 2025, 8:03 pm • 0 0 • view
Make ALL of them #accountable Prosecute ICE by RICO #Impeachment #NOW #EmolumentsClause #SlavaUkraine #Resist #arrest #prosecute #Impeach tЯ☭mpublican Traitors supporting Traitor tЯ☭mp & P☭tin! #DefeatRussia #DemocracyMatters #SupportUkraine @electiontruth.bsky.social #VerifyTheVote
jun 23, 2025, 6:21 am • 4 0 • view
There are so many articles and videos that make me angry. And only since DT came into our lives. FDJT and the escalator he rode in on.
jun 23, 2025, 3:32 am • 10 0 • view
Archived copy of the article archive.md/rxh4R
jun 23, 2025, 7:54 am • 7 1 • view
Thank you for the link. Careless people…
jun 23, 2025, 9:36 am • 3 0 • view
I just finished listening to a series @stevanzetti.bsky.social did on this very subject and wanted to punch drywall, especially for the people celebrating being unvaxxed with the right wing douchebro pastor vibe, not to mention the parent who had their child die and still promoted it.
jun 23, 2025, 3:45 am • 23 3 • view
“It matters now because it happened to me!!”🤬🤬🤬
jun 23, 2025, 4:21 am • 23 0 • view
But he doesn’t *realize* it.
jun 23, 2025, 2:02 pm • 0 0 • view
Right wing males view women and children almost exclusively as "property" and, of course, this means that some property must be better, healthier and more desirable than others. They have no sympathy for those who succumb to disease because it increases their delusion of superiority over others.
jun 23, 2025, 4:10 am • 10 1 • view
It’s what happens when you stop listening to medical doctors and scientists and start believing personalities who push conspiracy theories. People seem to trust social media nuts with no scientific backgrounds more than real scientists because they push easy to understand BS that match their fears.
jun 23, 2025, 6:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Well duh
jun 23, 2025, 4:02 am • 1 0 • view
“Edwards loaded his pickup truck with supplements and drove to a small church outside Seminole, Texas. A 6-year-old girl with braided pigtails was lying in a coffin. Her four young siblings sat nearby, flushed with fevers, rashes and coughs.” Monstrous.
jun 23, 2025, 4:04 am • 40 1 • view
Imagine watching your entire family suffering through this. And then… asking why? What is happening? 🤯 Maybe measles is the thing that is causing it.
jun 23, 2025, 11:56 am • 8 0 • view
They were afraid to send their kids to the hospital after their daughter had just died. 🤯🤯
jun 23, 2025, 11:53 am • 3 0 • view
Those who refuse to vaccinate cause undue harm to everyone. I would not want my child to be anywhere near an unvaccinated vector child.
jun 23, 2025, 8:49 am • 3 0 • view
They don't need to tell you that the kids aren't vaccinated
jun 23, 2025, 10:28 am • 1 0 • view
Even more frightening is the apparently successful attacks on the notion of a government built for the public good. MAGA is destroying that in order to privatize everything.
jun 23, 2025, 4:21 am • 78 8 • view
Almost like a government is not necessarily a moneymaking enterprise
jun 23, 2025, 4:39 am • 23 3 • view
I was in an airport recently and they now have big signs saying "yeah idk, you probably got exposed to measles. hope you're vaccinated I guess. try self-quarantining for 3 weeks (lmao) but only if you want..." And I don't think I've ever felt my blood boil like that. I hate these people so much.
jun 23, 2025, 12:04 pm • 27 1 • view
Next Dem president should give ICE's powers to the CDC
jun 23, 2025, 12:04 pm • 20 2 • view
And I know this is like the **classic** formulation of competitive authoritarianism. And I hate that it's working on me. But goddamn it, little babies deserve to live even if their parents are gullible dumbfucks.
jun 23, 2025, 12:20 pm • 33 1 • view
Seriously, all the "know your risk" messages during Covid.
jun 23, 2025, 2:08 pm • 0 0 • view
For the first time got a contact record form through the airline in case I get exposed. Nope nope nope. Wearing a mask.
jun 23, 2025, 12:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Adults with heath care coverage that test for immune response from previous vaccine-do it. The current MMR recommendation is 2 doses, but for Gen X + millennials, it may have only been 1 dose as kids. On a hunch I requested a test and my immune protection was borderline. Got booster immediately.
