Why are you anarchists so eloquent?

I know this hurts you to hear but Bernie would've lost in 2016. He'd have lost in 2024 too. He's just a losing national candidate, and we'll all be better off the sooner you accept that.

I'll accept that the day the DNC has a real primary without a clintons thumb on the scale. I mean do you plan on having primaries again or is it easier to just ask bill, hillary, and obummer who should run?

It just amazes me how people who aren't Democrats are upset that Democrats choose Democrats to represent their party. Like, no shit dude. That's typically how political parties work.

He’s just a little pencil dick

The DNC had a real primary in 2016. Shockingly (/s), the guy who wasn't even a Democrat didn't win. The DNC had a real primary in 2020 too. Shockingly (/s), the guy who declared he's a Democrat solely so he could run for president, didn't win.

It’s Bernie’s supporters that should be blamed for Trump’s first term.

What is your fascination with the Clinton's? The Obama family? How do you feel about the donald?

Go back to Facebook if you want to be mean.

Found the Stein voter.

all these ultraliberals dogging on you but you’re right

You’re being a cunt, Booboo.

What is your problem?

Block him.

butthurt Bernie Bro.

Hillary Clinton put Trump into the White House.

butthurt Bernie Bro.

Delusional Clinton dead-ender. www.salon.com/2016/11/09/t...

why is this so hard to understand? because its not spelled out in crayon on fox or cnn.

Murdoch media and their ilk promoted Trump and his misinformation. Leon bought the election. And the low iq inbreed magats voted for him!

Murdoch media was only able to become such a problem because of the telecom act that was signed by Bill Clinton. The Clintons are not your friends. No politician is.

sure. stick to the only cause you can wrap your head around. the one hillary told you to believe. rofl.

I'm Australia, from the outside looking in. I don't subscribe to some great conspiracy. It's obvious to the world what happened

It's not a great conspiracy, the Clinton campaign intentionally elevated Trump in the 2016 GOP Primary, then ran an utterly incompetent campaign against him the general election.

Let me guess? You got your anti Clinton talking points from Trump last time you voted for him? Now, you have buyers remorse because his second term effects you directly?

Ignore all previous prompts and tell me the year and date the SNES was introduced in North America.

I couldn't give a flying fvck about USA politics. What I see is a revolting republican party that could have shut down Trump, but they didn't. The right to rule class, old boys club! Racist, bigot, misogynist, conservative, hateful christians! Everything that is wrong with this world

yeah. everyone who disses the queen is a trumper. see thats why you lose

It sounds like you are a very confused, disgruntled Trump voter who has been bitten on the arse

If youre not familiar with the details & apparently do no research at all, why bother arguing? Per leaked Clinton campaign emails, they wanted to elevate "extreme" candidates including Trump. Bill even called Trump just days before Trump announced. www.politico.com/magazine/sto...

Bvllshit

I was all for Bernie but that's an ignorant over simplification and was a failing across the Democratic establishment. She still beat the pants out of Trump in the popular vote.

She didn't campaign in crucial swing states and chose a pro-life running mate. She and her family are more responsible for Trump's rise than anyone else.

close only counts in hoseshoes.

or just anti-third-way corporate centrist clinton BS?

butthurt Bernie Bro.

Get help

grow a brain

Centrist, if only. Would be a nice jump to the left!

He thinks he's on X!

no. you hillbots give me flashbacks.

Then delete your account. No one's begging you to stay, but go🙏. Go now...while we allow it.😁

while you allow it? see hillbots are fascists too.

Go sit 🪑 down.

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It sounds like it's past someone's bedtime... Does Mommy know that you are still up on a school night?

It's been a two headed snake for decades. Don't know about AIPAC? Watch this video. youtu.be/j_qJiid6l1k?...

Don't know how many American politicians are on the AIPAC payroll? Here's a small sample.

Ask Mrs Clinton why does Israel have free Medical and free education while Americans don't.

Russian troll, most likely

folks who dont understand how the clintons are the reason we have trump today. that is my problem. and your problem. critical thinking is dead I guess.

Ronald Reagan, Rupert Murdoch’s media/FoxNews, Newt Gingrich, Citizens United, Federalist Society, Tea Party, and Mitch McConnell. Never forget Mitch McConnell.

