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Moderately Grouchy @moderately-grouchy.bsky.social

You might hope they did but they didn't 🤷‍♂️

apr 17, 2025, 11:55 pm • 28 1

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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

False imprisonment tort claims are strict liability, unlike 1983 claims which allow for qualified immunity.

apr 18, 2025, 12:04 am • 105 2 • view
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Callista @callistamoonrise.bsky.social

I'm sorry I don't understand the implications of that. Can you help me understand please?

apr 18, 2025, 12:12 am • 7 0 • view
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Moderately Grouchy @moderately-grouchy.bsky.social

"strict liability" means that regardless of the reason you did something or what you believed the circumstances to be, you are responsible for it "Your Honor she even had a fake driver license that said she was 18" Etc

apr 18, 2025, 12:17 am • 2 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

Section 1983 is used to bring cases concerning a violation of a constitutional right. But even if the right is violated officers who did the violation may not be liable if they qualify for immunity, which means the right wasn't "well established" when they did it.

apr 18, 2025, 12:13 am • 32 2 • view
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Callista @callistamoonrise.bsky.social

Thank you!

apr 18, 2025, 12:15 am • 1 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

Usually that means a court hasn't ruled on it yet

apr 18, 2025, 12:13 am • 12 0 • view
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John Norris @jjn22.bsky.social

Does qualified immunity apply if they weren't sworn officers?

apr 18, 2025, 12:19 am • 12 0 • view
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Joseph McGhee @radlegaltakes.bsky.social

No, but they were.

apr 21, 2025, 4:12 am • 1 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

It would apply to anyone acting under "color of law" meaning they had legal authority and used it (improperly) to accomplish what they did

apr 18, 2025, 12:37 am • 1 0 • view
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Taco the Cat @tacothecat.bsky.social

They were and so was the prosecutor (officer of the court) who refused to renegade him.

apr 18, 2025, 12:27 am • 10 0 • view
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Elisse🔹on Maui 🌺 @tempermintpatti.bsky.social

The "may not be liable" could be challenged, though? Also, can't they sue the feds? Wrongful imprisonment or some such?

apr 18, 2025, 12:36 am • 0 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

Right, qualified immunity is a defense and the defendant has to show it applies. There is also the potential for a false imprisonment tort claims instead.

apr 18, 2025, 12:41 am • 7 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

It's waaaaaaay harder to go after a prosecutor.

apr 21, 2025, 4:21 am • 1 0 • view
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Taco the Cat @tacothecat.bsky.social

Release him. Autocorrect is pissing me off.

apr 18, 2025, 12:33 am • 10 0 • view
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clinodev @clinodev.bsky.social

It's a terrifying rule. "The court has never seen an act of vicious cruelty *quite* like this before. This officer has immunity. We strenuously warn that the next officer who uses a belt sander as a compliance tool will not be so lucky, unless they change it up with some pepper spray or something!"

apr 18, 2025, 12:26 am • 3 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

There are 2 issues. 1. As you mention, there's a lot of "thin slicing" to determine what is and isn't ruled on before. 2. The supreme court allows courts to determine immunity before determining the merits, meaning whatever issue continues to not be ruled on.

apr 18, 2025, 12:39 am • 3 0 • view
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clinodev @clinodev.bsky.social

Ah, "Thin-slicing", very interesting, thank you, I was unfamiliar with this!

apr 18, 2025, 12:50 am • 2 0 • view
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Joseph McGhee @radlegaltakes.bsky.social

Don’t claims against federal LE for intentional torts end up running into the FTCA’s “discretionary function” exclusion though? Please tell me I’m wrong.

apr 21, 2025, 4:12 am • 0 0 • view
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Jack Q @jackq.bsky.social

False imprisonment can be intentional or negligence. It depends. And so you'd have to determine if there was discretion or not

apr 21, 2025, 4:20 am • 1 0 • view
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Joseph McGhee @radlegaltakes.bsky.social

Didn’t know that, thanks! As to state officials involved, am I wrong that FL’s “immigration law” is preliminary enjoined from enforcement? If it is, then would’t this amount to a “clearly established” right not to be arrested thereunder even though the law’s constitutionality hasn’t been decided?

apr 21, 2025, 4:32 am • 1 0 • view
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Moderately Grouchy @moderately-grouchy.bsky.social

I haven't seen anything in the press indicating whether the officers who picked him up knew whether enforcement of the law was enjoined, or anything else regarding why they decided to arrest him (and others) using it.

apr 21, 2025, 4:37 am • 1 0 • view
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Joseph McGhee @radlegaltakes.bsky.social

Whether or not they knew that implementation of the law was enjoined seems immaterial to me given that the second prong of the qualified immunity analysis hinges only on whether a right was clearly established, not if the officer had actual, personal knowledge of the clearly established right.

apr 21, 2025, 4:43 am • 1 0 • view
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Moderately Grouchy @moderately-grouchy.bsky.social

There's no question his rights were objectively violated, the question is was the ignorance of the officer (if that's the defense) reasonable? I have no idea. 🤷‍♀️ :)

apr 21, 2025, 4:52 am • 1 0 • view
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Moderately Grouchy @moderately-grouchy.bsky.social

Oh, my. This is an interesting wrinkle. Some LE has chosen to (aggressively) ignore the injunction. www.miamiherald.com/news/local/i...

apr 21, 2025, 5:02 am • 2 0 • view
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Joseph McGhee @radlegaltakes.bsky.social

The FL AG should have done this on April 4th, when the law was preliminary enjoined. Regardless, cops who enforced the law prior to the AG’s instruction can’t rely on QI, because, again, an officer’s subjective knowledge of the injunction is irrelevant as to if the right was clearly established.

apr 21, 2025, 5:08 am • 1 0 • view
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Joseph McGhee @radlegaltakes.bsky.social

As of April 4, 2025, everyone in FL had the clearly established right not to be arrested under a law that a federal judge had enjoined the state from enforcing.

apr 21, 2025, 5:11 am • 1 0 • view