It’s beyond obvious what OP means, what does it accomplish to take the most literal interpretation possible and then find one counterexample to it?
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If you are accusing me of deliberately misrepresenting OP's argument, you're wrong. If you think I have done so unintentionally, I'm willing to hear you out. But it's worth noting that the office job part of this is only a minor part of my main argument, which is a Marxian approach to production.
jul 12, 2025, 9:16 pm • 1 0 • view
I see. I get it, you’ve done all this reading and learned a set of concepts that seem to (and do) explain so much of what’s going on around us better than any other theories out there. And now you want to *use* what you’ve learned. So you end up shoehorning it all into every online discussion.
jul 12, 2025, 10:01 pm • 2 0 • view
The thing is, OP is plainly and obviously talking about people whose primary or sole sort of political engagement is producing art for mass consumption, not artists across the board. And there are good, Marxist reasons to expect that sort of engagement to tend toward bourgeois ideology.
jul 12, 2025, 10:03 pm • 2 0 • view
I don't think that this is a very accurate assessment of what my motivations are, but that's probably beside the point. More importantly, I dont think that "mass engagement" is the problem; the issue is the specific economy of social media, & I disagree that the distinction is present in OP's post.
jul 12, 2025, 10:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Like, if you think that all this critique is so obviously implicit in OP's broad statements about "art" that they dont even bear explaining, then inevitably you're going to find any critique ungenerous. But I don't think that's a very reasonable approach to take here.
jul 12, 2025, 10:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Given two interpretations of a sentence, one coherent and the other patent nonsense, you go with the former interpretation. This is how all interpretation works, and that’s why I figure on some level you’re straining to relate OP to a spiel that was already in your head waiting to see some use.
jul 12, 2025, 10:43 pm • 1 0 • view
Anyway, market forces constrain what political media is suitable for commodification. If you want to keep up momentum as a political content creator, you tailor your message to dominant ideas. It’s not something special to social media, and idk how you could read Marx and come away with that idea.
jul 12, 2025, 10:47 pm • 1 0 • view
I think it's a little ironic that you're demanding that you are demanding that I read so generously that I actively have to read against OP's actual words, but that you are so insistent on reading what I am saying so ungenerously that you are adding weird claims that I never made.
jul 12, 2025, 11:23 pm • 0 0 • view
Ultimately I get the sense that we are disagreeing more on post hermeneutics (boring, who cares) than politics, which we actually seem to mostly agree on. I think it's best we just shrug and leave it here.
jul 12, 2025, 11:25 pm • 0 0 • view