the idea the dems have to hold onto the "moral highground" by not counter gerrymandering is so dumb. nobody gives a fuck about the moral high ground. the president is literally rapist
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Agree
jul 31, 2025, 2:48 pm • 0 0 • view
We are at war for our democracy. If Dems don't recognize this fact, then we have already lost.
jul 31, 2025, 5:16 am • 0 0 • view
I care about it. I care that Democrats don't stoop to Herr Frumps methodologies.
jul 30, 2025, 10:24 pm • 0 0 • view
The moral ground got us here 😡
jul 31, 2025, 12:46 am • 3 0 • view
🎯
jul 31, 2025, 6:07 am • 1 0 • view
i don’t disagree, precisely, but many blue states have an independent redistricting committee and THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BLUE dismantle that, and they are once more vulnerable to partisan gerrymandering in either direction i mean if no such independent committee then go for it
jul 30, 2025, 8:12 pm • 1 0 • view
I’m saying it everywhere: do not donate so much as a dime to any Democrat candidates til they get aggressive, break the rules and figure this out
jul 31, 2025, 12:33 pm • 0 0 • view
Exactly. If Dems do that, then we absolutely know they are complicit.
jul 30, 2025, 10:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Grab them by the ballot box.
jul 31, 2025, 2:06 am • 0 0 • view
There is no more moral high ground when it comes to the fascist Republicans. Democrats need to everything and anything to end this reign of insanity.
jul 31, 2025, 4:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Moral high ground got us where we are.
jul 31, 2025, 1:17 am • 0 0 • view
Anybody who talks about bullshit like the “moral high ground,” or “going high when they go low,” needs to be forcibly thrown out of the fucking party. The only right approach now is to go full scorched earth, to use every unfair, improper, underhanded, nasty, dirty trick that we can imagine.
jul 31, 2025, 1:51 am • 0 0 • view
Boring
jul 30, 2025, 9:16 pm • 0 0 • view
Someone once said: When they take the low ground, we take the high ground. Well, fuck that Jack.
jul 30, 2025, 8:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Michelle Obama does.
jul 30, 2025, 6:36 pm • 0 0 • view
i wonder who won the 2016 election
jul 30, 2025, 6:41 pm • 3 0 • view
Michelle Obama did.
jul 31, 2025, 6:08 am • 0 0 • view
Gerrymandering is only "bad" because of bad voters. Cut out these voters and you're gold
jul 30, 2025, 7:59 pm • 0 0 • view
They should not just counter gerrymander. They should do it so hard that the GOP asks for federal reform to ensure that voters are represented.
jul 31, 2025, 6:13 am • 0 0 • view
You don't think that the Republicans are going to stop what they're doing and say, "Wait a minute, maybe it isn't worth holding dictatorial power, unaccountable to the people, if it results in liberal tears"?
jul 30, 2025, 11:02 pm • 0 0 • view
We need to do everything in our power to destroy them.
jul 30, 2025, 10:22 pm • 6 0 • view
Prosecute anyone making this argument as a nazi sympathizer.
jul 30, 2025, 8:17 pm • 1 0 • view
If we don't meet these aholes where they are at, there will be no ground. Fight fire with fire!
jul 30, 2025, 6:53 pm • 4 0 • view
Who said that- hold the moral high ground???
jul 31, 2025, 1:07 am • 0 0 • view
Honestly, I just think they know they don’t have the votes and are trying to spin this in a less doomed-forever kind of way.
jul 30, 2025, 10:12 pm • 0 0 • view
And 34 felonies. And adultor
jul 30, 2025, 9:53 pm • 0 0 • view
norms are cowardice
jul 30, 2025, 8:31 pm • 0 0 • view
The dems can’t run on a moral high ground if they support genocide
jul 31, 2025, 12:14 am • 0 0 • view
I care about the moral high ground. Democrats run away from it at every chance. The moral high ground is blocking all aid to Israel and impeaching Trump. The moral position is blocking and beating fascists with every tactic available, including gerrymandering We will still need to fix it nationwide
jul 30, 2025, 10:10 pm • 2 0 • view
Correction.... "Rapist and Pedo Rapist".
