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Limber Pine @kotiak.bsky.social

Every day there are videos of Hispanic men having their lives ripped away from them by the government. The draft ripped lives away from working class whites who are still living. While it’s not going to happen it makes sense that “govt overreach could come for YOU, too” would win hearts and minds.

jun 23, 2025, 11:16 am • 1 0

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Ragathiel @ragathiel.bsky.social

And yet somehow that overreach fear gets attached to Dems, not the Republican President whose policy undergirds the kidnappings. There’s no angle for what you’re arguing that isn’t irrational

jun 23, 2025, 12:53 pm • 3 0 • view
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Limber Pine @kotiak.bsky.social

I agree it is irrational. But if everyone voted rationally we would have a different government. I am really just agreeing with Kat that this is an opportunity and America is much more anti-war than our leadership. So many Dem party failings are about communication, not policy.

jun 23, 2025, 1:30 pm • 0 0 • view
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Kenny Rogers Poasters @wvslasthandloader.bsky.social

I don’t think anybody is saying this is on the Democrats, but they should seize the moment by clearly opposing this war

jun 23, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
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Ragathiel @ragathiel.bsky.social

I don't really want to argue with you, we're on the same side, but the core of the "young men fear the draft" nonsense was & is absolutely tied to Dems. This kind of meme was being spread around ahead of the election

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jun 23, 2025, 1:43 pm • 3 0 • view
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Limber Pine @kotiak.bsky.social

So why does the message from so many leadership Dems seem to be, “this was wrong procedurally but we probably would have gone along if it had the right intel and process”? When Dems have a chance to change the narrative they seem to miss the moment. I appreciate your points, though.

jun 23, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
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whoops, excuse me. oh man, my bad. @whoopsexcuseme.bsky.social

yeah, i feel like im losing my mind following the 'draft' discourse cuz people are conflating 'RWers fear mongering gen z men that *a Black woman* might send them to war so vote Trump ahead of the 2024 election' and 'people now fearing a draft because we elected Trump and he might actually do it"

jun 23, 2025, 1:47 pm • 2 0 • view
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Limber Pine @kotiak.bsky.social

Isn’t this just like, “we didn’t think he meant the immigrants WE know”, though?

jun 23, 2025, 1:54 pm • 0 0 • view
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whoops, excuse me. oh man, my bad. @whoopsexcuseme.bsky.social

eh kinda, but they are two separate groups talking. the RWers agitating against the idea harris sending them to war wasn't the "going to war" part, it was the "harris sending them" so they most don't give a shit about trump starting a war and sending them.

jun 23, 2025, 1:59 pm • 3 0 • view
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whoops, excuse me. oh man, my bad. @whoopsexcuseme.bsky.social

people worrying about a draft now are not the same cohort and maybe didn't know about the right's draft fever dream cuz obv Harris would not do a draft for a war in the middle east, but Trump might actually. But those people are getting mad at how dismissive people are because of the first group.

jun 23, 2025, 1:59 pm • 3 0 • view
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Limber Pine @kotiak.bsky.social

Thanks! I see where you are coming from now.

jun 23, 2025, 2:05 pm • 0 0 • view