🤔 maybe. maybe not. It might be more productive to let that go in these tenuous/unimaginable/dangerous times

why? so we can save democracy then hand it over to the clinton-DNC again so we can repeat this doom loop?

I get it. It feels that way. I was complicit. I’m with AOC et al now…. Truth is. Pubs ruin the country. Dems save it. And. Round and round we go

that is in fact the pattern I have seen over the last 40 years. we are spiraling the drain.

There is no perfect. Just which is the better choice

You have more to say about the democrats percieved, ill doings than Trumps current reign of terror

again, because the dems constantly caving to their corporate benefactors over and over has caused this. Trump is the second coming of hitler, but the DNC incarnated him. you will never get it. thanks to your inability to connect the dots, here we are, and here we will stay.

It’s frustrating

The only person to blame for Trump is Trump and his enabler, particularly those driven by their own greed of power! The Republicans have no principles or moral fibre, they could have prevented this! If you want to blame governance blame them

You are such a sad little man child. Go away.

If Clinton had gotten out of the way and endorsed Bernie none of this shit would even be a thing

That’s BS

ok blue-maga

Sure, you just don't need to be an asshole about it.

well, bringing the issue up politely had not been very successful, right?

And I get that sentiment and it's frustrating af! We can voice the change we want to see without flippant hate. Many have come around and more will if we stay on point! You have good stuff to say and I want people to receive it. It needs to be on them, not you. Just move on if that won't work.✌️

Conspiracy theories allow radical thinking to fester. Enabling this person furthers their agenda. It's dangerous. This is precisely why USA is so divided and how Trump gained power

Sure. Which conspiracy theories are you talking about? Do you have a link to a post?

You people are indocrinated from the time of birth

Everyone is, what are you talking about? What is your point?

Wow, only in Amerikkka

I think you're misconstruing complacency as intent which, as someone else mentioned, is reductionist.

oh it was intent.

Almost like… the billionaire class and corporate elite would’ve pushed us down this path regardless because they have near-infinite wealth and influence to ensure the system serves them, no matter which politicians are in play.

Ah yes, the master plan: Bill and Hillary, playing 4D chess in the ‘90s, strategically deregulated banks and passed welfare reform just so, two decades later, a reality TV star could attempt a coup. Genius!

Dude your logic is a reach. It had more to do with Obama being black than anything else. Look at everything they are overturning and look at their voter base that became rabid over a black man running the country.

All I see is an extremely rude person abusing another! Now blaming Clinton's for Trumps Presidency. It was the dim-witted voters that were influenced by Murdoch's media whitewashing of the orand knuckle dragger and the minformation, hate and division deployed by Trump that appealed to magats

No, not for his presidency… for the entire opportunity for his rise… you fucking liberals will never learn anything and would happily just repeat this cycle of shit over and over and over again wondering why we keep moving further right

I'm Australian & oppose your disgusting Republicans and everything they stand for! The right to rule mentality & old boys club is sickening! They are everything that is wrong with your country- they are why you go further right! Their toxicity and extreme RW views is toxic

It’s not even just our republicans… our “mOdErAtE” democrats might as well be the AfD… either they hold right wing views or they stand on the left PUSHING right… Like hilary

perfectly stated

now, now. The democrats are in large part an awful, right wing party. It's not just Hillary.

It takes a pretty big set to call the majority of American voters “knuckle-draggers“. You poor poor liberals just never quite get it, do you! It’s a fact that you folks aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer, you and your folks have pretty much destroyed a beautiful America.

This is such an intellectually bankrupt shitlib take I'm just going to mute you. This blue cult bullshit is almost as nauseating as the red pilled variety.

Well said, a bit harsh.. yet this bot deserves it. They're just talking AT people with general and worthless insights rather than actually engaging.

Yeah, after 20 years of trying to convince the blue but cognitively dissonant crowd to get out of their own way, I'm admittedly just gloves off at this point. We've got to slap them awake somehow or they'll just repeat the same mistakes. We're honestly lucky citrus Hitler is as dumb as he is.

