Do you really think Vance would be better? Honest question. I'm not trying to start a fight. But I honestly don't think the world will suddenly be a better place if Trump is either dead or impeached and Vance takes over.
Do you really think Vance would be better? Honest question. I'm not trying to start a fight. But I honestly don't think the world will suddenly be a better place if Trump is either dead or impeached and Vance takes over.
R u fucking kidding? The world will definitely be a better place without that festering,hateful POS! Not perfect, but definitely better! Not having to hear him ever talk again or see those puckered lips? Oh yeah!!!
They’ve got plans for military deployments in every major city. They’ve got a Secret Police force masquerading as ICE. They’re positioning to maintain an iron hold on power if Trump dies. If it’s before the midterms, Vance declares Martial Law and cancels the midterms.
Vance couldn’t lead a bunch of drunken MAGAs and a band of Q’Anon Shamans to a beach party in Ft. Lauderdale… the Cabinet would all compete as rivals… yes, it would be a damn fine day if the Mad King vacated the Great Cheeseburger Palace of Florida for a hot, swamp ass place in Hell…
Trump is Putin's bitch but, no, I don't think Peter Theil's bitch would be any better.
Maga would crumble the power vacuum at the top would cause all kinds of infighting. It would be glorious to watch eat each other alive
I don’t think Vance would capture the cultists with his snide Yale Law degree speak. The party will splinter and fracture. As odd as it is they follow and believe Trump, I don’t see them enthusiastically following couch lover.
Sure, but we have to celebrate the small victories along the way.
Ain’t nobody respect, much less fear, JD Vance. Congress might just find its spine again when pissbaby Vance starts trying to patronize them. He just doesn’t have the juice to maintain the personality cult. Much less likely to get away with all the shit Trump does.
the world would be a little bit better because Trump would be dead
I agree...although it would annoy the hell out of me that he was never brought to justice for his crimes,misdemeanors and behaviour.
yeah i mean ideally he would be rotting in a cell
What you wanna try his corpse and execute him again? There’s precedent
Vance and the rest of the clown court have negative charisma. Something happening to the Felon in Chief means there's an immediate power vacuum. Vance doesn't have the political capital to finish the job of going full fascist in the states.
But I guess we’ll get to find out the answer to the question “what does Peter Thiel really want?”
Personally I think it would eventually get better for two reasons: Vance has to a large extent been playing a kiss Trump's ass role (as have pretty much all of them) and he's not seen as a messiah to the moronic base. Sometimes all it takes is one death. Imagine if Hitler had died in 1936.
I agree 100%. Trump is a symptom not a cause. The only thing that gives me hope is the fact that Vance is so devoid of character or charisma. Trump has fans. Women, unbelievably, think he’s sexy. I don’t think Smokey eye psychopath JD would enjoy that kind of adulation. That could be damaging.
It will be worse. The off the rails behavior exhibited now allows the replacement to seem like the better more sane person. But the replacement won't pull back on the more dangerous long term policies designed to oppress and cull the masses.
Thiel would probably have Vance pick one of Trump’s kids (except Tiffany) as his VP. That would keep the MAGA base enthralled while giving him 2 completely amoral and extremely pliable “leaders” to manipulate.
Vance, Miller, and Gough would be at each others throats in seconds as they are all well aware they are existential threats to each other. Plus, Orange Bad has something all those other malignant fuck-tumors don’t, which is a weirdly corrupt but nonetheless powerful charisma.
Vance does not have the cult following that drumpf has. He's vulnerable and we can use that to undermine him.
Many things will still suck. But the media has a fascination and love for Trump-as-vulgarian that Vance simply cannot pull off. Even if he takes on the mantle of MAGA and attempts to be the Stalin to Trump's Lenin, the movement collapses without Trump pushing it, (see: Epstein backlash).
We'll still have fascists and antivaxxers and centrists eager to use transphobia to justify tax cuts or whatever and all manner of ugly things. But the media's specialest golden boy won't be around for them to debase themselves before, and the conservatives might implode in an orgy of power-grabs.
I don't think he would be any better, but at least there would be one fewer of them.
valid point
Thanks.
It’d be just as bad but he doesn’t have the same cult magnetism so I suspect he’d struggle
he’s peter thiel’s pet project. peter thiel and the billionaire oligarchy are pulling the strings. not trump, not vance. the heritage foundation, palantir, and all the technofascists are gearing up for a total culling of the population. (not even a conspiracy—they’ve said it out loud.)
