Generative AI by definition is conformity. It is an averaging of anything you ask of it - quite literally guessing what the most likely version of a thing might be. It is, by definition, mainstream, as is everything it creates old and deeply ideological, as every model trains on similar data.
Bring back bullying
Just like every company in a Private Equity firm's portfolio. Middling or bad, rarely a novelty that can be considered unique
It's picking 5 when choosing a number between 1 and 10.
punk rock is taking all the music that already exists and making it a bland, but also funny, if just to me, like a counterculture song about how much i love my dog fredrico-fido and how that rhymes with Dido, in the style of Dido. Oi! Oi! Oi!
The only remote connection this shit has to punk is older people fucking hate it and think it sucks
We were the first punk generation, and we fucking hate AI and think it sucks. Well, 2tone in my case, but the point stands
I pointed this out in a different thread, but his AI “film production company” has around 100 subscribers and most of his videos are below 50 views. Truly a revolution.
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Was told I hate AI voice content because I am not a true creator. And, clearly neither were they, so
Lest we forget John Lyndon and all things Johnny/Dee Dee Ramone? Punk was nothing but conformity. That's why they all dressed exactly the same way and only listened to exactly the same music.
Some people just love to play the victim, huh? It’s literally being shoved into every aspect of our life by a managerial class who doesn’t even understand how it works. It is the mainstream. We didn’t ask for this.
We get someone who has sadly lost their taste and smell, blindfolded, to throw the most popular dishes we sell into a pot and stir. It's new and edgy
GIGO
SLOP is the word for genAI. Fits.
AI doesn’t create does it? I thought it just manipulated data to come up with some uncreative dross…..
Calling gen ai counterculture is one of the most brain dead takes i've seen
I have the utmost respect for anyone getting into creative fields right now. We all have to stay hopeful and keep this fight going.
conservatives love the vibe of punk without actually understanding it, so they just use the label on anything reactionary. i remember the nyt calling neonazis "punk"
It's still how you use it that counts. If you ask if conforming questions...
It’s also garbage. Did he mention garbage?
I am very sure if you pick up literally any paper from the last 70ish years about the aesthetic philosophy of Kitsch it will perfectly well apply to generative AI
Exactly, it's call is to be as mediocre as possible because that increases the chances of the result being accepted as valid. That's the parameters under which model training is done. If it was experimental it would end up producing a lot of garbage.
Prompt: Punk rock Output: The most statistically algorithmically likely generation
Prompt: write a punk rock song called God Save the Queen Output: God Save the Queen, Oh our amazing Queen! God save the gracious most regal Queen! Save her and all her corgis in England! Oh Queen, Oh Queen! Oh God save the Queen!
Yes!
I have no idea what you posted, but every time I check all I see is a grey box with a spinning wheel at the centre
It's Simon Cowell from America Idol saying, "absolutely brilliant!"
This is by far the best take on this. Literally factual.
Can we also criticize the most marketing bro lame close out of the initiating dipshit statement? "It's here" at the end is the most fucking advertising sleeze way to close this dumbassery. Might as well say "for 3 low payments of $19.95!" Shithead was slop before LLMs, and deserves to be spit on.
The series of "It's" statements leading up to it is also, yuck. I can't quite place it. Miranda Priestly but that is also referencing something. Pretentious though.
“It’s here,” so are cockroaches in badly maintained buildings. Funny how nobody gushes about a biological marvel in the guise of a household pest.
Generative AI is closer to being the equivalent of the Landfill Indie of the 2000s or the tons of fisheye lens cover albums from grunge bands released 93-96 I used to see on thrift shops. But far worse.
something tells me that tweet by itself was AI generated.
You’ve also described the clown making original post perfectly.
Not if we pretend it has a soul or whatever.
These dough brains literally think the 'Punks' in 'Cyberpunk' media are the ones licking copro boots...
"Counter Culture' funded by Tech Bro Billionaires and seeking federal approval to be free to steal literally anything - anyone with this opinion hasn't ever read a single piece of cyberpunk fiction
That's the hilarious bit to me - AI bros imagine a world where billionaires making huge machines to chew up all creativity and spit back out slop is "counter culture" and the poor kid with three chords and the truth is "The Man".
Apparently we just aren't thinking far enough ahead! DON'T YOU WANT A FUTURE (potentially, at some indeterminate point they won't even hazard a guess at) WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK?
There are the kind of people who have just ASSUMED there will be a MACHINE GOD at some point in the future so they need to SACRIFICE EVERY SINGLE RESOURCE RIGHT NOW to please this DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A THING MACHINE GOD so it may spare us our current problems THEN That isn't an exaggeration.
No big well-funded company has any comprehension whatsoever of what cyberpunk is meant to be. It's completely antithetical to their very existence.