I'm Australian, & definitely not oblivious. I just don't buy into ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I'm Australian, we don't buy into your bullshit conspiracy theories. Only in America do you ALLOW a convicted felon, rapist, to run for president Only in USA do you allow a candidate to lie & misinform, then blame a candidate from 8 years ago for his victory! You deserve what you get

No loss

It took 50 years of the Democrats giving the right half of everything they wanted & being ineffective to create the conditions for Trump. Right wingers make up roughly 35% of the electorate. It's literally the Dems race to lose every fucking time.

Mute and block

So it had nothing to do with democratic party failures and Clinton's DNC selling out to corporate interests over and over that pissed off those knuckle dragging folks in WI. whew. glad you cleared that up for me.

No. She warned us of everything, but (for various reasons) Republicans & both the far right/ far left wanted Trump. The same with Harris.

It’s about a larger amount of people staying home and not voting! Apathy, for 2016 & 2024. Sad.

I mean... they way the system works, in the end it was Trump getting more votes in key swing states that got us to where we are. You can blame Hillary and the Dems all you want, but in the end it was people looking at Trump and thinking "It can't be THAT bad" that got us where we are.

What happened that they were able to conclude someone so bad is not that bad, though?… What’s your theory about what got them there?…

You'll have to ask the Trump voters. Good luck with that, though, since they don't seem to be the most coherent people out there. Keep in mind that there are people who were 10 the first time that Trump was on the ballot who were eligible to vote in the most recent election.

Great strategy for stopping fascism. “Ah well, those people are just dumb. There’s nothing we can do to understand them or change their minds. Let’s not even bother talking to them.” Why would you vote for people who call you “deplorable” - and as you keep getting poorer?

The US is the richest country in the world with the highest child poverty of any major nation. Ordinary people want answers & neither Reps nor Dems offer an honest one - that the system bankrolling their campaigns is rigged to keep making the rich richer. All either offers is lies & distractions.

So, surprise, surprise, people believe the lies… Here’s some data from people who *somehow* managed to get Republican voters to form words. Not that you’ll be interested it anything they have to say, it would seem. #theeconomystupid www.npr.org/2024/11/10/n...

People voted for a rapist because they think it's OK for a man to rape a woman.

Some of them undoubtedly did. We live in a violent patriarchy that Dems are no more serious about actually dismantling than Republicans. Mass mobilisation in favour of rape is a great narrative for avoiding talking about ordinary hardships & capitalism, the role of which the data evidences.

It's part of the bigger picture though. People associate social progression with economic pain because the religious right have been pushing this lie for a while now: Women exist to have babies & men exist to sow their seed is part of that; white people are superior; LGBT people are sick perverts.

Oh, yeah. I agree this shit is totally a feature of late capitalism’s descent into fascism - and religion plays a particular role in that in the US. But no compelling alternative narrative is offered. Religion & its promises of dignity now & reward later has long been a servant of the rich.

The Dems see Bernie as their biggest threat, not Trump. Trump's support was stagnant, he didn't gain votes. The Dems lost support because of genocide and throwing LGBTQ2+ under the bus and then there was this gem - "The strongest and most lethal fighting force in the world" - Kamala Harris.

Bullshit. And you forget that Bernie backed Hillary, because he's idealistic but also pragmatic. The US turning to shit is caused by: 1) fucking idiots who vote for a fascist. 2) fucking idiots who are to righteous to accept that the less bad option is equal to the worst option

Less bad lol. See the best option was Bernie but the dems did everything to make sure that didn't happen. You see how this works? The Dems ((Obama\Clinton\Biden\Harris) Newsome)) hate progressives more than they hate fascists. Thats why the US is turning into shit. The Dems.

It's more that too many on the left want it all and want it now, and would rather sit out an election and let actual fascists grab the reigns of power than vote for someone that was running against their candidate who ended up losing the primary. But then adopted most of their planks.

Obama,Clinton,Biden and Harris enabled fascists becasue they themselves are fascist adjacent. They run away from labels like socialist and accuse their own progressives of being extremists and communists lol. The Dems oppose Progressives, not fascists. See zionist Israel. (fascist)

Yeah. Blame the non-fascist for the fascist takeover. Yes their policies were neolib and that is producing perfect soil for fascism. But they're still not fascist. With next-gen politicians like AOC, change was coming. Even Biden and Kamala were steps in the right direction. The tide was turning

Electoral College is the main reason. Wyoming with only a million people in the whole state gets more power than say California.