jul 30, 2025, 11:25 pm • 0 0 • view
They simply do not want to do any work or be perceived in any way. Just do a few years in politics and then rotate into an executive position and never be talked to or seen by anyone with a net worth less then 100 million.
jul 30, 2025, 8:24 pm • 2 0 • view
the suggestion to roll over for the GOP (every time, forever) is itself immoral
jul 30, 2025, 10:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah—moral high ground is a giant sucking vortex of quicksand!
jul 30, 2025, 10:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Are you kidding, literally everyone from media to half the "Democrats" here expect Dems to fight this war on fascism through strongly worded social media posts...And if they do not, Dems will be looked down upon...I just got lectured on this yesterday by a "Democrat"
jul 30, 2025, 11:09 pm • 7 1 • view
Even suggesting any sort of actual steps to confront fascism is viewed as violent.
jul 30, 2025, 11:13 pm • 5 0 • view
Political parties and religions are cults and Dems are proving this.
jul 31, 2025, 1:04 am • 0 0 • view
Spot on 🌹
jul 30, 2025, 10:28 pm • 1 0 • view
Exactly!
jul 31, 2025, 12:30 am • 0 0 • view
When we go high, we lose.
jul 30, 2025, 8:15 pm • 1 0 • view
Facts is facts. They cut the hole in the fence, and there is no prize for walking around the park to get to the gate. Get in the hole you filthy animals.
jul 30, 2025, 10:34 pm • 0 0 • view
Don't become the monsters you are fighting.
jul 30, 2025, 6:48 pm • 0 0 • view
keeping them out of power is not the same as violently oppressing them
jul 30, 2025, 8:43 pm • 2 0 • view
Breaking the law to take rights away from anyone is oppression.
jul 30, 2025, 10:07 pm • 0 0 • view
apologies, I hit post on a draft, probably in my pocket
jul 30, 2025, 10:27 pm • 1 0 • view
It's not bodily or property harm, so it's not, in my words, violent, which is why I chose those words Is it fair? Is democratic? Dear lord, no. But neither is the existence of the Senate, FPTP and Electoral College voting for POTUS, the distribution of House of Representatives, (cont)
jul 30, 2025, 10:34 pm • 1 0 • view
or, and this is important, the fact that red states, *all of which* benefit already from each of those problems, are already gerrymandering and when it went to Alito's SCOTUS he said "Hell yeah, fuck minorities, knock yourselves out"
jul 30, 2025, 10:34 pm • 1 0 • view
Personally, I'm in favor of disenfranchising anyone who voted GOP until such time as the party is forcibly dissolved, but gerrymandering blue states is the absolute most polite way to do literally anything to stop the actual fascist party that is actively disappearing and killing people
jul 30, 2025, 10:34 pm • 0 0 • view
Each time fascism takes root it needs A Lot Of Killing to get rid of it again, and if you can't even conscience violating norms that *already* only exist for our side and have for something like a generation now in some cases, far longer in others, we'll never avoid that
jul 30, 2025, 10:34 pm • 1 0 • view
I'd like a limit on mass murder and to not have a full-scale war and if we can manage that by doing slightly spicier electoralism, that seems infinitely preferable and not at all the same as Being The Fascists, which is a facile and absurd assertion
jul 30, 2025, 10:34 pm • 0 0 • view
Fight fire with fire.
jul 30, 2025, 10:18 pm • 1 0 • view
Burn it all down , sounds ignorant and self defeating.
jul 30, 2025, 10:32 pm • 0 0 • view
The hell you say
jul 30, 2025, 7:26 pm • 4 0 • view
I would rather have the tactical high ground than the moral one, if forced into a choice.
jul 30, 2025, 10:23 pm • 2 0 • view
I’d like both.
