Garbage in garbage out!
Garbage in garbage out!
What alternative search engines are we using?
DuckDuckGo with "Duck.ai" turned OFF.
100%. I switched to DDG for search about 18 months ago and have no regrets.
It's a shame that it is even on by default, tbh.
Sick of this AI garbage?
Thanks, that was fast and easy even w/ Firefox.
Switch to duckduckgo.
they also introduced ai.
But they give the option to completely remove it without hunting for a way, and as yet they aren't saying they're going to use it for the regular search results, which Google are going to (which will make their regular results less reliable.)
ok
As soon as Google rolled out AI and made it impossible to turn off, I switched permanently to DuckDuckGo and Brave as primary search engines. Google broke itself by relying on AI and it will get worse.
if you use the following 3 keystrokes, you can 'turn it off' _____________ -ai
Yay, that works! Thanks!
Duck duck go won't bring any better results. They just bring up article after article, none with cause of death. It isn't better than Google unfortunately seems to have the same problems. I would not be surprised if they're using an AI in the background
No, you can search with no AI in DuckDuckGo, just go to the DuckDuckGo settings.
Incredible how they let that slip away.
The need for always more money, more more more.
It's exasperating AF and like sewage, it has seeped into and across every platform and app. They don't GAF about returning valid results, they just want you on their app as long as they can keep you. Everything is shit. Everything.
Brought to you by an industry so short-sighted they didn't account for Y2K compliance.
This is what we’re raising everyone’s electricity bills and burning up all the aquifers in the south west for.
Classic case of Enshittification.
If you can afford to pay for search. Try Kagi.com and thank me later.
Yesterday I posted a search from there that purported to be about season two of stick and said that the kid golfer was played by Owen Wilson, and vice versa. It's not even close enough to be funny. BUT if you say "Tell me about fucking season two of Stick!" there is no AI. Weirdly apt.
Not only is that inaccurate; it’s downright dangerous!
Before the AI slop, though, there was the full page of sponsored results before you could get your *actual* results. This, in turn, led many people to start using ChatGPT for regular search results.
Terrible AI implementation from Google. Wrong more often than right!
Scroll right past the AI overview every time.
25 years? I’ve already been trash talking Google’s AI search with students for probably a year.
But this is the result of putting business school beam counters in charge so they'll likely show how it did increase profits marginally for the short term so it was smart of them ...etc
Wow
They are so toast
Google AI once told me that hyena’s are taller than the average human. Between 2 and 3 feet tall.
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When did the result page snippets started including poorly written AI paraphrases?
(not the "AI overview," of course, which is clearly and obviously marked. The page-specific results.)
Something I find useful when searching for reliable information is to use Google or whatever search engine lights your fire and then based upon the best results to frame a question/s and use scholar.google.com In my experience this using method you have a better chance of finding source documents
Celiac here weighing in. We generally cannot have oats. This is due to them being grown and shipped alongside wheat and/or barley, which contain gluten, and leads to cross-contamination.
If this were talking about lactose issues, it'd be fine. I would let it slide, but this is some major misinformation
Remember BlackBerry…
!
it needs to go defunct fasterrrrr
I think I first got online in 2001. The search function of Google has completely deteriorated since then, and is now almost useless.
I've been online since the 90s and I remember my dad telling us about Google. The idea back then of a search engine that actually worked was incredible.
I was trying to remember when we all got broadband up here in Upstate NY, but I just can’t remember what year that was. So much has happened lol😆
my dad worked with computers his whole life so we had dial up on a dedicated phone line at home super early
Dial up lol Young people would laugh their asses off if they knew about all the hilarious screw ups that happened back then lol They might think we made that shit up🤣
They'll be talking about the Twitter > X thing in the same breath. Ruining a several billion dollar company's entire brand recognition for one idiot's ego. I've already switched to duckduckgo for my default search engine.
Milk gluten is when you leave it sitting out and it gets chunky, right?
we decided to connect it to the lie engine, cos its the only technology that matters probably
And people think AI will run everything. Stop listening to the stoopid tech CEOs.
At least since the release if GTP 3.5, I’ve been baffled that Google hasn’t seen genAI as an existential threat and devoted huge amount of resources towards identifying AI content so it can derank it. Their real business is ads. And ads on AI content must perform worse than ads on good content
udm14.com Google without the AI nonsense.
Thrilled we can actually just turn the AI off. 🤷♀️
The first lawsuit, where Google is sued because they gave bad information like that ( e.g. mistaking peanut allergies for some other seed allergies) is coming.
Shit in shit out. Just like so many people, really.
I call the AI summaries that Google now puts at the top of every search: Wrong Answers First.
There are Nazis in the WH. It has nothing 2 do with gluten but it’s important so this is just a reminder that Google, like the rest of silicone valley doesn’t see the Nazis as a “deal breaker”. The tech BROS are busy prostrating themselves before “dear leader Trump” & hoping he doesn’t spank them.
Laws of gravity and all that…
Jfc
Call it "Alphabet Slop". But it made CEO Sundar Pichai a billionaire so the degradation will continue guaranteed. bsky.app/profile/carl...
…is not gluten free because it contains milk…wild time to be alive
bsky.app/profile/peng...