jun 23, 2025, 5:24 am • 30 2 • view
Same for me.
jun 23, 2025, 8:22 am • 2 0 • view
💔💯
jun 23, 2025, 3:50 am • 1 0 • view
Then I guess these same ppl don’t wear condoms since their body will heal itself from VD. Unless, of course, their body isn’t strong enough. 🙄
jun 23, 2025, 4:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Felon-Trump intentionally selected unfit and dangerous Cabinet members. Even though Dems voted for yea for other appointees, not one voted for this freak. He, like the dictator wanna-be Trump, should be removed before there is more needless suffering & death. #Resist #NoKings
jun 23, 2025, 10:26 am • 15 2 • view
These people worship disease and death like gods
jun 23, 2025, 8:33 am • 7 0 • view
The suffering experienced by these children who contracted measles was caused by their own parents. It's abuse. Pure and simple.
jun 23, 2025, 1:34 pm • 1 0 • view
The Atlantic covered the first death from the family and local health services perspective. So much fear about vaccines is spread by liars, and "every child used to get it" attitudes are readily received by parents.
jun 23, 2025, 4:43 am • 5 0 • view
The thing is that the last half of the sentence is left off: "Every child used to get it, and LOTS of them didn't survive, or were left blind."
jun 23, 2025, 4:46 am • 2 0 • view
Survivorship bias. I mean, no one's parents had measles as a kid and died... I had measles (pre-MMR) and lost half my hearing.
jun 23, 2025, 5:22 am • 6 0 • view
This is the 21st century. These deaths are the parents fault. They saw the "evidence" of snake oil medicine and believed it. Not trained scientific Virologists, but some holy, rolling, hillbilly preachers and anti-vaxxer morons.
jun 23, 2025, 6:19 pm • 1 0 • view
The activity of conflating happenstance and rubbish with the veracity of their myths and justification of their obsessions is way more important to them than even the lives and futures of their own children.
jun 23, 2025, 9:14 am • 3 0 • view
Welcome to the party x.com/frankdelia7/...
jun 23, 2025, 4:06 am • 2 0 • view
Sorry, but there's a friggin paywall. The NYT shouldn't even be on here if they're going to pull that crap.
jun 23, 2025, 6:59 am • 1 0 • view
if you’re in the usa I think you can get newspapers online, for free, via your public library’s website… at least so i’ve heard
jun 23, 2025, 7:42 am • 0 0 • view
Their poor kids. Jhc.
jun 23, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view
I didn’t vote to live in 1700. Yet now I need to be concerned about whether my vaccinations are still up to date thanks to the delusional grifters and imbeciles
jun 23, 2025, 12:24 pm • 13 1 • view
*1380
jun 23, 2025, 1:30 pm • 4 0 • view
Not vaccinating against measles is child abuse. It's that simple. These people are unfit parents.
jun 23, 2025, 4:59 am • 46 4 • view
Not vaccinating your child without a legit medical reason is child abuse.
jun 25, 2025, 2:24 am • 1 0 • view
He has been lied to Rather than researching the question the just get angry shrug and believe him again
jun 23, 2025, 2:15 pm • 0 0 • view
These people are believing snake oil salesmen and lying to themselves. Inexcusable.
jun 23, 2025, 8:47 am • 6 0 • view
Same
jun 23, 2025, 7:50 pm • 0 0 • view
I strongly believe that diet, exercise and common sense affect health. And I strongly believe that science and medicine offer tools and skills to fight disease and improve health. These benefits coexist and are best used in tandem.
jun 23, 2025, 9:57 am • 40 1 • view
You just described modern medicine. Every single routine doctor's visit includes discussion of diet, exercise, and common sense measures (ex: avoiding risky activities like smoking). There's no "side" of this argument that advocates for medicinal intervention at the exclusion of anything else.
jun 23, 2025, 11:22 am • 46 1 • view
What a useless article. I’m 81 and the vaccine has been around longer than I am old and for all that time measles did not exist. Charlatans encourage people not to take the vaccines.Trump brings in RK jr. Measles everywhere.WHY? This article needed to end with get vaccinated.
jun 23, 2025, 3:40 pm • 8 0 • view
Let’s be very clear. MAGAts are uneducable.
jun 23, 2025, 4:34 am • 6 0 • view
I’m angrier that so much press in the last 25 years has been “both-siding” this. It’s always framed as a “debate.” Not as “a couple of cranks and con men are trying to make children die so they can get rich.”