This is the shit that cyberpunk authors literally write their books as warnings about.
I love that the biggest fucking dweeb is saying this too. You couldn’t make it any funnier
GenAI is punk rock only in that it is trained, in part, by stealing the work of actual punk rockers.
My favorite punk rock band is the computer. I especially love the song "Random Waveforms Repeatedly Iterated for Statistically Minimal Diversion from the Aggregate Composite of All Your Cataloged and Categorized Consumer Preferences."
The gate keeping they seem to be angry at is just skill? They don't have the skill to write a script, they don't have the skill to direct, or act, or to even have enough friends to make a backyard movie. It's only skill they lack, that's not Gate keeping!
Hard to label something as “counter culture” when it is embraced and shoved in our faces by Google, Apple, Meta, and all the big ones.
What Google AI (when I neglect to put -AI in a search to avoid triggering it) computes to be the most likely version of a thing is so often a completely new false claim though, which seems odd.
Imagine if you had a big list of true statements, but when you asked the computer to give you one, it randomly gave you the first half of one statement and the second half of a different one that looked kinda similar. This is where the new false claims come from.
Like when I'm typing a long title and after inputting the first, Gboard auto suggestion gets the second and third right, maybe even the fourth. Then it suggests something related to the last word.
And what exactly did the great art I ficial filmmaker Minh Do has accomplished?
Have you ever even used generative AI?
If a CEO or billionaire has his arm around you when you're doing something, that thing is antithetical to punk.
It is stagnation by design.
I'm tipping Minh thinks "punk rock" is one Greenday song he heard on a "greatest hits" radio station
I can't think of anything LESS punk than conformity.
The only thing these people are good at is using a great many words, to say absolutely nothing at all. Useless, talentless, lying, thieving fucks, the lot of them.
I think of it like a guitar string that you can pluck but will always return to center. AI art always seems to return to that baseline center.
Put differently, what is the point of the human race if we are going to erase / replace our one major superpower: the ability to imagine and to strive to turn future into a new present reality?
I did learn something from this guy For me, I don’t want to sacrifice my music to make it popular or to fit. I am not a perfect reproduction from a mold. I molded myself. But if I can use this tool to help me … create the drum sound … then change it so that it is me. Possible starting point?
It is quite literally the hit maker software. Reducing music to an equation of what people would like. I write my own music. I like it. I hope other people like it. I’m not going to prostitute the integrity of my music just to be popular. Corporate rock still sucks
AI is cheap Easter chocolate bunnies. Badly remolded, artificial memory of a sweet treat that crumbles into a hollow pile of garbage with any real pressure put on it.
Yep…AI-generated stories favour stability over change: homogeneity and cultural stereotyping open-research-europe.ec.europa.eu/articles/5-2...
There is nothing punk about AI. I said what I said.
What do you mean a generic media generator made by the biggest corporations on earth that are run by conservative bootlicker isn’t punk?
The only new thing it has created comes from its failure to do its job, failing so hard that this itself has created entertainment value. And it has the beautiful name Italian Brainrot. Not sure if stepping out of the mainstream by failing to deliver mainstream content counts as creativity, though.
Every AI cartoon image looking like some temu dot com Pixar knockoff except it has 14 fingers Super punk rock
Oh they surely mean AI film-breaking.
if you're not training your own data on your own gpus then I can think of some gatekeepers
It reminds me of the MST3K "You're Not a Beatnik" skit, really. These people say they are "Punk Rock" but I bet they own more than 1 Polo shirt. www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zo...
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I think this is why top-down efforts are failing so hard. The only way it works is that everything stops trying to do things badly at the same rate they always have, and wheres the value in that?
It's the opposite of punk rock. Punk is about trying to make a thing when you don't necessarily have to skills, so you play the 3 chords you know as fast as you can, and before long, you start getting good. AI is stagnating at the point where you want to create but don't know how.
Despite my qualms with it, using ai to produce shit like a grocery list based on the meals you want to make it lazy but to my mind, an understandable use of the tech. Using ai to make art is for soulless fuckwit philistines, and I will die publicly on that hill.
And then it tells you to get glue for your pizza and burns an ungodly amount of energy to do it..
The modern, VC/PE-dominated economy is already oriented toward being mid at massive scale. Gen AI will supercharge that.
But Ed, the software developed and controlled by billionaires and Microsoft and Google is counterculture and anti-establishment, just like punk rock and hip hop!
It's not just midstream: it's necessarily mediocre. Do we want mediocrity? Well, maybe we do . . .
Either of these takes are potentially but not necessarily the case. I've seen some things made using LLMs (usually as part of another process) that is interesting, or simply utterly bizarre. And I've seen a lot of no effort slop that made no impression at all.