Right. The cult will dwindle and Congress will get its balls back
Straight up rizzless
Many people are saying
He'll def struggle, &you will see a breakdown of the magat cult. They are about to go thru some things. I'm serious when I say many won't survive it. They've made a god out of him, &some will take their own lives. Others will have a hard time coping &supporting a replacement Gunna be interesting :D
Agree
yeah basically this. policy wouldn't change, but trump manages to avoid backlash from his base even as his acts directly harm them, because they worship him. they don't worship vance, so the admin wouldn't get away with stuff anymore, at least not as much
And he doesn’t have the backing of Congress. If he threatens to primary a resisting politician it would not have any big effect
A flailing admin is cornered animal territory and might try to escalate to hold on to power. I have my doubts they could hold the line though.
Fingers crossed they'll be too busy eating each other alive to effectively carry out their policy agenda
We're getting there either way and I'd rather Vance the one getting cornered.
Mango Mussolini was used as cover for the Heritage Foundation’s fascist wishlist P25, which JD CouchHumper was directly involved in. The pieces are in place for their neo-feudalism: Safety net shredded. NeoNazis kidnapping people in the streets. The Legislature & SCrotUS neutered.
Truly believe the base would blame Vance for the exact things they support/ignore with Trump. They will say things like "Trump would never send the military onto American Streets" and "Trump would have released the Epstein files".
Yes and they'll probably descend into a conspiracy about how Vance took him out so he could take over bc trump was trying to stop all of it. Only way they can get themselves around and out of the mess they know they unleashed
We can start the rumor (conspiracy) that it was all Vance, Heritage foundation plot.
Well, we know this was Peter Thiel's plan for Jethro Dull all along. 😉
“Jethro Dull” 🤣pretty perfect
😂 jethro dull .... it's just so easy
Exactly. Has anyone checked in with Q?
Oh god, that would become really active again! We humans are very good at rationalizing stuff. Sigh.
Speaking of Peter Theil, what do you all think of this? Truly bonkers. www.christianpost.com/news/palanti...
He's so proud of his "Christian faith" that it's off the record, eh? Wonder how he talks himself around Leviticus 20:13. Oh, and of course he interprets the tenth commandment as "Don't look up or around, serfs, or you might notice you're being robbed blind"
Jethro Dull!! I am dying! 🤣🤣💀
Every tech job Thiel pushed couch boy into, landed up getting rid of him in a year or less
Absolutely, but Thiel backed a most unpopular and gormless guy. He has no base, no backing, no friends, no pull. If he becomes president, he will fail spectacularly, Thiel or no Thiel.
Right. It's surprising a mentally insane incel eugenics freak would not have his finger on the pulse when picking his leader
Let's be clear, Thiel is NOT an 'incel': he is gay. That's what the Hulk Hogan lawsuit he funded was about. Gawker outed him, so it needed punishment. The Ernst Röhm of our age. Let's hope.
I think JD is the perfect sycophant but Thiel mistook that for leadership. Being obedient to Thiel does not play well for a nation. Big difference.
He straight up thinks Trump is Hitler and his fans are stupid. So maybe it's all the long con.
Maybe - but he is not bright. Being a perfect toady to the billionaire does not make him a good president since he thinks everyone should just fall in line, and they won't.
The part they've miscalculated is that we're NOT 1939 Germany. This is still America and we're a hugely diverse country with much more #People#Power #FightCorruption #StopFascism locally
Gd, I hope you’re correct.
I know! It's delightful, isn't it?
I believe this too. But then again, I never in a million years would have imagined the fealty and cult of personality directed at a creepy, old, delusional, incoherent, incompetent con man either.
👆🏼💯
Oh my God, I love Jethro Dull as his new name so much. He’s Jethro Dull for me until the one of us croaks.
Me considering starting an alt right account on Twitter solely to start/spread “Vance did it” conspiracy theories after he dies…
Please do.
Bingo
Here to say exactly that: trump is a lot of awful things, but there's no denying he has a charisma the MAGAs respond to that no one else in their camp has even come close to replicating (no surprise considering they're all a bunch of fascist, a**-kissing ghouls). If JD becomes prez, he'll flail.
And there might be enough GOP members of the House and Senate not willing to sell their souls for the blowfish couch fucker.
Everything changes the second Trump is gone. There is no one in the Republican party to replace him, and certainly not JD Vance of all un-charismatic hateable fat assholes.
That's partly true. Flip side: Is it too late, or do they need Trump for another year? Maybe they don't need popular approval because there aren't going to be normal events any more. So Peter Thiel doesn't care what anyone thinks of Vance. Voters have been boxed in, he hopes. Musk will help.
