Oh BOY she apparently mentions Naturei Karta positively? (Ironically) Christ! Will people finally fucking educate themselves on this at all?
Oh BOY she apparently mentions Naturei Karta positively? (Ironically) Christ! Will people finally fucking educate themselves on this at all?
Why does she feel inclined to comment? And ftr I’m not Jewish and even I know this is a bad idea
There is disagreement amongst the Yidn in my mentions and skyline about whether she really does mention NK positively, or merely as an example to disprove the misconception that all Orthodox Jews are Zionists.
Oh good, I have muted all the right words I have mostly missed this
Which makes me feel pretty strongly that: A) I shouldn’t get mad at her if I’m not going to watch the video first and determine for myself how she frames those creeps. B) I probably don’t need this video or this discourse in my life right now.
I can’t emphasize enough that she barely mentions them at all and the brief mention they do get has basically no relevance to her larger points. The person who made the OP about this has admitted to not even watching the video. Which is a fine choice but then don’t accuse people of being antisemitic
I didn't accuse anyone of antisemitism, Lydia.
You weren’t the “original person” Lydia was referring to—that was in a different thread
Correct
to an audience of exhausted Jews who are now more likely to refuse to watch a piece of media that I think it would be good for a lot of us to watch. This is making me increasingly angry.
Honestly I'm showing my personal bias in saying I don't particularly feel any need to go "see? There are Good Antizionist Orthodox!" Like I'm pretty uninvested in rescuing Orthodoxy's rep here, especially since it tends to come with a side of contempt for Reform Jews.
Also idek, it feels like there's this effort to actively exoticize "Good Judaism?"
Again I don’t know if that’s something she actually does in her video, and I’m not really inclined to find out. I very much agree with you that this is something that Happens and that it’s Bad. I don’t know if she’s to blame for any of that and I don’t know her so I don’t care right now.
The Jewish People will yet survive if I don’t get around to having knowledge or opinions about Lindsay Ellis until next year or the year after or maybe ever.
I admit the thing actually ticking me off is the likely continued conflating of the motivations of shitty Christians with those of angry, hurting Jews.
Sure, but I do think we should give due credit to left/liberal gentiles who talk about these things in the ways we are always saying we wish they would. Or to at least not shit on them based on absolutely nothing. You are not doing that but some other folks sure are and it’s irresponsible.
If they don’t have it in them to see for themselves, I don’t blame them. But we shouldn’t be discouraging other people in our community based on rumors of unknown origin. Especially since she’s using this video as a fundraiser and has raised over 400K so far for the PCRF. That’s not insignificant.
If you (editorial you) are going to accuse someone doing actual good of flirting with antisemitism, you’d better be confident in that judgment. And if you jump to conclusions on no evidence, you’re lending validity to the idea that nobody can talk about Gaza without being accused of antisemitism.
And that is used to discredit us when we talk about *actual* leftist antisemitism. Which is also bad.
It does not try to do that. In fact, it doesn’t talk about the Orthodox at all, except this max 5 second clip which is used to briefly make the point that not all Orthodox Jews are Zionists. Not say that they’re Good. But simply to say that they exist.
No because they desperately need a steteotype to confirm their priors, even if said stereotype is actively conservative.
She does not do that.
Hot take: actually all her videos are pretty bad
If we're talking about Lindsay, 💯. She got cancelled for the wrong reason, it should've been for basic media illiteracy
It's kind of shocking that Jenny Nicholson has a much more casual tone and clearly doesn't have the jargon but is 100,000 times more media literate
Absolutely. I'm glad the 1st video of hers that was recommended to me was The Christmas Prince one and not something about Pokémon because I might have missed out
That is such a good video, that is one of my favorites, although the very best one is the Halloween cocktails one
An education can only go so far.
"Non-Jewish person has opinions about Jews" is an undefeated red flag.
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I understand the suspicion but she actually did an excellent job with difficult subject matter. All my criticisms are minor and don’t have anything to do with the video being antisemitic. It is the opposite of that.
No she fucking doesn’t and it was wildly irresponsible for someone to say that without having either watched the video or disclosed immediately that they had not watched it. This is Bad Internet Behavior, people.