the thing i don't get about this is that sure, you're some groyper who thinks the posters look cool. but, like, you must know that the nazis lost, and they didn't just lose, they lost to the people they *deemed inferior*: a polyglot nation of shopkeepers on one front & russian peasants on the other
There's always an excuse- outnumbered, stabbed in the back, the jews, "better army man for man", whatever. They just get hard for the sort of burly aryan dudes that tom of finland mad a career out of.
Socialists and Slavs on the eastern front, in fact.
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The so called creatives on the Nazi side don’t have enough imagination.
And if they had somehow held out a few months longer their entire population would have been reduced to ash by a wonder weapon made by a bunch of Jews
Yup. Goering raged in one press conference about cultured German cities being pulverized by "a bunch of Canadians who couldn't find Germany on a map." Allied broadcasters pointed out that the RCAF (and RAF, and USAAF) were doing exactly that, every. damned. night.
superficiality is one of the trademarks of fascism
Qualified resistance minded liberals should consider joining. If they can sufficiently scrub their social media to be accepted it would be quite helpful to have friendly people on the inside. There are some rather daunting legal minefields, but Dems can pardon people too. Risky, but good $$$’s.
They didn’t lose. They won a perpetual series on the History Channel.
They lost on the battlefield. The propaganda at home was a success. I thought we studied Goebbels to recognize and avoid a repeat, but we let the right do it in plain sight.
Pointing out this poster was used in the last months of the war. I’ve been suspecting recruiting for ICE would not go well for them. If you know someone is ICE. ICE them out of your community. No parties. No restaurants. No peace.
And we are here dealing with this today because every single person who believed in what the Confederacy and Nazism espoused were not hunted down and publicly executed in manners that were so brutal that people would still fear the same fate today.
Notice how they're only using white men.
Honestly, I think many in this country could not tell you how, or why, or who Nazis lost to or even that they lost. We’ve done a great job of training people to (barely) pass a test w/forgettable facts. We haven’t taught critical thinking to recognize patterns in history when they start to repeat.
Except we have. It seems like white people have been the most susceptible to racist ideology. These people are racist and have passed those values down. They've created a whole ecosystem to protect their racism and allow it to flourish. Can't teach someone who hates the teacher.
Fair. I think in some parts (I grew up in southern kentucky) the teachers own prejudices would come into the classroom. I know classroom to classroom in my high school taught vastly different perspectives on civil rights, LGBTQ issues, civics, religion in school etc etc. …
… This was during the Bush / war on terror era (I know I’m old 😂) but it’s easy for me to see how a muddying of waters on a high school edu level devolved into political dysfunction we see now where open racism and bigotry is an acceptable position, thinly masked or not. Maybe it’s just where …
…I grew up. Maybe it’s when. I also came out in high school and can only speak from that perspective as a cis (white-presenting) male. But even then, we didn’t openly talk about my gayness. With teachers that were allies it was always coded discussion. when classmates learned my dad was Japanese…
…I’d get all the Pearl Harbor jokes about my grandmother + q’s on why my eyes weren’t more slanted, insults for my sexuality, etc… growing up in that world it’s easier to see how the unchecked ignorance of those classmates now in their late 30s are buying into this ICE shit on a national level.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if ICE decides to start hiring foreigners and immigrants?! Oh the irony.
Well fascism tends to be a suicide cult and whatnot
They lost to “untermenschen” while their Great Leader decompensated into outright hysteria and suicidality. While their sacred “Aryan Womanhood” was brutalized en masse by the Red Army. His “leadership” ended with his people being tortured to death, their civilization in ruins.
Hitler failed more than almost any head of state in history. And his failure was a catastrophe orders of magnitude worse than anything we’ve endured in the States. Hitler as your model is, like, the stupidest possible thing.
#DumbestOfTimes #DarkestOfTimes
ICE hiring. Good time for those who want to be insiders and whistleblowers to sign up and take note of who's in charge of some of these raids, where they take people, and have ears and eyes inside their facilities. Infiltration should be a must with this corrupt org.
don't try and psychoanalyze them. well anyway it is a big nasty job to psychoanalyze every one of them. Assume they R very sick. Stuff starts to make more sense right away after that assumption
ICE is a government funded hate group.
I don't find it surprising. Losers always have excuses.
Theirs is an ideology that abhors fact and reality.
Is this a good moment to mention The Red Tails of Army Air Force fame?
Ppl to whom this appeals don't know any history. They're the same ppl who buy these new M&Ms. bsky.app/profile/sant...
And well past their expiration date.
Yea but you see they've taken a long, hard look inside and said "Y'know what maybe the Russians were okay."