Yes but suddenly the party becomes nothing but scheming advisors all looking for power.
MAGA at least falls into disarray once the cult leader is gone
I don't know. I think there's a chance it would be as bad or worse, but also a really good chance MAGA will just collapse like a house of cards once Trump and his weird cult leader-like charisma is gone.
Vance doesn’t have the rabid supporters that his current boss has… so I think that when Vance gets his chance, it won’t last long and he won’t be that effective. He’s genuinely unpopular.
It would start a free fall and things will be a mess. There's no one that can hold the Republicans together like Trump can. They all hate Vance. My guess is there would be much backstabbing. Others suddenly fighting to get the power back they rescinded. Vance is weak and incredibly unlikable.
No world leader or business leader is going to come over and give Vance gifts and such up to him. The Cabinet is not going to Senate him with how wonderful he is.
Chubs is a pussy ass bitch with no sauce. The base hates him. I'd happily make that trade
Vance will be somewhat worse on policy than Generic Republican, mostly because of Internet Brain. He'll get much less of a rubber stamp from courts and Congress though, limiting him to mostly Generic Republican bad ideas.
Lack of cult—easier to get past him
This
no. and that's the problem, they've stacked the entire government.
Between the two realities, Trump dying is 100× better than any alternative, besides maybe democracy working again.
Right. What we need is to have him removed for treason and the whole cabinet goes with him. Then he can die or not. Whatever.
I don’t think Vance has the same charismatic hold over MAGA as trump. The billionaires may keep him propped up. Johnson is a shrewd little weasel, but not popular, either. May be my wishful thinking. It’s truly been a nightmare.
I'll say this. If Republicans think they're going to lose the mid-terms badly, it makes sense to dump Trump before then in order to be able to secure their preferred VP appointee. Otherwise they might end up with a compromise pick who's not necessarily a reliable Senate tie-breaker.
It will be a better place for about a week, because the world wide street party will be insane.
No!!!!!
Vance is an awkward dolt, with absolutely no social skills. Remember when he was incapable of making small talk with donut shop employees on the campaign trail? He’s DeSantis level awkward, & won’t be able to keep the cult going…creepy too.
No doubt he's planning bad things. Thus, I call him JD of Gilead. He doesn't have the clout or influence Turd has. Congress wouldn't just rubber stamp every P2025/Thiel thing out of the WH; and they'll tear themselves up in wing fights once the reps start losing elections at the state level.
I don’t believe everyone would capitulate to Vance, so yes it would be better.
if he does die the remaining administration will be inevitably weakened. they lied and covered things up. vance doesn’t have the same hold over people. the policies remain awful but without the cult of personality the wheels will start to come off the bus and sycophants will start jumping ship
When the leader of the cult dies, the cult is never the same. They’ll try, but it won’t be the same.
No, but they could make him a innocent saintly martyr hounded to death by the Deep State and the Radical Left. Martyrs are good business in many way 😏
Vance does not have the weird, unfounded, "charisma" "it factor" that Trump has with his MAGA cult. Cults generally don't outlive their leaders. And YES..100% the world will suddenly be a better place.
He won’t be better, but he doesn’t have the cultish following (yet). Vance also doesn’t seem to have the press subservience so we might be able to see honest reporting on his heinous actions. Vance will be in way over his head and the GOP will start fighting each other to control him. 🍿
There would still be problems but yes the world would definitely be a better place.
The last string of hope I've got is that when he's gone, they won't be able to find a new cult leader. Vance can be a rubber stamp for the Heritage foundation, but I doubt he'll be able to command and control the masses the way Trump does.
I agree from what I've seen, MAGA isn't all that enamored with Vance. Having Thiel that close to the oval is effed up, but will Vance have the means to keep the GOP in lockstep? Does he have the same access to the carrots, the whips and the kompromat?
Yeah, I just can't see all the Republicans supplicating themselves for Vance. At worst, he'd be a figurehead with the same people actually running the country as are now (Theil et al).
I actually think he put the worst people in charge because they're also basically clown-car figureheads who are replaceable if the clamoring gets loud enough without disrupting the damage that's being done by the P2025 crowd.
I think you're entirely right. I would guess that about half of the crazy crap coming out of the administration is Trump's insane whims, with the really serious stuff coming from Project 2025. It's painfully easy to give Trump an idea and make him think he came up with it. He's a fascist puppet.
Vance even more so! He has no ideas of his own and he knows the only reason he's where he's at is because of the people he's going to have to serve. Which is definitely not the American people.