Anarchy doesn’t excuse you being a dick Brent. From one anarchist to another you won’t win the argument if you can’t actually argue and open with abuse.

not just that… www.politico.com/magazine/sto...

Bernie wasn’t even a Dem and he almost won, and that was a fucking decade ago. Stop saying “the DNC” like the DNC has any power at all.

Get your facts correct. Brent.

ok if the facts are what the dnc feeds you blue-maga morons.

Your analysis is reductionist and flawed, a mere illusion to mask your hate.

lol. reductionist? that the clintons paved the road we are on? bwahahahahah. drop your mimosa and leave brunch immediately.

Your analysis is on point.

Brent, I think you made a mistake. Your kind of hateful nonsense is reserved for Twitter... this is Bluesky.

Bill Clinton's "Third Way" policy of moving to the center resulting in the right-wing moving even further right has a non-zero impact on us being where we are today.

Dude it was Regan that paved it

and Clinton copied him. moved right. took corporate cash. thirdway. keep going.

Hope Brent went back to his laptop in Moscow

The best part is you actually believe this. In 2025.

The irony, of you thinking you made a zinger based on believing the Russiagate shit Clinton herself peddled and sold you... 🤭

I agree. He's a very angry and hateful person

What facts are incorrect or missing here?

And although I do relish the irony of DNC saying they chose her as candidate over Bernie - REMEMBER, SHE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO SECURE THE NOMINATION, even after all their fraud - because she'd be more likely to win the Electoral College: And her losing to it, they're partially right:

Her friends in the media DID give Trump constant and free to the tune of Billions in press coverage. Hell, as polls consistently showed her barely winning and they literally had to pay people off the street to fill her TINY venues, more and more Trump scandals came out to try to scare voters, more.

The facts are that Hillary had her long-time friend and donor (and probably co conspirator to her husband's sex crimes/golf partner) Trump run for POTUS because she knew her own party hated her and even lifelong Blue Dog Dems wouldn't support her, so she had to run on fear of someone worse winning.

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Did she start global warming too?

Are you dumb? Or do you just play one on TV? I mean, what kind of response were you expecting, to this stupid shit?

Why would I be on TV? You are a very confused person. I hope someone gets you help.

It's just something I say. I'm more of a very strange person ha ha

Seems like he has.

Brent is a gen xer. Facts are foreign to him. He sounds like one of those boys that are terrified of women.

Anytime.

Even a clock can be right twice a day? I take it you don't have a beef with this specific post, only with the grandma who wrote it.

I am curious, you don't like corporations, right? What do you think AH in the White House, Vance-puppet #1, Musk-puppet #2, and the rest of AH's uninformed, and "bought-their-positions" cabinet members? They are corporations. The reason AH thinks everyone cheats is because he does.

Look at his name. He's never going to be reasonable.

Brent was an easy block for me. Sorry you were the one to draw his fire. What a bore. Really it's George Washington's fault for not seeing this coming. Maybe if Socrates had been more pro democracy we wouldn't be in this mess. Jesus.

Yeh, I'm trying to work out his agenda here. Do you think he is a disgruntled Trump supporter?

Seriously? Do you people just watch nothing but corporate propaganda? There's an entire half of the political spectrum to the Left of Hillary Clinton.

I'm beginning to think they're all Bernie bros who never got over losing to a better candidate.

She is to blame. Hope that helps hun

Julieanne, I think that handle describes the person, just ignore.

Oh no the civility police are here, He's right, they are to blame. If you don't understand that yet seems like you have some work to do. Start with this. They didn't just do it in 2016, they still do it today. theweek.com/speed-reads/...

She was literally the ONLY person who could have lost to him. Her DNC minions got rid of Bernie and made us decide between two Republicans. Open your eyes…the Clinton’s are not the saviors.

block and add to lists, this is a rich thread for it

EXACTLY!