Sooo...no...and, yes?
Seems more likely that in 25 years milk will be “known” to contain gluten because it’s a common allergen.
Even worse perhaps, that's not the result Google gives me. My result was effectively, "It's a cake mix, of course it's not gluten free"
This it so important. The stochasticy required by LLMs via the temperature parameter is antithetical to information retrieval.
And if that doesn't work, you can poke it down with a stick.
They have too much cash to die. But still 😬
there oughta be a law against that but i guess that died in 2008
seekingalpha.com/article/4816...
www.lunio.ai/blog/google-... Generative search is changing where and how ads appear, depressing CTR for many queries and pushing more value into Shopping and carefully crafted bottom-funnel tactics Other reads: www.vxtx.co.uk/blog/sge-vs-... www.datafeedwatch.com/blog/search-...
Had a bloke very confidently tell me the searches will get better. I suspect theyll break entirely first.
Then, Google says this. Self-contradictory. And one is so clearly wrong. Maybe health information should be excluded from this machination.
"Made from the mammary glands of cows" is . . . a weird way to put it.
The non AI version is correct turn off the A I it is as trustworthy as a four year old Mom: Did you eat a cookie? Kid: No Mom: why is there chocolate all over your face, hands and shirt? Kid: Magic.
Aaaaa
There's a lotta garbage out there.
I explain the internet by saying it's like dumping all science journals, newspapers, magazines, books, & the content of HS lockers in a pile and training rats to go pull stuff from it.
MILK IS NOT AN ALLERGEN
They've literally destroyed their search from having any real utility. Like I don't even know what the point of google is anymore. and their ai is wrong so often, you have to triple check the results.
Amen!!!
This allergen information is wrong in less harmful way; what’s worse is the inverse. My kids have anaphylactic reactions to eggs. The Google AI results for Halloween candy last year were blatantly wrong a number of times, and I hope parents in similar situations don’t trust those results.
I also like how now just about every image search brings up nothing but 'stock images' that are mostly covered with watermarks, obscuring much of the important detail of the image.
Just downloaded the Miriam-Webster app so I don’t have to “google” definitions. Need to find my hardcover
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The "fall of Google" comments are amusing, but Google search is so far ahead of the other mass-used search tools that Google can afford years of mistakes before anyone catches up... and everyone else is doing this shit anyway
bsky.app/profile/drsa...
IMO, main problem with LLM in search is it has to be fast and cheap enough to cram in with the results. I think google’s crawler monopoly will be deepened from LLMs. The main thing that can get in their way is LLM information retrieval has immense friction with their money-printing ad monopoly
I think cjr does the best work on this. For elimination (of ads, irrelevant passage) there’s some decent performance. For synthesis, you still have to read it like the writings of someone on LSD. www.cjr.org/analysis/i-t...
I remember that before Google the big deal in search was Metacrawler. Then Google showed up and it was like night and day, and this was back when they indexed every fucking thing.
Garbage in the form of a question, returns garbage. AI can be and is, a very valuable tool, that is when used intelligently. If you want usable results, you ask the question several times, each time rephrasing the question.
I’m going to assume this is very dry humor.
Yes and no. It is up to the user to learn how to use a hammer! Many never learn and bend the nail all their lives.
Well, in this case, the tool worked great for 20 years first try. Now you want me to ask the same query repeatedly in different ways? And consider it user error or not to?
No, it is not user error. It is not a reflection upon you, the issue is to retrieve helpful information, information from which you can either reject, or use to further an idea, or project, a concept etc. Seriously, I am challenged academically, using AI for me has been an aid to learning.
Sure, but that was the case with a standard Google search before their algorithm got messed up. How is AI better than that?
Hmm, you have a good point. Before I would receive returns that were sites to click on in an attempt to gather additional information. Now, at least for me, the return is a clearer guide to further exploration. I am reading The History of England, on my Kindle. When I want to explore an event 1/3
I go to Google, Gemini, ask about the subject, I often do not have a grasp of the terminology. Yet, when looking at the return, hints of correct terminology offer a method of making a better phrased statement. Another issue I personally have, I cannot spell. 2/3
AI often corrects the spelling, then I can go forward gathering further information. Of course AI is not for everyone, an academic finds information much more easily than I, just using a dictionary. I failed academically, dyslexia, so AI has been a help in coping with learning issues. 3/3
Also, I’m genuinely glad it’s giving you tools that help you learn easier. It seems like you have a good grasp on how to use AI as a tool to advance your education :)
That makes sense. I think this shows some of the inherent value in LLM’s — our current iteration leaves a lot to be desired but i can definitely see how this kind of model streamlines the learning process. I really appreciate you sharing.
Except that in this case they made their hammer into a broken wrench but still tell us its a hammer and to use it accordingly
Been using Google since 98. I can still find shit because of that, but it is objectively harder to find good info. It has been getting bad since they added ads to search and AI just made so much worse. No commercial LLM/"AI" is truly useful.
Yep
PREACH
People here suggested adding -ai to searches on Google to remove AI. Nice.
What a mess
Those that still exist and aren't taught and studented by GenAI (because businessbros do love getting trapped in hype).