jul 30, 2025, 10:58 pm • 1 0 • view
You're not going to get it in American politics. 🤷🏻♂️
jul 30, 2025, 10:59 pm • 1 0 • view
And probably a pedophile
jul 30, 2025, 8:06 pm • 0 0 • view
Gerrymandering should be illegal! It's just a way to fix the elections.
jul 31, 2025, 2:48 pm • 0 0 • view
And a wanna be Authoritarian. So why are the Dems even discussing this . What, they don't believe his intentions ?
jul 30, 2025, 8:16 pm • 0 0 • view
Human lives and well-being are at stake in the fight against American fascism. We may need to be willing to do what needs to be done to defeat fascism: whatever it takes.
jul 30, 2025, 10:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Sometimes, insisting on the "moral high ground" in the political environment sounds ideal, but in reality, it often makes people feel powerless and frustrated. Everyone hopes to see more effective actions, rather than being restricted by form or principles.
jul 30, 2025, 8:52 pm • 0 0 • view
They’ve been using the “moral high ground” for decades. They go low we go high blah blah blah. Obviously it hasn’t worked or helped. That strategy has cost our country everything. Rage on! Bring primaries back.
jul 30, 2025, 11:01 pm • 2 0 • view
Agreed! What moral values are being violated when gerrymandering is an accepted legal political tactic in the US since 1812! Democrats are playing by touch football rules in a tackle football game.
jul 31, 2025, 12:20 pm • 1 0 • view
You cannot fight an authoritarian regime with the same old ideas that allowed a dictator to be elected. Dems need to quit acting like it’s a done deal that they’ll get control. Unless they start acting and stop thinking about acting, we are doomed to remain a fascist state long after Trump is gone.
jul 31, 2025, 3:47 am • 0 0 • view
Why is gerrymandering allowed ?
jul 30, 2025, 9:52 pm • 0 0 • view
The moral high ground has been swallowed by the swamp.
jul 30, 2025, 8:06 pm • 1 0 • view
Btw Dems could pick up 12 House seats by gerrymandering California like Republicans are doing in Texas.
jul 31, 2025, 5:45 am • 0 0 • view
Crush them anyway possible. Any. Way. Possible.
jul 30, 2025, 9:10 pm • 1 0 • view
In this case counter gerrymandering would be the moral high ground. Figure out all states fair numbers, then counter gerrymander to balance the numbers where they should be. Not to take more or give them less, just to bring it back around to fair based on what the people want.
jul 30, 2025, 11:50 pm • 1 0 • view
How exactly do you “moral high ground “ with child rapists , again ?
jul 30, 2025, 10:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Fuck the moral high ground!
jul 30, 2025, 11:26 pm • 1 0 • view
Also, the Supreme Court has said that gerrymandering is perfectly OK, they even said it’s “just part of the game”, so, we either play or we continue to lose. Once it’s done, the only way to undo it is by somehow winning a gerrymandered election and changing the rules. This isn’t about “morals”.
jul 31, 2025, 6:46 am • 0 0 • view
You know who held the moral high ground? The Jews in Germany in the mid-late 30’s. Didn’t work out well for them and it isn’t working out well for the Democrats either. Sometimes (now) you must get your hands dirty in the fight for Freedom.
jul 30, 2025, 7:12 pm • 13 1 • view
That's why we must get rid of the old guard and get progressives in there.
jul 30, 2025, 11:54 pm • 3 0 • view
Either we believe in what we say we believe and we're willing to fight for it or we aren't. The Party of Aaron Burr - from the State of Aaron Burr (NY) - is behaving exactly like him. They have no principles at all to speak of. Two Tammany Hall-cosplaying New Yorkers run the Democrats in Congress.
jul 30, 2025, 7:55 pm • 1 0 • view
Not to mention SCOTUS has ruled that purposefully gerrymandering based on desired political party outcomes is perfectly fine to do.
jul 31, 2025, 12:10 am • 0 0 • view
#pedopotus
jul 31, 2025, 4:08 am • 0 0 • view
THIS!!
