I think he means that maga will use his murder to make him a martyr ala Ashlii Babbitt as a reason for retaliatory violence.
I think he means that maga will use his murder to make him a martyr ala Ashlii Babbitt as a reason for retaliatory violence.
I’ll answer that by saying when have the MAGAts not been commuting violence in support of Trump? Walmart shooting in Texas, Pelosi husband, legislature couple in Minnesota, gabby Gifford…… they’ve been living political violence and have empowered by the current regimes cult. Including Kirk.
Right.
Yes they were five minutes after the incident blaming it on trans people and threatening a revenge spree. They are gonna do what they do, and they clearly are shedding no tears for him.
Oh I agree mos def with all of that, all I'm saying is that being a prick about it could give them something "legit" to rally behind. Guarantee they're going to use all the "happy he's dead" rhetoric to paint targets on the rest of us.
They’d do it anyway. Just like they always do. You’re trying to be rational about this when the maga extremists are not rational. At all ever. This is a violence embracing regime, until it affects them.
Agreed, my point was that they can now use this to legitimize any revenge shooting against social influencers on the other side.
It doesn’t matter. They will use -ANYTHING to legitimize the violence.
Yup, however, giving them a martyr just empowers them even more.
"giving them a martyr" for all we know this is an inside job
Same outcome.
Who’s giving them a martyr? Are you presuming the shooter is not one of them? We know nothing about who shot Kirk, political leanings or otherwis. The fact that someone got away without a trace presents many troubling questions.
This is the sht I'm talking about. youtu.be/ez0M-2ONCDM?...
They gave themselves a martyr. This is their jam. Make them eat it, as rancid as it is.
You obviously don't want to, but you need to wake up
At this point the only thing I wake up to is my own point of view, not anyone else's ideology or politics.
It doesn’t. Jesus. They don’t need a reason to do what they were always going to do. You all sound like abused spouses. Oh if I just say this or I don’t say that, he won’t hit me. No babes, he wants to hit you and there will always be an excuse.
This is it.
Nope, all I'm presenting is what is most likely going to be the next level of political violence in this country, not excusing those crazy mfkas for anything and to be ready when they use this to pop off.
So be it.
And I’m saying that always the next step. I know you aren’t excusing the violence. I am saying you are being too rational. They want to do the violence. If it wasn’t this, it’s something else. Because these people believe that they are justified because of who they are.
So I'm just "presenting the obvious"? Fair enough.
Dam girl.... u just cut right 2 the chase there with the abused spouse analogy .... nicely done ;-)
It’s giving people do not understand power dynamics and violence from the oppressor is different from violence from the oppressed.
Yes. And most of these people advocating non-violence are privileged white people who are not directly affected by the violence hate-filled sponsored snakes like Charlie Kirk encouraged.
Yep.
It's like when The Dem leadership keeps insisting on doing things by a book that the Right has long since thrown away.
Yes. "I need to be socially appropriate about this to prevent them from violently retaliating against me" can be useful advice, but not in this case. If I was offline all day and didn't know this happened, Trump's goons would just pull up some shit I drunk-posted & forgot about 10 years ago
This is so spot on.
Right?! What are they wanting to do that they aren't already doing or feel that they can do whenever they choose? This thinking that they are holding back, for what? moral reasons? - it's just bizarre and naive.
They make martyrs out of any and all…fuck it, they are a cult!
possibly, but that’s already happened. one more or less person making fun of it online isn’t making any difference to that
Agreed.
How do inhuman fools have martyrs? Please explain. I take out my trash daily. Its trash because its trash. Learn to throw it away. They were wrong to begin with. Every part of them is a mistake. We lose people because the centrist dems entertain the idea that I should be speaking to CRIMINALS.
...asked and answered. Because they're inhuman fools.
Then mow over them. Its that simple. If you contemplate too long as to why you have to defend yourself against a rabid wolf and you have a weapon in your hand, you're probably regretting not doing it sooner.
Oh trust me, I was way past that and prepared for this a looooong time ago.
No , it gives them a reason to be afraid they might be subject to the same violence they are dishing out.
Most of them already are afraid of that. Chasing windmills is a key part of their ideology.