In all fairness, they'd been wrecking search for a while before this, too... @edzitron.com wrote a fantastic piece about it (then +1d by Cory Doctorow). www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-...
And no one else's search is especially great either. Sucks :(
in 25 years time every business school will be repeating the mantras of 'AI', since having destroyed the US science base there will be no evidence based argument...
Bold of you to assume business schools will still exist when every college is crashing out right now. The only ones left will be junior and community colleges and some private liberal arts colleges too small and niche to catch the eye of Sauron.
They will be teaching the Fart of the Deal 😂
The only way I have ever known someone had an MBA is because they told me. It’s a stupid tax that we are all paying for.
As a celiac haver I cannot tell you how many people post shit on r/Celiac like, "The package says certified gluten-free but ChatGPT/AI Overview says it has gluten. Would you trust it?" Makes me insane.
Would I... trust the legal regulation that still currently is being enforced and has actual consequences for companies who break it vs the lying plagarism machine? WTF?
That whole ”currently is being enforced” seems like increasingly important detail to keep track of in the fascist states of america.
Yes definitely. I work in food regulation and everyone is freaked out about the constant changes.
It's incredible to me how fast the random chatbot has taken over people's brains. If this was people who had been raised with it from childhood I'd understand, but it's barely been what, 3 years? 5 max? Yet people have already given up what little critical thinking they had in favor of magic 8-ball.
Absolutely, it’s like thinking has become a luxury of the privileged. And the side effects won’t stop at dumb search results, it’s been seeping into every aspect of our lives. Not to mention politics…
My brain hurts reading that shit
Calm down, Carl. That there is PhD-level intelligence.
I switched to paying for @kagi.com It feels like it's from an alternate reality where Google just kept focusing on making search awesome. It still has some of these AI features but they're opt-in and private.
Trillions are being bet on this drivel machine
Funkin!
I'm not a lawyer but I understand Google isn't liable for what's published the web if they're just indexing it, BUT if they are proactively sampling a specific portion and serving that up as "the answer" as a Google service, does that introduce liability to them if someone gets hurt from that?
Idk, let's see if someone brings a case.
I'm not a lawyer just a curse maker, so may someone get mild diarrhea and successfully win 2 billion dollars from google for pain and suffering from an LLM search
My guess is whichever country takes the lowest bribes will set the legal precedent to "nope" so everyone else can charge in like corporate personhood in the 1980s.
Such a waste of resources and we can't even turn it off.
You can in fact turn it off using the 'udm=14' workaround: venturebeat.com/ai/how-to-us...
I've turned it off by not using Google. DuckDuckGo works a charm, and doesn't force AI on you.
if you take the extra step and add to each search -ai it does turn that function off. but who hits 3 extra keys if they want fast results
You can use google search without any AI via Konami (bonus, it's also faster). I have it bookmarked as my search page. udm14.com
Same! Although I mostly use Duck Duck Go now.
ublock origin is the way to go if you don't wanna type every time. When I'm on desktop (and I'm mostly on desktop), I forget this shit exists old.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrig...
Are you using Chrome or something else? I thought ublock got kicked off in the latest Chrome manifest.
I am on Vivaldi, which is Chrome based but it didn't MV3 remove extensions yet. It's not 100% clear when that happens. I would hate to move, because it's my fave - but I also use a lot of extensions so it would be hard not to.
That one is new to me. Thank you, I'll check it out!
It's the best browser for advanced users :) it has a lot of cool features, including their own mail client, calendar and RSS reader :) all three used by me all the time!
Thank you! I always scroll past the idiotic AI overview, annoyed at the extra power used.
And water and pollution created!
I got you homies: udm14.com
Or use Duck Duck Go?
Use Kagi
DDG gives AI results too - there is an option to disable it though.
I was so disappointed to see that DuckDuckGo also added AI to their search. Then I was very happy to discover I could actually turn that one off.
Can't escape it, bing, everyone seems to be putting it in for some reason with terrible accuracy. I've already trained myself to ignore the first few results of any search though.
It's a big shame it was added in the first place. No need for it
Oooh, I just deleted DDG today because I was tired of it. Good to know I could have turned it off. I use a Google Fi phone....haven't done the latest download that is going to foist Gemini on me.....I'm already tired of AI in everything
I switched to Ecosia for a while but then they brought in AI summaries and I couldn't figure out how to switch that shit off 🤦🏻 so now I'm on DDG and praying they don't make it unavoidable.
Www.tenbluelinks.com
Quite right. Thanks for pointing out that with DDG you can indeed turn off the ai. I should have mentioned that
Brave search engine has no AI
I thought that did have AI? Can it be turned off?
Oh, my mistake, I mixed up between Brave and DDG, it’s DuckduckGo that is AI free or optional.
Google is a computer program… why can't the computer program just add the -ai for me…
It can if you make that your default search seeing. go to udm14.com or tenbluelinks.com
I'm using tenbluelinks but then I try to recommend to someone *else* how to use tenbluelinks and they're like "I'm on an iPhone it doesn't work"
I'm not on an iPhone but I've sent these links to many iPhone users and they were absolutely able to make it work. Failing that they can look for their default search engine settings in their browser or whatever.