jun 23, 2025, 3:55 pm • 73 5 • view
bingo
jun 23, 2025, 7:02 pm • 2 0 • view
It seems that there are lots of people who find it very difficult to believe things they have not directly experienced. Since irradiating the measles had been so successful people have not had to watch children suffering from it and refuse to believe how horrible it is.
jun 23, 2025, 7:21 am • 3 0 • view
these people deserve punishment
jun 23, 2025, 5:22 pm • 1 0 • view
Very first sentence is a gut punch. I’m infuriated how much that everyone is a dangerous idiot is left as subtext. Bad journalism if they say explicitly that these people that wish to heal, reject the knowledge that would help them most.
jun 23, 2025, 4:09 am • 21 0 • view
“Veritas” Latin for “truth”. I’m just so tired. Fuck every thing.
jun 23, 2025, 4:10 am • 7 0 • view
The right wingers loooove to throw around Latin terms. They think it makes them look superior and smart. Assholes.
jun 23, 2025, 4:24 am • 7 0 • view
All problems stem from one root, and that root must be uprooted. The damage has being done—history gave us Nazi Germany to teach us a lesson, but we chose to ignore it, and now we must pay the price. Israel is pulling the US into a war that should not happened.
jun 23, 2025, 6:19 am • 3 0 • view
The purity fetishes are the absolute worst.
jun 23, 2025, 3:31 am • 12 0 • view
I don't even know where to begin with this story but they are putting their children's lives, and other people's children's lives, at risk and they think they are good people.
jun 23, 2025, 11:06 pm • 8 0 • view
So a quack practitioner gets really sick and just can't believe it ? The stupid is overwhelming
jun 23, 2025, 3:48 pm • 16 0 • view
These people are so evil that reckoning with that fact triggers an uncanny response in anyone with a conscience.
jun 23, 2025, 10:57 pm • 1 0 • view
I feel the same way. But these are the stories we must make ourselves read. We need to bear witness to the evil here, and talk about it with our friends and family. Silence is the breeding ground that allows this evil and stupidity to flourish.
jun 23, 2025, 12:19 pm • 0 0 • view
Imagine hating your kids so much you don’t mind seeing them suffer. These parents are evil fucking child abusers.
jun 23, 2025, 11:22 am • 8 0 • view
I’d read Eli Saslow’s grocery list. He’s such a gifted writer. The story’s definitely worth your time.
jun 23, 2025, 3:51 am • 4 0 • view
Didn’t Trump start this anti vaccine stuff or was it religious puritans? When I was young none of this was an issue.
jun 23, 2025, 6:02 am • 1 0 • view
It's been around forever, but always on the fringes -- where herd immunity largely protected most communities. The Wakefields and Kennedys used fake studies and the worst psuedo-science to give it an air of legitimacy. It took morons like Trump and their supporters to bring it into the mainstream.
jun 23, 2025, 3:13 pm • 1 0 • view
RF’ingKjr-need I say more?
jun 23, 2025, 1:47 pm • 0 0 • view
People called the Plague, “the poor man’s death” at first. Then it started killed the Nobels too.
jun 23, 2025, 6:09 am • 2 1 • view
Imagine thinking you’re smarter than doctors and scientists. The gall.
jun 23, 2025, 4:14 pm • 8 1 • view
Gift link www.nytimes.com/2025/06/22/u...
jun 23, 2025, 4:55 am • 13 1 • view
Thank you!
jun 23, 2025, 5:27 am • 1 0 • view
jun 23, 2025, 11:52 am • 13 6 • view
Paywall
jun 23, 2025, 10:59 am • 2 0 • view
And a paywall I won’t abide. This fishwrap is partially responsible for getting this madman in power.
jun 23, 2025, 11:27 am • 4 0 • view
Just said that. 👍🏼✌️
jun 23, 2025, 11:35 am • 1 0 • view
While wearing the *costume* of ‘save the children’ and “sick democrats are hurting children only WE can save them”
jun 23, 2025, 5:34 pm • 1 0 • view
The father is a chiropractor. He is part of the problem not the victim.
jun 23, 2025, 11:32 am • 82 1 • view
Not only that, a chiropractor doubling as the (unlicensed) town doctor!! Egregious.
jun 23, 2025, 11:39 am • 75 1 • view
Wow!