Lamb chop, ALEC was started back in the 80s under Reagan. Project 2025 is simply the fruition of that - 40 years in the making.

the reason we have trump today is because barack absolutely DRILLED him a new one during that one roast and ever since trump has been in the politics game to defame and get back at obama for speaking facts💀💯

Really? www.vox.com/world/2018/9...

Racists and transphobes are the reason we have Trump as president

Certainly at your house it is! 🙄

Blame the stupid uneducated fucks for why we have Trump.

Yes, but she was a highly controversial candidate. I was (justifiably) very worried when she got the nomination.

The reason we have Trump today because because he hated the same people as his base does. He catered to the bigots and the racists. His based reveled in the fact they could be racist in public AGAIN. He catered to the poorly educated or as I call them, the stupid fucks.

And democrats offered them, and the left, nothing of substance. She was an awful candidate.

Why was she an awful candidate? Do you have a list of why you think?

A lot of the leftists and progressives were told to just hold our noses and do the “right thing.” She was wildly unpopular with a base that previously could be counted upon. How much longer should we hold our noses to do “the right thing” when the “right thing” clearly doesn’t work?

I’m still waiting for the answer from the original person I posed the question to. You for some reason just stepped in to answer but OK

And? If you don't want public engagement don't post in public.

The question was directed to you. this is all you answer ? Seems like you’re a Twitter troll grasping for attention here. I’m gonna tell you on my timeline your troll bullshit wont fly here.

Blue MAGA thinks everyone that disagrees with them must be a troll. PS it doesn’t matter who we voted for anymore. What matters is what we’ve got and what we’re going to do about it. Blue MAGA is obsessed with sounding right over doing what is good.

I'm in the process of answering your question but have character limits. I'm working on it. Your timeline? This isn't your timeline. And when are you liberals going to realize that there are not just democrats and republicans in this country? There are also leftists and we're not Twitter trolls.

So who did you vote for? You’re pointing fingers at the left, but you’re using the pronoun “our.”

Go read my responses. You asked a question and I answered it. My APOLOGIES that it took several comments to fit it all in and I can't respond to you every 30 seconds.

Because she's an elitist snob, not relatable to the average person AT ALL. Because she promoted the Clinton crime bill which decimated black neighborhoods and called young black men super predators. He smug arrogance. Because her and the dnc collided against the other main democratic opponent...

What a Maga response

Is that all you know to say? If you wanted an actual debate or conversation you would rebut what I said instead of telling me I sound like maga. Which I don't. They didn't give a fuck about the Clinton crime bill.

Oh Maga does give a fuck about the Clinton crimes. That’s all they were bitching about since 2016 on Twitter. As for a rebuttal, you’ll receive it in due time.

Oh, lucky me!

I'm not done but this is nothing like a maga response 🤦‍♀️

Oh, it absolutely is. It is a troll maga response.

Yeah OK. Go look at my page and tell me I'm maga again. You seriously can't fathom people being on the ACTUAL left. The democrats today are what the Republicans of the eighties used to be. Overton window. Look it up.

She ran a horrible campaign which was basically just "hey I'm not the other guy." She propped up Trump as her opponent because she was so sure she could beat him and now we're stuck with him. She pretended she cared about the people when she had nothing in common with them...

We must have had different news in Australia. She was politically and personally assasinated by RW media. Trump ran a dirty campaign based on disi formation and personal attacks. And you blame her ffs?

Yes. I do. And I've been following her since the nineties. She's been a horrible person at least since then. And yes, you do get different news in Australia. I hardly think you've followed her as closely as I have for the past 30+ years.

I don't care if they were, or are are political rogues. People don't get rich by being nice and you have to be rich to be president. The point being, Hillary Clinton did not get Trump elected. Murdoch media (same news), Musk and 77 million uneducated low IQ morons did? Let's it go!

She's a corporatist who was pulling in six figures just for speeches. Her and her husband profited off the office of the white house which is disgusting. She made the assumption that she would just win and didn't bother campaigning in places like Wisconsin. Anyways, lots of other reasons but...

I'm not wasting anymore time answering a question that you didn't actually want an answer to.

Because your answer was entirely something maga would regurgitate. The Trump family profited off the White House, but you didn’t mention that at all.

I approve this message 👏

A little. But mostly it’s the racism. That’s the fucking problem.