They have the power, they're already assassinating democrats in their beds. Nothing we can do can make it worse. They are in the streets rounding up brown people for shits and giggles.
I'm talking about the more organized among them who are media savvy, not the regular wackjob racists and homophobes. They need something like this for their messaging to the more "rational" of their bunch who might be on the fence regarding violence.
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No they can't because it won't "legitimize" shit.
That's because you're a sane person. They're not.
MAGA used the fact that they legitimately lost the election to “legitimize” the J6 failed coup. Do you and OP suggest that we all just stay home on election days, lest we trigger them into further “legitimized” acts of violence? I do not obey - or shut down / shut up - in advance.
Nope, I think we are already way past that and that it's just a matter of time before shit really pops off. A lot of us are just falsely hoping for the best but I'm a realist; shit's gonna get worse, bloody and more violent and I'm just looking at how they'll use this to get there.
Oh please. They didn't wait for any of their own to get shot before coining the phrase #SecondAmendmentRemedy. And no one had to get shot for them to start that Capitol riot on 1/6.
Martyrs give them more impetus than their regular bullshit.
As we can see, they already have more than enough "impetus." One more "martyr" won't really affect anything but the timing of future hate-speech and hate-crimes.
You're missing the point that they don't need anything. This is just another talking point for them. They don't care any more about Kirk than the people who are open about it.
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And I wonder sometimes if they even care about their own? 🤔
The ones at the top like Kirk/trump don't give a sht about the losers on the bottom tier who follow them.
This. They would do it anyway.
Spot on
Charlie told me that empathy was destructive so why would they be mad that I’m showing no empathy? Oh, wait, maybe they mean empathy is bad and destructive when its shown towards a victim of the rights hate but needed when we're talking about a right winger being Th victim
I think that in this age of the social-media economy that he was, and a lot of them are, just grifters who just start out saying whatever they think will get clicks who eventually end up sticking to it after it works, no matter if they really believe it or not until it just takes over their psyche.
In essence, they actually become the character that their business created.
They would always have manufactured a reason anyway. It makes zero difference to the road they absolutely plan to take us down.
They've BEEN trying but they know that all their manufactured reasons were all lies and bullshit as opposed to something concrete like this they are now using; bsky.app/profile/adam...
They were already building reasons to attack others, normalising those behaviours through ICE activities & pardoning J6ers. If it wasn’t this it would be something else. Even if no one said anything negative about him and the shooter is MAGA it’ll make zero difference to their plan.
...add to that our dickhead of a potus who'll no doubt use this to rile up his base then all I see is them using any post death anti-Kirk rhetoric as their marching orders. They're already unhinged, this will just add more fuel to the fire.
They can always use an excuse.
They WILL always use an excuse, however, they'll see this one as less crackpot.
Abusers are going to escalate abuse, no matter what the people they abuse do.
Trust me, the boot licker of the trump cult don't need a reason to rally. All they need is their love for trump and his hate mongering for a reason.
You mean a target like this ? They already have judged and sentenced us for years now
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I mean. Thafck?
Let's not forget Heather Heyer. They started a it's ok to run down protesters with your vehicle movement after her killing
Bingo ... that's exactly how this is going to play out.
They will do it anyway.
Yeh, at this point I'm just stating the obvious.
They used completely made-up charges of voter fraud to attack the capital.
...and they're trying to do it again.
They'll do that no matter what.
I'm talking about organizations like Fox and all the other maga outlets. They'll back off on criticizing nutjobs who kill leftwing folks but I think something like this will be considered a more legitimate reason to retaliate that they can rationalize. bsky.app/profile/adam...
I turned to FOX about an hour after it happened & the demonization of the left was in full swing. trump didn't mind an innocent audience member being killed in Pennsylvania to make himself look saved by God. IDT he would give a seconds thought to having Kirk shot to further his political war.
Those cretins find literally ANY reason to justify their hateful violence. Nothing new.
They will make him a Horst Wessel
Yup, according to Fox, looks like you're right, they are fully committed to it. NGL, I had to look that one up to get the context.
They would do that regardless of what anyone says on BS or X.
Yeh, isn't that what I said? Maybe I gotta work more on my phrasing.
Serious question. When were they not going to do that anyway? Do you think taking the high road was going to stop that?
