WWE is an awful, terrible company. But at some point, the fed-pilled talent must take some responsibility. They underpay because they can. When huge stars like Stephanie Vaquer & Mariah May take big paycuts to leave AEW, I can't blame WWE.
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That fed cult pull is STRONG.
aug 26, 2025, 2:15 pm • 6 0 • view
Finally, someone besides me is saying it. Professional wrestlers seem to lack self-preservation instincts and care more about making money for their bosses than themselves.
aug 26, 2025, 8:32 pm • 2 0 • view
aug 26, 2025, 2:09 pm • 10 0 • view
I understand Stéphanie wanting to move away as far as possible from the CMLL world. But Mariah, she had everything, she threw it all away, her name, her identity, to be devellopemental. It's terrible.
aug 26, 2025, 7:21 pm • 4 0 • view
And now Stephanie`s working for a company that employs her abuser's brother (Sanson) and cousins (Forastero and Mascara Ano 2000 jr)... As well as two addtl domestic abusers in Alberto El Patron and Mecha Wolf 451. 😂
aug 26, 2025, 7:48 pm • 3 0 • view
Bingo. Stephanie's WWE dream led her to run from her abuser into a company with an ongoing culture of abuse.
aug 27, 2025, 12:27 am • 1 0 • view
I think it is like the Real Madrid situation in Association Football. When you were younger your favourites played there and that's what made you start training. Sadly it makes you blind to any exploitation surrounding it and your fans will reject your decision and think of you as a fraud for it
aug 26, 2025, 3:44 pm • 4 0 • view
It's definitely similar to that, but if you were a star that Real Madrid wanted, Real Madrid would pay you accordingly.
aug 26, 2025, 3:45 pm • 3 0 • view
Mbappé was paid more in PSG, the club of the city he grew up in, but he still went to Madrid. The situation is similar.
aug 26, 2025, 7:23 pm • 1 0 • view
They have asked players to run down their contracts so they don't have to pay a reasonable transfer fee. I am not sure about the player's wage but I think it is similar to their previous wage
aug 26, 2025, 3:49 pm • 1 0 • view
Interesting.
aug 26, 2025, 3:51 pm • 1 0 • view
I used my job at McDonald's to get to BK which is where I always wanted to be. Why do y'all want people to stay somewhere they don't want to be?
aug 26, 2025, 10:58 pm • 0 0 • view
Did you take a paycut to work at McDonalds? If you did, I'd make fun of you too.
aug 26, 2025, 11:27 pm • 2 0 • view
I think it’s good they underpay people and i hope they continue to do it more and more. No one who works there should get any sympathy.
aug 26, 2025, 9:36 pm • 2 0 • view
yup. if they're basic enough that they just pick the biggest company, that's on them.
aug 26, 2025, 3:49 pm • 3 0 • view
Actions have consequences. It sucks that none of them seem to have someone in their lives to tell them that staying with the Fed is a net negative.
aug 26, 2025, 4:53 pm • 1 0 • view
This topic makes me want to peek 10-15 years into the future to see how the dynamic shifts. At a certain point, WWE nostalgia will no longer be a major factor for younger talent who also had AEW as an option growing up. What will AEW nostalgia look like? What other promotions will be new contenders?
aug 26, 2025, 4:39 pm • 13 0 • view
Stephanie Vaquer was never contracted to AEW. And if Mariah May took a paycut, and presumably was happy to - then that says more about AEW's failures than it does about WWE. Business is business.
aug 26, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Professional wrestlers signing with WWE or AEW reflects poorly on AEW. Those are the rules.
aug 26, 2025, 8:25 pm • 1 0 • view
lol wut? that is the literal opposite of the situation. they both "dreamed" of working for the company built by a rapist & turned down six-figures every year to do so.
aug 26, 2025, 3:41 pm • 5 0 • view
WWE literally told Vaquer to take the AEW offer because it was so much higher than their off. Vaquer then cried about it & still took the lowball offer. That's not business, at all.
aug 26, 2025, 3:41 pm • 4 0 • view
It absolutely is. You wanna work here? That's the salary. She chose. How is that not business?
aug 26, 2025, 3:45 pm • 1 0 • view
Also, if they told her to take the money, and she chose not to, then AEW are clearly doing something wrong if they can't get top talent to work for them with massive salaries.