I use a VPN on desktop and phone and that automatically adds the udm=14 into every browser windows i open
I googled a ringworm question and got "No, ringworm does not cause ear curling in cats. The more common cause is a small circular fungus infection known as ringworm."
I bypassed it via this article www.androidauthority.com/how-to-turn-...
Google let me know the two most common deer species in North Carolina are the White-Tailed Deer and the American Black Bear
But you were trying to trick my girlfriend,
This evening I was trying to find information on crickets (you know, the insect) and I couldn't get Google to stop giving me information about the favorite sport of India.
😵💫
I pray there are no business schools in 25 years
Looks like Grok.
When you’re your only peer, “so scared of what your enemies will do to you, you’re the only enemy you ever seem to lose to” immediately kicks in
And we will be back to every family having an encyclopedia brittanica set.
Wikipedia is still reliable if they can keep the founder from adding AI
instead of improving and refining their product they’ve been intentionally making it worse for years, chasing the fast easy money is how your business withers
Oats do not contain gluten.
Many oats are not celiac safe though because of shared processing equipment. Not saying this is correct text, but I do understand what contributed to this statement.
But it’s still wrong.
True, and why AI shouldn't be used for...anything important frankly
oats aren’t safe for people with celiac unless they are stored in a certain way because they are so often contaminated with wheat flour, in practice they contain gluten
The AI was incorrect, however.
Oats do not contain gluten, yet often the oats are cross contaminated by wheat, either from neighboring fields or in the harvesting and processing. Therefore, unless certified gluten-free , oat product are not. (Source: my dietician. I’m coeliac)
That could be said for any ingredient, depending on the processing method and packaging.
Yeah, that’s living with celiac for you. Any processed food poses a risk, really. Yet in the case of oats it’s known to be commonplace, where other foods can be easier to control. Though I’m lucky, living in the EU with quite transparent labeling and processing.
*during harvesting or processing I should say. Slip during translation
True. But gluten is not peanut- although I’m not knowledgeable about celiac, my understanding is that trace quantities of it won’t cause problems the way trace amounts of allergens might cause a reaction. Or not 🤷
Trace amounts do make people with Celiac sick. Also, oats have a related protein that is not gluten, but is close enough to sicken about 1 in 8 people with Celiac.
Not correct. Any molecule of gluten can cause problems. Trace amounts, like a crumb, have sent me to the Emergency Room. There's also people who have violent vomiting episodes from things like a cross-contaminated spatula. Any amount is not safe. Small intestine damage sux!
This is how much it takes to cause a reaction: literally a crumb upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...
By the way it's not that I want to pile on, I can see you've got great responses from a few people already. I like this image because it helps a lot of people understand how little it takes to make us sick, and why we have to be such sticklers about food prep and ingredient lists
We have a friend who found out he had it late in life. When he started removing stuff from his diet, he used to joke that he could now tell from one whiff of a gluten containing item (so much stealth gluten) Translation, he could tell because it made him sick He has been clear for some years now
i used to be able to get away with a little soy sauce, a little single bite of baklava or whatever. But the older I get, the worse it gets, to where I have separate sieves and whisks and all that. Oh I hate it, I miss real food terribly 💔
There’s a ton of good food to be had without, yet when I got in a bad place it was my comfort. Ate and benefited from being practically asymptomatic until it was time for blood works and my Iga antibodies hit at 43,5. “Keep at it and get sick bad again”
It is such a nightmare adjusting to stuff like that I had a period of being unable to cope with cow's milk, and I adore cheese It calmed down when I was pregnant. Ironically, I had endless issues because my digestion slowed down so much, but apparently that was what was needed to digest cheese
When I started my dx I went gluten free “too soon”, still had to get a biopsy of the duodenum. So went back hard with a serving of KFC. Asymptomatic as I was for thirty years, I was sick….
Yeah, that sounds like what happened to him. His system said, oh great no gluten, I could get used to this, and then threw a massive strop whenever he accidentally had any gluten
Ok, so it sounds like trace amounts really do cause problems if you have celiac. Good to learn.
“Safe trace quantity” is less then 20 ppm for certified gluten-free products. Trace quantities may or may not cause immediate noticeable reaction with celiacs, depending on sensitivity, but any amount will cause an immune reaction.
People with celiac need their own toasters so their baked goods don't make them sick. It's an extreme sensitivity.
Yep! I do at my house and won't use public toasters.
Nitpick: it’s an auto-immune reaction that depending on the individual may or may not lead to immediate symptoms with the slightest bit. But yes, breadcrumbs in a toaster will cross contaminated. 20 PPM is the maximum allowed in European certified gluten free products. 2/100 of a %
And intestinal damage can still occur even if symptoms aren’t present (asymptomatic celiac), which means those folks don’t even know the damage they’re doing to their guts. It’s v serious.
This was me until my body tipped into very, very sensitive. I wish I knew more and was on a celiac diet as soon as I was diagnosed intolerant. (Gluten is in freaking everything!) It sux when it's this volatile.
Yeah, that’s me. Took me about 30 years to wreck my gut practically unnoticed. Just a few visits to ER for “suspected appendicitis”, into some cases of severe obstruction. (shitty story) Only then did they do the bloodworks & colonoscopy. Did a year of bad eating: 43,5 IgA with some bloating..