jul 30, 2025, 10:46 pm • 0 0 • view
Only the right wimg think the lefg wing should avoid hurting their feels. It’s the snowflake syndrome. They have assigned themselves chosen status. Ya’know let him who has not admitted any sins cast all the stones. It’s in the f47 Chinese bible
jul 31, 2025, 12:59 am • 0 0 • view
How many seats in Congress do you get by carrying the moral high ground? Zero.
jul 31, 2025, 2:58 pm • 0 0 • view
The dems need to get a backbone
jul 30, 2025, 8:24 pm • 0 0 • view
jul 31, 2025, 3:27 am • 4 0 • view
When fighting in the street, you fight by the rules of the street unless you wanna end up dead. ☠️ #resist
jul 30, 2025, 11:08 pm • 0 0 • view
Yeah but they're actively and gleefully complicit so...
jul 31, 2025, 1:06 am • 0 0 • view
Breaking: The Republicans have been doing unfair gerrymandering for decades. But maybe just maybe the Democrats might do some of that gerrymandering themselves now.
jul 30, 2025, 9:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Democrats need a solid rebranding ASAP. What they percieve as ''holding the highground'' is in fact percieved by most people as ''acting like pussies''. That's why they fail. Even Obama said it not too long ago (with different words, obviously).
jul 31, 2025, 3:52 pm • 0 0 • view
It's hardly "moral" to point and exclaim, "Look, they're not following the rules! Shame! Shame!" unless you take steps to stop or counteract them.
jul 31, 2025, 12:27 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm a big fan of The Prisoners Dilemma from game theory, and the most effective strategy for multiple rounds is mirroring - that is, if the other party screws you in one round then you screw them back the next round until they learn to cooperate. But the D's ... 1/2
jul 30, 2025, 8:36 pm • 6 0 • view
... always take "the moral high ground" & continue to play by the rules when the R's don't. And there's absolutely no reason for the R's to stop cheating & breaking the rules/laws. We must use the exact same tactics (which they can't criticize, since they're using them too) until it hurts them hard.
jul 30, 2025, 8:42 pm • 6 0 • view
The high ground is what got us here😡
jul 31, 2025, 2:44 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm fucking sick of the godamned high ground. JFC, I'll go out on a limb and generalize... the fucking Democratic men need to grow some damn balls and then follow the women who are actually in the mud pit fighting the fight.
jul 31, 2025, 12:17 am • 9 0 • view
Unfortunately I think it has become such a grave situation that almost any means should be adopted to bring Trump down....... and the whole corrupt Republican party with him. They are an absolute disgrace and a clear threat to democracy in the USA
jul 31, 2025, 7:07 am • 0 0 • view
Holding onto moral high ground is why we are here. I’m all for doing the right thing but it’s either fight dirty, shut down the country or take to the streets
jul 30, 2025, 10:57 pm • 2 0 • view
Gerrymander Everything Everywhere All at Once!
jul 30, 2025, 8:06 pm • 15 0 • view
We can play hardball and still be within the rules of baseball.
jul 30, 2025, 7:06 pm • 1 0 • view
There is NO moral high ground in a raw power grab, when their end goal is to destroy the U.S. constitution.
jul 30, 2025, 8:22 pm • 0 0 • view
🎯 This is definitely NOT a “when they go low we go high moment”
jul 30, 2025, 9:49 pm • 0 0 • view
It is all out war. Moral high ground arrives when we beat them.
jul 30, 2025, 6:56 pm • 18 1 • view
exactly.....if people wanted a "moral highground" then the majority of voters wouldnt have voted for a moralless bankrupt person twice.
jul 30, 2025, 7:21 pm • 4 0 • view
I've seen the Dems, they shouldn't be on any damn moral high ground!!!
jul 31, 2025, 1:02 am • 0 0 • view
If dems continue to hang on to moral highground, this nation is sunk. We Have to fight Fire with Fire.
jul 31, 2025, 12:18 pm • 1 0 • view
If the Dems in Congress keep to the middle of the road politics they'll be replaced by people who will fight.. capitulation is not a viable strategy..