aug 26, 2025, 3:47 pm • 0 0 • view
Thats one of the dumbest things ever written. Congrats. Sit the next few out, champ.
aug 26, 2025, 3:50 pm • 13 0 • view
Yes, they have committed the grave sin of not indoctrinating modern workers into their cult via decades of propaganda beginning in their childhoods.
aug 26, 2025, 4:11 pm • 8 0 • view
What? The feng shui is bad?
aug 26, 2025, 4:14 pm • 1 0 • view
Ah yes AEW made the huge mistake of not being around when these people were children lol
aug 26, 2025, 4:08 pm • 9 0 • view
I'm not sure what children have to do with it? As an adult, you make your own informed decisions
aug 26, 2025, 6:40 pm • 0 0 • view
This is only true if money is the only motivator in choosing where you work. Anyone who's had multiple opportunities knows this isn't the case, especially when it's something involving fandom (sports, video games, etc). It also ignores the MANY top talents that HAVE chosen to work for AEW over WWE.
aug 26, 2025, 4:22 pm • 2 0 • view
That's kind of my point. OP says that WWE are at fault for underpaying, but if the talent has two offers, then surely it's up to them which one they choose. That's just simple business. Don't like the salary? Don't work there. Simple.
aug 26, 2025, 6:39 pm • 0 0 • view
OP literally says "I cannot blame WWE".
aug 26, 2025, 7:00 pm • 1 0 • view
Actually OP said WWE is a terrible company but is putting onus on the workers for taking the low ball offers.
aug 26, 2025, 7:00 pm • 1 0 • view
They're adults. It's their decision. So what you're saying is, OP made a post about absolutely nothing.
aug 26, 2025, 7:45 pm • 0 0 • view
No im saying you arent reading what he said and just spouting off.
aug 26, 2025, 7:47 pm • 1 0 • view
Well then, they were clearly happy to do that. I don't see how that's on WWE?
aug 26, 2025, 3:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Can you not read? I am blaming the talent.
aug 26, 2025, 3:50 pm • 0 0 • view
But they haven't done anything wrong? And neither have WWE by the sounds of it. 🤷♂️
aug 26, 2025, 6:41 pm • 0 0 • view
They take massive pay cuts because they somehow think "exposure" from a company like WWE is more important than morals.
aug 26, 2025, 3:36 pm • 13 0 • view
It's not just the "exposure," it's that they get to be the kid who lives out their WrestleMania moment. Never mind that moment isn't guaranteed. Never mind that moment is increasingly declining in value due to oversaturation and decreasing quality. Never mind they use that to lowball your contract.
aug 26, 2025, 4:40 pm • 12 0 • view
Mariah May passed up doing the Hollywood Ending in front of 30,000 people in Texas and likely a high profile spot on the show that set the new attendance record at the O2 so she could work 7 minute matches with TNA talent in front of a crowd full of gooners.
aug 26, 2025, 4:48 pm • 16 1 • view
Aka person took a job they wanted.
aug 26, 2025, 5:05 pm • 2 0 • view
Aka you can find plenty of posts from me saying Mariah going to WWE would be a good career move for her. Unfortunately, I forgot that WWE loves kneecapping their talent to waste their career, keep them trapped in their ecosystem, and tell them they're lucky to be there.
aug 26, 2025, 5:08 pm • 6 0 • view
Yes. She was stupid to, but she did, that's true.
aug 26, 2025, 5:07 pm • 6 0 • view
Nah its not stupid. If you want to switch jobs and are in a position to do so more power to ya.
aug 26, 2025, 5:09 pm • 0 0 • view
They took the departing recent world champion of another promotion and turned her into a body-shaming cartoon clown intentionally made indistinguishable from a hundred other bottle blondes they have in the warehouse. It was stupid as fuck.
aug 26, 2025, 5:10 pm • 7 0 • view
They took everything that made her special and hucked it in the garbage to make her just another of their gaggle of goofs to be gooned over.
aug 26, 2025, 5:14 pm • 6 0 • view
Really? Her gimmick is a near copy and paste job from her AEW gimmick. If you hate her current gimmick, why the outrage over her leaving the almost identical one.
aug 26, 2025, 5:15 pm • 0 0 • view
I wouldn't be caught dead watching NXT, so I hope she's having fun.