I never said anything about taking the high road. I was just saying how they're going to use this to go further with more violence and to be prepared accordingly.
Case in point; bsky.app/profile/adam...
They are invading cities and disappearing people The violence has already started
...and I'm saying tht this will only used as a tool by them to commit more violence.
...not that we shouldn't be prepared to respond accordingly... I mean, fk it, people are in denial if they don't think we're already there now. We're now Northern Ireland vs Britain in the 1980's during the "Troubles".
They're ALREADY attacking us. Rounding up civilians and kidnapping them to offshore concentration camps with no trial or due process, dehumanizing and allowing discriminatory oppression against minority groups...Is that not political violence to you? No, I am not gonna be respectful to Goebels Jr.
Okay, starting to see a pattern here; when thafk did I say they're NOT attacking us? All I'm saying is that given the chance they prefer to use actual events like this as their reasons as opposed to their usual maga rhetoric that they know is all bullshit.
Case in point; bsky.app/profile/adam...
what about the war on Chicago and Boston? They have a new offensive for the dept of war?
Appeasing fascists to try and spare their ire has never worked before, and its not going to work now They already hate minorities and progressives for no reason, so who gives a fuck if theyre gonna be scared of them because of the new and scary possibility that their hate might get them blown away?
Who thfk is "appeasing fascists" here? Up to me I'd chain em' up all against a wall with handcuffs on. Starting to think my posts here are getting lost in translation.
...of possible usage as retaliatory hate.
Well then what the fuck DO you mean, because both tour responses are sounding like youre afraid to actually take a stance on this because
What part of "Up to me I'd chain em' up all against a wall with handcuffs on" = afraid to actually take a stance on this?
Again; I just think that you're misunderstanding my tone and intention which is easy to do online.
You. You are.
No, I think he means much closer to what he's saying: it makes people of a particular political persuasion look heartless and ghoulish. Absolute poison towards persuading the average person.
That's fine, it's not like Republicans had very high opinions of non-Republicans before today.
It is not even a little bit fine.
Neither is it new. Doesn't matter, because there they are.
Probably, but Babitts case just proves that it is of no relevance at all what any assumed lefty has to say to this, they will selfvictimize themselves anyway. The only person I could imagine to be happy abt all of this is Trump himself. That's exactly why he is escalating everything.
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Fun fact unreasonable people don't need reason to do something
...but they need to make reasonable people think their unreasonable acts are reasonable. They think that high profile assassinations, no matter if they planned it or not, achieve that.
That already happened buddy, did you just completely forget about Minnesota?
My point is that dems didn't weaponize that the way that maga/fox is/will this. bsky.app/profile/adam...
Right. We can’t control what they do by what we do.
They’re going to do that no matter what we do or say. I feel if and when they catch the shooter and find out he’s a MAGA nut they will keep that quiet.🤐 I also wouldn’t put this whole thing past Trump to make us shut up about Epstein. Like his own fake 😵 attempt.
They were going to do that shit because someone changed the logo of a dying restaurant brand like 3 weeks ago. The right is ALWAYS looking for an excuse, assuming they even go with that and don't just steamroll forward.
They will do that no matter what people say online.
that was always a given.
they will do it anyways, they claim every shooter is trans, every shooter is a leftist. you libs need to fucking stop falling for their bullshit already
First off, I'm not a "lib", I'm an independent who votes for my own best interests. Second, I'm not "falling" for shit, I'm just saying that they know that we know that their usual rhetoric is all bullshit so when something real like this happens it's like christmas for them.
they will do it anyways. no matter what the shooter could be a nazi who thinks hes not right enough, like the one who shot trump. it doesn't matter what they say the reason is, they were already gonna to do whatever they are doing. do not pretend otherwise, they've said it.
The difference is that the organized ones who want to engaged in organized violence know that most people would consider them fanatic wackjobs and think something like this would lend more credibility to their actions.
They're gonna do that anyway, if not Kirk, then a company logo. Or vaccines
Yeh, no sht. Sorry if it wasn't entirely clear but that was my point.
They're already engaging in all sorts of violence. How stupid do you have to be to think they would need an excuse?
They need what they think are "legitimate" basis' for their violence instead of their regular wackjob, maga bullshit. This is something more concrete they can use to better rationalize it. bsky.app/profile/adam...