Remains to be seen if the groypers are willing to give up being keyboard warriors to “defend [their] culture (Applebees & Draft Kings)” IRL
and one of the signs of how ragged, desperate, and defeated they were was, um, the Volkssturm
"Wehrscheißen des amerikanischen Volkes 2025" -- spelling intentional.
Hope they waive the weight requirement too, so these guys can finally stop larping and stroke out chasing at gardner @ Home Depot.
Do they make tactical vests big enough to fit these guys or is aiming for that center mass a kill shot?
Classic. Bless you.
How dare you speak ill of Meal Team Six! The Gravy Seals are the thick mayo line between us and those immigrants who want our women and our jobs.
We all know the nazis lost. You wonder what cult conspiracy nonsense *those* people believe, that they learned from "doing their own research"
And they're going to fucking lose again.
Don’t think they haven’t thought of that - “the International Jew” won WW2 in their mind, worthy fuckin’ adversary I guess.
Beautiful Soul nonsense, via losing you get to be the martyr that pretends they are against something and the Against allows you to always never be at fault for you were right or someone forced you to do something you did not like to do Tad Delay has a good book www.amazon.com/Against-What...
on this and when I say on this he is specifically talking White Evangelicals , but his lacan based frame (god I cringe saying that) works for anyone who has an evangelical mindset where this belief system is the organizational principle against his most recent book is on ideologies of how people
respond to climate change and find ways to unhealthy cope but when I say unhealthy I mean nothing changes but they find some way to feel superior
I think the blind spot mostly goes the other way: Hitler and Musselini lost so a lot of liberals think Trump is silly to try fascism again. But there are plenty of evil genocidal autocrats who Get Away With It! Just don't invade Russia in the winter!
they’re both white, of course
All that matters is if a lib sees the poster, makes the connection and gets mad. That’s all they care about
I doubt very much they know what you're crediting them with. They (we) forgot all about those peasants just a couple years after it happened.
Side point, but worth saying: a huge proportion of the Soviet army was made up of non-Russian Soviet citizens, the largest bloc of which was Ukraine, which actually had more total casualties during the war than Russia despite being 1/4 the size, but when ppl remember it they remember "soviet=Russia"
it's obviously messier to try to learn the details but after reading a couple Timothy Snyder books recently it seems like a salient thing to point out, not just being a pedantic dick.
Thank you for bringing my attention to this nuance!
You’re very welcome. Recommend “Bloodlands” and “Black Earth” by Timothy Snyder to read if you want a perspective on the Eastern front and the holocaust that is meticulously researched but a different narrative than you were probably taught in school
Also the British Armed forces and the French had thousands of colonial subjects in them too, British Indian Army was the largest volunteer army of WW2.
Yeah absolutely. In both world wars they conscripted heavily from their respective colonies. Huge numbers of Indians for the Brits(which included Pakistan/Bangladesh back then), which also makes Churchills decisions even more callous and sociopathic than they already were.
They're convinced that they can win this time.
Can a bunch of (us) older patriots Trojan Horse these muthrfkrs? As former LE I could probably fake my way in, get paid, distract and derail them from their targets and play the bumbling Rittenhouse tool until I get fired.
They think the genocide the Nazis did was worth it. They view WWII as just a battle. The war, to these sickos, is the relative populations of white guys and minorities. It's why people who pursue mass atrocities through government must face the death penalty. They never stop trying to kill.
One thing that baffles me is: did these people grow up watching Patton or Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers rooting for the Nazis? When and why did these people throw away depictions of American heroism in favor of the clear villains from our own movies and TV?
It’s hard for me to put into words but a childhood friend clearly gravitated to the Nazi aesthetic and ideal. I think it is very appealing for some, the concept of that sort of unity despite how well it actually worked
Violent domination is also alluring to many men (and some women). Naziism promises them a pathway to domination. This is why the best way to defeat Nazis is to violently crush them. Punch them, on video. The people who would be Nazis are repulsed by the prospect of being violently dominated.
Yeah, it's the same as people who dress up as Stormtroopers from Starwars.
To be fair, a Star Wars stormtrooper costume is pretty cool. And dressing up as a fictional villain isnt the same as copying historical villains. (Yes, I'm a geek and I have good friends who dress as fictional bad guys sometimes. They're still good people.)
American right wingers are not rationally embracing Nazi imagery and all it represents, from seizure of power to downfall. They are embracing the parts of Nazi imagery that reflect how they feel about people they consider inferior. In this case, by highlighting virility of white men, young or old.