jun 23, 2025, 11:39 am • 7 0 • view
Yep. At least they report he refers the hard ones to an MD in another town, but my goodness.
jun 23, 2025, 11:42 am • 33 1 • view
USA is so messed up that a completely unqualified individual can just be the town GP. Similarly, in Texas due to a teacher shortage they decided that anyone who served in the military could be hired on as a school teacher 🤦🏻♀️
jun 23, 2025, 12:28 pm • 57 2 • view
In many parts of Louisiana all you need is a GED to be a substitute teacher. Many of these “teachers” work full time. Parents remain blissfully unaware.
jun 23, 2025, 12:52 pm • 5 0 • view
They're not interested in and educating they're interested indoctrinating those in the military have been completely brainwashed
jun 23, 2025, 3:42 pm • 1 0 • view
Rural HC in this country is a patchwork of "God I hope it's nothing serious," "Do we really need to drive 3 hours to a specialist," and "The clinic is closed this week because the PA is on vacation."
jun 23, 2025, 12:48 pm • 38 1 • view
Yep, I recognize that dynamic.
jun 23, 2025, 1:36 pm • 6 0 • view
That's probably an economic thing too. If the town is poor enough, there might not be enough money for them to keep a licensed professional in business, so they're working with what they have. Another case would be using a pastor as a psychologist when you can't afford professional help.
jun 23, 2025, 1:35 pm • 0 0 • view
And FWIW, I'm a Christian and I have a lot of respect for a good pastor, but one thing a good pastor knows is not to wade into situations that are beyond their training. But in poor communities, professionals may not be available. So you make due with whoever's around, and fools rush in...
jun 23, 2025, 1:35 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t dispute your comment; it’s all true. But it does beg the question: why, in the wealthiest country on earth, are we unable to provide small towns with qualified healthcare pros? And it basically comes down to: priorities. And there aren’t many priorities in US that can trump corporate profit.
jun 23, 2025, 3:03 pm • 1 0 • view
Short answer? Capitalism. It's a lot of supply and demand and markets of scale. You need patients who can pay for services to fund medical care. Lacking a critical number of patients who can pay their own way, you need some kind of system of subsidy to pay medical practitioners to stick around.
jun 23, 2025, 5:25 pm • 1 0 • view
And you answered your own question. It's priorities. And I think even having the resources to study the problem is *itself* a problem. People don't invest as much in studying small towns, and each one is its own case. @gracehill.bsky.social , pardon the token tag, but feels like your question...
jun 23, 2025, 5:25 pm • 1 0 • view
I'd also add that - I strongly suspect - you can find similar dynamics in poor urban communities, give or take a few nuances.
jun 23, 2025, 5:27 pm • 1 0 • view
Ahhh!! He feels like he was lied to - because he was, but the twist is THE BRADY BUNCH is what made him think measles was a walk in the park? Sir, I requested a hysterectomy at 13 because Bobbie on General Hospital had one and she was "fine" in a day. TV is fake! The Bradys were not a documentary!
jun 23, 2025, 5:28 pm • 11 0 • view
Why are they still watching that show? That's a 55 year old show.
jun 23, 2025, 6:58 pm • 1 0 • view
to be fair, every life lesson is included in The Brady Bunch. Just not accurately.
jun 23, 2025, 7:14 pm • 3 0 • view
“The shortest distance between two points is a straight line!”
jun 23, 2025, 7:32 pm • 1 0 • view
And the most important one, "Mom always said don't play ball in the house!"
jun 23, 2025, 8:09 pm • 1 0 • view
jun 23, 2025, 9:55 pm • 0 0 • view
Baton Rouge, Cindy! BATON ROUGE!
jun 23, 2025, 7:16 pm • 1 0 • view
They are all just the worst of people.
jun 23, 2025, 12:04 pm • 0 0 • view
' I feel like I was lied to,' is a chiropractor complaining about A 1970's SITCOM BEING INACCURATE when portraying symptoms!!! We used to joke about making the world too safe and enabling stupid people to survive. It was a JOKE, but I'm starting to think this, ALL OF THIS, might be the consequence
jun 23, 2025, 2:05 pm • 39 0 • view
We're not seeing nearly enough Darwin awards.
