Tesla "full self-driving" is fraud in the same sense that Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes committed fraud.
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aug 25, 2025, 9:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes, but against more people and with more deaths.
aug 26, 2025, 12:12 am • 1 0 • view
I’m always amazed when they call it that and it isn’t that.
aug 26, 2025, 3:42 am • 0 0 • view
I think that’s why he smashed the regulatory agencies that would have slowed down or stopped its release.
aug 25, 2025, 10:39 pm • 4 1 • view
They can't get humans to drive them any more...why would it want to drive itself?
aug 26, 2025, 12:03 am • 1 0 • view
Perpetually a year or two away and also we need TRAINS and SUBWAYS not self driving cars
aug 25, 2025, 10:35 pm • 11 0 • view
Agreed.
aug 25, 2025, 10:36 pm • 3 0 • view
This is not only bullshit, it is obvious bullshit, cause it is clear that there are a lot of self driving cars and trucks out their, so it is quite possible that tesla will get its act together and produce a self driving car roughly equivalent to waymo or whatever geez
aug 25, 2025, 10:04 pm • 0 0 • view
For Elon?
aug 25, 2025, 11:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Ok Tesla and Musk committed fraud. Got it.
aug 25, 2025, 10:08 pm • 4 0 • view
They state in plain language on their website when you opt in for it that it's currently a beta, is still in development, and may not ever leave beta testing.
aug 25, 2025, 10:25 pm • 0 0 • view
That's not what Elon has been saying in public and in investor calls and the beta doesnt produce full self driving either and cant so its still a lie.
aug 25, 2025, 10:28 pm • 7 0 • view
Public "marketing" statements rarely meet the legal threshold of being a binding statement. Try again. I'm all for bashing Tesla, but if we don't stick to true and verifiable facts, then we're just as bad as the MAGA dipshits.
aug 25, 2025, 11:17 pm • 0 0 • view
Its a fact Tesla claimed its cars possess full self-driving capability and marketed that to customers and none of Teslas products have full self-driving capabilities.
aug 25, 2025, 11:22 pm • 0 0 • view
And on their website when you select the option to add it, it gives you a disclaimer in plain language that the technology is not yet "complete", and IF/when it is, your vehicle will receive it as an OTA update (or you can opt into the beta and have access to it as-is now).
aug 25, 2025, 11:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Ok so they have admitted on their website Musk and much of their marketing and sales materals lie about their products FSD capabilities.
aug 25, 2025, 11:54 pm • 1 0 • view
In marketing, they can say whatever they want. As long as the facts are made clear before the purchase is completed. Just like how Trump was allowed to file 60+ lawsuits about 2020, but when it came time for his legal team to stand in front of a judge, they didn't have a damn thing to say.
aug 25, 2025, 11:57 pm • 0 0 • view
That is 100% false, which is exactly why the class action lawsuit against Tesla was cleared. A class action lawsuit is a different animal than one person filing SLAPP suits.
aug 26, 2025, 2:48 am • 0 0 • view
Tesla won't get their act together because Elmo thinks he knows better (typical hubris) and is trying to cheap out with camera 'technology' rather than lidar. Ever notice all the extra equipment on a Waymo?
aug 25, 2025, 10:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Still fraud
aug 25, 2025, 10:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Just because there are competitors doing it doesn’t mean Tesla’s success is guaranteed. Elon removed lidar from Teslas years ago, and there’s no way in hell they’re going to catch up to Waymo with cameras alone. It’s always been vaporware coming “later this year.” That’s the obvious bullshit here.
aug 25, 2025, 10:16 pm • 1 0 • view
The problem is Tesla has doubled (tripled? quadrupled?) down on cameras only. Everybody else (I think there’s one other exception), agrees LiDAR etc. are necessary for self-driving. Tesla has to reboot its approach to be competitive.
aug 25, 2025, 10:13 pm • 4 0 • view
Cameras for self-driving is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived. But he was trying to save money at the expense of driver safety.
aug 25, 2025, 10:15 pm • 4 0 • view
Squinting at the argument, the rationalization was humans drive with just vision (with variance in how well they do it, ofc), I understand how we reasonably ended up here. I think the mistake was not understanding the approach was insufficient with existing vision technology.
aug 27, 2025, 12:10 am • 0 0 • view
You are absolutely correct
aug 25, 2025, 10:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Did Theranos kill anyone? (Really asking, I might not know the whole story.) Because "full self-driving" definitely did.