Begging Americans to recognize the British Empire existed and played some role in the defeat of the Third Reich.
Understanding consequences (like being losers) is not the maga vibe.
Consequences are woke
They’re just willfully fucking dumb and arrogant to boot.
Disgusting
I think the mistake you’re making is believing that these morons remember any bit of history. The fascists NEVER win. Sometimes they have a bigger moment than others but….
Also, their Orange God, Trump, says we libs are the fascists for wanting people to get vaccinated, or wanting criminal behavior by Republicans to be investigated.
You greatly overestimate people
America's Gestapo, led by neo nazis Miller and Vought. Thank you, Republican voters. Thanks, GOP for your lack of respect for democracy.
Unreal
Same thing goes for adherents of the Lost Cause. Losers stanning for other losers.
More than that: the only time you recruit youngsters and old men is WHEN YOU’RE LOSING.
They are counting on ignorant people thinking “they figured out where it went wrong”, so the end will be different this time.
Yeah but I think their thought process is that they would have preferred if they won.
So abhorrent and wrong. These neo-fascists will lose too because this polyglot nation’s people will drive them out!!!
That they feel entitled to victory will be part of their undoing.
Here’s further evidence! www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/i...
THIS IS SO BEYOND DISGUSTING- as it seems every single day KRISTI and TOM come up with more vile propaganda and most Americans don’t even get it…
As Socrates says to Callicles in Plato's Gorgias, if the stronger have the right to rule as they will, as Callicles claims, but the so-called "strong men" have been shackled by the demos, as he also claims, then by his own logic it is the *demos* who are stronger and have the right to rule.
It's just basic bootlicker narcissism, isn't it? "Well if it was me doing it, I'd get it right. My Reich would really last for 1k years instead of 12. They had such a cool idea though you can't fault 'em for trying. But you can't send some starchy euronerds to do a diabetic mall cop's job, is all."
Sorry for throwing fellow diabetics under the bus but I went down with you and it was glorious.
You forgot the originators… They should just use this poster, to be all inclusive.
The probably think the NAZi$ really won but the war was stolen from them... there is a pattern
That policy led to the disastrous defeat at the Battle of the Bulge
And if not, they would have lost to a bunch of Juden dropping the sun on them, which they were nowhere near managing. Really a poor effort by the master race.
Does trump know how Hitler died?
I think it's incredibly clear that the groypers have brainfucked themselves into believing that the nazis secretly won, somehow, through them. They're the winners, even. It's really pathetic!
The very fact they had to create this militia was an indication they were losing, badly! And they're offering this at what is really the start of what they're trying to create??? They don't view this as the abject failure it is??
USSR also a multiethnic, multilingual society.
Winning armies always recruit the very young and the washed up.
Hence, "I am your retribution." I mean, which other grievances did we think he was talking about?
"they lost" yet here they appear to be again. It's looking more like it was just period of setback for certain ideas and reasoning that most of us disagree with. But ideas like some microbes seem able to lie dormant until conditions suit them. And we've still not adequately inoculated against.
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"This time is different"
Speed running. This is why you press, they'll overplay their hand every time. They know nothing but force, no touch, no tact.
Mudsills & Greasy Mechanics
That's the point tho, isn't it? Losing breeds anger, resentment, desire for revenge, and that's the lifeblood of any conservative ideology. Having lost is the bile that keeps them going.
Cosplay. Grow the fuck up! This is real life.
Every single one of these movements has fallen to people they claim superiority over but it doesn't stop the next generation of stupid racists from inflicting pain until they're shoved back into a locker.
Hitler killed off nearly an entire generation of German men, and in the end it was done for pride
I mean, they still haven’t reached a point where they’re comfortable saying out loud that once they’ve handled all the brown people, they’ll roll right into finally solving the Jewish question, but they’ve got to show their superfans somehow.
Yet their ideas were powerful enough to topple the world's most powerful nation with ease.
they want participation trophies for confederate generals (who also lost)
I have to think that a few see it as a failure of place and time rather than a flawed philosophy, but most are just grifting within the movement thinking they can line their pockets and make a clean exit before the fall.
Yes, and they see that as a wrong for them to rectify.
Not only did they lose, but they lost horribly. Millions of Germans dead, country reduced to rubble, their leadership sentenced to death(Unless they offed themselves first), and their country ripped into two separate countries. And these dipshit want to try to be like them.
This was my reply to a taxi driver years ago, who told me we should treat our migrants the way Hitler treated the Jews. "Dude, did you not notice how badly and comprehensively he failed?"