jun 23, 2025, 3:15 pm • 10 0 • view
And look who got appointed Secretary of HHS, a skeptic. I am from a time before the measles vaccine and our parents wanted us to catch the disease when we were young so symptoms would be less but all of our parents would have done anything to get us vaccinated.
jun 23, 2025, 1:43 pm • 1 0 • view
Im over 35, my doctor had lab work done to make sure my vaccines for measles and 3 other quickly spreading diseases, due to lack of vaccinations due to pseudoscience by bad faith actors, diseases considered beaten are spreading fast, killing children, but adults need to make sure they’re still vaxed
jun 23, 2025, 9:10 am • 10 0 • view
State’s Rights to be SAF. Red state humans and institutions demand the right to be feral morons.
jun 23, 2025, 12:26 pm • 2 0 • view
It seems like they are Invading blue states up on that list too.
jun 23, 2025, 4:52 pm • 0 0 • view
The entire family ended up in hospital for days because the parents thought the vaccine was too risky. Maybe insurance companies should consider not covering health care for easily preventable diseases. No vaccine, no coverage
jun 23, 2025, 1:03 pm • 30 1 • view
They're ready to stop covering all of us for any reason. They don't need more permission to do so
jun 23, 2025, 2:13 pm • 14 0 • view
Too true!
jun 23, 2025, 3:28 pm • 5 0 • view
How did we get here? This article describes ignorance and stupidity to a level I am finding it hard to comprehend.
jun 23, 2025, 4:26 am • 16 0 • view
I was doing vaccine advocacy pre-covid. There is a combination of extremely predatory misinformation campaigns that specifically target new and grieving parents with anxiety disorders and tell them they "damage" kids, and parents who think "it's MY kid I won't vaccinate because "they" want me to."
jun 23, 2025, 9:18 am • 8 2 • view
WE. FUCKING. WARNED. THEM.
jun 23, 2025, 4:29 am • 2 0 • view
I truly believe that the current right wing is effectively a societal cancer. They are either too indoctrinated to realize that their worldview is antithetical to human life, or they’re willing actors trying to end as much life as possible.
jun 23, 2025, 3:35 am • 67 1 • view
I don't feel comfortable thinking about large swaths of human beings this way but I don't have another frame that makes sense
jun 23, 2025, 4:23 am • 20 0 • view
Stats aren’t good: “one in five unvaccinated people with measles will be hospitalized, … one in 20 children contracts a secondary pneumonia infection. More than one in 1,000 dies” Think about the unnecessary loss in healthcare costs, time away from work, school, church, and friends … it’s nuts!
jun 23, 2025, 11:32 am • 2 0 • view
Add that to the pile. I'm furious that the stupid sociopathic shitclown put EVERY American in danger because of his fragile ego, greed, stupidity and impotence.
jun 23, 2025, 4:50 am • 9 0 • view
Someone should bring the same to them
jun 23, 2025, 3:29 am • 2 0 • view
💔
jun 23, 2025, 1:28 pm • 0 0 • view
What I thought was really interesting is that the crooked, grifting doctor offered something important to people: extended appointments, I.e. time with a human being.
jun 23, 2025, 12:30 pm • 1 0 • view
It’s absolutely horrific. And we don’t know what the long term impact will be on the children who were infected.
jun 23, 2025, 1:35 pm • 0 0 • view
They don’t even talk about the kids who got an overdose of vitamin A that also sickened them
jun 23, 2025, 6:02 am • 8 0 • view
These pathetic parents completely failed in their duties.
jun 23, 2025, 10:55 am • 2 0 • view
It enrages me what adults do to children! We have a part of society that hates children. Like, what kind of monster willfully wants hurt innocence?! It's soul shattering!
jun 23, 2025, 3:40 am • 9 0 • view
😢😡😢😡😢😡
jun 23, 2025, 10:27 am • 0 0 • view
These people are all idiot assholes. They don’t deserve to have children.
jun 23, 2025, 4:21 am • 4 0 • view
"I feel like I've been lied to..." Just a guess, since I can't read the article, but my guess is that they were literally lied to.
jun 23, 2025, 11:39 pm • 14 0 • view
nottomention the two infants in Kentucky who've died of whooping cough (unvaccinated parents)
jun 26, 2025, 10:06 am • 0 0 • view
And subtly, there's something else here. "I feel like I've been lied to." Being lied is something you should work about by *logic*. I *know* I've been lied to because I understand logic and fact. This ephemeral dependence on "feelings" is one thing that is extremely messed up in our culture.