Well some of us are exploring research to build 'crative' laywers on top of this, to use the massive predictability to take it down roads that will be surprising and maybe even creative and innovative so its MAYBE not so faltalistic
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It's about as counterculture as the t-shirt wall at a Hot Topic.
Put some respect on Invader Zim
It's the Ministry of Truth
When something is utterly devoid of creativity people assume it was written by AI. I've come to believe that the type of people who need to steal creativity because they can't come up with it on their own are the ones who are the staunch defenders of AI. Nothing Punk about that.
It's literally controlled by the biggest richest corporations. These are the most thoroughly kept gates in the known universe.
How can you make a black swan if your algorithm is entirely bounded by Gaussian distribution? Punk rock is something like 20-sigma from the standard pop music that came before, essentially impossible to produce by just averaging.
Generative AI is sociopathic - sophisticated plagiarism which imitates creativity& emotion but can never experience either. Sociopathic tech, created for & by sociopathic billionaires in order to make them trillionaires.
There's a reason GenAI has become the aesthetic of neo-fascism - it never outputs anything that challenges their traditionalist worldview. Women are always sexualised, cultural biases are always reinforced, and all given the veneer of impartiality because it came out of a machine.
look all i heard here is “model trains” and i won’t have you besmirching such a pure art form.
Storytelling is a conscious creative act, and AI is not conscious or creative. It sucks up art and spews out a probability model. Or nude Taylor Swift.
“It’s counterculture” I tell myself as literally every bigwig of the largest companies on the planet are tripping over themselves to shove it down consumers’ throats because it’ll save them from having to pay actual creatives.
they think it will ´´save ´´ them from having to pay actual creatives
"It's hated by the mainstream!" I cackle as I watch the intro to Marvel Secret Invasion on Disney+.
To link this to the Swedish PM using ChatGPT, it'll respond with the modal version of what is in the training data. Whereas in policy that's the normcore consensus view of Bush-era American libs, in video it'll be boxsets of b-tier crime procedurals
My new Turing Test is “create something that is verifiably not in your data set”.
Oh, meanwhile screens have flattened the world to the same experience
Tech bros wanting to be cool will be the death of us all.
Generative AI is fundamentally based on a logical fallacy: the appeal to the masses. It is literally going to jump off a bridge because everyone else is doing so.
It's revolting.
By obfuscating the plagiarism enough, these people are convinced they are seeing originality.
I too define counterculture by what is shoved down my throat by corporations.
It’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes.
not to mention it's only "accessible" via the resources, stolen data, and proprietary software of huge tech companies with ideological agendas. but I guess censorship is fine when you willfully refuse to understand art and can't notice it happening.
"Punk's not dead, it just deserves to die when it becomes another pale cartoon." - Jello Biafra
*stale, not pale. That's what happens when I don't proofread.
Even if it wasn't what would it say that all the people who are the most punk like full on anarchists agree with the system that it sucks?? If you got people reaching across the aisle to say you suck ass then maybe its a good idea to seriously consider if its just objectively true
My man Minh just fishing for those dollars from gullible investors by saying the magic words
Yeah like the only way you could produce something subversive is if you only trained it on your own work that's subversive in which case... why? Just make more art you clearly know how to do that lmao
punk is having to constantly tell strangers "what I'm doing is punk"
OMFG GOD AI IS THE OPPOSITE OF COUNTERCULTURE. DIY IS THE NUMBER ONE RULE OF COUNTERCULTURE ai and diy are mutually exclusive.
if you arent diy oriented in some significant way then you are mainstream.
and no it was never gatekeeping to be this way. the culture is buy buy buy gadgets and gizmos to work smarter not harder as you exploit those around you. counterculture has to be NOT THAT in some way to qualify as COUNTER to the CULTURE.
Huh. Not unlike herding when it comes to opinion polling.
had to read twice to realize you weren't talking about "model trains"
IT RESISTS IDEOLOGY?!?
It’s the Regurgitron.
yes! lol
Here's a good essay that explains why AI aesthetics is literally fascism (which is, indeed, a form of conformity): youtu.be/UD4_CaTufIU?...
IMO generative AI is like Remmick in Sinners except we feed it the art rather than it wanting to take the art. The end result is the same because they both take and corrupt said art to the point where it loses all of its original power and meaning. It becomes useless slop.
It is a new level of delusion to call writing words in a chat bot "punk rock"
in a world where everything is a generic AI thing, trading in generic AI things makes you completely replaceable there's a fun piece that makes this point: www.colincornaby.me/2025/08/in-t...
Yeah, I always hated the Einstein branding that some company (maybe IBM?) attached to their AI. Like, Einstein didn’t guess what an average physicist would do.
Einstein GPT is Salesforce, a notorious scumbag company. IBM isn't nearly that lazy with their branding.
