This both sides hogwash is part of what got us here in the first place. Sometimes there aren’t two sides - just right and wrong. Vaccines save lives. There isn’t another side.
This both sides hogwash is part of what got us here in the first place. Sometimes there aren’t two sides - just right and wrong. Vaccines save lives. There isn’t another side.
Maybe we should answer such NYT garbage with “..according to pro-journalism newspapers..”
Pro words groups...
That’s pretty inexcusable.
Media should be the first ones assigned blame for the mess this country is in! Without their complicity for coloring the facts with their biased reporting, the Taco & his regime would have been relegated to Waffle House instead of being handed the keys to the White House!
I've been ignoring that tool of the oligarchy, NYT, for a decade or more.
Watching from the other side of the Pond, it’s quite shocking to see how much of the US media has dropped to its knees to fellate the Orange Mushroom. Media acquiescence is crucial to an authoritarian takeover. And it’s all going to plan…
This is why, when hitting the paywall, I just stop and refuse to pay for FoxNews.
Nathan Fielder moment
They've already changed it to "public health leaders". Apparently the AMA and the College of Physicians and Surgeons are They Who Must Not Be Named.
With RFK Jr having 52% Republican approval, 2025 is shaping up to break Darwin Awards records. bsky.app/profile/that...
I’m sure antivaxxers are lining up in droves to subscribe now
And ouila! They just both-sidesed vaccines. Just like they did climate change.
The NYT bears significant responsibility for the diseased generations of people who will suffer illness and die. They have been so irresponsible in their reporting, headline writing and both-siding positions. Completely immoral people. All of them.
@nytimes.com is intent on finding out just how shitty it can get.
When I tell people that Tennessee Holler is more progressive than NYT, I got looks like - are you sure?
You’re right.
At this point in time, the Nashville Tennessean might be more progressive than the @nytimes.com...it does have that legacy.
😂😂😂😂
Yup, I've been pleasantly surprised with the coverage from the Holler...
Do they also call the anti vaxxers the pro death group? I'm sorry, the Grey Lady has lost all dignity.
Plenty of americans will die from this decision, and that's no great loss, you all gotta die sometime right.
JFC 😒 Camus was right: life is absurd 😐
it has been changed to 'public health leaders' from 'pro-vaccine groups', so someone paid attention.
how many ways can they both-sides a 90-10 issue: just bastardize neologisms.
New headlines: Medical doctors Support vaccines Which have a proven effectiveness and safety to prevent illnesses! So people don’t unnecessarily die or be permanently disabled!!
“Pro-vaccine Doctors”
This was meant as sardonic. It really is amazing that the average FaceBook poster thinks they know better.
We aren’t on Facebook! 🤨 As far as sardonic this particular news organization is known for slanting to the extreme right!
Lu. Why the pugnacious “we aren’t on Facebook”?
Sorry I was being pissy please excuse my bad! 😞 shits getting to me!
Thank YOU! No worries at all Lu. I am totally in agreement with your post. And I completely understand - things are getting to me as well.
Thank you I have to get off after awhile and go touch grass or listen to my music for my sanity!
Two days ago a girl friend said that I should literally hug a tree. LOL. I’m thinking about it.
It’s an old expression! It’s the same as go touch grass! It grounds you to reality and gives you energy to fight back!!
Medical and scientific expertise are joining real business and economic expertise as perspectives that are increasingly framed as just “anti-Trump.” Immigration and crime knowledge left the world of reality long ago. Unfortunately, shared governance depends on shared realities.
Let me guess - Doc, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy, and Dopey - that’s 7 of them.
Cancel any subscription you have with the NYT
What!!
“Is likely to draw criticism from anti-wiz’s witchcraft and -wizard magic magic groups”
I've posted this before but it needs to be said again...the gray lady has fallen and can't get up!
Ah, yes, Dr. Jonas Salk, member of a pro-vaccine group.
Vaccines have electrolytes.
'Pro-vaccine groups'... also known as 'all sane medical pros'? Way to 'both sides', NYTimes... hope it feels awful to keep embarrassing yourself like this.
I kind of feel like these stories are written by younger people who haven’t seen the toll these diseases take and just take their health now as granted. And some may not even be all that young.
in the trash fire that is "journalism" these days, you follow orders because the rent is too damn high. Failure to follow orders means you get exiled to sinclair/fox if you are lucky but most likely you'll be proofreading AI articles in mom's basement.
Shouldn't it be "pro-life" not "pro-vaccine"?
I think they misspelled "pro-science groups".
I wish they had chosen the term pro-science.
Wow, strong words from both sides! It's like a punch to the gut. Can we take a step back and acknowledge that the media's role is to inform, not to take sides?