The Volkstrum specifically got obliterated
I don’t see any masks in these propaganda posters. Not good for recruitment posters?
life in a prison cell can be a bonding moment too
never stopped those "the south will rise again" folks
But Vance, etc. are just all "This time we'll do it RIGHT!"
This is how it ends en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bu...
The Volkssturm was also a move of total desparation, and completely failed, a dictator and his cronies sacrificing both a country's future and its past for the sake of staving off the inevitable consequences of their crimes for a little longer.
Said this a few months ago back— it’s like they’re trying to get from 1933 to 1944 in under a year.
The thing is, I think there's too much credit given to the idea they're consciously copying the propaganda of prior fascists. It's just that they *ARE* fascists. They have the same values, the same goals and inspirations. They aren't consciously reproducing nazi imagery, it's convergent evolution.
their social media team is basically being run by 20something groyper posters, they absolutely are trying to "sneak" in nazi references because it makes people they hate mad
(Though I admit it can also be a case of "the art you admire is the art you emulate." If this is the kind of imagery they surround themselves with, naturally when they're called upon to produce "patriotic" imagery, this is the nationalist media language they draw on.)
They're fucking around & they ARE going to find out. Everyone has a breaking point. CEOs of evil corporations have already started dropping. The time is coming.
Their world view is that that was a fluke.
But these narcissistic fools KNOW they are better than those F-ing nazi.
Hitler derided the US as a mongrel nation and said the entire edifice would crash down in the USSR. Neither happened and he wound up dead in a Berlin ditch. This stuff from DHS is disgusting with a whiff of loserdom.
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I mean, these are the same people who think copying Russia with this macho warfighter bullshit and hollowing out the professionalism in the armed services is a good idea AFTER watching Russia get spanked by Ukraine. White supremacy isn't good for reasoning.
They always lose in the end and then they complain everyone else cheated. Or they do the Shulyaguv thing of saying everyone should be exterminated so their true superiority can shine. But it deeply worries me they have no compunction about wiping out humanity. They love their lies more than life.
Does this mean we’re in the final months?!!!
and became universally hated!
Yes, but they are telling themselves, “this time, it might work for us!” It’s their self-declared moment to shine! Ugh.
LITERALLY!!!
“They” are depending on us buying into this idea of “us vs. them” whether thats socio-economic, race, gender, religion, political party, etc… Inherent value and equality belong to every person on this planet. Help people see the truth. Unity is the way forward
tbf, though, the Confederacy also lost, and in part to people they deemed inferior.
There must be some great writing on the persistence of those myths and ideas in the face of obvious falsity.
Festinger’s “when prophecy fails” hits on that subject in general, not specific to racism though
Insecurity, lack of purpose, and lack of community / exposure to different kinds of people will always make these things an inevitability.
I think that a big factor is that theory of mind is key to strategy but fatal to bigotry.
I think we're past the point where white supremacy is about supposed white superiority, and is now about white people, esp. white men, not having to compete against anyone else.
My gut reaction is that those are the same thing adjusted for context, so I'm not sure it's a meaningful distinction. I'd need to spend more time thinking about it, though. Both are rooted in the belief that white men are Mom's Special Boy and Deserve the Good Things in Life.
^^^ the "supremacy" is the lie that justifies the "not having to compete". Quite ltrl like: Euros started enslaving Africans cuz they thought "Same Climate=Same Disease Resistance", then decent ppl said "Hey! But Slavery's fucked up!" and they started making up bs like white supremacy to justify it.
Hyup
IMO, "We're better than They are" is different from "We deserve better than They do".
You’re giving too much credit toward this being rational. White supremacy is a fraudulent belief based on the fraudulent idea of race/whiteness being real. These are not based in reality. As such, the beliefs are highly resistant to change based on input from reality.
Hm. I don't think I agree with that. Can you think of a rationalization for the latter position that doesn't boil down to the former?
“We deserve better than they do.. because we paid more money… ..However, we are not better than them because we spent more money”
There is also "our God said we were supposed to have dominion."
Makes me think what ICE boot licker Lance Reynolds did on his adventures in Ecuador. Aside from giving a thin response it was merely adventuring. He recently took to attacking one of Maine's finest who has a Green card, passed the academy, and had college credits.
I don't know of any offhand but there's quite a bit about how ideological racism is based on contradictory stories. Eg "the Jews are inferior subhumans who are fiendishly clever thus oppressing us, the naturally superior people." Same with Obama being simultaneously a dunce and devious puppetmaster.
Well, you see, that was unfair for *incoherent reasons* and doesn’t count.