jul 31, 2025, 3:41 pm • 0 0 • view
YES! This is why dems are spineless and helpless right now.
jul 30, 2025, 8:07 pm • 1 0 • view
Looking at the makeup of Congress and elected officials across the country and imagining that these people have any degree of morality is a fools errand
jul 31, 2025, 12:58 pm • 1 0 • view
Couldn’t agree more- The POTUS is a convicted felon, an adjudicated sexual abuser and habitual liar- There appears to be NO MORAL HIGHGROUND in the USA- If Dem leaders are afraid to engage they should get out of the way!
jul 31, 2025, 12:47 pm • 1 0 • view
WTF? This is why they are losing support. They need to understand that it’s not politics as usual.
jul 31, 2025, 2:22 am • 0 0 • view
That’s y we r gonna lose
jul 30, 2025, 10:45 pm • 0 0 • view
Not responding to the moment is just asking the Dems to rollover and play dead. Fuck that. Maybe we blue states gerrymander hard about, both sides can make it illegal to do so, but Elbridge Gerry has been dead for over 200 years and it hasn’t happened yet.
jul 31, 2025, 12:02 pm • 0 0 • view
The moral high ground will return when Democrats take the lead again. NOW is the time to get Trump removed for his endless crimes. I’m truly surprised so many people are afraid of the stained-pants bully.
jul 30, 2025, 9:55 pm • 0 0 • view
If it's going to be a fucking gerrymandering war, blue states better get moving because the nazis have a head start.
jul 30, 2025, 11:58 pm • 7 0 • view
There is no high ground. It's trench warfare from here on. And they have most of the weaponry.
jul 31, 2025, 1:39 pm • 0 0 • view
and a fraud and a liar and...
jul 31, 2025, 12:23 am • 0 0 • view
The drawing of lines is the simple question of “Which party is most aligned with the public’s values, and to what degree?” On issue after issue, from abortion to climate to economy to minority rights to tax policy, Illinoisans agree with Democrats.
jul 31, 2025, 7:47 pm • 0 0 • view
If every 🌊 state doesn't totally gerrymander themselves to offset the 🎈 states, we're f*k'd forever. CA is so balanced that we should easily get 5-10, even 15 more 🌊 Representatives.
jul 30, 2025, 7:23 pm • 6 2 • view
Dems better get a backbone quick before they lose another election
jul 31, 2025, 3:07 am • 0 0 • view
jul 31, 2025, 1:25 am • 0 0 • view
Look at it this way: Increasing Dem reps via counter gerrymandering IS holding the moral high ground. Winning means we can help people. Now, that's moral.
jul 31, 2025, 12:07 am • 1 0 • view
I think it’s ORAL high ground at this point
jul 30, 2025, 11:18 pm • 0 0 • view
Defeating fascists by any means necessary is inherently the highest moral ground possible!
jul 30, 2025, 9:33 pm • 11 0 • view
The moral thing is to stop ICE, save Gaza and protect trans youth I would think
jul 30, 2025, 6:34 pm • 47 0 • view
These are the people that honestly think that bullies will stop if they don't get a reaction. But that's not true, is it? Bullies stop when they get punched in the face by someone they have deemed 'weaker' than them.
jul 30, 2025, 10:33 pm • 3 0 • view
If Dems give up their integrity, I won't vote for them. The problem is education. The corrupt people in office are lying to the American public and Americans are too ignorant and lacking in critical thinking and research skills to recognize it. That's what we need to fix.
jul 31, 2025, 4:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Gerrymander them to oblivion. Hit them faster and harder.
jul 31, 2025, 2:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Dems literally ran on genocide, deportation, and transphobia last cycle. They have no “moral high ground”.
jul 30, 2025, 11:11 pm • 3 0 • view
The moral high ground is the left's heaven. It's there somewhere, doing something...
jul 31, 2025, 6:07 am • 0 0 • view
The moral high ground argument has definitely CHANGED. We have to be as ASSERTIVE as REPUBLICANS.