They keep repeating the same mistake: allowing those with extreme, unsupportable positions to dictate the locus of the “neutral middle”.
I mean, yes? Of course they are? Why not say “pro-science” while we are at it, @nyt?
Pro vaccine?! How about pro health? They’re literally trying to kill us.
🤮
This is exactly why I canceled my subscription a couple weeks ago. The AMA and the College of Physicians and Surgeons should be referred to as "health experts" and "leading health educators". FFS. I threw in the towel.
OK we got Sleepy,Grumpy,Dopey,Sneezy, Scratchy,Itchy , &Contagious-y These are the Symptomatic 7 The 8th old D&P (disease & pestilence )Bobby assigned is named Plague the actual 7 Dwarves were asked said Fuck No we're not working under that idiot Miller is calling in the 4 Horsemen to assist
ONLY QUACKS NEED APPLY
The whole prevent pandemic thing is just so politicized say the agents assigned to undermine public health because it concentrates record capital.
Pro vaccine? Lol so are we at thr point we are gonna erase all the benefits of vaccines for the last 100 years....
Everyone please stop reading the nyt already
For no reason, just want to point out that if you get a NY Times home delivery, there is no limit to the number of successive six-month "vacation holds" you can do where you pay nothing and still have access. (going on ten years.)
Oh! Also for no reason, thanks.
Yep. Because it makes Republicans upset
It's a lesson in how to alter reality.
As apposed to the pro-disease people.
That's one of the reasons I refuse to subscribe to NYT.
so let's call anti-vaxxers "pro-death groups." cuz they are all death cults of varying denominations. i'm fine with that. it's fitting.
Clowns promote buffoonery.
Yeah, I’m pro vaccine, it got me this far.
Next they'll call real doctors, "Anti-Death Fanatics." While they promote loons to ACIP.
They did during major COVID waves
The New York Times has failed as enormously has perhaps any institution in US history. It seems like the Washington Post and the LA Times are just straight-up MAGA Nazi operations. The NYT is just an absolute failure of humanity.
It's called Public Health she is necessary.
By far the most hilarious part of this poll.... is the Vaccine question Respondents were asked, who they most trusted on Vaccines. The #1 answer for Democrats & Independents was "Your Doctor" The #1 answer for Republicans.... "Yourself"
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I'll be generous and say a lot of people will misconstrue that wordy question as "who makes the final decision on whether you get a vaccine?" And obviously most adults do. Some ppl also have severe issues with "giving up control".
To be fair, Independents are well known for their aversion to giving up control & self determination. Yet they still went with “Your doctor”
Good point. I do notice the doctor numbers are similar across the political groups, but the yourself numbers vary a lot. Indies are closer to R than D. Idk, my theory is just part of what's going on.
I hate it here.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!!! 😡🤮
‘pro vaccine’ aka ‘not dead’
Not just headline writers. Reporter, too, using "pro-vaccine groups" - and she should know better. What, like, "pro-knowledge groups" "pro-truth groups" "pro-history groups" "pro-reality groups" [I'd say "pro-life," but the nuts have hijacked that one] This is shameful. bsky.app/profile/sher...
Appointments of two quacks should upset any intelligent person. Doctors have disagreements, but it is the training and professional experience that determines if a person is a quack or a doctor. Moreover, vaccines are not all good or all bad. Kennedy is untrained in anything except taking on risks.
NYT - administration’s toady
Like those crazy “pro-gravity” groups.
Also, the uproar won't be over the new members' criticism of scientists and policies but their demonstrated wholesale rejection of widely-acknowledged scientific, statistical, and ethical best practices in medical research.
Regime shorthand for “actual physicians with licenses in good standing”.
Disturbing for sure
When your kid gets whooping cough or measles or any other illness that has a vaccine stay the fuck out of the emergency room call RFK in the middle of the night when your child is so sick. Same with covid patients who denied the disease but when they couldn’t breath ran to the emergency room.
My grandson is profoundly disabled from a virus he caught in utero, cytomegalovirus. He will never walk, talk, feed himself, toilet himself, tell us he loves us A vaccine has been under development. That is now likely halted Unimaginable tragedy and loss Fuck Trump, RFK and the entire GOP
Hugs to you, your grandson, and family. They don't get what can happen.
If you're saying the Republicans don't get what can happen, they do get it. They simply do not care.
Do they not care, or are they actively working to destroy our country under the direction of Krasnov and Putin?
I only hire from pro polio groups. Those pro measles groups are shady. Pro rubella is not ok, but pro whooping cough folks are a gas.