Do you mean endoscopy? I had a colonoscopy, and they didn't detect the damage. Then I had an endoscopy, and damage was severe! I was considered malnutrioned via my bloodwork. Ataxia, neuropathy, and months of vestibular migraines etc etc aren't worth gluten intake.
Ugh I’m so sorry. I don’t have celiac but know lots of folks who do and I myself am gluten-free to manage IBD. While cross-contamination won’t hurt me, I empathize with how cautious celiacs have to be. People have no clue! Took me years to also get a diagnosis. So frustrating!
Naturally, they don’t, but they need to be grown in a dedicated field to be truly gf. Some are planted on fields next to wheat fields. When harvested some wheat is harvested with it.
I’m proud that I have no idea what “milk” is being referred to here, despite being surrounded by Dunkin establishments. I don’t eat fast/junk food or drink coffee so I just never go into or drive through a Dunkin. Cereal milk? Do they serve cereal?!?
It's still not great. It would be more helpful to look at Dunkin's website to see whether the product is certified GF. Not certified = not safe for celiacs.
As the buyer for a grocery store, I look for photos of labels on grocery store websites for allergen information. Apparently, AI just guesses.
LLMs are fundamentally random. You can ask it the same thing and get different answers. So they probably didn't "fix" anything.
Oats can be gluten free. The AI is just wrong. Gluten Free oats are oats that are not grown in a field that previously grew wheat because of cross contamination.
their cereal milk is not made with oat milk! it's made with regular old cow's milk!! (plus corn flakes to make it taste like cereal). dunkin posts all their ingredient info online for anyone who cares: www.dunkindonuts.com/content/dam/...
Was looking for something like this cuz I do not eat at Dunkin (never mind know where one nearby even is) nor see anything they make other than those coffee machine pod things xD. I didn't know what cereal milk was even supposed to mean
I hate that it takes up space and therefore time when I'm scrolling, because it's on the top. And I really, really hate that our data is being scraped to turn out absolute nonsense.
Before AI, Google searches never ever occasionally returned crap.
Joke's on you, they don't teach shit in business school - that's why we're in this mess in the first place. Buncha MBAs addicted to buzzwords and get-rich-quick bullshit.
Alta Vista
As someone with celiac disease, this is ridiculous and their AI is stupid.
Some of those businesses schools themselves might be defunct.
Google, getting less accurate every year, somehow... on the same shit it got right before.
Ed Zitron’s “The Man Who Killed Google Search” is an excellent analysis of this degradation. I recall being disturbed when, more than a decade ago, users were encouraged to ask direct questions rather than searching for keywords. Trained in keyword searches, I found it childish to “ask Google.”
Along with Siri and the other “assistants,” online users were conditioned to ask rather than to search strategically, which I did not understand (I wanted specific documents, not a mealy generic answer). Now I get it— that shift primed people to abandon the act of searching and just ask AI.
Until then, I would suggest to add space-ai behind every question. This stops the stupid answers....
The Google CEO is not as good as he thinks he is.
After accruing 25 years of goodwill, Google deliberately lit it all on fire.
I haven’t seen Gemini’s AI overview be correct about a single thing once. From the simple to the complex, it has been wrong 100% of the time.
The comments below this post of yours take it to another level Prof. Bergstrom and make trusting humans, at least some of them, a thing of the future, again.
I think the answer perfectly displays the design and functioning of the used algorithms. Very interesting to see the flaws.
The Bart Simpson "I'm going to make the lump even bigger" school of innovation.
In the post-mortem, they'll reveal that they've been torpedoing their own search accuracy to maximize engagement for twenty years.
They spent billions of dollars torching their brand
Our only defense from the madness is to exclude AI results from Google search. Add this string to your browser's custom search config. www.google.com/search?q=%s&... There is a lot of detail on this method online already, and it works very well for me in Chrome. I never see AI results.
udm=14 also removes ads from search results. Or you can select the "web" tab of the search page to get the same result.
bsky.app/profile/heat... This was from this morning:
Those are inspired!
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It’s art!
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I feel reassured knowing they call these errors “hallucinations”
Remember when their slogan was “don’t be evil”
If you can, you should look into getting a colonoscopy.
doc says good for a few years yet
scheduled for sept 15
I got the "at home" kit, which I'm not looking forward to unboxing.
I’m not that lucky but I have had norovirus in the past 2 years & at least the horror only comes from one direction with the prep
It’s not that bad. Friendly advice. Make sure you remove the mailing label to reveal the one beneath before you return it. I may or may not have forgotten and mailed it back to myself.
This doesn’t get talked about enough. The company made the choice to say “Don’t be evil” and then someone was able to say “Maybe we should walk that back.” Those are the people who need to be watched, and never given power.
This gets talked about constantly
Universities support students using AI, if you think they’re going to be capable of analysis in 25 year I’ve got bad news for you
It’s going to be back to hardback encyclopaedias
The fundamental problem with an algorithm that gathers all information is that the world is full of idiots and the machine gathering their stupid ideas as well.
