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A penitent who is loud @loudpenitent.bsky.social

You mean Baldwin? Baldwin was famous long before the film (we actually have no evidence he wore a mask!)

aug 27, 2025, 1:20 am • 1 0

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A penitent who is loud @loudpenitent.bsky.social

(by all accounts Baldwin was a decent enough king as the crusader royals went, afaik.) Saladin has the other problem - he conquered Jerusalem & as was typical for the area enslaved many of the conquered, but ransomed an unusual number & then freed others, which FOR THE TIME was most magnanimous.

aug 27, 2025, 1:23 am • 2 0 • view
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A penitent who is loud @loudpenitent.bsky.social

But obviously this doesn't translate, nor does the relatively great honor & courage that Balian of Ibelin showed in the siege (or the patriarch of Jerusalem who the film turns into a symbol of wicked religion) so the film needs to translate them into modern standards.

aug 27, 2025, 1:28 am • 2 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

... Oh, God, I'm so embarrassed. I don't know why my brain conflated the two.

aug 27, 2025, 1:22 am • 0 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

I need to go commit seppeku.

aug 27, 2025, 1:22 am • 0 0 • view
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A penitent who is loud @loudpenitent.bsky.social

Amusing, Saladin himself was largely forgotten in most of the Muslim world until the colonial era, though the European world liked him quite a lot, and when he WAS given new life as a historic Levantine hero, had a lot of HIS flaws glossed over.

aug 27, 2025, 1:24 am • 3 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

That's *true!* Right, hold on, let me get my head screwed on straight: (Ahem) Right, Saladin is a great example of someone who's been given a romanticized afterlife in our cultural memory, glossing over his penchant for slavery and other wartime atrocities because...

aug 27, 2025, 1:28 am • 0 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

... hey, I get it, the Crusaders sucked! But insert here about two wrongs.

aug 27, 2025, 1:28 am • 0 0 • view
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A penitent who is loud @loudpenitent.bsky.social

Well also any historical drama runs into the problem of "broadly, the ethics of the past sucked."

aug 27, 2025, 1:39 am • 3 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

Almost certainly.

aug 27, 2025, 1:39 am • 0 0 • view
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A penitent who is loud @loudpenitent.bsky.social

It is worth remembering it was LITERALLY considered more reputable to loot wealth than to earn it through trade.

aug 27, 2025, 1:43 am • 0 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

... God, I'm still so embarrassed, how the fuck did I conflate the two? Gaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

aug 27, 2025, 1:29 am • 0 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

**GAAAHHHHHH**

aug 27, 2025, 1:39 am • 0 0 • view
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Paweł Ausir Dembowski @ausir.bsky.social

should have played Age of Empires II more www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkvd...

aug 27, 2025, 1:22 am • 1 0 • view
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Philby Bear @philbybear.bsky.social

Ha! I guess I should have. But damn, man, brain farts; they're a real thing.

aug 27, 2025, 1:24 am • 1 0 • view
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Paweł Ausir Dembowski @ausir.bsky.social

and Saladin himself I knew first from Age of Empires 2 actually

aug 27, 2025, 1:21 am • 1 0 • view