False fucking equivalence by the New York Times yet again. If Earth was attacked by space aliens hell-bent on our eradication, the NYT would run a headline like: “Space Aliens pose no threat, says Space Aliens spokes-creature; critics disagree” Take a fucking side. Grow a Backbone NYT.
The herd immunity people are running the place now. Best stock up on masks. Wait, those are getting banned too, right? Well then, say g'bye to the elders and infirm. The eugenics era has begun.
🖕🏻the NY Times. They are in business to provide the deflection that Taco47 wants.
But this isn't just about a group of writers. The real story is who is allowing these writers to write these things but more importantly why? Only then will you understand what lies behind what is truly happening. It's happening here in the UK too. It used to be called the softly softly approach.
c/experts/"experts" /
The @nytimes.com shows its propaganda leanings. When it presents RFK, Jr., and the Trump regime (and every Republican in Congress, including the so-called physicians) as the "anti-science" and "pro-death" fools they are, then the New York Times might be worth reading again.
Normalizing insanity is how we got here. This all should have ended with “grab em by the …”
Speeding towards everyone thinking Gatorade is good for plants.
Have I said fuck the NYT yet today? I guess I have now!
It's all about undermining confidence and bringing Social coordination and control into question. It creates confusion and anxiety. Masking any exchange of liberty and 'rights' worth doing in exchange for the Safety of 'Order and Control', simple and sensible,and arrogance seems like confidence!
It's remarkable folks still subscribe
Is “pro-vaccine group” like “reality-based community“?
If you’re curious if the NYTIMES has always been pro fascism, check their coverage from the 30s and 40s, it’s an eye opener.
OFGS. "Pro-vaccine groups" = "doctors, nurses, medical experts"... and people who don't want to die of preventable diseases...
NYT being typically pathetic in their reporting... There is no "pro-vaccine" groups, only sensible people who don't like to see children and the vulnerable suffer from preventable illnesses on one side and anti-vax nutcases on the other side.
They’d never call RFK Jr’s side “pro-disease,”
Double jeopardy, Trump imposing his dominance on Los Angeles and blue state cities and RFK Jr. trying to kill us with bleach injections... I may have autism, but I will get that Japanese firehouse job one way or another! If we have to slip across the border for vaccine shots we'll do so!
The enemy within was always him
old proverb: May the headline writers have enormous success and buy homes with 10 bedrooms and may they roll from bed to bed because of the POX they will get due to lack of seriousness.
Really bad!!!
"Kennedy appointees to draw criticism from germ theory believers"
The “physician senator” who approved Kennedy because he said they’d work closely together - how’s that working out?
NY Times fun house Liberalism. Where all sides are due not only a hearing, all sides deserve respect. I don't recall any NY Times story about astronomers or geologists being pro round earth.
… or pro-gravity physicists, pro-photosynthesis farmers… Good grief.
The NYT has turned to the Dark Side. No longer unbiased. No longer reliable. I canceled my subscription. Ditto WaPo. CNN, ABC ... MSM has derailed.
The stupidity just keeps growing god I hope we can get thru these dark times
What's next? Pro-reality?
The NYT is staunchly against pro-reality groups
‘experts’
Eff @nytimes.com They sold out democracy for clicks and access.
These are the real pro-life people. They're trying to keep as many of us on this side of the dirt (or the crematorium) as possible. From before conception to our last breath and sometimes afterward if they can spread our parts to save others.
There is no Pro-Vaccine group Just normal scientists And weirdos
Trump might be right…the NYT is failing as a newspaper.
Pro vaccine and anti polio works for me. FDR wouldn’t tolerate this bullshit
Good lord
Bet the work for Clorox and Duracell.
At least call them "anti-death" physicians...
Pro-sanity groups
If pro vaccine means pro disease mitigation then fuxk yeah. Why are Republicans so gross and pro-disease?
It’s why I canceled the NYT. They’re part of the problem.
I noticed that shit too. They should call them "pro-life" and "pro-death" , like "climate change fanatics" and "those who live in denial and continue to make big bucks off the carbon economy".
@nytimes.com watch it. Get your act together or I’m cancelling.
Exactly why I got my COVID booster last fall and pneumovax.
pro-life?
Remember, Trump threw a lot of money at Moderna to develop an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19
Dear defenders of NYT, please just don’t. Many people are going to die because your outlet doesn’t want to alienate the people trying to kill us.
Most of us are alive because our grandparents & great-grandparents took small pox, polio & other vaccines. Jus sayin
Times delivering us further down the road of fascism.
The NYT is not journalism any more. It’s a corporation pandering to the fascist regime
The flat earthers think this is their chance to time travel back in history.
I wish the dumb bastards would travel somewhere, anywhere away from the sentient world.
Mars comes to mind.
We've both-sides'ed ourselves into having plague rats running state policy.