I recall some AI's having trouble showing a completely full glass of wine because so much of it's training data showed wine glasses half full that it couldn't come up with a full glass of wine. It has no imagination, it cannot generate what it hasn't seen before.
The problem is more that phrase 'full glass of wine' has a well defined meaning of a glass of wine that is 10% or more below the rim of the glass. So specifying a glass of wine where the wine is level with the rim you can't use the phrase 'full glass' of wine.
There is nothing "punk" about typing a prompt and shitting out ugly art while destroyingthe environment. Its more punk to buy dollar store markers and use them on a piece of cardboard you found on the street and create your own 'ugly' image with your bare fucking hands.
Punk is DIY. Having a machine create it for you is not DIY.
Note: there is no ugly or bad art, there's just "art".
This point needs to be made over and over and over again.
you can absolutely make interesting new art out of creating an average of mainstream sources. i've been manually making underground art out of mainstream data for almost 2 decades (sampling) you just have to actually put effort into it and give a shit; AI is conducive to neither of those
AI film-making specifically though? that's just a grift lol, a video generator isn't going to be able to create a coherent story
Everyone on Bluesky doing searches for "model trains" is probably annoyed at AI too
AI it is the fascistic rhetoric side bcuz encourage people not to think about what they do, what they want and just consume slop!
"Generative AI by definition is conformity" - generative AI doesn't have to take the most probable token, you can change the temperature or sampling function to whatever you want. So it literally has no constraints on how 'non-confirmative' it can be.
Generative AI can produce nothing truly new. Train an AI on everything Paul McCartney had ever heard or read, including all the Beatles songs up to the point of recording the Help album, and it would never, could *never* write 'Yesterday'.
Would you extend that to: a human using genAI as a tool can never make something new?
Did you think I assumed the genAI would train itself? My point is that training a genAI to produce a 'typical early Beatles song' could not generate the work of atypical genius that was Paul McCartney's song 'Yesterday'.
I didn't assume much that's why I asked, chill.
People get so defensive it's impossible to get to anything interesting.
Probably because people constantly try to use what you asked as some kinda gotcha to people who don't like ai
There's nothing interesting to be gotten from or about genAI.
AI is simply incapable of making the sort of intuitive leaps and bounds and connections a real live person can.
Regressive.
Train an AI on every film that Quentin Tarantino had ever seen up to 1992 and it would never come up with Reservoir Dogs.
also accepting the art you’re most okay with is art a mega corporation allows via their model
Hot Topic is not punk rock. But it's more punk rock than GenAI...
Something being made by the richest fascists in the world - punk
the entire world being regressed to the mean
Gawdamn that actually registers as a contender for one of the 10 dumbest takes of all time.
No
Uncanny. I mean, literally Freud's 1919 lecture on The Uncanny.
also, the polar opposite of "do it yourself"
I can think of few things less punk rock than generative AI.
I thought that conservatism is the new punk rock? What happened to that? These people always do something extremely unpopular and then say it's "punk" when others reject it. But deep down they're just boring people with no imagination whatsoever.
💯. In my limited experience, the major LLMs (minus Grok because fuck Grok) do not perform well when you ask them to get weird or generate something truly out of the box.
whatever ai enthusiasts say ai is, we can be sure it’s actually the opposite
I agree, but I would throw one cultural caution out there. In a time when opportunity is declining, it's democratizing. Young people are using it because it's cheap and fun, you don't need equipment or even talent. But yeah, the results are middling, weirdly sexualized and predictably extra.
The mainstream world LOVES ai what are they even talking about. We can’t get the mainstream to STOP using ai for things it can’t do.
The slot machine nature of AI keeps people chasing dragon which does not exist.
Wild goose chase of the digital era
Arguably most revolutionary era of human creativity (music, film, art, technology, engineering) was underpinned by the Silent Generation on acid
Yep, nothing created by billionaires will ever be punk.
more like Manh Don't
I can’t think of anything less punk than getting excited about evangelising about American Silicon Valley techbro capitalist AI slop
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by definition it cannot be innovative ai art almost immediately mooshed itself into the worlds most common styles: realistic / western painterly / anime / pixar it creates ONLY the most mainstream imagery that already exists look at most ndie art & you'll see things ai literally can never imagine
Somehow there is always an anti-woke undertone with these pro-AI wankers. But it does make sense really, these people see the world as something that should serve them and anything asking them to consider the world outside that sphere, be it art or basic kindness, challenges that selfishness.
And, with speech to text, soon, being able to actually read and write will be a skill reserved only for the wealthy...
Might as well already be used. Probably is. Generic blockbusters and Hallmark unoriginals. We need to hunt for the gold in those indie hills.
It is, by definition, an enormous waste of time and resources