aug 26, 2025, 6:20 pm • 1 0 • view
It's because WWE already had their Mariah. They already had their bleach blonde bimbo character. And that's Tiffany. THAT is why her character in WWE isn't special. For the last few years the NXT women's division has solely been women that they can goon over regardless of actual talent.
aug 26, 2025, 7:41 pm • 1 0 • view
Taking a pay cut to be less successful and work for a company that historically has not been very kind to women is in fact.
aug 26, 2025, 7:39 pm • 1 0 • view
And the thing is, even if Mariah eventually have a match at wrestlemania one day, it can never surpass winning the championship in Wembley Stadium in her home city ! She already had her "wrestlemania moment" but she does not realize it yet.
aug 26, 2025, 7:14 pm • 3 0 • view
Even if she gets that moment she'll realize right then and there that it was nothing compared to how she felt winning the title at Wembley.
aug 26, 2025, 7:38 pm • 2 0 • view
Weird, I was gonna comment something similar to this.
aug 26, 2025, 3:37 pm • 1 0 • view
I know why they take the paycut - but it's an insanely stupid reason. AEW is also on national tv. AEW also plays to big stadiums. And AEW wrestlers can still get movie roles.
aug 26, 2025, 3:39 pm • 2 0 • view
indoctrination overrides common sense….lol I watched WWE tell me over and over again what they think of me and my kind for 30 plus years….I just stopped watching…sometimes things get into your system and it’s hard to get rid of it….. it’s almost as natural as breathing.
aug 26, 2025, 4:35 pm • 2 0 • view
They were always shitty but I stuck with until I found a wrestling company that actually fit what I wanted from a wrestling company.
aug 26, 2025, 4:38 pm • 3 0 • view
I really tried to continue watching WWE because there were still people there I enjoyed watching. Sami, KO, Seth, etc. But the last show I watched was the one where the Rock spent the first 45 minutes of the show singing a song about Cody's mom.
aug 26, 2025, 7:43 pm • 0 0 • view
I think I was right around the same time.
aug 26, 2025, 7:45 pm • 0 0 • view
The levels of cringe were just too damn high. I even tried to watch after the Janel Grant lawsuit was launched (though I only watched when certain people were advertised by this point). But man, the quality just went so downhill so fast when Danielson left. And it was already declining before that
aug 26, 2025, 7:48 pm • 1 0 • view
It was declining since they bought WCW/ECW. They didn't even try to make things better but whatever.
aug 26, 2025, 7:50 pm • 0 0 • view
I was too young to remember ECW, even the relaunched WWE one I was young. And I was only a a year old when they bought WCW
aug 26, 2025, 8:16 pm • 0 0 • view
I think they still foolishly believe in "The WrestleMania moment" nonsense.
aug 26, 2025, 3:42 pm • 5 0 • view
The Wrestlemania moment thing doesn't fully explain it because there is always a sense of urgency to get to WWE ASAP at any cost, but WrestleMania isn't going anywhere. It is expanding.
aug 26, 2025, 11:02 pm • 0 0 • view
They want the spotlight and think that's the place to get it.
aug 26, 2025, 11:34 pm • 1 0 • view
That explains why they want to go to WWE generally. It doesn't explain why it has to be right now to the point that they give up any leverage they might have had.
aug 26, 2025, 11:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Because their career can end at any moment. They want to do everything as soon as possible because it could all be over at any time. Which is the one thing I can actually agree with.
aug 27, 2025, 12:00 am • 0 0 • view
That would make sense if these people didn't all spurn WWE for AEW initially. Why not sign with WWE in the first place?
aug 27, 2025, 12:03 am • 1 0 • view
Stupidity of youth?
aug 27, 2025, 12:04 am • 1 0 • view
Because they knew if they did go to WWE right then and there they would have been treated like shit and ended up in AEW after 3-4 years anyway. If you make yourself a big star elsewhere you at least have a shot at being treated as a big deal.
aug 27, 2025, 12:10 am • 0 0 • view
Because they grew up watching WWE. They were led to believe WWE is the end all be all of wrestling because for years it had no major competition.
aug 26, 2025, 7:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Pretty much.
aug 26, 2025, 7:42 pm • 0 0 • view