jun 23, 2025, 1:31 pm • 11 0 • view
There are those who will try to protect the ignorant, and those who will exploit them.
jun 23, 2025, 11:26 am • 0 0 • view
cruelty always seems to be the point.
jun 23, 2025, 10:37 pm • 1 0 • view
I felt enraged reading it. I didn’t think much of the parents either.
jun 23, 2025, 4:12 am • 2 0 • view
And so did the freak parents who didn’t vaccinate their children and let 6 year old child in pig tails die. But let’s make more children! Anyone can do it-No regulations.Kill them with your creepy religion and be prison free. Cunts. should be in prison and the surviving children taken.
jun 23, 2025, 3:32 am • 24 1 • view
I didn't read this paywalled article but when one of these children died in TX, the parents had no regrets or hindsight and STILL believed that vaccinating would have been more dangerous than her DYING from infection!
jun 23, 2025, 12:37 pm • 2 0 • view
And they get a massive platform to whine about being ignorant
jun 23, 2025, 5:26 am • 2 0 • view
They have been lied to. By themselves.
jun 23, 2025, 11:40 am • 4 0 • view
The man lied to himself. He believed what he wanted to believe.
jun 23, 2025, 10:46 am • 0 0 • view
No reposting anything NYT, but will just say “like”
jun 23, 2025, 1:09 pm • 1 0 • view
Get vaccinated!
jun 23, 2025, 5:06 am • 1 0 • view
Your paper won't even let one read the leade w/o a pop-up that makes me sign in to read for free and then tells me actually you have to pay, but we just tricked you to give us your email for no benefit to you! hahaha..... So actually no one can even know if they want to read it either, don't worry.
jun 23, 2025, 11:34 am • 1 0 • view
I blame Joe Rogan
jun 23, 2025, 9:57 am • 6 0 • view
Did you feel like the chiropractor family ever really changed their viewpoint after all they went through? Also the doctor in this piece is the worst.
jun 23, 2025, 1:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Anyone against vaccines had been lied to by the anti vaxers. Why can’t NYTimes explain things in plain English?
jun 23, 2025, 9:21 pm • 21 0 • view
I thought it was fascinating a chiropractor was allowed to pretend to be a doctor.
jun 23, 2025, 12:00 pm • 23 0 • view
All he does is listen to people and recommend vitamins, nobody needs a medical license to do that. But if he vaccinated kids, it would be a crime I think.
jun 23, 2025, 6:31 pm • 1 0 • view
Oh, I thought he was doing more than that. He said he was seeing people with broken ribs and, colds and stuff. That he "helped" those he could and sent the others to the hospital. But you're right. Maybe he just prayed over them and sent them on. He was totally anti-vax though.
jun 23, 2025, 6:34 pm • 3 0 • view
Yep! Still a baby-killer, and if this article is to be believed also almost unbelievably dim. His whole family has to go to the ER for measles and he still thinks it's no big deal, just take some cod liver oil kids!
jun 23, 2025, 6:37 pm • 7 0 • view
And it sounds like the motivating factor is just that he couldn't admit he was wrong about repeatedly choosing not to vaccinate his children?
jun 23, 2025, 6:39 pm • 7 0 • view
I don't have kids, but my mother stood in line all day to get us vaccinated at the Red Cross, which at that time was the one and only purveyor of vaccines in South Korea. Those vaccines were probably paid for by the precursor to USAID btw. And without the US distributing vaccines, people from poor
jun 23, 2025, 6:44 pm • 8 0 • view
Countries won't be able to emigrate here legally. Because nasty foreign browns have germs that could hurt us, but sweet little white Christian children could never.
jun 23, 2025, 6:44 pm • 4 0 • view
Germ theory for thee, but not for me!
jun 23, 2025, 6:45 pm • 4 0 • view
It was hard to read for sure. At best, measles is miserable and uncomfortable. Why would you risk this for your children? At worst it can come with grave illness and possibly death.
jun 23, 2025, 5:22 am • 7 0 • view
And they are being poisoned by the bogus treatment. www.usatoday.com/story/news/h...
jun 23, 2025, 8:34 am • 30 7 • view
"claims by a top health official" Say his fucking name and title. This kind of passive journalism is another reason why we're in this mess
jun 23, 2025, 10:48 am • 24 0 • view