jul 30, 2025, 10:22 pm • 2 0 • view
Dems like @gavinnewsom.bsky.social @govpritzker.illinois.gov @governor.ny.gov @wesmoore.bsky.social and every Democratic governor should gerrymander the shit out of their states! 💪🏼 🙌🏼💙🇺🇸 EVERY. SINGLE. BLUE. STATE. #FightFireWithFire 🔥 #TakeBackTheHouse2026 🙌🏼 #DemocratsForTheWin 🙌🏼 #DemsForTheWin 🙌🏼
jul 31, 2025, 2:12 am • 1 0 • view
Child rapist...
jul 30, 2025, 7:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Winning is the high ground!
jul 30, 2025, 7:57 pm • 0 0 • view
It does not mean anything goes. It means beat them at their own game.
jul 31, 2025, 5:23 am • 0 0 • view
they have no morals, the GOP has no morals. You can't fight that sitting down wishing they would be nice.
jul 30, 2025, 11:58 pm • 1 0 • view
Fuck - OF COURSE! Why would we bendover to these cretins? One red state changes their districts then that automatically all blues states must respond in kind. California alone would crush Texas's move. It could make it never Republicans will never ever take the House again.
jul 31, 2025, 3:12 am • 0 0 • view
This is precision. 🎯
jul 30, 2025, 10:56 pm • 4 0 • view
32+ convictions + rape, including defrauded children charities
jul 30, 2025, 8:21 pm • 1 0 • view
And do are too many in his orbit.
jul 30, 2025, 9:24 pm • 0 0 • view
If our leaders would only recognize the game they are in and play by the new rules. F your wishing for the past man up and win.
jul 31, 2025, 12:23 am • 1 0 • view
We're LOSING our Democracy because some people are still in the " when they go low, we go high," mode of thinking.
jul 30, 2025, 7:07 pm • 36 0 • view
Based on their performance..... I think somewhere along the way that morphed into a "when they go low we get high" mode of drinking.
jul 30, 2025, 9:45 pm • 9 0 • view
🤭
jul 30, 2025, 10:30 pm • 1 0 • view
It is a good way to be but if you're dealing with people that lie every time their mouths open you have to hit back. They seem to be good at that kind of thing when they want to get elected, where are they now?
jul 30, 2025, 11:34 pm • 1 0 • view
The President is an actual felon convicted on 34 charges.
jul 30, 2025, 10:35 pm • 0 0 • view
And Democrats sat back for years and allowed him in. Democrats share the blame!!!
jul 31, 2025, 1:05 am • 0 0 • view
I don't disagree with that. And they were certainly outwitted by Mitch McConnell on more than one occasion.
aug 1, 2025, 8:04 pm • 1 0 • view
They've had MULTIPLE opportunities over the years to do all this stuff they're bitching about now and, as Democrats always do, they failed. They paint a rosy picture though as they blatantly lie to us. They had all 3 during the Obama years, what did they do?
aug 1, 2025, 8:17 pm • 0 0 • view
Also, do the Dems even have any more high ground when they were happy to be bipartisan partners in genocide??
jul 31, 2025, 1:26 am • 0 0 • view
Who the hell is saying that? That's exactly the kind of mealy mouthed wussiness that's gotten us here.
jul 30, 2025, 10:40 pm • 1 0 • view
Right? They need to redraw every map possible and quickly.
jul 31, 2025, 5:20 am • 0 0 • view
Right?! That ship has SAILED.
jul 30, 2025, 9:54 pm • 6 0 • view
That's a copout so they don't have 2do anythin. Same ole playbook When it comes 2endin a primary they didn't hesitate, wrote a bill 2prot Jews from attacks & antisemitism written & voted on as little as a few hrs, or they'll fight hard when it's one of their own challengin the status quo 4the ppl.
jul 31, 2025, 7:47 pm • 0 0 • view
I figure the Dems have the moral high ground if they aren't rapists and grifters.
jul 30, 2025, 8:11 pm • 0 0 • view