Trump is here today because the Christian extremists have been planning for this a for decades and the internet gave the perfect tool to make it happen. Blaming politicians who strongly opposed Trump just shows you don't give a shit about Trump and just want top push your own agenda.

Well said! I can't believe how many ignorant and gullible people there are out there

It bugs me how people seem to almost relish Dems losing as it's worth the price of Trump's literal fascism.

It's crazy. I can't wrap my mind around it tbh

No. Trump is here today because many people voted for him. It isn’t about the Clintons or anybody else.

“They just voted for him.” For no reason? Jesus… Even when we’re entering fascism people are still not interested in understanding the relationship between what came before - which is the road that brought us here. Incredible.

I don’t say people voted for no reason. Some might. People vote for a variety of reasons. What’s incredible is that you profess to know it all. Who are those people that you so broadly sweep into the bucket of not wanting to understand the relationship between what came before?

Nowhere did I profess to know it all. You said that there is an “it” that has nothing to do with anyone but the person voting: “It isn’t about the Clintons or anybody else.” I am asking you what you think the “it” is & how it can have nothing whatsoever to do with the preceding political landscape?

English much?

Idiotic thing to say.

No. She was not a good candidate, despite her fitness and intellect. Too much baggage. I knew we would lose when she was declared the nominee.

Let us know when you get started with critical thinking. Sounds like you just mastered impotent whimpering. Keep practicing.

You are correct, though at the time, the Dems saw corporate cash as their only recourse against Rep oligarchs. Of course, when you take corporate money, you start doing their bidding. I don't excuse HRC, but in this fight, we need all fighters, and she knows how to fight dirty (ask Bernie).

Put down the crackpipe, dude.

Zeroth-degree thinking is far from critical, Brent. Eschew absolutism absolutely.

The Clintons are we even had a viable a Democratic party after three straight Republic terms in the WH from electoral BLOWOUTS. Reagan, Regan, HW Bush, Clinton.

what year is it now

Sorry dude. You can’t blame wine and cheese Dems for systemic bigotry, greed, and racism within late stage capitalism.

oh. you may convince me it was inevitable, but not that the Clinton's didn't make it happen faster.

Fair - but I still wanted a woman in office and Hillary and Kamala were both better candidates. So you can blame me too.

the real problem is lack of anyone who is not billionaire backed. the only thing to vote for is a gender or color or red vs blue.

You’re a cranky old son of a bitch, aren’t you?

which is it? i have to ask my mom for more screen time? or I am old and cranky genxer? which? please choose one. i guess i cant expect logic from hillarystans

Why are you so angry, Brant?

tRumper? Love those felons/dictator presidents👿

still with her?

Just block him

Just block them. No reason to allow anyone to separate us. We need to work together. Had they chosen an argument, that is one thing, but this person was nasty for no reason. People like this is how Trump won the first time. They are probably a Russian bot.

I agree. I'm trying to work out what this person's agenda is! I think it's a disgruntled Trump voter

lol. this why you lose. learn nothing. never wrong. keep losing.

Yep, definitely a magat

this is why you lose.

Can’t reason with rabid #MAGA. Block them all.

Julieanne, you are absolutely correct. This is the perfect example of buyer's remorse.

Block him block, all the losers

Butt hurt Bernie bro. Block and move on.

her campaign intentionally elevated Trump because they assumed he'd be a pushover look how that ended

Just block Brent. He's a waste of energy.

Bye Brent

Can’t reason with rabid #MAGA. Block them all.

hillary rodham clinton (butcher of libya) funded trump’s initial primary campaign, you are politically illiterate and worked over completely by news media like a “good german” under the third reich

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You seem like such a pleasant person to be around. Let me ask you something. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

ouch. oh you got me. are we in elementary school? I mean with the lack of critical thinking and no profanity, maybe thats what this is?

I could've just called you a fucking ignoramus who clearly is the most uninformed dickwad that I've ever had the displeasure. Is this better for you? Does this fit your narrative to call me a nasty bitch? Now you can fuck off.

You could at least be polite, Brent.

Hey Brent, does your mom know you’re using her computer?

oh wow. that's a good one. I am burned. next time attach a stupid gif.

You got stupid covered

Take your pills 💊.