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Joel Kaye @joelkaye.bsky.social

So nu?

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sep 1, 2025, 3:30 pm • 16 1

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Casssandra with 3 SSSs @casssandra.bsky.social

Lol Damon Runyon is hardly the place to go looking for proper English. Maybe My Fair Lady?

sep 1, 2025, 8:29 pm • 0 0 • view
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Benjamin Dreyer @bcdreyer.social

Thank you, Joel!

sep 1, 2025, 3:45 pm • 4 0 • view
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Dara Kaye @darakaye.bsky.social

Next time someone asks what made me like this I'm sending them a screenshot of my dad whipping out vintage sheet music to answer a copyediting question

sep 1, 2025, 4:43 pm • 6 0 • view
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Rev. Dr. Everett Howe @ewhowe.com

Here’s a version of unclear date, possibly printed mid-60s?

Part of the score for “Sue Me” from Guys & Dolls. Copyright block from a score for Guys & Dolls
sep 1, 2025, 3:48 pm • 4 0 • view
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Rev. Dr. Everett Howe @ewhowe.com

The version I have has “policeman” where Joel’s has “gonif,” so now I’m really curious. We need a forensic lyricist!

Part of the score for “Sue Me” from Guys & Dolls. It includes the words “call a policeman.”
sep 1, 2025, 3:59 pm • 4 0 • view
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Casssandra with 3 SSSs @casssandra.bsky.social

Policeman is what they sing in the movie. I know they changed some words from the show to the movie. If you have Adelaide's Lament, does it say Saratoga or Yonkers near the end?

sep 1, 2025, 8:26 pm • 0 0 • view
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Rev. Dr. Everett Howe @ewhowe.com

The copy I found says “Saratoga.”

sep 1, 2025, 10:15 pm • 0 0 • view
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Casssandra with 3 SSSs @casssandra.bsky.social

That's the original show, not the movie. I guess they thought the national audience wouldn't know the reference to Saratoga so they used Yonkers Racetrack. I don't know if they put out different sheet music for the movie. Sometimes they do.

sep 1, 2025, 11:38 pm • 0 0 • view
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Benjamin Dreyer @bcdreyer.social

Oh! I hadn't noticed the "gonif" thing! I don't think I've ever encountered that in performance or on a recording! (It's certainly not on the OBC recording.)

sep 1, 2025, 4:03 pm • 5 1 • view
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Efrex @efrex.bsky.social

I believe Loesser sings it on the “Evening with Frank Loesser” album, but I haven’t encountered it elsewhere.

sep 1, 2025, 4:07 pm • 1 0 • view
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Benjamin Dreyer @bcdreyer.social

For the film one certainly notes that "Scarsdale Galahad" is smoothed out to "small-town Galahad," and the "hollanderize" reference is gone entirely, but certainly a Broadway audience in 1950 could've coped with "gonif."

sep 1, 2025, 4:08 pm • 3 0 • view
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Rev. Dr. Everett Howe @ewhowe.com

I mean, I'm just a goy from Sacramento, but I read the classics as a child.

The splash panel from a story in Mad Magazine #1, entitled “Ganefs!”
sep 1, 2025, 10:10 pm • 2 0 • view
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Benjamin Dreyer @bcdreyer.social

Yo, @joelkaye.bsky.social, what's the rest of the lyric that leads up to "gonif"?

sep 1, 2025, 4:06 pm • 1 0 • view
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Joel Kaye @joelkaye.bsky.social

"All right already, I'm strictly a gonif." Interesting -- I'd never noticed it, and have never heard it sung that way. Really hoping Sam Levene delivered it that way on stage!

sep 1, 2025, 5:19 pm • 1 0 • view
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Joel Kaye @joelkaye.bsky.social

Guessing for the OBC recording they figured most folks who were into Broadway knew where Scarsdale was but lots of 'em wouldn't know from gonif, and by the time they got to the film they figured let's assume everyone's from Salt Lake City, so yeah -- "small town."

sep 1, 2025, 5:19 pm • 1 0 • view
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Benjamin Dreyer @bcdreyer.social

I don't have a copy of The Complete Lyrics of Frank Loesser, but perhaps there's an interesting note about it there. (Also I'm having a thought about the alteration of theater lyrics back then for recordings, like the way they disappeared "virgin" from Carousel.)

sep 1, 2025, 5:29 pm • 1 0 • view
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Benjamin Dreyer @bcdreyer.social

I've managed to search-catch a tiny glimpse of the page in question, and there's the word "policeman" clear as day, but if there's a footnote on the subject it's not, alas, visible to me. (And no search I can do including Loesser, "Sue Me," gonif gets any hits at all.) (🤷🏻‍♂️.)

sep 1, 2025, 5:34 pm • 1 0 • view
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Burnside Gooch @burnsidegooch.bsky.social

Nathan and Faith gave “right” a sliiightly different note value.

sep 1, 2025, 3:51 pm • 4 0 • view
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Joel Kaye @joelkaye.bsky.social

Of the many laughs musical theater has given me, 23 years (!!!) later I can still say that was one of the laughiest. A completely unexpected, unnecessary non sequitur, yet somehow perfect. Smiling now just remembering it.

sep 1, 2025, 5:24 pm • 2 0 • view