No they don't lmao what fucking world do you live in? Did you just wake up from a 40 year coma?
Bitch, that fkn' video more than proves my point and if you don't get that then it's a "you problem". Have a nice day.
The Nazis have already been killing people you dumb little bitch
No shit, they're nazis so already know they're considered wackjobs who can't justify their violence. The violence doesn't register as effective because it's par for the course/business as usual and they know it. Something like this will make some of them think anything they do is more justified.
God you're fucking stupid
Ya mama.
They don’t even know if some Laura Loomer fan did it. MAGA doesn’t need an excuse to be violent. We can’t prevent their violence by tiptoeing around reality.
I'm saying that this is how they'll use it for their own selfish purposes and I was right. youtu.be/ez0M-2ONCDM?...
TL/DW What did he say that’s relevant?
The point is that they're using this to push false narratives around this to foment retaliatory violence against the left to build out their police state and deflect from trump's legal issues.
They’ll do that anyway.
Ashley who
I wish.
Consider false flag angle, please: 1. (allegedly) there was NO security at event 2. Perpetrator remains at large (despite early contradictory reports) 3. It happened in whytyest whyt whytville, Orem frikken UT
Nah, I'm waiting until a suspect/motive is found. However, I do understand where you're coming from and I'd be lying if I said none of that crossed my mind.
Thank you, Marine 🙏 #followed
Yo, #followedback
Thank you for your service
Whoa, I'm stealing this. Thanks!
Not theft, yours in honor 🙏
Goebbels used Horst Wessel as a martyr for the Nazi cause...Drumpf likes that particular era's playbook...look for Charlie Kirk to become one of the tipping points for the authoritarian takeover.
Yup, that's pretty much it.
Which is precisely why I lean stronger and stronger to “false flag” action. What you speak of is inevitable, given syphillitic profligate pedo loon in chag!
well, it is inevitable, but it is bigger than Drumpf...if a portion of the population would rather vote for a rapist rather than a person who has prosecuted rapists, that tells me that our society has gone beyond the bounds of decency and will goose step into fascism, willingly.
The largest cohort **chose not to vote at all** last November. Ballot counts were also manipulated; as both conOpedo & lumpi leona bragged BEFOREHAND. Speaking only for myself, I’m done w/ pablum & Kissyface. Bring it on! My Daddy taught me too, and aim is excellent & I “know how to use them”.
Yup, I was done awhile ago and my aim is good too.
I most respectfully defer, Rifleman 🙇 And I’ve still got your six 🥷
Likewise!
From my core, thank you for abiding your oath. And standing up for what we both hold so very dear.
the authoritarian playbook was back when donnie was buying ads for the central park 5
in the sense that Drumpf was a Russian asset in the early 90s, perhaps...but back then that newspaper ad only revealed his racist bigotry...our country is sleep walking into fascism.
They were already gonna do that though.
Implying the right needs an excuse to use violence
Nope, just saying that martyrs provide more impetus than their usual bullshit.
Those losers would kill him themselves to have a martyr they can use as casus belli. They don't need our actions or inaction.
They’re committing violence and enacting oppressive measures already. If it’s not one pretext, it’s another.
I’m sorry were you in a coma the last 5 years? Since when do these people need a pretense? They killed, tried to kill or kidnap like 8 people since 2020… they don’t need a reason, they’re hateful bigots.
bsky.app/profile/warr...
That will happen regardless of the the reaction on the left.
EXACTLY. I believe Elon was helping with that one. Just as Elon helped today.
Yeh but deep down they know their usual rhetoric is all bullshit that's hard to deem credible outside of their base and wish for something like this to better legitimize (in their warped minds) anything they do. Martyrs are better for that than Obama being a dictator from outer space.
They'll twist it into whatever shape they need. I've just read a post on NaziTwitter in which the Dem party was apparently responsible for the assassinations of Lincoln, JFK, MLK and now apparently CK. I think lack of education in the USA is possibly more dangerous than 2nd amendment.