Garbage In, Garbage Out is one of the core principles of computing. It wasn't *quite* coined by Charles Babbage, but he is on record telling an interested businessman that the engine can't correct for bad inputs.
it's even more embarrassing than that! i usually see the quote given with the added context that it was two MPs - the British equivalent of CONGRESSMEN! - who asked him "if you put the wrong figures in, will the right figures come out?" literally have these same kinds of people in office today!
On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question ~ Withering.
Duck Duck Go! Fuck Google!
Just WOW! Who'd a thunk it?
"They achieved market dominance and asked the question 'Yea but what if we fucked that up on purpose?'. Ah yes Billy, you have a question!" "Were they complete dumbasses?" "Very good Billy. Using the vernacular of the time appropriately. Yes. Yes they were."
I asked Google how to get rid of the AI synopsis, it seemed like you could hide it, but not eliminate it. So now every google search kills that much more of the planet and uses so much more resources.
Anyone else have Giving Up the Gun stuck in their head?
The crazy thing is an LLM as a natural language front end for a really good search engine seems like it would be an absolutely killer application for an LLM. Imagine being able to find all the stuff you don't know enough about to formulate a good search query but can describe in general terms.
I'll bet it will happen sooner than that!
I’m afraid some people don’t even notice. Had to tell friends who are smart people that the AI gives wrong information. Not occasionally but most of the time.
There's r/aigirlfriend sub on Reddit
Also - Musk constantly posts waifu porn and I'm surprised press didn't pick up on that
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First time I'm reading that, kinda not surprised considering he's pushing AI sexbots now
That whole family is something else. How Elon's dad marrying his sister is not a bigger story is beyond my understanding lol
But then again - his dad absolutely loves talk breeding and so does Elon
It's been a long time since i stopped using google and switched to duckduckgo
Kleenex, Xerox, Kodak, google.
Schrödinger's Cereal Milk
It uses the Oxford comma, so I'm happy with its accuracy.
And then would ask "why did people still use it anyway"?
Save us from death, thank you from the bottom of my heart gofund.me/6572da4d
We went from "Hold on, let me Google it." to "Better not ask Google, you'll just get some bullshit instead of an actual answer." a lot sooner than I thought we would.
Google has never made it easier to quit using their search.
I sigh daily as Google is no longer anywhere near as good as it used to be - I often can’t even find stuff I know I used to be able to search for (and is still there) … anyone got suggestions for good alternatives?
Duck duck go (no really)
This is what our future students will be saying if we keep banning books, history, and science. They'll be as dumb as this AI response.
Are you kidding? Google will be the leading defense contractor for autonomous weaponry constantly inventing new bombs to strap to dogs and their stock price will be astronomical. They'll also have bricked my phone remotely for having posted this 25 years ago.
Yeah. That’s more likely, isn’t it?
I have no faith sanity will be restored and the comically evil corporations will ever get their comeuppance.
I mean. . . I might be part of an underground militia group trying to hack/destroy mecha Bezos in 25 years probably in a Michael Caine role as weird old man who is based af (life goal)
To plagiarise and misquote Young Einstein. "If you can't trust Google, who can you trust" Yahoo Serious
The crazy part is that AI is using these results to build fake websites that show up at the top of the search results that are then used by AI to generate wrong answers that are then used to build fake websites that…
I knew it bsky.app/profile/numb...
I mean anyone with a brain could see that's the way they'd go with it.🤣
Watch your mouth, pal
It makes research so fucking difficult
also those other “milks” are likely not GF at a DONUT SHOP not that oat milk is really GF to begin with
My sentiments exactly. Dunkin' donuts is probably built out of gluten. It seeps through their walls.
It depends on the oat milk. Some are, some aren’t.
no it doesn’t. it depends on each individual package. some seemingly identical packages are, some aren’t. even purity protocol oats have been proven to have gluten in them.
Oatly is certified gluten free. No issues with it in my experience
that’s good for you, but certification doesn’t actually mean it’s gluten-free. it doesn’t even mean any individual package is below 10ppm. many certified products get recalled and still others go unnoticed.
Not trying to offend, just confused. GFCO limit is less than 10 ppm. I know people diagnosed celiac that are hyper sensitive and they can drink Oatly. Are you saying that all of it has gluten and some people will react to having any of it? It seems like GFCo works for most people who are celiac
i explained it all here if you think GFCO means they test every package, or even every batch, you are mistaken.
Really? I was always told that oats contain something chemically similar to gluten, which some celiacs could tolerate and others could not. I'm gluten free due to damage due to Crohn's, and can tolerate oats just fine, although oat milk itself gave me a rash.
yes, avenin. but also oats are heavily contaminated by wheat during farming and processing. search for gluten free watchdog oats
You are so correct. Celiac here.
All I know, is the ones labeled gluten free are safe do my daughter to drink, and the ones that aren’t labeled are not. 🤷♂️
All I know, having done some rabbit-hole reading after Amy's last thread about it, is that it's not as simple as reading the labels, and that she knows a LOT about it.
it’s true some people have a high enough tolerance they can take cross-contamination thru out the day and suffer nothing from it some people get sick from extremely minute exposure others get silent intestinal damage from constant low-grade exposure
👍 Risk of refractory cd, too.
yeah i think a lot of “refractory” celiac isn’t really refractory but highly sensitive to cross-contamination
I went from a high tolerance to extremely sick from any exposure. It was probably from silent damage from constant low-grade exposure until my body had enough & sent me into a two month attack that caused severe neuropathy. Wish I was more educated many years ago. Thought I was just intolerant.
