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David Forester @arborscientiae.bsky.social

I'm sure you're right, they probably wouldn't even dare to start setting any sort of internal rules about what types of scientific research are acceptable to carry out, or pass laws at the state level to forbid teachers from mentioning certain topics...oh wait.

aug 23, 2025, 7:36 pm • 5 0

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sciency28.bsky.social @sciency28.bsky.social

True. And then they are overturned because they are unconstitutional. Are you always this rude to people you don't know?

aug 23, 2025, 7:38 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Forester @arborscientiae.bsky.social

I'm sorry you mistook a sarcastic tone for rude demeanor. But I don't think we should bury our heads in the sand in the face what is repeatedly happening and what the stated anti-science intentions are.

aug 23, 2025, 7:58 pm • 4 1 • view
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sciency28.bsky.social @sciency28.bsky.social

"I mistook". Im the blame, eh? LOL. In every society we will have challenges to our culture. As long as the laws support our cultural narrative, then we are fine. If it changes (we become a right-wing theocracy) than you can leave it or begin a revolution. Activism now only fuels the right, IMO.

aug 23, 2025, 8:07 pm • 0 0 • view
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David Forester @arborscientiae.bsky.social

"Activism now only fuels the right"? So all the 'woke' liberals are to blame for the march towards fascist theocracy? I don't think that's who shoulders the responsibility. Unless what you're trying to say is that they're not doing enough.

aug 23, 2025, 8:48 pm • 2 0 • view
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sciency28.bsky.social @sciency28.bsky.social

What I should have said (apologies) is activism from scientists fuels the right. If this continues, the result will be a shut down of research in academia when you have a republican president. That will end all NIH research, even when you have dem's in charge, because projects are often multi year.

aug 23, 2025, 9:13 pm • 1 0 • view
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Dave Klassen @drklassen.bsky.social

That's still "victim blaming". So, no, our activism cannot make someone a fascist. They choose that.

aug 24, 2025, 7:15 pm • 2 0 • view
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David Forester @arborscientiae.bsky.social

I appreciate the clarification, and you raise an excellent point about multi-year research, and you might even be right about how they're going to respond to scientists engaging an activism, but they started politicizing science and cutting funding even when scientists weren't being activists.

aug 23, 2025, 11:12 pm • 1 0 • view
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David Forester @arborscientiae.bsky.social

So I'm not sure that trying to stay neutral and fly under their radar is going to be a successful strategy either. It may just be a hard road ahead for scientific research no matter what.

aug 23, 2025, 11:13 pm • 1 0 • view
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sciency28.bsky.social @sciency28.bsky.social

When the NIH/academia started implementing DEI, resulting in race quotas, then it became activist and illegal. If that is ended, and scientists stayed away from hot political issues, that will increase the chance of sustained funding through admins. Also, getting rid of fraud as seen in pubpeer.

aug 23, 2025, 11:35 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dave Klassen @drklassen.bsky.social

And *that* is also a lie. DEI is not quotas. Like... at all. DEI wasn't even affirmative action (which *also* wasn't quotas).

aug 24, 2025, 7:16 pm • 1 0 • view
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sciency28.bsky.social @sciency28.bsky.social

Its quotas, dude. You guys wont be happy until 11% of all faculty are black, 33% are hispanic, and 50% are women. That isn't merit based hiring; Its race and sex based, which is illegal. Not go make your wife dinner and don't burn it this time.

aug 24, 2025, 7:43 pm • 0 0 • view