WTAF
The @nytimes.com is a willing participant in the fascist coup being enacted.
False equivalence to the very end.
Pro vaccine? How about pro life. NYT does it again.
the @nytimes.com has made the shift…they are no longer THE independent source for news, no longer the printed bastion of liberalism. they are now just another “how would he want us to say it”… there was a time when they were where you went for the story, no longer. now weak and afraid…
And Brainworm Bob’s picks are “experts” at what, exactly? Likely world-class bullshit.
"anti-death groups"
A small, loosely banded group of people claiming to be involved in the medical field.
NYT is owned by the billionaire investor class. They do not want a well-informed populace. Do not give NYT your money (either directly via subs or indirectly via ads/page views). Support independent journalism instead.
Not only that but when they say "Biden administration's Covid vaccine policies" as a stand-in for basic things like masking, stay-at-home orders, and vaccination pushes, they're talking about policies that Trump implemented. They've disappeared Trump's entire Covid response.
How is any reputable doctor NOT a pro-vaccine professional? NY Times staff need to answer why they feel a need to label them at all? Also need to read some history about the wonderful, life saving childhood disease vaccines.
Pro-not killing babies with infectious diseases radical libs
Everyone should be afraid with this fool in charge.
and science based criticism is an uproar.
We're only one step away from the references to defenders of the Constitution as "anti-autocratic groups."
Also known as "scientists."
Holly fuck! We are actually in decline on the civilization curve.
this gem must not have been available youtu.be/EQIYzZWblBo?...
Don’t give him any ideas.
totally fair.
They're as dangerous as "pro-democracy."
Pro medicine and/or science might be a more accurate description.
it's all AI
who is paying them? oh they are afraid little scaredy cats
they are coming for you next this is about the unchecked power of a sociopathic malignant narcissist who will put people who disagree with him in a gas chamber and smile JD said he is america's hitler, he wasn't wrong Pence said not fit he needs to be brought down now
But during the Polio epidemic……….? Today, legacy media should be ignored, they don’t do a public service only service to themselves……🤔
Why is it so hard to say "doctors, scientists and the AMA" instead of deceptive crap?
The Grey Lady died years ago
Heading back to the dark ages.
NPR calls them “critics” of whatever RFK jr is in the news for that day.
More like pro-science, pro-knowlege, not pro-brainworm.
"Uproar from pro-round earth groups as RFK Jr. selects flat earthers"
I no longer read it.
Pro-vaccine groups, otherwise known as educated health experts...
And other people who want kids to survive until adulthood.
They mean scientists.
Why not go with pro-breathing groups?
Recent uproar from pro-round-earthers...
Also, the new appointees are not experts
Just to sow confusion,let's call them pro-life, not pro-vaccine
“Experts”
Holy shit.
They want us dead, starving, sick, jailed, off the street in work camps. Anywhere they can’t see us. Find a protest get loud. Call your reps Everyday and Republican leaders 202-224-3121. Don’t give them peace Tell them to remove Trump by impeachment or treason charges Need help use 5calls.org
The New York Times is an accessory to the murder of this country. May we never forget, and may it go to hell.
Everything that emanates from the dark side of human nature, the very worst that human beings have to offer, is always ass backwards…ALWAYS! “Pro-vaccine groups.” Anyone, not lost in their dark side, would cherish scientific researchers brilliant enough to make life saving vaccines available to all.
Imagine if these brilliant scientists said, we’re not sharing these vaccines with folks of average intelligence. We’ll decide, based on variables we choose, who gets our life saving vaccines. An Orc & his orckettes, running behind him, like brain worm man, get to decide your & your child’s fate!
I could have bet every cent I own that Malone would be on that panel. It's only a matter of time until they say NO vaccine is recommended and preventable disease will run rampant again. What a fucking disaster.
AMA, etc should start calling themselves pro-life, maybe people would start getting vaccinated again
@nytimes.com needs to stop rimming Trumpy.
Oh my God I can't take the idiocracy of it all. Pro vaccine. Well we used to rejoice when we got smarter than the virus that is out there trying to kill us. But I guess viruses are liberal? 🙄🤬
The MSM is truly a pathetic lot. No commitment to truth in reporting, no imagination, and no balls.
bsky.app/profile/rpsa...
Pitchbot's spiking the water cooler again!
This is certainly better, but whoever wrote "pro-vaccine groups" should at the least be off of script approval duties.
No, I would not actually say that saying "Some public health leaders accuse him of breaking his word" is any better! He totally, egregiously, obviously broke his word because at least three of the replacements on his panel are on the public record as notorious, vocal antivax charlatans!
Fuck this worm eater and lover of leeches.