aug 26, 2025, 1:09 pm • 1 0 • view
Tesla Fakedrive has a higher body count than Theranos. At least so far.
aug 26, 2025, 1:02 am • 1 0 • view
Except that we surely won’t be seeing Musk go to prison…
aug 26, 2025, 3:26 am • 0 0 • view
And somehow he’s going to populate Mars in a few short years - sure dude sure
aug 25, 2025, 10:55 pm • 3 0 • view
He can't get one Starship to orbit, let alone 10 tanker versions to refuel a Mars bound ship.
aug 26, 2025, 4:14 am • 0 0 • view
Both monstrous considering they put lives at risk
aug 26, 2025, 12:04 am • 1 0 • view
I'm going to assume that's real fraud because Elon Musk is a grifter and a Nazi piece of shit, but I don't get the reference.
aug 26, 2025, 3:07 am • 0 0 • view
elizabeth holmes told investors she invented a box that would do a full blood test with one drop of blood. the boxes didn't work, she programmed them to stall out "thinking" and they used the time to run actual blood to actual clinics and presented those as faked theranos results. she's in jail now
aug 26, 2025, 5:34 am • 2 0 • view
So are most political leaders in the violent political party.
aug 26, 2025, 7:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Not to mention Tesla's continue to run over motorcycles in HOV lanes.
aug 26, 2025, 2:57 am • 2 0 • view
Only Waymo has "full self-driving" and they are much more realistic about it's limitations precisely because they're actually trying to do it, rather than just pulling a marketing ploy.
aug 26, 2025, 12:29 am • 14 0 • view
Facts!
aug 26, 2025, 12:33 am • 4 0 • view
Hasn't Waymo killed a bunch of pedestrians already?
aug 26, 2025, 2:23 am • 0 0 • view
Self-driving cars will always do that, which is why they need to be wholly opposed.
aug 26, 2025, 2:30 am • 0 0 • view
Meanwhile humans are getting run over all the time by people and no one bats an eye.
aug 26, 2025, 3:37 am • 4 0 • view
Personally, I think the greatest benefit of self-driving cars is that - without a sympathetic human driver behind the wheel - people will be much more willing to punish a corporation for actually breaking traffic rules and hurting others.
aug 26, 2025, 3:40 am • 14 1 • view
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aug 26, 2025, 4:19 am • 1 0 • view
Precisely. Waymo cars that aren't hurting anyone draw this much ire while human drivers in LA kill over 300 people a year and you can't even get speed limits reduced.
aug 26, 2025, 4:24 am • 3 0 • view
I am that annoying driver (when I drive) that goes slightly under the speed limit so that our city traffic engineer can lower our speed limits (under CA law and car-brained elected officials that can fire him). It shouldn't be this hard to lower speed limits
aug 26, 2025, 4:28 am • 2 0 • view
No one has ever been killed by a Waymo. They are, in-fact, demonstrably safer drivers than humans.
aug 26, 2025, 3:27 am • 2 0 • view
You cant say that, yet. Humans can and do drive *anywhere* and in any weather or any terrain damn near anywhere on Earth. Waymo cant and hasn't so we dont have enough information to make that claim yet.
aug 26, 2025, 3:37 am • 0 0 • view
Fair point. They're safer than humans in certain situations, and less safe in others.
aug 26, 2025, 3:38 am • 1 0 • view
Agreed.
aug 26, 2025, 3:40 am • 1 0 • view
It has killed zero pedestrians
aug 26, 2025, 3:47 am • 2 0 • view
It hasn't. There was one fatality involving a Waymo that stopped when it was hit by human driven car going way too fast. But Waymo was pretty clearly not at fault. www.nbcbayarea.com/investigatio...
aug 26, 2025, 2:28 am • 6 0 • view
Oh, there was a lady hit by an Uber self driving car. Maybe that's the one you're thinking of. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o...
aug 26, 2025, 2:30 am • 5 0 • view
A Cruise hit a lady and dragged her about 100 feet. Thats what ultimately got their license to operate pull. But anyone living in SF from 2019-2023 could tell you Waymo was much safer.
aug 26, 2025, 5:04 am • 2 0 • view
But that is still wrong because the only appropriate way to employ self driving cars is not to, ever, under any circumstances.
aug 26, 2025, 2:24 am • 0 0 • view
That's obviously not true. Humans are horrible drivers and once computers can do a better job, every human driver it replaces is a boon for pedestrians, cyclists and everyone else using the road.
aug 26, 2025, 2:31 am • 1 0 • view
I bike in SF all the time. I'm honestly much more comfortable around a Waymo than a human driver.