It may not be better or worse. It'll just be different. After almost 10 years of this, I'm ready for change! If someone's going to kidnap Americans or start a war, then say it in full sentences! At least we won't have MAGAts telling us how great he is or cabinet members singing his praises!
Cults of personality don’t survive when the leader goes, no one storming the Capital for the B team left behind.
The only difference is Donald has a cult, Vance does not
OMG...I just can't
Vance doesn’t have the power or the following of Trump. Members of Congress wouldn’t be afraid to tell him to kick rocks, the way they’re afraid of Trump. There wouldn’t be an enabling front for the autocracy. They’d be much weaker, much more disorganized. All of that is better than the status quo.
Impeached. We'd be far better off if he were impeached, removed, and faced charges. Preferably from multiple states too, so next POTUS can't pardon him like the mistake Ford made pardoning Nixon. But then we also need to impeach & remove entire cabinet & every enabler in Congress to try to correct
Look, we just want something to be happy about, even if it's just for one week.
i am manifesting current and former joint chiefs just giving jd swirlies until he decides to buy an island and boot scoot out
It definitely wouldn’t be better, but he doesn’t have the support from the rabid maga base.
I just hope he doesn’t pick Steven Millers as his VP. 🤮
I predict that with Trump gone, the center will not hold. They’ll be at each others’ throats in a heartbeat, and Vance will never keep a grip on MAGA.
That would be great. I worry that the Trump family will rally around Vance with full support so he will have the cash and the name behind him. A far right, power hungry loon with a little more brain than Trump would be far more dangerous than this narcissistic fool.
Donny jr as vp?
Yuck.
Because it’s so disgusting he’s probably high on their list
I think the family and Trump Inc. will collapse without him.
Except the Trump family has no real cash. It's all crypto. I honestly didn't think MAGA is going to follow his kids. They are their father without the charisma.
But he’s not the cult leader they worship.
The MAGA machine will spin it as the dear leader’s final wish. Can’t rest until all these people are ousted and/or in prison.
Couch fucker already cant go anywhere without being harassed. Imagine his life when the magats turn. He's nothing to them. bsky.app/profile/vict...
I doubt they like him either or would care
In terms of his goals? No if vance was allowed to do all he wants he'd be worse. But I think he lacks the weight Trump has in the party. I think he'd be unable to pull off the same cult leader energy.
Vance doesn't have the clout to do it.
Imagine what slimy Fox News MAGA coprophagist he'll pick for his VP
My money is on Naziferatu Miller.
😱
He'd be at least as evil, but more stable. You wouldn't see weird tariff prices jumping about, but you'd still see all the money going to the rich.
It would be the Game of Thrones battle to be the Republican king. We just need the Man of Many Faces to deliver us from evil.
I believe Vance would be slightly better, he's not near the same level of narcissist as trump is. (Was🤞) Sure, he's an extremist and sure, he fucked a couch that one time, but he's a bit more self-aware and doesn't have a hero complex.
The main difference between Trump and Vance would be that the Trump cult do not love JD. A GOP member or Senator could defy him without getting death threats etc. He couldn't just break all of their conventions and expect Congress to nod the Trump can.
A lot of people voted for the turd because they like him. I don’t think Vance has that appeal at all.
I've never understood Trump's charisma, but Vance doesn't have it.
One hundred percent. I am reminded of all his pathetic events during the election where the media outnumbered the public. And that's with Peter Thiel spending a bucket load of cash trying to boost his popularity.
Me either because it’s not the type that appeals to me, but it does appeal to a lot of’ let’s say lowest common denominator types. They see him as a successful self-made man who speak the truth. All lies. That TV show has a lot to answer for.
It has a huge amount to answer for but I think reality TV (so called) has been a big contributor to where we are. Shows that glorify lying, cheating and backstabbing and are about a faked image shifts people's perceptions. Not just in America by the way.
The polling says that he is unpopular even with the Magas and he has the personal warmth of a Velociraptor. No one is buying a giant Vance flag for their truck or boat and no one is going to be walking around with Vance tattoos.
Not even with the beard.
😁 Especially with the beard.
I believe the beard's name is Usha?
Lmao
🤣
She always looks so miserable and the children look like accessories purchased for the outings. Like the stunt with the dog.
That's what I would consider a good thing. MAGA doesn't like Vance. Republicans wouldn't follow his commands so readily.
Absolutely agree.
No, but he doesn’t evoke the same blind loyalty. Dissension in the GOP would slow down the evil.