This actually explains a lot for me. I already knew there were some brands I have to absolutely avoid.
As a fellow celiac person, the govt agencies that made sure that our food was safe from 'allergens' have been severely gutted. I had a reaction from a can of chili that had Gluten Free on the label. I'm now only using "certified gluten-free" on the labels or just making things from scratch.
Google spokesman-“We spent all this MFing money on AI so by god we are going to use it.”
Never imagined reading things would give me a stroke, but here we are.
It’s ChatGPT that is driving Google search down. Specific interactive answers rather than a list of possibly relevant articles. ChatGPT also eliminates algorithms. It might provide an antidote to brainwashing.
Although I never asked AI anything, AI confidently jumped into an unrelated Google search to tell me that there are THREE people in the group PENTAtonix. AI doesn't even know enough to not volunteer to reveal to the world that it's incapable of counting to five.
it can count to five just not if you’re not white or male, ask them about Backstreet Boys then ask them about Black Eyed Peas.
Not meant as a defense for AI as it truly sucks but Ben Folds Five were only three guys. Sometimes a name is just a name.
AI would probably tell you all about the five made up members of BFF though 😄
I don't know why we needed to simulate that guy who interrupts your conversation to be wrong about things. If we wanted that we'd just invite Gary to coffee or something.
Good grief! Google AI gets worse by the day. I fear we will be living in a real-life version of Idiocracy even sooner than I thought.
haha i was just seeking the source of a quote i have now plugged in twice and Google AI has confidently given me two diff sources
(not that this is a defense of google ai but celiac disease does generally make you lactose intolerant but the problem obviously is not gluten!)
I wonder when brands will start suing Google because their AI search defames or, much worse, gives guidance on using a product that results in injury or death.
Blah, blah, blah, wrong information, blah, blah, blah, lies, blah, blah, blah. 😡😡🤮🤮
I can hear Ed Zitron chanting the name of Prabhakar Raghavan over and over again www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-...
Jokes kinda on them. They kept us longer on the search to make more money and then many of us left. I deactivated chrome and Google on my pixel 🙄I miss the days when search brought what I was looking for. Duck duck go is 1/50th as good as Google used to be but better than it is now
so let me get this straight. Prabhakar Raghavan gets hired at IBM, rises to a company-wide leadership position in 16 years, and gets fired for undisclosed reasons following IBM's fall as the leading tech giant. Man gets hired at Yahoo, rises to CSO, and Yahoo suddenly loses ALL of its profitability
before firing him for undisclosed reasons. Man then gets hired at Google, and becomes Chief Technologist in 2024. Also a little before 2024, Google search mysteriously turns into complete shit. Am I missing something here?
That isn't even beta worthy.
these google overviews are completely useless, full of nonsense, and reading half a dozen should be sufficient to educate everyone on the usability of ai.
AI is just rubbish isn't it? What a waste of money.
They haven't been good for a few years, the whole first page was sites with scraped articles not original sources
In the EU "milk" is not an acceptable term for nut/cereal products. The only exception is coconut milk.
this is why I'm now using murena.qwant.com
I'm comfused. I looked it up but murena uses qwant search engine which uses AI 😩 I tried searching a few topics in qwant and it seemed ok, then I tried searching "Palestine" and it showed me an ads for Booking in Palestine at the top 😶😩 no such problem in murena tho.
Not sure what to do now, because I don't want AI in *any capacity* but there's no escape 😭
some other options
This is the way
People already write actual scientific papers with AI. We're heading into second dark ages.
I like the name white ages. Partly due to the whole Alt Right shit going on, and partly due to the issue not being information being destroyed, but a flood of information that drowns everything out. Future historians will have the opposite problem - Too much info with most being junk/bullshit
Welp looks like I’ve been treating my celiac’s wrong this whole time 👀🥛
Wow, crazy! That sounds like soon, you should expect some first serious victims sueing google/chatg/.... on serious health damage?
Dunkin? What version intelligence is this, A.I. Pacino?
Cept wait... I work in the food industry and if anything on the wheel is an allergen, it must be handled as an allergen. According to food safety standards, Google is right this time guys. So sorry, I don't mean to piss people off. Promise.
but the search term isn't asking if it's an allergen, it's asking if it's gluten free. a search result saying it's not gluten free because it contains milk is confusing and counter-productive because people who need to eat gluten free diets probably know milk doesn't contain gluten. google is wrong.
breaks my heart, tbh
and, if were lucky, case studies on trump 📓
Yep, eg I recently made the move from Google (to DuckDuckGo, not that it matters much what to) recently. My reasons are completely non-political, it's just that the product has deteriorated.
But not before it destroyed every online medium of the USA.
As far as I can tell, this is solely a coffee-based drink? I'm glad it says not to give it to dogs, but it misses the most important thing.