aug 26, 2025, 2:32 am • 1 0 • view
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aug 26, 2025, 4:02 pm • 0 0 • view
How? His cars have self driving?
aug 25, 2025, 11:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Her machines ran a handful of tests. His cars claim full autonomy but require human supervision. Same scam
aug 25, 2025, 11:24 pm • 2 0 • view
How? Explain why self-driving, which we can observe to be a workable feature in teslas, is a scam
aug 25, 2025, 11:26 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s called full self driving and it’s not fully self driven.
aug 25, 2025, 11:28 pm • 3 0 • view
yeah, cause we aren't there yet technologically.
aug 25, 2025, 11:29 pm • 0 0 • view
Waymo seems to be there
aug 25, 2025, 11:32 pm • 1 0 • view
Ok so Musk claiming Tesla has that capability *now* or in the past is fraud. Agreed 🤝
aug 25, 2025, 11:35 pm • 3 0 • view
They dont have self-driving.
aug 25, 2025, 11:15 pm • 0 0 • view
Self driving is literally one of their features, maybe it's not "fully" self driving but it's self driving nonetheless.
aug 25, 2025, 11:16 pm • 0 0 • view
There's a reason the other carmakers DON'T call it self-driving, because unless it's fully self-driving (autonomous), it's legally not GM- Super Cruise Ford - BlueCruise BMW - Highway Assistant Mercedes - Drive Pilot Volvo - Pilot Assist Hyundai - Highway Driving Assist Nissan - ProPilot Assist ...
aug 25, 2025, 11:34 pm • 2 0 • view
Theranos was funnier because she ripped off the likes of Kissinger. And that's the only thing she got convicted of, not the medical fraud... So #FreeElizabethHolmes I guess...
aug 26, 2025, 2:57 am • 3 0 • view
Can we just jail Elmo Skum too, please? They both deserve it!!
aug 26, 2025, 4:56 am • 0 0 • view
Not quite. I use it daily and rarely intervene.
aug 26, 2025, 2:09 am • 0 0 • view
Funny how its the woman CEO who gets punished*. *Rightfully so, but SO SHOULD THE MALE CEOS COMMITTING FRAUD
aug 26, 2025, 2:51 am • 0 0 • view
It’s a California tradition.
aug 26, 2025, 12:58 am • 1 0 • view
The problem with self driving cars is that they have no survival instincts or incentives. What do they care if they get wrapped around a concrete pillar?
aug 26, 2025, 12:28 am • 0 0 • view
Thats because they are incapable of understanding how the universe works.
aug 26, 2025, 12:30 am • 1 0 • view
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aug 27, 2025, 10:52 pm • 0 0 • view
Bet!
aug 25, 2025, 11:03 pm • 0 0 • view
100%. And yet one of them lost everything and is sitting in prison while the other is the richest person in the world with an ever-growing empire. Funny how life works out.
aug 26, 2025, 12:58 pm • 2 0 • view
Call it what it is. Junk
aug 26, 2025, 1:37 am • 0 0 • view
That was my whole Twitter account. I documented that she lied on the stand multiple times using her own exhibits entered into at trial. She used the fake voice through the entire trial, then admitted it was fake just before prison. Musk is exactly the same but had a bit of luck.
aug 25, 2025, 9:30 pm • 11 0 • view
All of Silicon Valley is fraud now. Just don't buy anything coming out of there.
aug 26, 2025, 2:21 am • 3 0 • view
Note to self: refund my blockchain certification.
aug 26, 2025, 2:56 am • 0 0 • view
Musk chose money (paypal) and, once he saw the opportunity, cars (tesla), items that most could identify with, to run his scams. But yes, they are very similar individuals.
aug 26, 2025, 2:53 pm • 2 0 • view
Almost ready to hear that Tesla's self-driving technology was just a bunch of underpaid Phillipinos with a remote link to the car's camera and an Xbox controller. Except that would probably be much safer.
aug 25, 2025, 10:01 pm • 22 2 • view
🤣🤣🤣 ROTFLMBAO! Sir, you made my night after a crappy day on the first day of school! Thank you!🤣
aug 26, 2025, 4:38 am • 0 0 • view
The clown lies all the time while the media and his fan boys swallow the fibs. He watched The Matrix and started blabbing about living in a simulation. He watched iRobot and promised the lemmings Tesla Robots by June 2025. June 2025 came and went with no comments from the media about his lies.
aug 26, 2025, 12:38 am • 1 0 • view
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