They're not only pulling from the Nazi playbook, they're making a speed run to "The Nazis are losing the war in 1944 and are absolutely desperate" levels of buffoonery. Skipping over Molotov-Ribbentrop, the Blitzkrieg, invasion of France, the entire Africa campaign, and straight to the Volkssturm.
this just goes along with their whole absolutist just-world fallacy (which is the fascist's psychiatric profile) as belief system - those minorities cheated to win. it wasn't a fair fight. damn yankees used former slaves as soldiers, allies used money (from the jews probably) to pay for material etc
Russian peasants whose own dictator had spent a decade+ prior removing every competent military leader, too!
Favorite legends was Japanese American units in the European front escorting Nazis who were just flabbergasted believing that the Japanese betrayed them
IMO the most important part of right-wing psychology these days is that they do not understand cause and effect, and they don't think history is real.
That’s the thing…. Just like good Nazis everywhere, they think the German Nazis lost, not because they were unable to, but because THEY WERE BETRAYED!
Grotesque
Soviet realism...stupid
I suspect it's not simple copying; more like convergent evolution, like dolphins and fish. Given certain goals and certain possible strategies, you're going to end up looking like the same thing.
given some of the white house's previous efforts though I wouldn't necessarily *discount* simple copying. A lot of what they do is edgelord signalling.
And they are not creative people, AI slop is all they’re capable of.
a lot of what they do is fascist bullshit
Both explanations are possible but these are definitely not people who deserve the benefit of the doubt. Either way: Nazi shit
Definitely possible. But there's only so much blood-and-soil iconography one can think up.
Just two weeks ago they posted a 14-word tweet with 1488 in it (on top of the iconography), so I'm past thinking it's even convergence.
There is also the aspect that they’re using AI to make a lot of these images and the dataset it’s trained on is probably chock full of Nazi propaganda as they were quite prolific. And then of course the prompts likely align quite well.
carcinization of national cancers, if you will
they all subscribe to the same batshit channel they goosestep the supernerds cherish every nazi thing they ever saw or heard about. they use them all as codeword passwords to identify themselves. their less expert political leaders eat it all up like ice cream and lettuce
I tend to think it's pretty clearly intentional. In principle, National Socialism has, or once had, very little in common with all but the most extreme fringe of the American right.
There's something deeply odd about the fact that a bunch of people who are heirs to a political tradition that idealized a white man's republic are increasingly aping the aesthetics of a regime whose core agenda was exterminating the Slavic and Jewish population of Central Europe.
Other than being in some very general sense racist, George Wallace and Adolf Hitler didn't share a lot of beliefs in common, and yet here we are.
And given all the common building blocks of nationalist and authoritarian aesthetics.
jamelle, i'm curious if you feel there are parallels to basically any modern nazi movement and the "lost cause" confederate narrative -- have you read any work about this? in the u.s. it seems like they are both nazis AND confederate minded in one package, right? is this inane to ask about
Hence the "stab in the back" theories.
That would require personal reflection and awareness. That ain’t happening.
Fourth Reich's the charm?
#ThisIsNaziShit #ThisIsWhiteNationalism #NewKKK
They are not the coldest beers in the fridge, are they.
Seems notable that Trump/Miller/Noem etc. may be already at the end-of-the-line, must try to recruit teenagers stage of this evil racist campaign.
“I’m built different” is one of few principles to which these gormless weasels steadfastly adhere
They're also the same guys who idolize the Civil War losers. They think with just a few tweaks they can win.
They also should know that by the time they were drafting old men, the Nazis had already lost. Same kind of last ditch effort?
They don't really care. It triggers the libs. That's literally all that matters to any of them and it's why the groypers and "normie" MAGAs (to the degree those exist) remain united. Libs mad? It's good.
It always makes me wonder what the libs ever did to them to deserve such disgustingly-realized ire.
I think the libs have been too good at recognizing and pointing out their absurdity.
Hurt their feelings
Nominated a black man for president.
Very much like their obsession with Death Star/Vader/Empire
I think it's a mix of "couldn't be me, I'm built different" and the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" mindsets. Which is basically the same thing that the Germans were thinking back then, except that they were coping from losing WWI, whereas we elected a black man.
They must believe that they’re better, smarter, and more righteous. LOL.
And what country now thinks they’re going to get wrecked by…Hungary?
* Commie Russian peasants
That is creepy.
Yeah, but they just make up some Dolchstoßlegende in their heads. Surely, the Nazis would have won, if not for the big treason by whomever. If these people were rational, they wouldn't be following cheeto benito.
it's failed every time but it just might work for them
I said the same thing with more words, but that.
It’s the visible faces in the ICE poster that really throw me off.