“The populace had overwhelmingly taken the company name and used it as a verb for to search for something, so complete was their dominance. Company execs had different plans, however.”
the verb will outlive the company
It’s like if Kleenex suddenly made their tissues out of mesh.
I want to Xerox your comment
This makes me so nostalgic I need to reach for some Kleenex
I want to Xerox that Kleenex
The one made by Steve Jobs?
Who's Steve Jobs?
I think he ran that alternative medicine science site called Goop
No, I’m pretty sure that’s David Miscavige
It’s pronounced “miscarriage”
Miss Cabbage
The winner of this years vegetable beauty pageant
Wasn't that the prime minister of the United Kingdom?
I love how much this all de-railed.
Ligma balls
The guy that died of ligma
Correct answer
Ignorance IS bliss
It is. It's also ligma
isn't everything?
youtu.be/kS5kbq7g7ZM?...
Google kept their LLMs behind lock and key for a reason. The reason wasn't only profits.
Perhaps I'm incorrect, but it seems to be more than the frustrating 'search' results, and that Google adds any search to your profile and 'related' promos then turn up in Gmail. Duck Duck Go is better, for now.
Hopefully they’re also appalled by whatever the fuck “Dunkin Cereal Milk” is.
After canceling the NYT subscription google was next! Google simply had become unusable as a reliable research source not to speak about the basics of professional knowledge
I mean -- insane nonsense
Jesus
You’re so optimistic. I can’t imagine we’ll be around in 25 years
I get the positive implications of AI but I also love that NVIDIA has a $4.3+ trillion valuation and its main product is this.
Try Kagi. You pay (a small amount) for it with money, not with your data or your soul.
Claude AI today told me that the invitation email failed to send which is why when the recipient clicked on the button in the email the token didn't get saved to the database. You can't make this shit up.
I once asked ChatGPT to give me an itinerary for Morocco that also highlighted gluten-free friendly places to eat at. It recommended I try local cuisine like couscous 🙄
Dear tech companies. How many times do we need to scream at you that your LLLms are absolute garbage and that we don't want them?
Let's not get carried away, they do provide some entertainment like we see here. *LLM's should only be used for entertainment purposes at this time.
I'm just glad when it tells me something is gluten free when it isn't cause normally it'll just tell you items are definitely 100% gluten free according to imaginary GF orgs that it hallucinated.
The AI has created a surprise new revenue stream in my business. $300 an hour consults on gardens when people use AI and fuck shit up, then hire me to tell them how to fix it
I have had food allergies and I know what nonsense this is. I worry about the people who don't.
Alternative hypothesis: in 25 years we'll be suffering waves of mass disease and starvation and the Internet will still exist but most people won't have access to it. youtu.be/S8s-Xx7aJsg
I reject that hypothesis and insert my own unicorns and rainbows, skipping through fields of daisy's hypothesis 😁
I love how they put those little circles and a plus one there, like there's other people supporting this bs
I was researching something for a trip and AI answered with a fact that I knew not to be true. So I rephrased my question and it left that out. You can't just trust what it says. I use it more for idea information than truth if that makes any sense.
Has so long to go
Yikes
Omg. As someone who has both those allergies, this is absurd. It's also reckless. Think about how many people research home remedies, cleaners, etc, and the terrible harm that this could cause
Celiac is not an allergy
No, it isn't. But have you had issues with the world not respecting how horrible it is? "It's just a fad" crap? For some reason, the uneducated masses seem to actually care if you call it a "really bad allergy."
Ok. What's your point?
It's very important to know this especially if someone has food allergies because they may try to use an EpiPen
Thank you. I didn't know that. Just recently found out I have genes from both my parents. I've always just said I'm allergic to it
That’s because LLMs will generate a different, often contradictory, answer every time you ask them the same question, as they don’t actually know anything except what an answer should look like.
Granted, but I tried this 3 times and got the same answer each time.
If it’s word for word identical then Google is either caching the response locally for you, or caching it more broadly for all users for a certain period. They do this with regular search results as well, to save on having to process fresh results every time.
However as far as I can see from testing it myself, it generates a different LLM result every time, so I guess it’s just spinning a roulette wheel to see if you get a remotely accurate answer or not each time you search.
That's the ultimate question, isn't it? What are the chances of a correct answer? I've gotten plenty of correct ones -- more than half, I'd say. But also some whoppers. It once told me TREE(2) would be an immense number.
Not word-for-word. Just the same gist.
Unable to replicate this. Please show the whole prompt.
Is Dunkin cereal milk gluten free. — No shit you can’t replicate it exactly. This is one of the reasons that large language models are antithetical to information retrieval. The temperature parameter required means that every output is stochastic.
Be that as it may, showing the whole prompt would ensure that there wasn’t additional text at the end which confused it.
Because it has to be user error and not just that these thongs are laughably bad right?
The source of the error may be that some reliable sources say there is a theoretical risk that milk could contain traces of gluten. I tried like 20 times and I can’t get it to say what the OP showed so it must be a low probability answer.
Oh stop defending the idiot plagarism machine
An odd assortment of letters from the alphabet became a dominant force before reverting back to random letters.
AI is trash
I remember when I asked it if a sauce contained dairy and it said that it contained egg whites "which are a dairy product". When I asked it if egg whites were dairy, it said no.