Yup, but the more "sensible" of them know that's all bullshit as opposed to something real like this.
yeah she's a martyr now break into a building to steal an election climb through a broken window to the capitol with an officer on the other side of the door SCREAMING AT YOU POINTING A GUN AT YOU and you tell yourself I'm a woman, combat veteran he won't shoot me while I BREACH THIS BARRICADE
Yup, and since they were able to do it for her, they damn well will do it for him.
All the network news is hailing him as such a wonderful person.
It’s disgusting. He was a piece of shit that got what he’s been giving for years.
It's said you die how you lived. Pretty ironic he toted for guns and that's what took him out.
Yeh, too bad maga has no sense of irony.
They will just use this to spout more bullshite. They won't learn from it or learn to shut up and read the room. I already saw a fox "news " anchor trying to say it's not a coincidence that he got shot while there are mass shootings being done by trans populations. Come on.
Yup, Megyn Kelly is pushing the trans angle too on Youtube despite no suspect/motive being found yet. Looks like they already got their script/talking points.
Wouldn't put it past trump and his regime to be behind this so they can take out transgender rights to everything. Who knows with this administration.
I have no reason NOT to believe you. We will see what kind of fake conspiracy theories come out of the White House.
Yeh, I was kind of thinking that too but I'm holding off on theorizing anything for sure until a suspect/motive is found. You're right though, I really wouldn't put it past their regime to pull something like this and it sucks that I feel that way.
Same. If they don't find a suspect.... Well then maybe. Just thoughts that crossed my mind.
They do have a suspect in custody so hopefully we’ll know motive soon.
Yeh, apparently that was just some crazy guy who was screaming and yelling things that made them think he was the suspect so they let him go.
I guess time will tell who it is.
Ah. Ok.
Its really all too much.
I muted the tv. Forgot about. I see now it's still on. I get people have their right to their beliefs and speech. Especially white guys. However, his was absolutely dangerous and influenced a lot of young people.
Yup, what I don't think they understand is that they are making some people feel like they are up against a wall with no hope/future simply because they're not the same race, orientation, etc, who will figure "oh well, what thafk else I got to lose?", go get a gun and go for it.
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Exactly. Maybe instead of focusing on pronouns they should focus on poverty the effects it has on health and crime. Focus on the racism that's plaguing the streets, the justice system. Focus on mental health issues. Focus on why men of color get thrown in prison for crimes white men don't.
He was an asshole. His shooting was wrong.
But was it really a surprise?
Nope
Yes ,it was wrong. I feel for his family. Hopefully his followers can see how he contributed to his own death.
You’re asking them to have reason. If they did, they wouldn’t have been there cheering him.
Good point. People blindly following people because they mutually hate the same populations of other people.
youtu.be/-q1N6Akpz9c?... this is what hitler thinks
I can't listen to this pile of shit. I assume he praised him and it's the dems fault and he's going to punish everyone.
he said it's all your fault and your horrible america homosexuals arabs blacks IDK tldr😀🍊💩
How tf is it anyones fault yet? They didn't catch anyone. Leave it to him to turn it into this.
This was my whole, entire point.
even if he is left or right the guy is nuts 333 million people and we are going to worry about what one of us thinks?
he wrote on the bullet if you are reading this you are gay lmao
Omg he did!?
YEAH ISN'T' THAT TOO FUNNY THE GOVERNOR READ IT OUT LOAD BUT HE MISREAD IT EITHER CUZ HE WAS NERVOUS OR ON PURPOSE HE'S A DOUCHE MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT
the whole thing is stupid trump is our times hitler
Im right there with you!
Right?
They'd do it no matter what we said.
They want and need for any retaliation to be legitimized as opposed to their regular maga wackjob bullshit. They think something like this serves that purpose.
They don't need a reason for violence.
They need a non-bullshit reason for it; bsky.app/profile/adam...
Ashli Babbit's a better martyr than Kirk will be and even then... lol.
Thing is……neither can continue their campaigns of hate so martyr away, MAGAts, is my mantra.
And I think that everything that will come from this was planned long in advance, and if it wasn't Kirk, it would have been some other figure or event. He might wind up being a Franz Ferdinand, but in that case his actual death didn't cause what comes next - it just triggered something preplanned.
I'm trying to avoid going down that train of thought without any proof but like I told someone earlier; I'd be lying if I said that thought didn't cross my mind too.