Dear No Voters of Scottish Independence You literally voted to set your Country on fire & to be governed by the worse of us from London If you still don't believe in your own country then l hope you enjoy privatised health care, no human rights, no strong Unions to fight for you & a shite life
cc Brexshit supporters
Oh, that's triggering to go off on another rant just on that alone 😂
There's only so much the Scottish Government can protect us from. No one engaged in normal thinking mode can seriously expect the Scottish Government to offset every piece of shite from Westminster. Aye, l know we're not perfect, but I'll take my Scottish Government any day than that down there
....and yes, to do better at that #ScottishIndependence
....and yes, we have oor morons too
Your argument - essentially "I don't like the current UK government" - is vacuous. It will not persuade people to sit to independence. You know what would? A credible economic plan. But there isn't one.
That's not an economic plan.
It's paper 3 that lays out the economic plan. There are 7 papers, have your read them?
I've already addressed this.
Of course there is. And it’s more believable than any economic plan that would see Scotland prosper as part of a union which has failed it since inception.
Where is it?
www.gov.scot 7 white papers 👍
Dunno, tbh the union’s existed for centuries, so I don’t think there’s ever actually been a plan for Scotland to prosper.
You literally just told me that "of course" there was a plan. Now you say there isn't. 😂
Have another go at that champ
What do you think I got wrong?
Which plan I was referring to in my second post given that my first referenced 2.
Where is the plan for an independent Scotland to prosper? You were fully aware that was what I was referring to. You are deploying smartarsery to avoid answering.
As above, the Scottish government produced an indepth policy document and it can be found at www.gov.scot.
It’s genuinely baffling how you can say, with a presumed straight face, that Scotland is better off staying part of a union that has only ever failed it. 65 countries have left, and not one has asked to rejoin. All, at some stage, were told the very same as you now maintain.
No. It's because Scotland should be a normal country. The UK Government's have sold Scotland out over and over again and used it to extract oil for tax cuts and dole queues. Steel industry gone, Refinery gone, miners smashed. Nukes dumped. Fecking Brexit. UK Economic policy has been a disaster
This not successful Economic Policy. Just another incompetent Chancellor out of her depth probably kept in position by the happy Bankers🙄 All UK families ‘to be worse off by 2030’ as poor bear the brunt, new data warns | Spring statement 2025 | The Guardian share.google/Do2QjWBD86Ys...
This is exactly it. Same as Wales. They should be independent countries, and that means for poorer or for better, no matter what their 'economic plan' is. Instead, we just get whatever corrupt charalatans the bigger country next door votes for.
If it's "for poorer" then why on earth would anyone vote for it?
98% of the World's countries are independent. I want to live in one too. One that votes for it's own Government (however good or bad they are). Currently I don't have that. I get labelled a nationalist looney for these views.
The UK is an independent country! By exactly the same standard as you are judging all the others. If independence makes us poorer, harming people’s lives, why on earth would you want that?
A nation(s) within a country is moronic though. I don't want to be part of the UK / Britain, you need to understand that. It stands for all the things I despise. The answer is, I'd rather be poorer and in an independent country that gets whatever government it voted for, than what we have now.
Again, "UK governments have been bad" isn't an argument for independence, it's an argument for better governments. Independence does not deliver better governments.
Er, sorry, but to be screwed over and over again by successive UK Governments is a motivation and a genuine reason for independence. No paper on Scottish Economic Policy would be acceptable to ultra unionists for a case on Scottish Independence. Independence can deliver a better Government.
No, that's nothing more than Brexit thinking. If there's no credible argument for *why and how* independence would improve people's lives then it's not going to be persuasive, because people have seen what happens when you vote for a pig in a poke like that, and it's been a disaster.
Dear Indi supporting @shortbreadfairy.bsky.social Well you've *really* convinced me with that well reasoned argument!! All we need to do is believe that independence is the answer to everything and it'll all be alright?
Well, if you prefer to lose your human rights and don't be a magat on this. Losing human rights will happen to all, including you, and not just the people you don't like. The magats in the US are discovering this and, the few who are able to think for themselves, don't like it.
Aye, a retired nurse that when she worked had employment rights backed up by the ECHR and not at he whim of a far right government, which Labour is going to deliver. Talk about pulling up the ladder for oor kids since Reform has voted against all Employment Rights legislation 🙄
This is what irritates me re these non-serious indi posts. I'm a staunch Labour/Scottish Labour supporter. I was a proud member of a Union all my working days. I FULLY support the NHS, employment rights and human rights. A Labour govt will never pull us out of the ECHR!
I've hit nerve but you're being deliberately obtuse, side stepping because The EHCR was drawn up to protect us, ranging from the right not to be tortured and Employment Rights. The far Right want to do away with oor Rights including Employment Rights. I'm sorry you don't think that's important.
It's incredible really because the UK was pretty much instrumental in the ECHR. It's a shame that people see it now as a problem because they want to cause misery to others. People need to accept, it's not the immigrant that is the issue, it's those who enact the policy that caused the immigration.
Sorry @scottishym.bsky.social but I'm not sure who you're aiming your comments to, but to be clear, I agree with you re the ECHR
Didn't realise l had to address a post like a letter with a 'Dear.....whoever'
Susan, I find today that people do not seem to have the capacity to say they were wrong. I am not saying you are, you have your realities around what Labour are. Personally, I would like to see Scotland steer it's own course. Yes, there will be stormy waters, but it will at least be our own boat.
And I respect your view on that, even though it's not my view. I just wonder how indi folks hope to convince by insulting people who are unconvinced. Surely these are the people whose minds they need to change?
You can only change an open mind. Unfortunately to have this requires the personality to be able to say I was wrong. Thing is, isn't independence preferable to fascism or do you think Farage isn't a real threat?
Don't worry, no nerves hit 😉 and I didn't think I was being obtuse. You wrongly accused me of being right wing, and I laid out clearly where I stand. At least we are in full agreement re the importance of the ECHR.
I never accused you of being right wing.
In your previous post you accused me of being 'obtuse' then seemed to be lecturing me re why we should not leave the ECHR? I fully agree that we shouldn't. We are probs both left leaning whose opinions differ when it comes to indi.
Susan, I think we all have more in common than we realise. It would be a shame to lose the future over a few squabbles. Be well, enjoy life and to quote ST 'live long and prosper'.
Well, given that I'm also a massive ST fan, you couldn't have put that better 🖖
What makes you think you have a Labour Government? It's name? These posts you mention, are they irritating because they don't meet your biases? Remember there is no such organisation as Scottish Labour. It's just Labour, directed out of London.
What biases do you think I have? No, it's because it reminds me of the arguments for BREXIT that eejits bought into - nationalist, jingoistic and with no actual facts. Indi's talk like being independent is some sort of end point - "well at least we'll have our sovereignty (sound familiar??)
So you're opposed to Scots making g their own decisions and to be able to reapply to Rejoin the EU or at least a trade group. Peculiar 🙄
You are human, for me to state your biases would be wrong. But for you to act like you have none, is also wrong. We are all the product of our experiences and as such have biases based on those experiences. The issue today with facts is that if the reader doesn't agree, they aren't seen as facts.