Could be, and I really hope you're right 😁
Republican infighting would begin immediately, MAGA vs the McConnell/Thune wing, splitting and weakening the power base of the party
Not better but weakened. The base doesn’t follow him like a cult. Republicans would feel less subordinate to Vance.
No one cared that Trump liked to grab little girls by the pussy, so I'm sure JD grabbing little boys by the penis won't bother them. The church of MAGA welcomes all perverts and deviants and pedophiles.
No. He has the personality of a fence post and the political acumen of a cabbage
Yes. He couldn't be mob boss and intimidate Congress as Trump does. Vance doesn't have a cult following. Plus, he's complicit in Trump's treasonous crimes without presidential immunity. The entire cabinet has to go when Trump goes.
JD “Just Dance” Vance is not going to be better, but he’s definitely not someone MAGA cult will embrace wholeheartedly to replace the Orange One, and that a good thing. MAGA cult needs to be broken and disbanded, and I think they’ll create AI image of Trump to keep it together after he’s dead.
I promise it will :) Vance would be an instant lame duck.
He is a wildly hateable bag of skin. It seems even moron MAGAts find him obnoxious. Just how much power does Peter Thiel truly have?
Agreed. I think Thiel will go the same way that Musk did. The current President is anomalous in his appeal to so many.
I don't think Trump's power over the entire republican party, scotus, billionaires, etc. comes from his "irresistible personality", I think it comes from what is in the Epstein (and Diddy's?) case files, & probably applies to some old liberals too. Because the former makes no sense.
Vance doesn't have the cult following, so (hopefully) he won't be able to steamroll all over the constitution as much. I also think that the power vacuum will create extra fighting, which will slow down the evil. Maybe.
Yes. I agree about the power vacuum...
Yes. Because he lacks the cult of personality. He's just as vile, and he can be well spoken, but he isn't a Brand the way Trump is, therefore won't have as tight of a grip on the base and coalition. It's the difference between being vile implementing vile. Vance will back off some things.
I think your analysis is spot on. Plus, Vance will be easier to control. Trump is such a loose cannon his handlers are never quite sure what he will say or do. Vance will follow his marching orders. Like you say about Trump being a brand, Vance won't command the same rabid loyalty from the base.
And by "some things" I don't mean the transphobia, but there will be market stability and the Mass Deportations will look a little different. It'll be putting some guardrails in place.
I think the world will be a better place when Trump is dead or in jail. Just objectively better. Whether America will be in a better place with someone who isn't senile, stupid and lazy but who is still actively evil and has the energy and drive to carry it out is debatable.
Vance is going to want to do every terrible thing Trump is doing, but he will get the pushback Trump never did, because the Congressional Republicans that don't like a lot of what Trump is doing and only go along because of fear aren't going to be afraid of Vance because he doesn't control the cult.
If he's actually gone some folks might finally develop a spine and clean out the rest of the festering pus
honestly, i think Vance(thiel) is scarier, cuz he's a better liar than trump. to stupid people, he actually sounds smart. buuuutttttttt, i think maga will eat him alive for being a wimp & for being married to Usha.
counterpoint: the world will be objectively a better place if he dies
vance is nothing more than a puppert for peter thiel and the heritage foundation. it will indeed be far scarier. but something's gotta give.
No, he’s horrible. But they’ll all fight to take over the mantle and the base will splinter and factions devour each other. It’s why they’re trying to get as much power locked down as they can because GOP uncivil war is coming.
Fingers crossed that it could help break up some of the cult of personality around the orange demon.
I don't think Vance is going to be next - my gut is telling me Steve Miller will be or one of his sons Don or Eric to keep the name going - I think Eric....
Definitely not better, but the cult leader would be gone. No one will rally behind Vance.
I think Vance (with his 200 days of "experience") will be a lovely puppet for Thiel. But Thiel isn't the only oligarch with fingers into this regime and I would guess they would be arguing this out until they are ready to announce it. If not, it's Night of the Long Knives 2.0 and Vance is Röhm.
Which is NOT a good role to have in the drama!
Vance is an instant scapegoat for the failure of the Big Beautiful Bill to make things better for them in particular. The cult of personality will likely falter because Vance lacks the weird charisma that 🍊 has. Beyond that, things overall get WAY more fascist, way faster.
I’ve been thinking about this…would it be better after the midterms when (hopefully) a democrat is speaker of the house and becomes VP vs Mike Johnson?
But no one is afraid of what kompromat Vance may have. Lindsey Graham, for one, would be less stressed.